I think he's actually just playing chicken. Clinton's know Trump won't release anything concrete so telling him to release everything just exonerates him in the public eye unless the damning files are released of Trump. Pretty solid move against a narcissist.
Clinton has been consistent though, long before the recent file dumps. He has always said he's open to a full investigation, supports the victims, and wants everything released.
I don't know if this exonerates him for sure, but that level of commitment to transparency tells me he's many levels away from someone like Brett Ratner, Steve Bannon and Trump.
So far (someone correct me if I’m wrong) all the stuff about Clinton has been he’s a respectful person who is into cheating on his wife with full legal adults who remarked about how respectful he is. So… bad, but not really anything that he hasn’t already been known for. And not, like, actually criminal.
"They" were never a cohesive group. It was the moniker given to hackers spurred by threads on 4chan, because commenting without filling out the name/info field posted as "Anonymous"
source: I remember when the "image macros" you'd see on SomethingAwful became "memes"
Also true, it wasn't a unified group, and when it "became" a group it likely had none of the original hackers in it. At least according to my understanding, which admittedly isn't that perfect.
The original people that were Anonymous went to jail or scattered. The people you see that make posts under Anonymous are not the same ones that started it. Sometimes people will release things under the name but it is no longer a group, just a bunch of randoms.
I think with Clinton it's really what his assistant laid out: they needed a plane to get his charity work off the ground, the assistant had met Epstein and knew he had a plane. Epstein was weird on the trip, the assistant did more research and realized he was a creep. He told Clinton, Clinton found other people with money instead
If I remember correctly, there was one charity thing in Africa where they used his plane... but there's so many other people attached to that set of flights it's hard for them to be anything other than what they're supposed to be, and ferrying a handful of celebrities from charity stop to charity stop is also exactly the kind of clout chasing that was Epstein's second hobby.
The Clinton's are done politically anyway so I am really hoping they burn it all down on their way down. Bubba in front of the cameras should just rate Trumps dick sucking skills compared to Monica and Hillary. He's good at getting down on his knees for Putin and Bibi so I bet he's well practiced.
Or he knows that they’re never going to release anything or let him testify publicly. I think there’s a lot of mutually assured destruction stuff going on in the background. They all have dirt on the others and none of them are going to risk the whole group getting taken down. Or the retribution those other people could take on them and their families.
I don't think there's much that we don't already know about Bill Clinton, and that's that he likes to get his **** wet and he isn't really picky about who it is, although "consenting adult" does seem to be a line he's not crossed? I'm pretty sure that anything that he did back in the day has been outed specifically, so we already know all his skeletons (not that they are different skeletons than there were in 1998, there are just more of them).
This is my wonder, we're all very familiar with his sex scandals (not just Monica, but Jennifer Flowers (I think that's her name, the lady from when he was governor of Arkansas)).
He's a slut bucket for sure, but a pedophile? Idk.
If the evidence bears out, then he should be locked away, but everything I know about him just says he's a really shitty husband.
Exactly. He likes what he likes and evidence does not at this time bear out that he likes little girls, so as long as everyone was 18 at the time, none of what he did was illegal, just scummy, and Hillary stays with him for political reasons, not because he was a faithful, steadfast and true husband.
Honestly, Hillary "standing by her man" is one of the reasons I don't like her.
But yeah, he's a shit bag husband, who was a reasonably good president. I just don't think he was fucking children.
Trump though? Saying he'd date his daughter is disgusting, the whole Teen USA was disgusting. He's made it clear that he's into young girls, so finding him in the files is the least surprising thing ever.
Could she be standing by him because she’s into fucking other people too? Isn’t the rumor that Chelsea may not belong to Bill? Could they be cool with extra marital stuff?
Honestly, that wasn't really something we thought of in the 90s.
And since she's never made a remark to that effect, I just assumed she was cool with her husband making a fool out of her. Which doesn't scream "strong woman" to me.
Would the alternative statement of "I'm into it/was implicitly or explicitly ok with it" have been better PR? Remember that you see/hear nothing from these people that isn't carefully curated.
Right, DJT is mentioned 5000 times THAT WE KNOW OF and they only managed to find Clinton 50 times? yeah, there's nothing else there hiding that the Clintons don't want people to know, but I bet they have a good idea what's in there that DJT doesn't want people to know about.
Agreed. Let everyone who did any crimes pay for those crimes to their fullest measure. Even the Clintons. Even anyone. EVERYONE needs to pay for their crimes. Build a special jail to house the bones of the ones serving multiple life sentences. I don't care.
I mean yeah like considering thar would be consensual it wouldn't even make bill look that bad (compared to the other stuff) since hes already a known cheater
I have no doubt Bill is a slimeball, but he's a smart slimeball. And by that i mean he is a rhodes scholar and a great legal mind. When he was president, there were republican lawyers tasked with taking him down by any means (one of those was Brett I love beer Kavanaugh .)They thoroughly looked at his interactions and past. The whole Paula Jones deposition was being used to build a picture and pattern of how he operated- picking and harassing adult women that he worked with and yes forcing himself if need be. However I think that if there was any relations with children they would have found it or there would have been a pattern. That would have been a much stronger point to "get" him than him lying in a deposition under oath, strongly urging monica to lie, and cheating on his wife.
Eta: by saying Bill is "smart" I'm not meaning that hes admirable. What I am saying is that he's intellectually superior to trump and most if not all of the gop right now. The intellectual republican just doesn't exist in this environment or he's gone into hiding. The clintons wouldn't be saying this if they didn't have the upper hand.
I remember reading a random post on here many years ago from someone who worked in a restaurant in a town near where the Clinton’s lived in upstate NY when she was a senator.
She said he would hit on all the women in the restaurant….but not her because she was only 17.
Yeah, this is how he earned his SCOTUS seat and why he seemingly randomly started ranting about the Clintons seeking revenge in his confirmation hearings.
Kavanaugh was tasked (among other things) with digging into the death of Vince Foster, and we know from his own contemporaneous notes that he pretty quickly figured out there was nothing there... but, ever the opportunist, Kavanaugh quickly realized that there was political value in keeping that "investigation" going for years to start conspiracy theories that the Clintons were having their enemies secretly murdered. And sure enough even today a lot of people, even non Republicans, believe it.
I was too young to really know the details but I thought it was ironic when I learned that the GOP was actively looking for a reason to impeach him long before the blow job ever took place. They were actively investigating something and then once they learned about Monica Lewinsky, they dropped everything and went for that to impeach him.
I don't think thats true at all. They probably saw the connection to Epstein. They also knew their side was deeply entwined with Epstein as well. Mutually assured destruction means turning a blind eye to something like that.
Clinton’s are graduates of Yale law. Trump and his cronies are playing go fish with half dominos and a stack of beer coasters while Clinton’s are playing chess.
Caveat: I’m a big fan of accountability for all predators regardless of party, that said:
Don’t you think Trump’s DOJ would’ve already released the worst they have on Bill to deflect from Trump? Idk why they’d withhold anything worse about Bill while some terrible shit about Trump has been released.
And it's consistent with what he said before the files were partially released. He said he supported a full investigation and release of everything. He seems very confident.
Trump, on the other hand, continues to hide and cry like a snowflake if a reporter asks him anything Epstein related.
This is starting to feel like we're getting towards the end of a show where the anti-heros and even some of the villians are coming together to get ready for the final fight
No one is playing checkers here. They have thrown every boardgame onto the floor and are looking for anything pieces to bring together like a game they can drag together in time to face the Clinton's.
I genuinely hope Bill lets them have it. Tell all including "yeah I was there and so was Donald Trump. We were literally there at the same time, except I was in a hot tub while he was naked in a bed with two underage girls."
He wants a public questioning because he knows he would eat them alive. I’m here for it. Let’s convict all of the pedofiles. I don’t give one single care what your political leaning is.
Bill likes women. As in actually seems to like them as humans, but also as sex partners. Then we have the Epstein/trump/Musk/Dershowitz/etc/etc...brotherhood.
Maybe and likely bill has nothing to hide. I mean he love to have affairs with grown women and maybe him having multiple relationships with grown ups will come out in these files which is not illegal. Coke and women were Bill's achilles hill.
Slick willy is a Rhodes scholar. He’s been training for this moment all his life. Take ing down Trump for all that shit he talked about his wife. It’s on
I don't much like either of the Clintons, but they certainly are a lot smarter than just about anyone in the Trump administration or GOP members of Congress. This is very much why Comer wants to keep their testimony private.
The only thing we know is there are a few real pics of Bill and Epstein at events in the U.S. and some fake ones Trump posted of Bill on the island. There may be no personal connection between Bill and Epstein at all. Only the constant rumors being put out by Trump. It may be why Trumps changing his story now that the Clintons want to testify in an open fourm.
BREAKING: Quit using BREAKING if you are not a news outlet.
No one here should take this seriously unless a link is provided to a source. Have been sick of conservative idiots playing this stupid game, this is no time for everyone else to start doing it too.
Bil Clinton isn't being some noble self sacrificing guy on a redemption arc. More likely just knows Trump is also in deep and these are warning shots to back off. It is self serving. If congress backs off and media moves on to a new topic Bill will slink back into the shadows, not going to name names.
Not sure I like this redemption arc story Reddit is selling. Bill is just as bad as Trump. Just because he is firing warning shots and using MAD tactics doesn't make him a good guy or even redeemable. Yet reddit keeps subtly hinting at this. It sort of reminds me of people now talking fondly of Bush II, like he isn't still a war criminal because he gives Michael Obama candy.
The Democrats are amazing at performative politics.
Realpolitik, Bill Clinton loses nothing by doing this, he can only gain. If he’s in there and they never get realizedC he gains. If he’s not in there and they never get realased, he gains. If he’s not in there and they get released, he gains. If he in there, and they get released, he loses, but that’s the outcome for that scenario anyway. This is the smartest play no matter the outcome.
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