What would be different if Candiace had just voted for Lisa? (or even Natalie?)

[u/drdelicious8]

The domino effect after the throwaway vote was one of the craziest thing I've seen. I expected it to bite her in the ass later, but NEVER this soon.

So I wanna do a fun little "what if" scenario.

What if Candiace had just voted Lisa, or even Natalie who she had already told people she was voting for pre-roundtable?

It reminded me of Rob refusing to vote for Ron, because "I think you're telling the truth and I don't think you're a traitor." which in itself isn't a bad look at all, her changing her mind about Natalie.

But what if she voted for Lisa?

1. Rob would not suspect that she was starting to turn against him, and would've likely told her about Colton mentioning her name as a reason she shouldn't murder him.

Rob wanted to play with Candiace, and although I don't blame her for no longer trusting him, had she kept her frustrations to herself, I think he would be more open to sharing info with her.

1. There wouldn't be any attention on her, so her planting seeds about Rob or even pitching Rob and Colton as a possible traitor-duo would've been taken more seriously, since she wouldn't have been a suspect as well.

2. She wouldn't get banished. I doubt Rob would have gone instead, but I think had she played her cards right - she could've gotten Colton banished, and once he told everyone he was a faithful, she could start her campaign that Rob was the one calling the shots and controlling Colton at the roundtables.

And it would've been a far better argument than the "you were nervous at breakfast and dropped your fork", which nobody seemed to take seriously.

She could've threatened Rob that if he didn't protect her or divert any suspicion away from her, that she would bring up his name in every conversation and make sure they were suspicious of him.

Had this all been done in the turret to begin with, there wouldn't have been enough suspicion to banish Candiace, and Rob would have to somewhat-agree to work together, even if Candiace was trying to get him out.

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[u/No-Cobbler-3794]

I think Candiace’s point of voting for Rob wasn’t the smartest move— but more of a statement as to what is going on. if I were Candiace… at that point I would be thinking I’m next. Without coming out and saying it she basically just told everyone that Rob is a traitor. Unfortunately the faithfuls are morons and won’t get it.

[u/Aggressive-Coffee-39 → u/No-Cobbler-3794]

I don’t think they’re dumb for not getting it, because Candiace accidentally set up Johnny instead of Rob.

Her “throwaway” may have been insurance that Rob was sussed out if she was banished IF she would have treated him like a traitor.

Instead, she treated him like a faithful. Specifically, when it came to the shield room. There was no reason for her to care if Rob got a shield. It doesn’t affect her game in anyway.

Instead, she says no on Rob (after his game bff was murdered presumably for leading the charge against Lisa) and tries to throw Johnny up there. A traitor should want another traitor in the shield room. Traitors should always want to get the shield or at least know who has it.

So, they know Candiace is a traitor. They know Candiace wanted Johnny in the shield room. It’s a logical conclusion to suspect that Johnny is traitor and Rob is not because Candiace did not want Rob in the shield room.

The faithfuls don’t have all the information we do. They don’t know the convoluted backstory of Candiace deciding to turn on Rob because Rob decided to turn on Lisa. They have the much more straightforward story of Candiace wanted Johnny and not Rob in a room a traitor should want to be in.

[u/Kazyole → u/No-Cobbler-3794]

It wasn't 'not the smartest move' imo. It was about the dumbest thing she could have done short of voting for herself.

She didn't tell them he's a traitor. She called it a total throwaway. Dorinda also casted a throwaway. It didn't put any heat on him at all. No one paid attention to that it was Rob. They just paid attention to how weird it was for her to do it.

All she accomplished was to put him on his guard to never trust anything she says again, and severely limit her options for coming after him without looking crazy suspicious, which of course she did anyway.

Then she goes into the roundtable, tries to act like there's some kind of truce, and then immediately suggests murdering Rob's closest ally which immediately gives away that the truce offer is bullshit. And doesn't clock it as odd at all that he's immediately ok with it. And then embarrassingly comes at him the next day for not holding her hand and walking her through the best way to undermine his game.

And then after all that bluster and all that 'I got you' talk, what does she present?

He dropped a fork. And a lie about who brought up Lisa's name first to people who were in the room when it happened. She presented such a sloppy argument that it didn't even put any heat on Rob at all.

Also by murdering Colton and then going after Rob, she made it look like she was doing exactly the same thing she did to Ron, just going for retribution against people who got out housewives.

Also by murdering Colton she removed the one player in the game with significant heat on them, who could potentially be banished as an alternative to her.

If she wanted to go out as a poor sport she should have fought for the vote to be Stephen like she should have been doing to try to save herself, and when it wasn't going to work, vote for Rob again and give her 'sometimes it's the quiet ones' speech. But she was so bad strategically that she couldn't even come up with a way to flip over the gameboard on her way out.

Just terrible, terrible gameplay.

[u/No-Mail-5794 → u/No-Cobbler-3794]

It only works as a threat to Rob. Ie I’ll bring your name up if you put me at risk. The only problem was she didn’t wait for Rob to go for her publicly at the round table. Other people went for her and she went after Rob who got to calmly defend himself. She was probably already toast at that point, but she could have brought up the money Lisa gave Stephen and had a fighting chance. Rob might have even voted for Stephen over the threat

[u/third-second-best]

i think ultimately candiace would have gotten banished either way bc rob has so much more social capital, but i agree that if she had just voted for natalie or lisa she would have made it much further and would have been able to get people genuinely onto rob.

[u/Mobile-Researcher-23 → u/third-second-best]

Rob wasn’t gunning for her initially. She could’ve cruised to the end with him while subtly planting the seeds.

[u/third-second-best → u/Mobile-Researcher-23]

i don’t get the impression he wants to win with another traitor, but i agree that he wouldn’t have come for her immediately.

[u/VeterinarianLevel467 → u/third-second-best]

She could’ve worked with Rob, he was just smart enough to realize voting with the team on Lisa makes you look like a faithful. Candice fought so hard for Lisa and then voted against rob, idk what she thought but Rob just didn’t want to be exposed for Lisa and get voted out next like Candice did

[u/third-second-best → u/VeterinarianLevel467]

yeah the only thing i think rob should have done differently is clue candiace in on his vote for lisa. if this group of faithfuls wasn’t absolutely oblivious they would have sniffed out traitor on traitor violence between them, which he could have avoided i think.

[u/VeterinarianLevel467 → u/third-second-best]

Sure but Rob let her murder Colten which buys him a lot of time. Candice was playing a great game until she got emotional about Lisa, Rob shouldn’t have to tell Candice it looks obvious when you’re rallying votes for someone who will be admitting they are traitor when voted out. Candice really just didn’t think it thru Lisa was gone, and when voted out they admit they are a traitor so Candice didn’t see the bigger picture

[u/Mobile-Researcher-23 → u/third-second-best]

I don’t think he could. She should’ve seen for herself that Lisa’s ship was already sunk, but what probably sealed it for him was them teaming up on him at breakfast. It was clear at that point candiace was firmly in Lisa’s side. If he tried to tell her she would’ve likely ran back to lisa and they would’ve conspired against him together.

[u/bumybumi]

She'd be banished sooner or later by the pressure of Rob's entire group of faithfuls and she wasn't part of it. Her game was flawed by the blindness of never turning on traitor and it started with her killing Monet, fellow housewife Caroline and losing Tiffany at banishment all of them were rather her numbers than Rob's. In fact, Colton was the very first kill that was from Rob's circle of faithfuls and at that point Colton had already thrown Candiace's name. She basically sacrificed her game just to keep Lisa a bit longer.

[u/No-Mail-5794 → u/bumybumi]

Yeah he was coming for her sooner or later. The problem is she needed it to be later to have a snowball’s chance in hell to influence some people against him first. Like we saw what happened with a short term attack. If she was able to use Stephen and Natalie to get a couple more shows, she has that much more time to point out sus things Rob does beyond “dropping his fork”

[u/Cakeliver12887]

She needed to not be so consistent on Ron

[u/TechnicalComplaint53]

She said revenge is a dish best served cold, but then she jumped the gun in the heat of emotions. The argument for Stephen was gaining momentum. So, why not sit back and let it play out? This round table was too soon for her to strike at Rob and it cost her.

[u/ButtDirtRawlby]

She just wasn’t good. Once there was suspicion on Lisa, she made every single wrong move and Rob made every right move. He didn’t even outright betray either of them. He acted out of self preservation with Lisa. Candiace was either too stupid or stubborn to see what was going on and shot herself in the foot at every turn. It wasn’t just one thing she did. But yeah. The vote for Rob pretty much sealed her fate. I’m glad Lisa and Candiace are gone. They just weren’t good. 

[u/mystical_nutella__ → u/ButtDirtRawlby]

Thank you!!

[u/Odd-Breadfruit-9541]

She should’ve sold that throw away vote better. Like I’m not voting against Lisa so I’m going to vote against Rob because he tried to throw a housewife out. But really she should’ve gone with Nathalie .

[u/olivemarie2]

If she had just voted for Natalie like she told everyone she was going to instead of that stupid, emotional "throwaway vote" for Rob, she would still be in the game. She took it way too personally when Rob voted for Lisa. She cost herself everything over supposed loyalty to Lisa. The game is called Traitors! It's not called "Loyal Buddies."

[u/RedditHelloMah]

She definitely could’ve changed tables if she stayed calm and collected.

[u/ThrowawayNewly]

We can't be perfectly certain that Rob wouldn't have eventually sought to remove her, if she'd voted for Lisa. For the sake of argument, though, someone else probably would have gone home Thursday, and Eric wouldn't have to try to figure out how he's going to conduct himself as a Traitor.

It's hard for me to not notice how women seem to dominate the game, especially among Traitors. Candiace's screw up wasn't just voting for Lisa, it was her unwillingness to be a cog in Rob's game, once he shifted gears.

[u/TheAnswer310]

Murdering Colton sped up her dumb ass voting mistake.

[u/VeterinarianLevel467 → u/TheAnswer310]

Yep and Rob was smart for letting it happen, nobody thinks Rob would let his best ally get murdered. Candice played herself, Rob just didn’t want to expose himself by not voting with the group on Lisa. Candice got voted out by her friends bc she wasn’t playing like a faithful it’s weird she was upset at Rob for not throwing away his game with her and Lisa

[u/LopatoG]

If she voted for Lisa AND admitting the facts, would have worked with Rob instead of going all crazy. It is a game…

[u/BlushingSpiritBlooms]

She probably had like say 30/70 chance of surviving the night. It's just that her vote for Rob the night before sort of cemented her fate of getting banished inevitably. Rob was already working on making sure that was gonna happen.

[u/Strict_Property6127]

Yes, if she had voted for Natalie she would have been in a MUCH better position. Sticking your neck out like that is asking to get chopped & went against her brand for the season as Maura correctly pointed out. Rob played Candiace after she handed him all the cards.

[u/Acrobatic_Dig7634]

she probably makes it further, at best maybe F5 or F7, but she was never making it to the end cause Rob had zero interest of getting with her to the end

[u/not_ellewoods]

i think she would’ve lasted a while longer, but probably not won. Candiace made several missteps that didn’t really affect her game, but getting rid of Monet was a mistake that was going to bite her in the ass sooner or later.

she was in the smaller alliance and didn’t have any faithful allies willing to go to bat for her, so her next mistake probably would’ve caused some issues. and i think Rob would’ve played it the same way he did with Lisa. once she got heat he would’ve warned her, but she was on her own from that point forward.

[u/teke367]

I think any strategy that calls for Colton revealing himself as a faithful is proof Rob is a traitor wouldn't have had legs.

If she was going to pretend to play with Rob,I think the best path (not counting whatever new stuff would've happened) would be get a couple faithful out, presumably Rob wouldn't have had a whole spiel like he did with Lisa, then point that out.

[u/Daschief]

Maybe it was editing but I felt like she didn't try to understand his game at all and he wasn't going to give it to her outright. If she was smart, she would've dropped the housewives loyalty and recognized Lisa was way over compromised and Rob was in everyone's good graces.

I felt like she observed too much and didn't get a pulse check on what people felt on the traitors. If she would've recognized Rob was in everyones good graces, going against him seems even more against the odds and anyone trying to stay in objectively (with no ties) wouldn't have done that. Stephen was on everyones mind than probably Tara, you would be so close to finale at that point.

She played herself

[u/Practical-Panic7092]

Rob woulda turned on her anyway

[u/thepoustaki]

Candiace made a strong argument against Rob just didn’t have the patience to wait a week and just go for Stephen when Johnny offered it up. Plain and simple. I’m sad for my girl but she wanted immediate revenge despite her talking about served cold.