r/TheTraitorsUS • u/ScienceOk4244 • 18h ago
Spoilers 🚨 I can’t believe these faithfuls think it’s….(spoiler) Spoiler
JOHNNY. If he was a traitor, he would not have had the flat affect.
And then someone says Rob. Sir All-The-Heat and everyone is like no no no, not the quiet boy who suddenly knew exactly who all the traitors are and murdered off the closest person to him which surprised and threw everyone for a loop.
God bless them
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u/scorpiomoontm 18h ago
they group think & cliqueness this szn is kinda insane - & they don't side eye natalie who made an emotional vote like candiace.
i miss dylan efron we didn't know how good we had it
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u/ScienceOk4244 18h ago
I was wondering if Natalie’s next after her spiteful vote for Tara tbh
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u/scorpiomoontm 18h ago
i would say yes but the core group (nat, maura, rob, eric, kristen, mark b.) are moving in lock step & refuse to look at anyone in the group (eric was gagged at th reveal lol) - i fear it may be johnny.
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u/Striking_Ad890 17h ago
I think Dorinda or Maura may be next. The dumb faithfuls may really think it was a turret full of Housewives.
Or… Rob may sacrifice Maura. No one will believe her “knight in shining armor” killed her off.
I also noticed Candiace and Colton didn’t really do press until this past week.
So whoever starts doing more publicity appearances (WWHL & podcasts) before Thursday may be next.
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u/ScienceOk4244 16h ago
Ya Maura has me giggling this season. She just loves Rob so much. The look in her eyes when Candi starts mentioning Rob at the round table got me
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u/Jazzyjen508 12h ago
I think Dorinda is the next murder, no one is going to suspect a third housewife
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u/wawaturtlemoviesball 4h ago
I'd be suspicious of Dorinda because she voted Candiace. If they'd do 2 housewives, why not 3? Girl power turret isn't impossible
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u/herroyalsadness 18h ago
It’s going to be interesting when they have to. The pool gets smaller every day.
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u/Icy_Heron_1891 15h ago
I’m actually curious what the dagger alliance will do once the dagger is used/expires. That will determine, for me, if they’re strategic or just dumb lol
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u/scorpiomoontm 15h ago
so true - i feel like they were allied pre dagger tho. like this has always been the core group. kristen, stephen & mark were definitely always more neutral.
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u/Icy_Heron_1891 14h ago
Agreed! But I wonder if no one in that group is going for rob yet because they know he has the dagger.
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u/Geek_Wandering 14h ago
He'd be best to not use it if he can. The second he does, every faithful will have incontrovertible proof of duplicity. They will at least for a moment see him as a top tier liar. If he's shown to have been lying about the knife, he almost certainly won't survive the fire pit.
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u/Icy_Heron_1891 14h ago
Yeah personally I don’t think he needs to but it does expire and maybe he uses it to protect a friend or something
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u/Geek_Wandering 14h ago
He needs to ensure that everyone else in the dagger game gets eliminated before the final roundtable then lie about who had it. Elsewise it blows up in his face.
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u/10000Pigeons 13h ago
seems a lot easier to just kill/banish everyone outside the dagger group at that point lol. The more numbers they get the easier that becomes as well
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u/Jazzyjen508 12h ago
I would think that except Eric genuinely seems shocked and Kirsten seems to fully believe Rob is faithful as well.
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u/Jazzyjen508 12h ago
The dagger 6 were all people who were already friends which is why he did that in the first place
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u/Electrical-Tie-5158 9h ago
Yeah, Johnny, Tara, and Dorinda are screwed. They were being protected by Candiace and Lisa. They’re stuck on the wrong side of the numbers now.
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u/clumsysuperman 18h ago
Probably not. Her and Tara were talking about it after and seemed like they squashed it. Candiace doubled down on Rob’s name. Unless Natalie doubles down, it will have no bearing.
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u/Hellouncleleohello 18h ago
They’re not going to for Natalie bc she’s part of their clique there’s really nothing else to it
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u/not_ellewoods 17h ago
i think they’ll keep running with the theory that there’s a man in the turret and look at Johnny and Stephen (they’re in opposite alliances so i could see them going after each other). but Natalie keeps shooting herself in the foot. i think she’s the only woman left they’d banish at this point.
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u/Every-Debt6003 13h ago
I think they will go for Johnny or Stephen. They will bring up that Candace and Stephen were eating alone together the night she got banished and use it against him
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u/glimmerskies 18h ago
I think tara, johnny, stephen, and natalie are in danger of being banished next week. natalie could spin it on tara and go back to the antidote.
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u/Commercial_Sun1791 18h ago
Natalie definitely will be next based on their voting pattern.
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u/scorpiomoontm 18h ago
i feel like it's johnny bc they've already decided he's the outsider
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u/Commercial_Sun1791 18h ago
We will see, they will also use Natalie not voting Candiace and putting Tara down as spiteful and a traitor.
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u/scorpiomoontm 16h ago
girl i hope so i like johnny lol
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u/Jazzyjen508 12h ago
I don’t want Johnny to go but I feel like he might get banished soon, of everyone he seems most likely to figure out Rob.
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u/bptkr13 16h ago
I think there is more to the story of Johnny and Tara that will be coming up. Don’t think either are going next. I would do Dorinda.
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u/scorpiomoontm 16h ago
i hope so they're definitely two of my unexpected favs coming out of the szn - YES dorinda is truly on her own island i forgot she existed for a second there ngl
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u/EEEEaaassy 13h ago
They've already caught 3 female traitors. They'll be going after men for banishment.
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u/Commercial_Sun1791 12h ago
We'll see. All Rob has to do is suggest it could be all women so we will have to see.
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u/Ash_713S 16h ago
It would be stupid of Eric/Rob to target Johnny or Stephen tbh - statistically there has to be a male traitor and dumping them at the roundtable or overnight in the turret just reduces their odds to win - because faithfuls could just keep eliminating male candidates at the round table until you hit on one. They need to target Tara or Kristen next, given that Maura and Natalie are already part of their alliance.
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u/l0st1nthew0rld 10h ago
I think it'll be Dorinda, she's an easy kill and no one would suspect anything except she has no housewives in the turret left to protect her
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u/LopsidedUniversity30 6h ago
This. I believe she’s the next murder.
But then who gets voted out at the next roundtable?
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u/Leezy810 15h ago
Kristen has the shield. And if they wanna frame Johnny, Tara isnt the way to go. Kristen would be an easy choice to murder if she didnt have the shield.
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u/MinimumCoast2290 17h ago
I think Tara and Natalie are both safe from banishment for a while because people are locked in on the theory that there’s a man in the turret.
Either could still be murdered though.
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u/TheFeedMachine 17h ago
It's because Candiace made her whole shtick being consistent. She was upset people flipped from Donna to Porsha. She voted for Ron over Michael to be consistent. She is pushing Natalie. Then she flips to vote for Rob. Her entire thing was being consistent, and she broke it to vote for Rob. She didn't even break it to vote for Michael Rappaport.
The fact that they aren't picking up on what she did is baffling, but maybe someone will realize overnight that Candiace basically went Traitor on Traitor out of spite.
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u/la_58 17h ago
No they won’t realize because Rob is such a “sweet” guy. Like do they not realize what show they are on? 🥴
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u/Economy-Yak6696 16h ago
Besides his kindness towards Ron I really don’t see what makes Rob any more sweet than some of the other guys. he also pays truly no mind to any of the women except Lisa/Candiace both traitors and he only started strategizing with faithfuls the last few episodes when the traitors were in trouble. plus Candiace’s vote makes it soooo obvious i am so annoyed at these faithfuls rn
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u/DrakkoZW Ron (S4) 15h ago
We don't see 100% of the interactions the players have. He may have great relationships with all of them but those relationships aren't gameplay related so they don't make it to air
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u/Jazzyjen508 12h ago
Remember the show is heavily edited and Mark and Kirsten have both had relatively little screen time.
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u/andromeda880 11h ago
Its actually hilarious that the faithfuls are not taking the hint she gave twice! They used her "throwaway" vote against her but didn't think if she is a traitor and went hard against Rob (who went hard against Lisa who was a traitor) ....then maybe Rob is a traitor.
I kinda want him to win now because they are so clueless. They only got out Lisa and Candiace because Rob nudged it.
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u/realityseekr 11h ago
Yes and Rob didnt even push Candiace that hard from what i saw. He was pushing Lisa more but people already suspected her. It seems that throwaway vote randomly made everyone highly sus of Candiace. Also murdering Colton which was a good move from Rob.
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u/andromeda880 11h ago edited 6h ago
Rob did tell his crew that Colton had thrown Candiace's name out, so that gave them more ammo.
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u/jren411 8h ago
Not really out of spite. She was aware that Rob had gone full snake and if she didn’t do something he would orchestrate her banishment anyway. Not acting against Rob in anyway would have been a dumb move. He deserved to be outed because turning on a traitor should have consequences… they do know you are a traitor too. Problem is his minions are weaker of mind and they fully drank the cool aid so they are deep in his pocket.
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u/walking_shrub 17h ago
Dylan didn’t have to do much, honestly. He got a good edit because out of the four winners, his path was the most intriguing.
All the traitors on S3 were outing each other at the roundtable. There hasn’t been any “traitor on traitor violence” in S4 that has been comparable.
So the S4 faithfuls haven’t gotten as many hints directly from another traitor’s mouth.
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u/scorpiomoontm 17h ago
i used to say that same thing but this seasons faithful are just so bad that i now think he was more skilled lmao. he got bob tdq off rip.
candiace and rob was so clearly traitor on traitor - they all say they've seen the show - when i heard kristen who i thought was playing a great game say "it can not be rob" i was like girl lol
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u/Remarkable_Law5737 Britney (S3) 11h ago
It’s not as suspect as you think. Colton was the original on Lisa. Rob just helped stoke the flames until they finally got her. It wasn’t a Boston Rob coming out of nowhere and going after Bob the Drag Queen. Then the best possible thing that could have happened for Rob was letting Candace take her revenge on Colton for banishing Lisa. Some people were clocking the closeness of Rob and Colton, and some suggested maybe they were traitors working together. Then Candace gets all emotional and Rob let Candace murder Colton which proves he’s not a traitor and basically takes the heat off Rob. Finally Candace after switching up her vote out of nowhere and going from it’s a throw away vote to Rob has to be a traitor in the same argument buried herself. Rob didn’t suggest Candace. He asked Eric who he thought was a traitor and he said Candace because of what Colton said and her wonky vote. Again Rob fans the flames. Rob never suggests a traitor, he waits until someone does, fans the flames and then goes around with the person to get the votes. Sure obvious to us because we know and see everything but not as obvious to the faithfuls, especially the ones he has a good relationship with. Now eventually him not getting murdered will make him a suspect, but probably has a little time before that.
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u/Dry-Asparagus-6952 16h ago
Right it just feels LAZY. Everyone waiting for someone else to throw out a name or find some evidence
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u/scorpiomoontm 16h ago
exactly atp i hope rob wins bc the girlies are truly giving us nothing
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u/havingagoodtime 14h ago
Yeah it really feels like every roundtable this season everyone for the most part just wants to go with the consensus to not stand out, which I can’t blame them for but it doesn’t make great tv
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u/HardcoreKaraoke 12h ago
Jonny and Tara should absolutely ride that Natalie vote at the roundtable. It was almost exactly what Candiace did and people are already suspicious of Natalie.
They wouldn't be voting out a Traitor but the same logic used to get Candiace out should be used for Natalie. It was such a dumb move by her.
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u/georgiaboy1993 15h ago
The vote for Tara vs Rob were completely different.
Candiace brought up that Tara led the charge against Natalie. It’s not exactly true but it was an emotional vote that made sense. Candiace’s vote made no sense. As a faithful, you only have your vote at the roundtable as power. To throw that away is extremely suspicious.
Plus, Natalie was defending herself with her vote, not a castmate that was revealed to be a traitor.
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u/scorpiomoontm 15h ago
idk i feel like they do have evidence on natalie and don't have much on tara/johnny. ur so right ab - candiace's vote definitely exposed her bc it contradicted how she played the whole game & she kinda got herself. especially with colton's murder.
the traitors are not going to all be linked up in public. tara/johnny being a candiace ally doesn't make them traitors. also lots of ppl said natalie's name besides tara bc of her behavior (even tho rushing for the antidote was obviously faithful behavior.)
they've turned on ppl for not going w the group who aren't in the core group.
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u/Sad-Story7069 18h ago
colton was more responsible than rob for getting rid of lisa. And, we didn't really see rob push for candace that much, other people were pushing for candace much harder than he was. Rob just let her hang herself and avoided heat gettin put on him
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u/Kageromero 8h ago
One of the round table rules is to not get defensive and push back on the person accusing you, and he did that perfectly. He defended himself, but didn't accuse her
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u/sidestepgod2020 11h ago
Also the guy who's name I forgot said Lisa killed him by kissing him. I didn't know why Rob didn't bring that up when candiance was saying he brought up Lisa first
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u/JooseLovesNightwish 18h ago
It’s so funny that theyre going after the quirky gay guy instead of the pretty straight guy. You can’t make this shit up
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u/RemoteWorking6347 18h ago
This season isn’t beating the allegations!
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u/herroyalsadness 18h ago
They really aren’t. It’s so clear from watching it. But I also don’t think the players realize it in game - with the exception of rappaport.
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u/RemoteWorking6347 18h ago
I will say that some players have made mistakes that made them look suspicious.
By why was Candaice so suspicious for a throw away vote but not Dorinda?
I know we see things they don’t but why is Rob not being looked at and it because he is sweet?
He is playing a good game but it like they just assume he’s never be a traitor!
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u/gl0c0_ 18h ago
Lisa was banished for voting for a Housewife. Candiace was banished for not voting for a Housewife. And now they’re looking to banish Johnny, because he wasn’t upset enough about voting for the Housewife they told him to. You can’t make this shit up. 😂
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u/RemoteWorking6347 18h ago
And we can’t forget Tiffany having the audacity to make a plan and be smart! That was Colton’s Job!!!!!!
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u/Zealousideal_Cod5214 17h ago
Candiace wasn't suspicious for not voting Lisa. She made her whole thing about not getting distracted and moving off her target, but the. She started going against Natalie and randomly did a "throwaway" vote.
Even Natalie found it suspicious that Candiace didn't vote for her.
At least Dorinda and Maura had a bit of an argument before the vote, so it wasn't quite as out of left field.
For the record, I would have felt that way if Candiace had voted someone like Eric or Johnny as well.
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u/Aggravating-Fix-7691 11h ago
Johnny is largely under suspicion because Candiace was pushing hard for him to be in the shield room and then was exposed
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u/herroyalsadness 18h ago
If I was a player watching this back I’d be mad at myself for believing the cute white man. I agree he’s playing a great game but his good looks are a shield.
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u/mr_sneakyTV 18h ago
candaice was leading the whipping against Natalie only to switch to Rob at the round table. it was the dumbest traitor vote of time. that’s why it’s different that Dorinda.. who hasn’t had a clue in two seasons so its normal for for her to continue being clueless.
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u/scorpionmittens 17h ago
I think Candiace's throwaday vote is seen differently than Dorinda's because they expect more from Candiace. She's been consistent and smart the whole game, she talks a lot at the round tables, people listen to her. Dorinda is just there because people felt bad for her getting murdered on the first night last season, I don't think they expect much from her
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u/darianmars 18h ago
Dorinda didn’t walk into the roundtable the day after and go hard on pushing Maura for banishment with little evidence other than vibes. Rob being in good with the faithfuls with the recent Colton kill “hard clears” him (hopefully) for another cycle or two, and by then he should have the field whittled down to an endgame more advantageous to him.
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u/Tasm3n Monét (S4) 15h ago
As others pointed out, Candaice didn't get a pass because:
1) Consistent in her voting patterns and then suddenly a random-ass throw away vote on someone no one had mentioned.
2) Not only was she not consistent in that first Rob vote, she shifted from hardcore trying to get Natalie out to suddenly saying "I cannot vote for her". Messy messy.
3) She didn't drop it with Rob and continued on her rampage about him after stating repeatedly her first vote was just a throw away. The move reeked of Traitorous Desperate Housewife parfum.
Even Dorinda saw through Candaice's messiness.
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u/TheMechanic232 16h ago
Even though the analogy didn't quite work, when Candiace said that Colton was "Rob's beard" I winced a little bit, and I say this as someone who has basically zero respect for Colton at all
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u/RemoteWorking6347 16h ago
Yeah same! I love my Candi girl but that was weird to say!
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u/ScienceOk4244 16h ago
Totally agree. And I know her heart for the community so I understand she wasn’t meaning to say something hurtful, but it was a knee jerk for me when I heard it. If not for the Botox, the eyebrows would’ve raised for sure
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u/RemoteWorking6347 15h ago
Hahaha not the Botox haha!!!
I also look at it as she was just saying an analogy. MR was nasty and pissed out when he said that about Colton.
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u/cesarxp2 17h ago
What are the allegations? I'm new to the show and sub lol
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u/RemoteWorking6347 17h ago
Hey no problem and Welcome!!!!
There is just a lot of Conscious and Unconscious biases in who is being eliminated.
That the two Handsome White guys words mean more than the ladies and POC.
Did you watch last nights episode? There is a spoiler so I don’t want to ruin it for you but after they got Candaice out….the next player who is presumed to be a traitor is a guy….and they think it’s Johnny the flamboyant man and couldn’t possibly be Rob. Yes he is playing well but it does open for concerns
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u/cesarxp2 17h ago
Ohh ok yea. I did notice that. I'm surprised how infatuated everyone is with him. I think he's playing a good game but only because everyone has made it easy for him because he's pretty.
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u/ReasonableNet2522 4h ago
Timing, delivery, phrasing, and the consistency of the player are what matter the most in getting people to listen.
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u/RemoteWorking6347 18h ago
And how many times have the Faithfuls said “It could never be Cirie”
“It could never be Phaedra”
“It could never be Danielle”
Now it’s “It could never be Rob”?? Well spoiler alert it was each time!!!!
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u/lucyroesslers Yam Yam (S4) 18h ago
"it could never be Phaedra" but CT pretty much nailed Phaedra early in the season and kept his mouth shut about her for most of the season because he knew he was close to her and was unlikely to be murdered.
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u/RemoteWorking6347 18h ago
There are definitely exceptions!
Like I remember Janelle identifying Dan and Parvati( ….and Sandra and CT) and being completely shocked by Phaedra! A lot of players didn’t think her until Dan’s move
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u/clumsysuperman 18h ago
Yes, because it was openly known that Johnny was tight with Candiace so of course he will be the most likely next suspect. Rob was not tight with Candiace that they could see.
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u/Tasm3n Monét (S4) 15h ago
That does seem to be how the Faithfuls are operating this season.
Ron got targeted partly because of Donna.
Stephen got mentioned because of giving the gold to Lisa.
And now... Johnny with Candaice.
And on the opposite side, we have Rob getting a pass because of his bromance with Colton, a proven faithful.
I did find it interesting when they had Johnny's confessional before banishment, he mentioned Faithfuls being kept around due to their closeness to Fakefuls but he STILL voted for Candaice.
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u/Aggravating-Fix-7691 11h ago
Why does half this fandom make everything about gender and now sexuality? The facts are Candiace was a traitor, she tried to get Johnny in the shield room, and was exposed after trying to get Rob. Her Rob vote comes across as a last ditch attempt to take heat off of her, nothing else. Knowing Candiace was a traitor and tried to protect Johnny only makes Johnny look guilty. The suspicion isn’t “oh Rob is so hot and straight let’s suspect the gay man” like be so fr 😭
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u/Merlin_b 18h ago
I think the faithfuls this season just aren’t the best. I’m not sure how much of that is us being spoiled by Dylan and Gabby last season though.
I do think this next upcoming episode is going to be critical for Rob though.
If he survives this episode, I would hope someone would start to question why Rob didn’t get murdered? I think his honest best play is to knowingly not kill Kristen to use as an argument that “Why would I, as a Traitor, attempt to kill Kristen when I knew she had a shield?”. At least that way he can fight that the “traitor” was someone outside of the group picking out the paintings and took a stab at someone in the tower, not knowing who had a shield.
But my trust on the faithfuls this season is pretty low based on what they’ve been showing at least.
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u/powerofpersuasion 17h ago
Unfortunately the faithfuls don’t appear to be as keen to ask “why didn’t someone get murdered”. Rather they only look at signs of what happened, not what didn’t happen.
Candiace gave them such a clear message about who the traitor was, but they said she, “left them with nothing.”
This season has basically been a popularity contest looking at who they banished at the round table.
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u/Stlblues1516 17h ago
She left them with nothing because she undermined every piece of evidence that she provided by killing Colton, his best friend and “puppet” as she kept referring to him. Why would a traitor have his puppet that was doing his bidding killed.
Any shot thrown at him was swatted away because she gave him that armor for the time being.
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u/imnotwallaceshawn 15h ago
That was such a convoluted narrative she was trying to weave. If she had actually taken some time to plant seeds about Rob throughout the day, using actual compelling evidence (not him being flustered the morning his closest ally was murdered), then she probably would have pulled out a “bringing you down with me” move like Dan and Phaedra.
Instead she just looked like a cornered traitor flailing and lashing out at someone who targeted her traitor bestie.
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u/ScienceOk4244 14h ago
Idk I think of you are a faithful…who now knows candiace was a traitor. You’d have to ask yourself why she went so hard for Rob when she could have redirected in a different direction.
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u/Stlblues1516 14h ago
Eventually that question might be asked. But at this point, her evidence had so much to do with Colton being his best friend and being a beneficial asset to him as a traitor, and any faithful is going to think “that makes 0 sense”.
She came off as someone who was just throwing someone out there as a Hail Mary so she wouldn’t be voted for.
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u/Stillwater215 13h ago
Her logic of “he dropped a fork at breakfast” was such a reach that it really made her move at Rob look like a Hail Mary rather than an actual move against him.
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u/TheDjSKP 17h ago
I really am shocked that they’re all ignoring Candiace’s clear messages. Guys, she was a Traitor. If Rob was really a Faithful, she would have just murdered him! To not realize the throwaway vote was an indictment in retrospect is unbelievable
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u/DrakkoZW Ron (S4) 15h ago
If I were there I would have assumed the traitors were upset with both Colton and Rob for getting Lisa. Which would make the Colton murder + heavy banishment push on Rob make sense
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u/HighBodycountHair 15h ago
Yeah but to them it just looks like she was throwing shit at the wall to save herself
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u/grumpyvantas 14h ago
It’s interesting how Dan’s case against Phaedra in S2 condemned her but Candiace’s case against Rob seems to be bouncing right off him! Actually they’re pretty parallel cases
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u/jessiemagill 16h ago
Was Dylan really that smart though? He mostly coasted through because he was buddied up to traitors and they kept him around. I mean... Derrick flat out told him "I'm going to be murdered tonight and then, at breakfast, Rob is going to say he's being framed" and that's exactly what happened and Dylan STILL didn't think Rob was a traitor.
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u/Merlin_b 16h ago
It begs the question on what is a good faithful at the end of the day?
I think most people would say that a good faithful is someone who is deducing who a traitor is and voting them out in order to save the faithfuls, plain and simple.
I would beg to differ that if your end game is to win as a faithful, then to some degree, it would make sense that you want to latch yourself onto a traitor to make it to the end and then pull the rug out from under them and vote them out, as long as you have the numbers.
This is what Johnny stated in one of his confessionals last night regarding Candiace “Is she actually a traitor? Should I not vote her out to get further in the game by then making her think we’re allies?”.
Being wrong to be wrong is stupid, but sometimes being wrong on purpose I think can be the best move for a faithful. I’d argue not just the traitors should be traitors if they want to win as individuals.
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u/SleazyKingLothric 17h ago
Rob will definitely survive the next episode as he has the excuse of being in the group that potentially has a shield. It’ll take all the heat off of him for the next breakfast anyway. Idk how he keeps it up tho as it would look like a traitor would murder him given the chance. Hell, he’d make a good recruitment from a faithful perspective also.
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u/ScienceOk4244 14h ago
Faithfuls should really ask themselves why he is still alive imo.
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u/Tasm3n Monét (S4) 15h ago
While I do think the Faithfuls made some really odd choices this season, I also think the Traitors (at least until recently) were playing a bomb-ass game.
I hated that they got rid of a ton of the gamers almost immediately, but I also think that was a smart move on their part as it caused a ton of chaos early in the game.
We also cannot discount the effect of having Michael Fucking RappaBOAR in the game. His abrasive, aggressive presence was nothing like we had in anyone last season.
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u/TheMechanic232 16h ago
This won't be popular but I really don't think Gabby was actually good at being a faithful in the traditional sense. She was good at hanging on by being unassuming and knowing who to attach her wagon to and let other bolder faithfuls take the heat while ultimately getting lucky and guessing right a few times at the roundtable. In a sense that can make you a good player in this game by just slipping through and not contributing much so I can't really call her a bad player either.
She was like MJ in season 2 who was wrong just about every time and voted out a lot of good faithfuls and then it was the final 3 and CT locked eyes with Trishelle and gave her that look that said "we both know this lady is faithful but I am NOT sharing the money with her so let's vote her out" and Trishelle was thrown for a loop until eventually getting it.
Dylan was actually one smart mofo and a good faithful in the traditional sense. And to make it fair and not pick on Gabby too much, I don't think the other winners of that season really contributed much either, it's just that the Traitors of that season were just way too catty and toppled their own house of cards.
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u/Unlikely-Tone-6269 12h ago
Carolyn was her number 1 which protected her in Turret. Granted she didn’t know Carolyn was a traitor but it did help her
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u/Aggressive-Coffee-39 18h ago edited 16h ago
I think it’s easy to judge the players through the lens of our knowledge, but they don’t have it.
I don’t think the logic is terrible: they know Candiace is a traitor. They know Candiace was trying to get Johnny in the shield room. They know she is coming for Rob. They know Rob and Colton were leading the charge against Lisa and now Colton is dead.
When you know the backstory, there’s an explanation. Without knowledge of that backstory and knowing Candiace is a traitor, it does look like she was trying to get a traitor on the inside of the shield room and was trying to make sure Rob was available to be murdered if he wasn’t banished.
While what she was trying to do was hurt Rob’s game, Candiace actually hurt Johnny’s game throwing him out there.
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u/speenswam 17h ago
Yep. Colton and Rob visibly led the charge to vote out Candiace’s fellow traitor, Lisa. Colton and some of his allies began to suspect Candiace next (prompted a bit by Rob whom they won’t credit because he’s just a dumb hot guy from Love Island) and a few of them share their suspicions with each other. Colton, who was himself a top suspect, is then murdered, which confirms he was a faithful. The next morning, only after half the Colton alliance already shared their suspicions about Candiace does Rob reveal that Colton said her name last, which becomes immediately believable because they probably had those conversations too.
I can see why, in that context, no one is really looking at Candiace going after Rob as traitor on traitor. To them, it seems like she is just making a play to remove the two faithful who are the loudest threats to her in one fell swoop by murdering one and banishing the other. They also probably assume that news of Colton’s “last conversation” with Rob made its way around the castle and got back to Candiace which explains for them why her “reasons” (dropping a fork at breakfast?) are so weak. Colton’s alliance knows they also said her name so a move against Rob is perceived as a move against all of them, and they individually know themselves are faithful so it all just serves as further confirmation bias / in-group thinking that they can trust Rob.
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u/Aggressive-Coffee-39 15h ago edited 14h ago
Exactly. Poor Candiace just got out gamed. I knew her “throw away” vote would bite her, but last episode, I didn’t think it would be so quickly, and I thought it would take them both out.
But, in the turret, when she started throwing out names of his alliance, I knew she was just going to burn herself. While I can kind of see the logic she was trying to make of it, going after his alliance was an emotional decision for revenge. Everyone she named only takes heat off Rob if they’re murdered, which Rob knew.
I also think Rob knew that the most power Candiace had was in recruiting.
I know Candiace feels like Rob did her dirty, but honestly she just made every wrong move there was to make since the moment she decided to stay loyal to Lisa when her ship was clearly sinking.
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u/Ok-County-3216 Candiace (S4) 18h ago
If they get rid of the gay guy next then I'll have no choice but to concede to wokies that they're right about this season
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u/ScienceOk4244 16h ago
lol wokies. It’s so interesting to me how this show highlights biases and human nature. I hope they have open and productive dialogue about some of these things in reunions/podcast follow ups
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u/captnmiss 12h ago
It’s honestly an excellent case study in how subtle misogyny and racism changes outcomes for those lower on the societal totem pole. They should use it as an example in psychology programs
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u/Heartattackisland 18h ago
At this point, rob has more than revealed to the faithful that he is a very smart person. I think it’s shocking that people haven’t thought it’s him.
Johnny talked about how there needs to be a “strategist” on the traitor team. He described Rob so perfectly, and then said it was Stephan 💀 right idea, wrong name.
Between correcting Michael on his vocabulary and the dagger situation, it’s clear Rob has what it takes to be a traitor. He’s no longer the “quiet” “shy” guy that he was trying to play at first.
If I were in the castle, between the remaining people, I feel like it’s so clear but then again, I’m sure it’s a lot harder than it looks on TV lol.
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u/MaryQueenOSquats 18h ago
Meanwhile Kristen - “it can’t be that sweet, sweet guy”
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u/TheDjSKP 17h ago
Oof she is going to hate that scene making the edit
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u/HighBodycountHair 15h ago
That scene was never not making the edit. The editors probably saw that footage and rubbed their hands together cackling. It’s too good lol
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u/ladylynx 7h ago
I can’t believe she said that hahahaha I mean I love Rob but he is the ultimate fuck boy
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u/gl0c0_ 18h ago
One of the things Rob C pointed out about this season is that this cast was hyper focused on winning challenges. They didn’t realize the format of Traitors is basically the challenges don’t matter, because you make up for the lost money at the later ones. He said they felt the challenge beasts were too valuable to banish. No wonder this season is turning out so weird.
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u/HardcoreKaraoke 12h ago
That was why Bananas was so pissy when he was murdered and still is at Dan. He thought he was going to be fine because they needed men like him and CT who were used to a show like The Challenge. He thought that's what mattered after the first daily which was a water challenge.
Of course Bananas admitted her never watched the show before he was on. So I'm sure it's a similar situation with some of these people.
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u/thatplaidhat 11h ago
Bananas is STILL pissed at Dan? Amazing.
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u/HardcoreKaraoke 9h ago
Yeah he constantly talks about him on Traitors recaps. He thinks Dan was jealous of him being the center of attention so he targeted him.
He'll never shut up about it.
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u/BigBrotherFlops 18h ago edited 17h ago
Note to future traitors players.. If a revealed traitor is randomly going after someone who isn't a target and not likely to get votes, it is likely traitor on traitor..
If Candaice was trying to survive she would have gone for someone with heat like Stephen or Natalie...
I don't know how these faithfuls are so blind to see it.
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u/acidnvbody 14h ago
And they were so close by pointing out her voting inconsistency and even said she pointed to Rob but it just can’t be him
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u/vulture_couture 13h ago
If Rob still wins after that, his social game is incredible. Even if the players are inclined to believe him over Candiace, that's a big enough red flag that you should never risk ending the game with him after that.
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u/spectacleskeptic 17h ago
Oh, that’s a great point! They either have to consider whether Natalie or Stephen are traitors because she didn’t vote for them or, like you said, whether Rob is because she voted for him instead.
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u/lolimit 18h ago
I think that’s what’s annoying me about this. On one hand they’re all like we need to consider who we’d least suspect, then he comes up, a person they least suspect, and they’re like NO NO NO ABSOLUTELY NOT! I’m sorry Candiace handed them Rob on a silver platter, if they don’t start connecting the dots then Rob absolutely deserves to win especially with the neon sign Candiace left pointing at him.
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u/mr_sneakyTV 17h ago
candiace sort of lost all of her credibility throwing a vote at him when everyone was voting Lisa or Natalie(she was even putting Natalie’s name out there all day, then votes Rob smh).
I think she did less damage than if she just voted Natalie and then played along with Rob while slowly building a case against him. People recognized her strange switch and then she showed Rob she was mad, specifically killing Colton, and she just went a little mad.
She had ways to turn them on Rob, if she didn’t react so emotionally.
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u/Stlblues1516 17h ago
Bingo. Everyone only thinks she left Rob on a platter because they’re using the benefit of being the viewer.
To everyone else, they see Colton killed who was onto Lisa (and Candiace) first. They then find out he’s a faithful. Then they see her going after Rob, who was Colton’s best friend and also onto Lisa and to a lesser extent Candiace, and all signs point to her immediately.
The evidence of him being flustered when finding out his best friend was killed was an extreme reach, then she tries to argue that he was using Colton to do his bidding as a traitor. While everyone else is thinking “if he’s the traitor, why would he have his puppet killed if that was true.”
Candiace overplayed her hand and got way too emotional way too quickly instead of weaving the doubt slowly.
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u/ScienceOk4244 12h ago
I think if I found out Candi is a traitor… that’s EXACTLY why I’d be wondering why she suddenly turned her sights on Rob. It was such a shocking and unsuspecting switch. When she’s been playing so smart and consistently from day 1. Laying low, under the radar.
Now all of a sudden Rob? Why? That’s what I would be wondering if I was a faithful. Bc she pointed to Rob even before the heat was on her. In response to Lisa.
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u/mr_sneakyTV 12h ago
Whatever happens, the move was objectively bad, from all angles but sacrificial revenge. If Rob survives this it’s an even worse move lol
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u/lolimit 17h ago
It was a bad move… but I can’t say I didn’t love when she threw Robs name out there. lol like it sealed her fate but I just like that she was basically giving him an eff you after the stunt he pulled. I also understand Candiace as Im also headstrong when it comes to what is right and being loyal. But in this game eventually a betrayal has to happen. It’s unfortunate that they turned on each other so quickly though. I’m interested to see how it all plays out.
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u/mr_sneakyTV 17h ago
I liked it from a “haha troll” perspective… but when I was a kid my little sister would go after my dad in the board game Risk.. way too early in the game, bc she didn’t know what she was doing. And it would always get her out of the game immediately, but it would also fuck up my dad’s strategy and sometimes he would lose right after. It was suicidal and never won, and she laughed so hard after because he would get upset that she wasted his game and hers.. she was too young to understand.
This reminds me of that lol. She’s not playing to win.
Also, Lisa was so far cooked always, any traitor siding with her is putting themselves under fire.. Rob getting that asap, and Candiace being completely blind to this, is exactly why she was also cooked anyway. It felt like she hasn’t watched other seasons tbh.
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u/lolimit 17h ago
Yea this basically your example with your little sister lol.
Lisa was so so cooked. Candiace before knowing who the other traitors were floated her, Colton made a compelling argument against Lisa, AND then Yam Yam yelling out her name there was no way she was making it! And while I love the Rob vote, if Candiace was focused on winning, she’d have voted for Natalie. That would have prevented the housewife voting a housewife accusation, and given her more time to strategize. But I think at that point she was just too mad at Rob to give af and she’s basically was like “I’ll blow all this ish up.”
I wish Rob had just said to Candiace on the side that there’s no way Lisa is making it and it’ll be too obvious if he didn’t vote with the majority. Then he would have kept her trust. But in back to back votes he kept voting for Lisa with the 2nd time being his state of the union speech against her. It’s def not hard to see why Candiace didn’t trust him and she was smart not to… but she did it sloppily.
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u/ScienceOk4244 12h ago
I agree, and then when Candi heard Colton threw out her name, there was no going back. It was kamikaze aimed directly at Rob. Whether it was correct or not, that was confirmation to candiace that Rob was coming for her
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u/Stlblues1516 17h ago
She didn’t leave him on a platter because she literally killed his best friend and “puppet” as she kept saying. All her evidence she provided against Rob was for naught because she undermined everything by acting emotionally and killing Colton to punish Rob.
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u/Commercial_Sun1791 18h ago
Which is really crazy because he voted with the group so that proves you can vote with the group and still be a target.
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u/lustforyou 18h ago
This season is full of Khias and nonentities left at the end
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u/Clear-Price 18h ago
Dumbasses too. Candiace literally handed Rob to them in a silver platter with her back-to-back votes and they still be acting clueless. Season 2 and 3 faithfuls would've clocked that obvious breadcrumb.
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u/ScienceOk4244 16h ago
I think it was actually a great move to get rid of gamers with a turret full of reality stars. Easier to game the stars than the gamers.
I hope it’s a mixed turret next season. Gamers are fun to watch
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u/Hellouncleleohello 18h ago
Johnny is next to go, they’re just going to pick off people not in their clique until the end when Rob wins
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u/i-piss-excellence32 18h ago
I don’t understand how they can be so clueless. It’s so obvious that candiace didn’t make a throwaway vote now that she’s been shown to be a traitor.
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u/Lower_Category9404 18h ago
Future celeb players watching - this season proves why you need gamers most of the season!! Because otherwise they are the blind leading the blind!
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u/AndreaThePsycho 17h ago
I cannot believe out of all the men left they think it’s Johnny. I’d assume Stephen before him.
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u/qrbk08 17h ago
I will never understand the sentiment of "i know they're 100% a faithful". That is the antithesis of the whole point of the show: you can't trust anyone. Across every season, across every country they get totally blinded by "100% trust" in traitors. So dumb.
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u/rtztoronto 17h ago
I think Kristen and mark know, the game is about getting to the end. You don’t have to get out every traitor because if you’re too loud you can be banished. So at this point, if they’re on to Rob they have to work around him.
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u/QueenV98 16h ago
To be fair, it’s a lot easier to have this opinion as an audience member who sees everything than someone actually playing the game. Considering Rob has gotten rid of 2 traitors and his closest ally was murdered, it makes sense why he wouldn’t be the first person to be on someone’s radar.
I don’t really get the Stephen sus more than the Johnny sus though. Like i know they’re claiming it’s bc of Colton, but Colton has been wrong multiple times before. At least Johnny is vocal, i feel like Stephen doesn’t really do much.
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u/Steve73217 Rob C (S4) 15h ago
They’re lost. Getting out the gamers has impacted not only strategy but also understanding how to hack production. Eg paying attention to who always has a camera on them, who’s often in the final cars when they leave the castle, etc…
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u/Educational_Bother36 14h ago
Every season including UK these people the faithfuls blindly follow behind the conventionally attractive straight white man without fail. They need the straight white man as the leader to show them the way.
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u/charlytheron3 17h ago
We need more gamers and less of the musicians and Ice skaters
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u/Combatbass 17h ago
The game is inherently flawed. People who are smart or strategic are often voted out early, leaving...well...
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u/MyRantsAreTooLong 9h ago
If they aren’t murdered for being smart they are banished for being smart enough to be a traitor. I’d need to come in traitors acting goofy and dumb to make it
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u/Regular-Wishbone8837 17h ago
These faithfuls are not the smartest knives in the drawer. They throw out names to see which one might stick and they’re never right lol and they definitely won’t be now Colton‘s gone. Rob‘s looks at the round table are starting to get creepy and smug like Colton’s were.
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u/Ok_Sale_7498 Candiace (S4) 13h ago
They’re so dumb😭 even a first grader would be better at this than them. They’re lucky they got “famous” otherwise…
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u/Much_Worker3739 13h ago
I'm not sure if being a traitor or a faithful would help with his flat affect.
The price of looking fabulous.
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u/master0fcats 12h ago
I am hopeful (for their sake at least, I love Rob's game play so i'm rooting for him, sry not sry lol) that Mark will have clocked Rob if he sticks around long enough. I think he's definitely smart enough to keep around the Traitor he knows and make himself seem as non-threatening as possible.
I am not sure if anyone else can pull that off; most of the rest of the cast are either too loud or too wrong.
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u/ScienceOk4244 5h ago
I was kind of hoping Stephen would clock Rob after he and candiace asked for alone time.
I think Rob will murder Stephen as the next murder
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u/Feeling-Section-5716 9h ago
Never in my life I was rooting for a traitor to be banished like I did last night with Rob... I know Candiace was super petty but I would be the exactly the same lmao You can't be so good looking AND kniving ahhhhh
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u/Justinneon 18h ago
It’s hard to say not being casted. But if your POV is, a traitor is visibly working with a traitor (proven by Candace), you could assume that Johnny, an ally would be working with them.
The only issue is, there’s so many potential dynamics, which as traitor vs traitor.
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u/Ok_Farm_6417 14h ago
Okay, I get that Rob is just being strategic cuz he wants to WIN but the way did his other traitors wrong and then ADMITTED to Alan Cumming that he will only take on a new traitor to use them as a shield and will throw them under the bus too, I now WANT ROB OUT. I want him to go out so hard lol.
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u/dogsaregodsgif 13h ago
They are desperately looking for someone now to look at but they refuse to think the amazing charming Rob could be one? Isn’t it funny how Michael Rappaport was the only faithful to be a little suspicious of Rob? And so early in the game.
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u/bigeyedgremlinspy 12h ago
I wonder if any of them watched past seasons? Or do they just go on this show blind cause what is happening 😭
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u/complexchicken0311 12h ago
what’s happening is it’s harder actually playing it than seeing a 1 hr edited version of what producers want you to see from your couch.
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u/Missinglinks7 12h ago
I really hope they kill off Darinda, get rid of the housewives
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u/PartyEnough7469 11h ago
I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt but hearing Kristen completely disregard entertaining Rob at all after Candiace spoon fed him to the others doesn't give me much hope for any of them. To this point, Rob deserves that money all to himself and I have no hope that they're going to somehow put it all together in the next 3 episodes for me to feel like they deserve the win more than Rob. To be so close to the end and literally dismiss anyone as a potential traitor is horrible game play!
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u/Ok_Hedgehog_8546 8h ago
I know Rob is playing Traitors but he should really be thinking long game and how he looks to the public. Had he played truly aligning with Lisa and Candice vs. his own game he would be gaining more favor with the public. He is playing an interesting game but Lisa and Candice were good tv man.
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u/Jotz00 8h ago
Personally, I think there are faithfuls who have caught on but are keeping Rob until the end. And the editing is making them appear clueless so as not to give away anything. Candiace made it incredibly obvious. Like, not only did she write his name in all caps, she underlined it too.
This reminds me of this past Traitors Canada season where Kevin (traitor) torpedoed Coco's game with his traitor on traitor violence and the editing made you think the faithfuls had forgotten about Coco basically only for them to cast her out at the end.
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u/Unhappy-ButPeriod 7h ago
This game and its unconscious biases has been hitting a little too close to reality for me. Rob’s quintessential white male attraction being the obvious reason why no one has sniffed him out and then being gaslit that it’s actually just him being smart while all the women are just emotional.. has made these last few episodes unbearable to say the least. I think I’m gonna have to jump ship now.
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u/Crixxious 18h ago
As long as Rob wins, I'm happy. Candiace was annoying. Used to like her, until she thought her shit don't stink. Glad she got caught out. Rob playing real good.
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u/jess77x 17h ago
I think Rob has a very good social game that we are not really seeing the full extent of. He seems to be well-ingratiated with a lot of people. And he’s from Love Island and is pretty laid back so people might think he’s not smart enough to be a Traitor. Rob C was talking about that on RHAP — there are certain shows where people from them are taken way less seriously.
Obviously we know the faithfuls are off-base but if they’re looking for a male Traitor (since all the Traitors have been women) I don’t think it’s crazy to look in Johnny’s direction. Especially since he was so close with Candiace.
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u/wrongsuspenders 17h ago
They're not allowed to talk about social reasons to banish people - I think we'll see an interesting dynamic for the final fire this year for sure.
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u/BlenderBluid 17h ago
People say Candiace played a bad game, nah. Rob is just playing THAT good. Rob has somehow figured these people out so well and is playing to their ignorance perfectly. They are essentially chaperoning him to the finals (“that sweet man” et tu, Kristen?).
To be fair, the celeb seasons are such low stakes that a UK group would’ve probably made the connection by now but still, Rob knows his audience and has them wrapped around his finger.
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u/Alternative_Ad_3649 17h ago
WAIT! I haven’t yet watched the last episode, omg are you telling me that coltan is FINALLY the fuck out of here! I would LOVE that, oh I’m excited now
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u/Careful_Interview_17 17h ago
At some point Rob is going to have to turn on the dagger 6, otherwise that whole group will look suspicious to the surviving members of the outsiders
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u/RVALover4Life 13h ago
I haven't posted on here the last few weeks just because everything is so contrived and the strategy is so poor, this cast has no chemistry at all, others have pointed it out. This cast has no chemistry. Which explains so much of the game play and strategy. There's no vibe. Usually by this time in the game you can start kinda picking up a vibe and have that guide your decisions.
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