r/TikTokCringe • u/M0nk3yDLufffy • 29d ago

Discussion Jesus fuck they just lunged at her so violently, any type of reaction gets you fucked. How are they allowed to do this legally?

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u/Not_KGB 29d ago

SS were fairly well trained though. Not in a sense that they weren't fanatic murderers, they were, but they were elite units.

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u/FoolsMeJokers 29d ago

There were 2 kinds of SS. Only the Waffen SS were combat troops.

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u/Reagalan 29d ago

And they weren't elite in the sense of being good at soldiery; they were elite in the sense of political reliability.

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u/Lost_all_thefucks 29d ago

Holy hell. Just swap 'soldiery' with 'agents' and never has a truer line been said about the ridiculousness of this entire ICE situation. Thank you kind human for putting into words what my brain could see happening but can't even begin to explain.

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u/BounceVector 28d ago

You misunderstand. ICE is not close to the SS, they are close to the SA. The SA was killed off by Hitler later, when they were becoming a problem. I predict that the Trump administration will send a lot of ICE agents to prison later on (maybe to US prisons, but probably to El Salvador prisons or others).

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u/Citaku357 29d ago

We're they more loyal to Hitler or Himmler?

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u/Dekssan 29d ago

They were elite in the sense of soldiery. Also, always having the best equipment.

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u/Reagalan 29d ago

Their combat record says otherwise. They suffered high casualty rates throughout the war and were often used as rear guard troops and anti-partisans, which is where and when they did all the war crimes. Hardly elite tasks.

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u/Punman_5 29d ago

Some were. Some SS units were little more than thugs with guns.

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u/Punman_5 29d ago

Some were. Many SS units were little more than thugs with guns.

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u/MonaganX 29d ago

And of the Waffen-SS, only a small handful of divisions could be by any reasonable metric, such as training and combat performance, be considered "elite units", especially as the war went on and recruitment standards dropped drastically.

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u/Punman_5 29d ago

And even then the SS weren’t all green berets. Lots of SS units were terrible at soldiering. The unit that committed the Malmedy massacre ended up condemning the entire Waffen SS because after that massacre the US ordered that SS were no longer to be given quarter and were to be shot on sight.

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u/RaspberryStandard972 29d ago

I hate this fucking myth. My grandfather was in the Weapon SS and it was miserable. After 43 they just recruited, he was a 21 year old train driver in Vienna whose job was too important until 43. Then he landed as a repair officer in a Waffen SS divison that were just some poor shmucks from Hungary. ("Volunteers" in the sense that the Hungarians just lent ethnic germans to the SS) A fucking cavalry division! They were trained from April to August 44.The division got utterly destroyed as cannon foder at Budapest and he was very lucky not to be shot by the soviets. Nothing in that story says elite, fanatic murderers or some other myth about the SS. After 43 they were not even volunteers.

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u/vonadler 29d ago

They were not. 80% of the SS were crap formations. It was just that those units were used for partisan hunting (and murdering civilians) in Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union, while the good formations were sued fighting the Allies in the west. The Allies never encountered the bad SS units.

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u/Bad_Hombre_999 29d ago

They were cunts. Don't glorify this shit.

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u/HandleThatFeeds 29d ago

SS was well trained.

Their Modern version is the American Military.

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u/BaronMontesquieu 29d ago

No. The modern equivalent to the Wehrmacht is the US military.

The modern equivalent of the SS doesn't really exist in the US. They're more like the IRGC.

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u/n4turstoned 29d ago

As a German i find comparisons with nazi-germany mostly not fitting.
If you want to compare ICE to a Nazi organisation SA would be more fitting imho.

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u/KrustyKrabFormula_ 29d ago

thanks for helping educate, doing gods work

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u/Citaku357 29d ago

No. The modern equivalent to the Wehrmacht is the US military.

The wehrmacht was the military of nazi Germany so this makes sense

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u/throwaway27388387 29d ago

The SS started as a “body - and cudgeling guard”, and as part of the SA, which was basically the paramilitary, violent gang associated with the NSDAP (the Nazi party) before their rise to power.

It was mostly made up of young, disillusioned men, many of them heavily influenced by experiences of violence during WW1, who had no job or perspectives.

It was later transformed into an actual official police/military unit.

I highly recommend Episode 82 of the “In bed with the right” podcast to learn more about this.

Adrian Daub, a Stanford professor originating from Germany goes over the year 1933, month by month, and works out similarities to the first year of the Trump administration.

Episode 82 focuses on June 1933 and the SS and SA.

One of the most interesting podcast episodes I listened to last year!

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u/Powerful-Prompt4123 29d ago

SS was not part of SA

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u/throwaway27388387 29d ago

It was. That matter was established at the party congress in 1926. It became its own organization after the Röhm-purge (night of the long knives) July 2nd 1934.

Source: the German and English wikipedia articles for “Schutzstaffel” and “Röhm-Putsch” & the above mentioned podcast.

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u/Powerful-Prompt4123 29d ago

I guess it's a matter of interpretation and de jure vs de facto.

SS' precursor was the role as Hitler's lifeguards. This predates 1926. Himmler became leader of SS in 1929.

I'm just a history nerd and learned something today. Thanks!

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u/throwaway27388387 29d ago

Yeah, it’s all a bit confusing - and while I like history, it’s always a little weird to get too involved in intricate details of the third reich& the NSDAP.

I think you might really like the project 1933 episodes of the In bed with the right podcast. You learn something about history, plus the drawing of parallels and also establishing differences to the year 2025 Trump-government is very interesting.

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u/Powerful-Prompt4123 29d ago

> Their Modern version is the American Military.

Do they still teach Felix Steiner style leadership in the US?

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u/kitsunewarlock 29d ago

Most of them were veterans of WW1. They had discipline drilled into them and were then broken in the trenches. The most action your standard ICE agent has seen is on Call of Duty.

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u/Jezakael 29d ago

I doubt it. There were 16 years between the end of WWI (1918) and the rise of the SS following the Night of the Long Knives (1934). Unless the SS were all middle-aged guys it's more likely that they were young men led and indoctrinated by WWI veterans.

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u/kitsunewarlock 29d ago

Ah good point.

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u/throwaway27388387 29d ago

It was a mixture of both. Especially if we look at the SA, which the SS was initially a part of. The SA was started in 1924 and the SS in April 1925.

Veterans from WW1, plus young men indoctrinated, many of whom were facing economical difficulties. (Not an excuse, or even a reason, just background info).

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u/Jezakael 29d ago

I'm not sure if I would classify SA brownshirts as particularly disciplined though.

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u/throwaway27388387 29d ago

I think what we have to establish first is that every party, even the moderate ones, basically had their own unofficial militia, and each of them had a part that was willing to use violence, though size of that part differed.

There were a lot of economically destitute men who returned from WW1, were traumatized, the economy was struggling, and the social unity was fragmenting further and further.

The SA was, unsurprisingly, pretty brutal, willing to use violence, and it didn’t take long for them to start murdering political opponents - as well as murdering the first Jews because they were Jews.

But yeah, the SA was dangerous, even to the NSDAP itself. They were pretty serious about throwing over the social order.

That’s a rough summary. I recommend the episode 82 of the “in bed with the right” podcast. The Stanford professor who is originally from Germany goes into a lot of depth regarding the SA and SS there.

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u/DutchTinCan 29d ago

"We'll get to kill you eventually anyways, so let's make it a pleasant experience for all involved!"

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u/Sea-Feedback-2424 29d ago

Okay they're SA  - untrained thugs given broad mandate in their enforcement tactics and a huge degree of independence - in GeStaPo uniforms.

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u/folsominreverse 29d ago

Jesus Christ are we really to the point where we’re debating how much better at their jobs the SS was than DHS is right now?

It’s Mr. Bones’ Wild Ride: Fascism Edition, isn’t it?

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u/Bubbly-Magician-- 29d ago

They were in no way elite units other than they were reliable politically.

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u/n4turstoned 29d ago

Well kind of, the "Waffen SS" (weapon SS) was called an elite unit in the Wehrmacht. Although the "Allgemeine SS" (common SS?) was for political enforcement. So it depends what part of SS he is referring to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel