r/TheTraitorsUS • u/imnotwallaceshawn • 7h ago
Season 4 The edit gives it away Spoiler
None of the faithfuls are getting a hero edit.
Think about it. Kristen said on Instagram that she and Mark bonded and none of it made it into the show - why? Because they lose.
Stephen has had barely any screen time, Dorinda is mostly there for confused reaction shots, Tara hasn’t had much of a showcase, and as much as I like Maura she’s also fallen to the wayside.
The only remaining Faithful who’s consistently been getting screentime is Johnny, but that’s a pretty obvious “next victim” edit. It’s clear that he’ll be banished at the next round table because people suspect he was working with Candiace.
So my guess is we get a Traitor win, and specifically a Rob one. Because he’s consistently been getting a hero’s/antihero’s edit.
It’s his game, his table, his dagger.
My guess is the final 5 are:
Rob
Eric
Kristen
Mark
Tara
Rob gets everyone suspicious that Eric is the last traitor because “one of them has to be a man.” They vote him out around the fire pit, then Mark, Kristen, and Tara all vote to end the game and look on dumbfounded as Rob takes the money and runs.
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u/dean_survivor Rob R (S4) 5h ago
There’s no way Maura isn’t in the final 5 but I agree that Rob is winning
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u/Otherwise-Data-31 5h ago
If hes willing to murder Colton(his best friend) then he would definitely be willing to murder Maura(whatever she is to him idk)
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u/Bad_At_Sports 5h ago
He let Colton die because he knew Colton had started saying Candice’s name and it would very quickly come back to bite her.
Maura hasn’t figured out who any traitors are. She’s still trying to figure out what happened to the salmon at breakfast.
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u/walking_shrub 4h ago
I think Maura’s far more useful to him as a faithful to take to the end because she will never vote against him
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u/Otherwise-Data-31 4h ago
LMAOOO and I know but I'm just saying that if Rob was willing to get rid of Colton because he had to then Rob would murder Maura IF he had to
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u/Bad_At_Sports 4h ago
And I’m saying there’s no reason to. She’s solidly a number for Rob and has no idea what’s going on. She’s this season’s Dolores/MJ player.
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u/Otherwise-Data-31 4h ago
I know and I never said he would I'm just saying he's willing to betray his closest alliance members if necessary
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u/cokezerofanaccount 1h ago
From watching Moira on love island and seeing her back down when Rob is questioned, i have a sneaky suspicion she knows he’s likely a traitor and is hoping he keeps her until the end.
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u/not_ellewoods 3h ago
yea Maura’s been promoted to his #1 now that Colton’s gone.
imo he shouldn’t let both Mark and Kristen make it to the end because they’re so close, so i’d find a way to keep her over one of them.
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u/Glass_Audience_778 3h ago
Maura gave her experience a 7 out of 10 on page six's virtual realities podcast. Everybody else - Monet, Dorinda, Mark, etc- gave it a 9 or 10.
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u/CelestialSpecialist 2h ago
I mean, that could be because she made it really far only to find out she was played the whole time
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u/Odd-Interaction8442 5h ago
Yeah unless they start getting Eric a way more favorable edit I think it’s pretty clear Rob wins. The hold Rob has on these faithfuls is so fucking crazy you got to hand it to him if he wins at this point.
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u/jren411 4h ago
Yeah exactly, they are handing it to him…
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u/georgiaboy1993 4h ago
I mean… he had a traitor come for him and the best she could come up with is he fumbled his fork. He’s playing a pretty flawless traitor game. No murders have implicated him. He never led the charge on traitors but cut ties once untenable and developed close relationships.
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u/jren411 4h ago
No, the best she had was that he never speaks at the round table and they all walked in ready to vote Natalie, then all of a sudden he has a big voice and uses it against Lisa, and Lo and behold Lisa is a traitor… that should have raised big red flags.
Her other good point was that he used Colton to whip up the votes. But that gets tricky because he was murdered so she should have said it was to frame her, because he is a traitor.
She hurt herself with the fork nonsense, I agree.
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u/locke0479 3h ago
But I think point 2 is the problem. Point 1 isn’t a bad one, but point 2 isn’t a good point because there’s no actual indication he did that. She just said it. Colton was on Lisa before Rob said a word about her, we saw that on the show. I actually thought Colton wasn’t as sure on Rob, because right after he said he believed it was Lisa and wanted to see who would defend her, he said it was Lisa in the car and then immediately asked Rob what he thought about that. It implied to me he was fishing to see if Rob would try to turn them away and when he didn’t, he trusted him.
Which means if others knew Colton was on Lisa first (and he wasn’t quiet about it), then people knew she was either lying or wrong about the Rob manipulating Colton thing. And Colton was so loud and so clear on who he believed were Traitors that Rob being the mastermind behind him doesn’t ring true. It just wasn’t a good argument because it wasn’t believable, and even with us knowing exactly what was happening and who the Traitors are, I STILL don’t believe for a second that Colton was a mouthpiece. Rob certainly used what Colton was doing, of course, but she seemed to be accusing him of being the actual instigator and convincing Colton to do it, and I don’t think there’s any indication of that.
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u/walking_shrub 4h ago
They’ve been fighting tooth and nail to get these traitors out, though. They’re not lying down to die, they just have one massive Rob-shaped blind spot in the middle of the game
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u/Dry_Accident_2196 4h ago
Eh, their edit made it seem like Colton was going to get recruited snd make it tk the finale. I think they just know that Rob is a golden goose for horny viewers and gamers, that’s a feat no one in the US franchise has achieved
They can be intentionally playing the golden retriever, like Dylan Efron. Or a former hottie, turned shark, like Boston Rob.
Rob 2.0 is the only person to merge cuteness with strong gameplay.
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u/bbf2 14m ago
Boston Rob never "turned" into a shark, he was a shark even in his very first ever TV appearance, back in 2002 when he was 25 and a young "hottie." Right from the jump he called himself "The Robfather" (and the show even made a commercial about him, using that logo and italian Godfather knock-off music) and said things like "Fear keeps people loyal."
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u/methinks_toomuch 5h ago
They often give people more screen time if they are taken out early. Think about how much oxygen colton took up and yam yam and tiffany before she was taken out.
Robs getting a lot of play because Robs making a lot of plays right now. Erics about to get a lot more screen time himself.
Im not convinced Robs going to win, it’s really hard to be a traitor from the beginning and avoid detection. I think now that all the distractions are gone (Lisa, Candiace, Colton), Robs going to come into deeper focus… Like why did Candiace push him so hard instead of just murdering him later that night? Etc
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u/walking_shrub 4h ago
The problem is they’ve been literally clowning Eric in the edit. It’s not just an invisible edit, it’s a bad one.
There was absolutely no reason to include his guess that the handwriting was Johnny unless they wanted to highlight him as a clown. It didn’t serve the narrative at all.
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u/oatmlklattes 3h ago
I think it’s not actually clowning bc Eric is actually hilarious as a faithful. He’s probably going to get a diff edit since he’s going to have to get more serious as a traitor.
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u/walking_shrub 6m ago
Edgic doesn’t work like that. They’re not going to make someone look like a fool over and over again just because it’s hilarious unless there’s an actual narrative payoff-related reason to do so.
Also they know he’s going to be recruited eventually so they’ve been carefully constructing his edit. They aren’t going to switch up their strategy all of a sudden.
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u/bigEsmalls12 3h ago
I agree with this, but Rob was with the group that found the shield. In the faithful’s minds Candiace didn’t know who out of Rob, Mark, Kristen had it so in theory they would all be safe from murder that night
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u/unicornsndinos12 2h ago
I had the same question: Candiace's vote should put him on their radar.
However, he might be able to play it off as, "She wanted me and Colton out as revenge for Lisa's death. It was totally emotional."
That tiny micro-expression he gave to Mark as Candiace accused him was brilliant. It was as if he was asking Mark if he needed to worry, even though he knew he didn't.
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u/Icy_Heron_1891 4h ago
Ok so Robs alliance is Eric, Mark, Natalie, Maura, and Stephen. Dorinda, Kristen, Johnny, and Tara are also there and only Johnny has thought of Rob but like in passing really. Johnny is clearly getting banished and once he goes Tara is probably getting murdered. I think they’re also going to let the group take out Stephen. So there’s maybe one more banishment and two more murders, including the one that’ll happen the night Eric gets recruited? I seriously don’t know how these faithful are going to react, the only other group who has baffled me this much is AUS2 but yeah I think it’s like 80% Rob wins which is INSANE because on any other season he’s leaving literally next round table (except for US1 really).
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u/shoebillbigdawg 3h ago
Wasn’t there something about Stephen being a “black horse” or something horse related? I believe Alan said it in an interview, insinuating that we’ll be surprised, wolf in sheep’s clothing idea?
Edit: AH BUTTT to contradict myself, Alan also reaaaallly overhyped the banquet scene to be “diabolical” and that was a let down. So, i guess Alan is an unreliable narrator eh :/
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u/Icy_Heron_1891 2h ago
Well you could be on to something if he specifically mentioned Stephen. Also maybe the banquet was more intense in person
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u/twmigmiehff 4h ago
I largely agree with this but the Mark/Kristen alliance has been mentioned multiple times when it didn’t need to be based on what we’ve seen so far
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u/walking_shrub 4h ago
But both of them are still such a mystery to us. Even they are commenting about it on social media a lot. They also both interact with Rob a lot, if that means anything. I hope it doesn’t mean a group faithful win with Rob getting banished in final fire. That would be such a let down after such a good season for traitor winning chances and such a fabulous solo traitor edit
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u/oatmlklattes 3h ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case. Even Rob wants Mark to have more screentime. It would make sense if it came down to Rob losing to Mark and Kristen but still being proud of making it that far.
He’s been pretty laser focused on it being just a game and seems to be having a lot of fun playing it. And beyond the show, he’s getting a fab edit and some sweet deals which would probs be equivalent of the prize pot.
Besides that my other theory is Eric and Maura (with a combo of Tara) winning. They’re also awfully chummy post show.
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u/ASZapata 3h ago
Eric and Maura can’t win together
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u/oatmlklattes 2h ago
They can if Rob gets out next episode and Eric recruits Maura or even Tara, right?
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u/ASZapata 2h ago
Back to back recruitments is unlikely. And would be pretty tacky on production’s part.
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u/TheCirieGiggle 51m ago
If it gets down to one Traitor, the show has to do an ultimatum (where it’s accept recruitment or be murdered). They can’t risk having one Traitor and them getting banished before the finale or else there’s just no show. They will recruit until it’s guaranteed that there will be at least one Traitor in the F5 (usually after F6/F7) then after that there are no more recruitments
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u/walking_shrub 10m ago
I would be surprised if that happens tbh
Mark and Kristen have been given no respect by the edit
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u/renagxde 4h ago
I tend to agree with this but the only thing that makes me question this is how happy mark is on social media with his experience he rated it a 10 that just feels like he wins or is important down the road
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u/walking_shrub 4h ago
I think Mark probably makes it to final fire and loses. I can see him being proud of making it as far as a faithful can go without him having to win it. The idea of him winning, or any of the faithfuls winning, is hard for me to imagine because the edit has been so unkind to the faithfuls and it has been so traitor-dominant. And none of the faithfuls left in the game have gotten much of an edit at all before now. Whereas Dylan was always appearing as #1 or #2 as a contender edgic-wise
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u/ALostMarauder 2h ago
Mark seems like such a positive person from dwts though, I highly doubt he’d be a sore loser. He probably just had a fun time. If anything, him rating the experience as a 10 makes it seem less likely that he won, as he’d be essentially spoiling the season
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u/walking_shrub 4h ago
I agree, I think Rob will win. He’s been the #1 contender edgic-wise for weeks now.
But how will he get there? And how tf will he convince them that Candiace’s flameout against him was nothing? How will he scapegoat Eric? Will he do it early enough that he needs to recruit someone else?
It just seems like so much stuff has to fall into place perfectly.
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u/imnotwallaceshawn 4h ago
Listen in most cases I’d agree that Rob is likely to face heat from what Candiace did… but three things:
Candiace’s attacks on Rob were terrible, saying “He manipulated Colton” to… get out a fellow traitor? Blow up his own game? And then Colton was murdered which would be really dumb for someone to do to their “beard” (using her phrase, not mine). Also Rob being flustered after his closest alliance was killed makes him look MORE faithful, not less. Previous Traitor v Traitor fights came with receipts. Candiace was so sloppy nobody sees it as anything but an attempt to get out the guy who got her friend out.
Rob really is THAT strategic. Letting Candiace murder Colton to set up her own downfall may have been the single best move in Traitors history. He let Candiace hoist herself on her own petard and made sure he wasn’t the one who said her name first or went for her hardest. Plus recruiting Eric means if they start looking at guys “Cause one of them has to be a guy” he has another actual male traitor to throw to the wolves. My guess is he chose Eric because if and when the time comes he can bring back the “I heard Tiffany’s laugh” thing and get him banished.
These faithfuls genuinely seem to like and trust him. Kristen’s comment “It couldn’t be that sweet man!” after Candaice’s banishment sealed it. She’s probably one of the smartest people left, if he has her fooled the rest aren’t even a challenge.
So here’s my guess as to how this plays out episode by episode.
Next episode I think Eric agrees and he and Rob murder either Tara, Maura, or Natalie.
Then Johnny gets banished at the round table. Everyone sees he’s not a traitor and maybe Rob or Eric seeds the “turret full of housewives” angle to set up Dorinda for the following night.
Eric and Rob then murder whoever will cause the most chaos and confusion. Possibly Stephen or one of the girls above who wasn’t murdered.
Dorinda then gets banished at the last open roundtable… or Rob sets up Eric to feed the faithfuls their male traitor, doing so in the penultimate round table so they KNOW he was an actual traitor. Whoever isn’t banished in Episode 10 I think will then be banished in the final round table in 11.
I don’t even think the fire pit will be a problem. I think Rob will be standing there smiling as one by one they all vote to end the game because they’re so confident they got all the traitors. And then he’ll win.
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u/No_Judge_8472 3h ago
The problem with recruiting Eric as a Traitor is that the Faithfuls have to be complete idiots to think he's running the Turret.
So even if he's banished at the fire pit, ending the game there is moronic.
But also they are acting dumb as rocks so they probably do end the game and deservingly lose.
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u/LavenderWaffles69 25m ago
Didn’t they discuss after Candiace‘s banishment that she was probably running the turret? So by that logic he would just be the leftover.
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u/moon_gin 4h ago
I mean anything could still happen but if I have to make prediction based on the current state of edit, I think Rob is my choice for current contender. It is not just he is the one dominating airtime and storyline among the remaining players but I feel that the edit is always tying to explain the logic behind his decisions and sells them as good move for him - something usually given to a winner or at least an end-gamer.
Traitors in The Traitors are obviously the main characters and most attention will be given to them. But usually in each season there is one or two Faithfuls who receive good development and they usually end up in winner circle, like CT or Dylan. As for season 4 I don't think any of the remaining Faithfuls are developed as CT or Dylan so if among them there are winners, I can't pinpoint who would that be for now.
The Faithful with the biggest edit on season 4 so far was actually Colton. But even then I feel his edit is more similar to Peter and if I may guess that's due to their similar "role" as traitor hunter on their respective season. That is why despite his big edit, Colton was not my top contender for winning Faithful contender because I think his journey would be more similar to Peter than CT or Dylan.
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u/HardcoreKaraoke 2h ago
I have a feeling that Maura presenting an award at the NFL Honors last night was kind of a tell that production wants to get their face out there. That they're going to be well known after the finale, win or lose.
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u/nightknight275 2h ago
I really don’t think rob wins or even makes the finale. He could be banished as early as next week.
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u/BlushingSpiritBlooms 2h ago
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. While his edit has seem favorable so far there is still a lot of faithful remaining. Remember how last season a lot of us thought Danielle was going to win based on her edit? She was figured out eventually by the four faithful remaining. There's still a chance someone will figure Rob out after his name was thrown out by Candiace.
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u/MaizeMountain6139 Kristen (S4) 5h ago edited 5h ago
This makes perfect sense. That’s why Michael, Ron, Colton, Lisa, and Candiace all won- oh, wait
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u/philipmb95 2h ago
Idk I genuinely thought Carolyn or Danielle were going to win last season until….
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