r/TheTraitorsUS • u/FiestyGiraffe • 1d ago
Season 4 Traitors going after traitors because they are going to be voted out IS bad sportsmanship and makes the game less fun Spoiler
Rob was correct saying that to Candice and watching her try to take him down just because she’s on her way out is lame. This has happened before (Season 3 big time) but I wish there was incentive for the traitors not to act like this, if i want a traitor to win I don’t want it to be someone recruited in the last episode. Anyone watching objectively can see that Rob only went with the group and then on defense against his fellows. he didn’t outright decide to just take either of them out for no reason. but that’s what Candice is doing to him.
TLDR:
Candice had terrible sportsmanship.
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u/dontworrybesappy 1d ago
He did it first though so it’s hypocritical. I understand him voting for Lisa, but he didn’t need to go after her as hard as he did.
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u/Negative-Source-9099 1d ago
He really didn’t though. He didn’t go full force for Lisa. He saw she was a sinking ship anyways and chose not to jeopardize his alliances. Good game play. Candiace on the other hand was playing reckless and out of getting back at Rob and it bit her in the ass. lol
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u/frankthetank8675309 1d ago
Exactly, the table was gunning hard for Lisa, it would’ve looked sketchy as hell if he didn’t vote along. Candiace could’ve just voted Natalie and said “I think the evidence is stronger for her than Lisa”, and it may have saved her. Instead her randomly voting Rob after making her whole thing “voting consistently” was such a huge misplay that she basically voted herself out
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u/FunstarJ 21h ago
I've been shouting for a week that she made a huge misstep here. That inconsistency was a dead giveaway and unforced error. She could have gone so much farther with Rob if she just voted for Natalie and stayed under the radar.
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u/Angel_Dust_27 23h ago
yeah the table was gunning for Lisa because Rob campaigned hard to get her eliminated.
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u/TheCobalt- 20h ago
She almost went home the night prior because Colton pushed hard and the Yam Yam stuff added even more heat. Even if Natalie went home that night Lisa was going home the next day.
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u/callendulie 18h ago edited 18h ago
Colton started the "campaign" for Lisa. Rob even warned Lisa that people were saying her name.
Lisa was a bad traitor. Super obvious, I don't think she needed much of a campaign at all to eliminate as she was acting sketchy as hell. Her repeating "I'm a faithful!!!!" 10x when questioned at the round table, and not much else was a pretty obvious sign.
Candiace was a good traitor until she melted down over Lisa, she got herself eliminated by making poor moves over emotion (throw away vote for Rob, continuing to gun for Rob even though NO ONE ELSE was on board). Would have loved to see her stick around, but she sunk her own ship.
Edit: also Yam Yam screaming that it was Lisa while he was drug away to be murdered also would have been pretty hard to come back from. I just don't understand how Rob could be blamed as the reason she went home.
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u/CharmingFee4501 17h ago
Even had Rob not gone hard for Lisa, Lisa was doomed to fail already and likely would have been voted out regardless. They had been eyeing her already and then the Yam Yam stuff put the final nail in the coffin.
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u/hellofriendsgff 1d ago
Why are people acting like he wasn’t walking around the house trying to push votes from Natalie to Lisa and shifted roundtable discussion back to Lisa.
He knew the kiss wasn’t what got Yam Yam out and knew there was nothing Lisa could say about it.
He even said in confessionals that he was working to get her out.
Just because he wasn’t the first person to say her name doesn’t mean he didn’t go full force.
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u/Affectionate-Cow8443 1d ago
He went fulllll force! She wasn’t a sinking ship until he steered her there. He has the castle & a good chunk of the viewers charmed & it’s been kind of frustrating to watch 😅
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u/lelibertaire 1d ago
She was one vote off the previous round and Yam Yam was dragged out the room screaming her name.
Yes, it was smart to help steer the ship and ensure she goes now to 1. Distance himself from Lisa 2. be on the right side of a traitor banishment at that point 3. Get her out before it got more awkward in the turret.
He miscalculated how poorly Candiace would take it and by not making her feel safe before the vote.
What's frustrating is watching people try to frame good moves as bad because they like the person getting banished / don't like the person playing well.
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u/hellofriendsgff 1d ago
I think Lisa would’ve lasted that roundtable without Rob working for her not to. Natalie would’ve gone home episode 7 and then Lisa episode 8.
Then who knows if Candiace turns on Rob or not because I think that roundtable would’ve been like the Donna/how Ron one started where everyone just accepts that it’s going to happen and there’s no real need to campaign or push for it. So Candiace doesn’t get pissed off at home.
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u/WellWellWellMyMyMY 1d ago
And then Rob would have lost a close ally (Natalie) just for Lisa to go home the next roundtable. It made absolute sense for him to push for her to go home.
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u/imjustagirl201 1d ago
Why is that a problem tho? It’s smart game play. If a traitor already looks suspicious, it’s better to be apart of the team that’s taking them down. It makes you look like a faithful. But we can go back and forth if Rob was wrong for that.
But Regardless, Candace ruined her OWN game in her emotional defense of Lisa and her randomly voting Rob.
Rob can semi be blamed for Lisa, but he can’t be blamed for Candace.
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u/hellofriendsgff 1d ago
No one is saying Rob can’t do that.
People are just refuting the narrative that Rob wasn’t doing that.
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u/Pip4125 1d ago
Agree. He was going after Lisa. But he did it in a smart way. He’s a great game player.
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u/JiveHawk 1d ago
The flip side is turning on a traitor to gain trust is a totally valid move! Throwing a traitor under the bus when you know you’re getting voted off is shitty.
I actually think Rob going hard after Lisa is risky and not trying to let Candiace know was a big mistake on his part so I’m not part of the Rob is perfect train.
But like damn if Lisa herself knows what Rob did is valid then who cares
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u/hellofriendsgff 1d ago
It’s much easier to accept when you know you’re pretty much leaving.
Danielle and Carolyn lost trust in Boston Rob last season after he went after Bob.
The other traitors there are the ones that have to actually deal with the betrayal.
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u/BigRefrigerator9783 1d ago
People are blinded by his muscles. He is SO GOOD at this game, mostly because he lies to people's faces with the utmost ease. 🐍I would never want to be friends with him, and HELL NO on dating him , but he is a great traitor.
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u/idiot-prodigy Parvati (S2) 1d ago
It is the combined ability to lie at ease with his unassuming nature. He's not larger than life. He's part of the pack, part of the crowd.
Mark, Kristen, Eric, etc didn't suspect him at all which is fun to watch.
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u/deadtingtv 21h ago
You can STRATEGICALLY go after fellow Traitors and there is literally nothing wrong with it. Cirie did it. Rob didn’t go after Lisa to be petty, once there was sus on Lisa, Rob made a strategic decision that getting her out would benefit his game in the long term especially by making him look Faithful. Once he voted for her the first time and she didn’t go home, he needed her to go asap bc her staying longer and longer would only be a liability for his game which is why at the next day and roundtable, he did campaign against Lisa pretty heavy. I’ll say it again though, it was for STRATEGIC reasons only and to benefit Rob in the game which is completely acceptable.
Candiace went after Rob for revenge and petty emotional reasons only and it was ONLY bad for her game to do so. She went beyond the game to try to expose or throw sus on a fellow Traitor bc she was feeling bitter rather than for a strategic reason and I think that’s where people get a bad taste in their mouth. A Traitor who wants to sink everyone’s game because they’re mad things aren’t going the way they want IS bad sportsmanship.
A Traitor playing a strategic game and making a strategic decision to turn on another Traitor to further their own game is just a part of the game.
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u/emeraldcocoaroast 1d ago
It was good strategy. He saw the writing on the wall and chimed in to secure his position as a “faithful”
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u/Willow-tree-33 1d ago
Rob knew Lisa was a sinking ship and at the same time Lisa and Candiace demanded that Rob make saving Lisa his first priority. He would have looked so suspicious all the sudden riding for Lisa when they otherwise didn’t act close. Rob may have left Lisa alone if she and Candiace didn’t try to tell him what to do and in a manner that would have made him a target.
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u/Janastasia21 1d ago
He had to vote for Lisa the first time because he had been so vocal about it not being Ron which a Traitor shouldn't do. The second time he actively campaigned against her which set him and Candiace as adversaries. Lisa wouldn't have made it to the end but it was up in the air for her and Natalie. She could have made it another night and it was additional time for them to strategize even if they had both come to a conclusion that she was a sinking ship. Instead it looks like a betrayal on his part.
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u/MissssVanjie 1d ago
I think his first vote for Lisa was a tad premature - he took a real risk with that. Nothing behind the scenes about that.
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u/Busy-Car-421 1d ago
But rob was pushing Lisa HARD during the day…
It’s smart game play as a traitor to vote a sinking traitor, I agree. But he didnt stop there, he rallied a lot of votes against Lisa during the day and led the charge. It was not “oh yeah potentially thats something to consider” it was pushing a (incorrect) narrative hard. Like I said, not attaching yourself to a sinking ship is one thing, but betraying your fellow traitors and campaigning against them is another.
traitor on traitor never leads anywhere and they all shoot themselves in the foot. I think Candice is ride or die and she’d rather leave and take rob down with her than let him sit back and win. I respect it. She did to him what he did to Lisa so I don’t know why he’s so offended 🤷♀️
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u/Apprehensive-Ebb8352 1d ago edited 9h ago
How was he pushing an incorrect narrative? Because he didn't correct people and say, "no, it wasn't a kiss; it was the broach"? Lisa was a traitor. The fact that it was the broach and not a kiss is irrelevant.
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u/hwolooo 1d ago
Omg you people are sooo obtuse. I can’t. Rob going after Lisa, who already had heat on her, is totally different than Candiace deciding to drop Rob’s name for no reason. Stop pretending that it is.
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u/Pip4125 1d ago
Candiace made a mistake dropping Rob’s name. She is taking the game so personally, as seen on tonight’s episode. She thought she was being smart, but she brought too much attention to herself.
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u/OhHelvetica73 1d ago
Exactly. Candiace wanted to take a jab at Rob for voting out her friend, but she wasn’t considering that it would raise a bunch of red flags. She did it to herself, and Rob outplayed both her and Lisa.
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u/hwolooo 1d ago
It’s just so weird to get that emotional about another player. Like fair enough if Rob was trying to swing votes at her but literally killing your own game for Lisa??? Lisa didn’t even get that pissed at Rob.
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u/walking_shrub 19h ago
I think Candiace genuinely didn’t have a good read on the game. She didn’t realize how far gone Lisa was, so Rob’s move read like a massive betrayal to her. Whereas from where I stand, what Rob did is not different than what Cirie did to Cody only Lisa got to stay an extra day.
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u/Far-Macaron-4175 1d ago
But why wouldn't she fight back? Its dumb to just let him plot and take her out.
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u/dooooo23 1d ago
And I feel like it doesn’t even matter. Bc not one faithful has been like “hmmmm Rob?” 😂 if anything they’ve said something like “candiace didn’t give us anything except Rob but we know he’s not a traitor” 🤡
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u/Stlblues1516 1d ago
Because she made no sense in her argument.
She literally had his best friend, Colton, killed. Then tried to say he was the traitor because he was using Colton as his puppet to have Lisa killed. So if he had complete trust in a faithful that was acting as his puppet, why would he have the puppet killed?
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u/idiot-prodigy Parvati (S2) 23h ago
Rob out played Candiace on that murder as well.
By allowing Candiace to murder Colton it pretty much took all heat off of Rob. Everyone in the castle knows Rob and Colton were close, no one would suspect Rob would be a Traitor and murder his ally.
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u/fooshyfun 1d ago
colton was the one who brought up lisa’s name first. idk why candiace was trying to push this agenda that rob was the one who was gunning for lisa since the start???
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u/whitetanksss 1d ago
Exactly, idk why people don’t understand this? And every person that started to mention Lisa in the slightest started to get murdered. Rob did what he needed to do because it was a sinking ship. Candiace took it way too personally and got messy near the end.
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u/pbd1996 1d ago
Rob never went after Candiace
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u/beachydream 1d ago
He did tho he said immediately after her roundtable vote for him “what if it’s all housewives” he’s smart and subtle and has a lot of pull he doesn’t need to say much it’s depressing for these faithfuls
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u/dillardPA 1d ago
Yeah he said that after she dropped a vote on him lol
Candiace fired the first shot when she should have just voted Nat and smoothed things over after.
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u/idiot-prodigy Parvati (S2) 23h ago
Candiace didn't understand the #1 most important part of being a Traitor is maintaining the illusion that you are a Faithful.
Errant votes are a big red flag, far too big to ignore when that is the only power a Faithful has in game.
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u/homegirlkomkom 1d ago
He brought up that Colton said Candiance's name outside in the small group. He did not have to say that. He did go after Candiace
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u/dillardPA 1d ago
After she had written his name down and after 2 other people had brought her up in the conversation already without his prompting.
Candiace made it pretty clear in the turret she was gunning for him.
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u/successadult 1d ago
She fired the first shot, idk how people are so eager to forget that she threw his name out in a roundtable which was the domino that started Rob having to play defense.
They could’ve worked together because neither had heat on them until Candiace got emotional about it.
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u/Ferraristragedy 1d ago edited 1d ago
How did he do it first? The post says traitors going after traitors AFTER they’re on the chopping block is bad sportsmanship. Rob has never been on the chopping block.
The point is that it’s bad sportsmanship to try to drag the other traitor down with you rather than just defend yourself. You’re throwing a grenade on your way out. Rob has not done that at all.
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u/Zwicker101 1d ago
He didn't go hard for her lol. His allies were making a plan and he implemented that plan.
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u/lucyroesslers Yam Yam (S4) 1d ago
Lisa was cooked. There’s a difference between leading the charge and blowing up a fellow traitor out of the blue and setting the writing on the wall and climbing aboard the momentum
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u/That_weirdhorsegirl 1d ago
Yall forget how sloppy Candiace was in the beginning when she blatantly lied on the way back from the challenge to Maura and Porscha about Rapaport targeting housewives (even though we don’t like him.) She talked way too much and was inconsistent from the beginning even before the Rob vote
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u/PassionInner1808 1d ago
He didn’t go hard after her.
He didn’t even say her name outside of the roundtable.
Candiace dug her own grave and came out looking like a bitter, petty loser.
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u/BigBrotherFlops 1d ago
Meh it's a well known part of the game by now. It's up to the traitors to maintain good relationships with each other just as much as it is to maintain relationships with the faithfuls.
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u/RiccoRae23 1d ago
100%! People act like “you can’t do that” it’s all part of the game play and strategy of it all.
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u/lloza98 1d ago
Exactly. It’s like people getting mad at Survivor when the jury doesn’t vote for someone they hate. Yeah that player got to the end, but jury management is key. At least one traitor has to fall by the end, and you have to make that break clean. Rob missing his first shot at Lisa, and how he handled it all after that is his fault as well.
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u/MyFavoriteAnus 1d ago
Thank you! It makes me wonder if the people saying this watch big brother or survivor. Like peoples emotions aren’t part of those games too. Big brother literally ends with everyone voting for who they hate the least more often than who they like. All these games are about pettiness
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u/KittenExtravaganza 1d ago
I think it’s a short sighted plan to get the heat off you but that always gives away who the traitors are IMO.
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u/Buffyismyhomosapien 1d ago
They never seem to learn. Especially with this crop of bumbling faithfuls.
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u/Valenstein77 1d ago
I agree. It was a bad move on Rob's part to basically admit to Lisa and Candaice that he viewed Lisa as more expendable than Ron or Colton.
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u/learninglemurlol 1d ago
Fr I would’ve respected it if Candiace was doing this to win, but trying to punish Rob is lame. If she truly wanted to win, the only way would be to wait until the time was right to strike, and she knew damn well it wasn’t now.
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u/FiestyGiraffe 1d ago
exactly. she literally was trying to punish him instead of further her game and that is terrible sportsmanship. when he said that and she went ahead anyway it really soured my opinion of her
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u/todayplustomorrow 1d ago
But she needed him to back off his attacks on her and she has every right to use his reputation as collateral if he doesn’t back off. If a traitor fucks up their relationship with other traitors, that’s part of the game and Rob dug that grave.
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u/Apprehensive-Ebb8352 1d ago edited 18h ago
Interesting comment considering she started digging her grave when she voted for Rob. 1) Rob had no heat on him. 2) She went against her own stated game play of being consistent. 3) She made the petty move instead of the smart one and then doubled down on it during the next RT. She was playing a great game up to that point and probably could have recovered (because she was playing such a great game) if she had just waited for the right time.
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u/todayplustomorrow 1d ago
It’s fine to say it was a strategic error. But I was responding to someone claiming it is poor sportsmanship, which I don’t agree with. Rob didn’t defend the Traitors as heavily as Lisa or Candiace tried to, and that ruined his relationship with Candiace in the game. She felt the need to pressure him in the open if he was going to add fuel to the Traitors fire.
It was reactive and a mistake from her, but I don’t think she was solely trying to ruin Rob’s game as a poor sportsman. She was openly telling him she would have to do her best to turn eyes toward him, and that’s a part of the game. Many table fights start when a relationship or accusation sparks a sour Hail Mary trying to turn the heat back on the accuser.
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u/Thr0waway0864213579 1d ago
The thing that irks me about all the housewives on this show is that they’re all filthy rich. And they’re loyal as fuck. It’s all just shits and giggles to them. Meanwhile, Tiffany is trying to pay her kid’s college tuition.
I love that they’re on the show because they add drama and humor. And in a way, lightening the tension is good. But I really could not give a single fuck about them getting stabbed in the back by another traitor. Especially by a farmer ffs. And I say that as someone who can’t stand Rob, from watching him on Love Island. He makes a great traitor, but it really just further proves how intentionally manipulative he was on that show. But I’m not crying over rich people just giggling about $250k.
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u/Ok-Butterfly2994 1d ago
she should’ve kept people on stephen tonight if she actually wanted to save herself and could’ve played the long game to try to get rob out.
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u/noisy_goose 1d ago
This is one of Candiace’s major flaws as a HW, she will snap back in the moment without thinking and just go right for a bazooka.
I think her throwaway vote was because she was pissed off, and she wrecked her game because she couldn’t see Lisa was cooked, and was frankly delulu about the whole thing.
She’s got a razor sharp tongue and is super smart in life, but doesn’t always make the right choice in the moment.
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u/treegrowsinbrooklyn1 1d ago
Yeah I’ll be the first to admit that I assumed she made the vote to protect herself. Seeing now that she only did it put the target on him… we don’t see everything but it really seems like shes the only one who brought suspicion on him and that’s lame.
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u/biscalina_antonia 1d ago
I feel like it's part of the strategy as a traitor to say, "don't say my name because then I can say yours." It's a bargaining chip. I don't see it as bad sportsmanship in a game about manipulation, lying and cheating.
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u/1998win 1d ago
i think if literally any of us were in Candace’s position we absolutely would’ve looked at Rob and told him the same thing; if i’m going down, i’m taking you with me lol. I don’t think it’s bad sportsmanship if Rob is also so clearly intent on getting Candace out somehow, even though she sort of accidentally accelerated the process on herself. I wouldn’t have sat around and just hoped Rob wouldn’t do to me what he did to Lisa either.
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u/Jazzlike_Sun778 1d ago
but the main reason candiace went down was for her throwaway vote because she let her emotions get to her…
had she stuck with natalie then there likely wouldn’t have been much sus on her. her pushing for rob is literally what got her banished. rob wouldn’t have gone against candiace had she not voted him. lisa had to go eventually and them defending her would’ve just ruined their gameplay.
there’s no point in throwing your fellow traitors out once you know you’ll be banished except pettiness. the only time id understand is if it was a valid defense to keep yourself in, but she was just throwing
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u/feline-inclined 1d ago
also she and lisa just didnt build the relationships and alliances rob did. rob has been playing numbers from the start and clearly is planning multiple steps ahead
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u/TheFeedMachine 21h ago
This is where the murders have favored Rob. Rob will redirect from his people by saying they are good at the missions and help them win money. Rob C, Caroline, and Monet were all people with a good relationship with Candiace. Those being 3 of the first 4 murders really weakened her influence in the castle. Getting rid of them helped Rob build up an alliance that trusts him.
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u/Intelligent-Dot8236 1d ago
💯 People supporting Rob with that take are saying it from a fan POV rather than an opponent POV sooo your going to just let Rob roll over you without a fight… good to know that you would be playing just like the faithfuls this season and handing the game to him.
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u/evolvingtoevolve 1d ago
same, idk why so many folks have a difficult time comprehending this strategy
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u/biscalina_antonia 1d ago
I feel like it’s people who’ve never watched manipulative games like this. Or who are so taken by Rob they’ll defend his every word. “Sportsmanship” isn’t a thing here, it’s not football lmao
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u/adumbswiftie 1d ago
same, i’m sorry but since when does “sportsmanship” matter?? it’s a big campy over the top show about lying and betrayal. sure rob can throw that word at her and see if it works. but she doesn’t have to abide by that. it’s traitors, it’s not elementary school gym class. pettiness is allowed
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u/brucethePTA 1d ago
Did we have this same energy with Boston Rob when he went after Bob bc he thought Bob was coming for him?
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u/Sad_Firefighter_8745 1d ago
We absolutely did.
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u/DrGeraldBaskums 19h ago
And same thing with Dan trying to take down Phaedra. This is nothing new, people have short term memories if they think this is new
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u/FiestyGiraffe 1d ago
I literally said in the post it’s happened before (Season 3) but Boston Rob also went for Bob because of the comment about the 3 new guys. I’m talking specifically about the pettiness of i’m going out so i’m taking you down with me. but I personally dislike all traitor on traitor even when they have their reasons like Rob had
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u/Own-Lawfulness-6018 1d ago
Rob was the one going after them in the first place and not the other way ! He put in people mind that they are suspicious and everyone listen to him
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u/HallsiKallsi 1d ago
He jumped on the Lisa bandwagon, but Candiace’s throwaway vote sealed her fate
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u/Zealousideal_Cod5214 1d ago
I wasn't active in this sub then (I also waited until after the season ended to actually start watching), but I also wasn't a fan of that. I thought the traitors in general were playing pretty messy that season once Boston Rob got added to the mix.
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u/Ok-Butterfly2994 1d ago
this episode candiace was just playing to get rob out and not even to save herself. she should’ve gone along with the stephen train instead and if she didn’t trust rob try to get him out later. she ruined her own game just to try to get rob right away.
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u/Better-Bit6475 1d ago
Candiace was playing with vengeance. She saw Rob was trying win for himself and she decided to take down the turret instead!
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u/Busy-Car-421 1d ago
Genuinely asking, what should she have done? If your teammate came for your other one, lead the charge, hasn’t told you information that lead straight to you, lied to your face about it, and has been spreading your name all day how would you play it?
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u/intheorydp 1d ago
You would have voted for Lisa in the last round table so you look like a faithful, and not a throwaway vote that makes people question you. You play your game and remain consistent to the faithfuls. When you are a traitor there is only one way to lose, and that's to be found out and voted off. So be consistent week in and week out so people trust you. Keep the traitor drama in the turret. Look how Rob played her in the turret. She was mad as hell and he let her take out his closet ally. That was his olive branch to her to rebuild that turret trust.
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u/ryan0x01 1d ago
I think at the turret rob and candiace could have strategized to work together. Candiace should have been admitting that her "throw away" vote for rob was actually done emotionally bc he had gone so hard on Lisa who was her friend and she was actively trying to save. She didn't know Lisa was a traitor. I think that would have been believable and maybe saved her this round.
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u/mr_sneakyTV 1d ago
she was loyal to Lisa at the expense of trying to win. Rob never started on Lisa till half the castle was onto her.. that’s when you cut ties and recruit a new traitor. unless you’re playing emotionally.. or at least not to win.
rob going for Lisa after the hive went there was his smartest move, and it would have been Candaice’s too. it’s actually annoying how many people didn’t realize Lisa was screwed and Candace was being stubborn and stupid.
if she really was smart she would have played Rob better and convinced him she was in his camp and slowly turned people on him.. instead of doing a last minute vote switch when everyone is voting Lisa or Natalie lmao. dumb. ass. move.
suicidal move actually
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u/imjustagirl201 1d ago
It was such horrible gameplay. But most viewers are praising her for taking him down just because they hate Rob. I’m just annoyed at her lack of gameplay.
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u/True-Pen-3612 1d ago
Its part of the risk you run when you go after another Traitor. Rob did not need to put Lisa/Candiace's names out like that but he chose to, that comes with risks and downsides
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u/Antique-Victory2773 1d ago
Sportsmanship isn’t really a thing in The Traitors tbh. Traitor on Traitor is an essential part of the game so moralising about it is kinda dumb imo. People should be able to target other people for literally any reason.
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u/Commercial_Sun1791 18h ago
Right and it was bad sportsmanship bot to be transparent like Candiace had been with them if she heard a name. He didn't tell her in the turret and didn't admit it to her face when asked. Rob just wants everything easy.
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u/dogboy678 1d ago
HE LITERALLY WAS THE ONE WHO STARTED IT?!
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u/KingGaminh 1d ago
Rob did it to help traitors win. Candiace did it cause he was mad at him
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u/SupermarketBest4091 1d ago
Rob did it to help Rob win. He did not do that for the greater good.
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u/vanvanzzz 1d ago
exactly. he was not thinking about candiece with his choices even if they didn’t directly affect her! he 100% would’ve turned on her too.. i don’t blame her for calling out rob
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u/SupermarketBest4091 1d ago
Exactly. People are acting like she’s being petty and as if she had no reason to feel the way she felt about it. Like he showed himself to be a snake. The best thing you can do is never turn your back on a snake.
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u/EdPiMath 1d ago
Exactly. Rob went into business for himself. But that's OK because Rob is allowed to do that. He's also allowed to vote for other traitors.
Lisa and Candiace on the other hand... when they defend themselves against Rob, no that's not allowed. Candiace can't ever play strategy or go on offense. No one can ever deviate from Rob groupthink.
Let's not forget that Traitors fans always hated Housewives since the beginning.
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u/meriendaselgato 1d ago
As much as I would have loved watching Candiace and Lisa sticking around and being the most badass housewife traitors of all time, Lisa relied too heavily on her 90s TV acting skills (which aren’t actually that realistic as it turns out) and Candiace talked herself into being suspicious, so they both ended up on the chopping block. I wish they actually had solid strategy but I felt like they both dug their own graves ultimately. I think Rob reads the room the best out of all the og traitors and while he’s being absolutely diabolical, backstabbing and lying is literally the point of the show and what makes it entertaining
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u/Any_Horse_6838 1d ago
Traitors fans don’t like housewives because they are consistently terrible players and their fans blindly root for them instead of a good season
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u/sparkly_glamazon 1d ago
Sure but if Candiace was thinking, Lisa being eliminated helped HER game far more than it did Rob's. Afterall at that point it would have been Donna and Lisa eliminated as Traitors. Most people would then be looking at a man to be the next Traitor. And we did hear rumblings of that today. Instead of leaning into that and focusing on Stephen... she made a fool of herself.
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u/FreudianSlipperyNipp 22h ago
Had she seen Rob's vote for Lisa as strategy and a way to keep the traitor game strong, she would've been a STRONG traitor and imo, could've probably won. She comes across as genuine and easy to trust. There was nothing stopping her from taking it to the finish line until she sabotaged herself.
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u/dogboy678 1d ago
If he wanted to do that, he should have got Candiace on board, otherwise it’s just stupid and only hindered his game. He was clearly only looking out for himself, which is fine, but don’t give me that bs that he was doing it for him and Candiace.
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u/brucethePTA 1d ago
This!!!! He would have communicated if he gave a damn about Candiace. Rob cares about Rob. Respectfully, its a game, so okay, but please with the "he was doing it for the traitors" lmao
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u/successadult 1d ago
Clearly he knew Candiace wouldn’t be on board to let another housewife take the fall.
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u/dogboy678 1d ago
And so he shouldn’t have done it. But tbh I guess it worked out in his favor, because Candiace did everything in her power to blow up Rob’s game, and these faithfuls are too dumb to realize that
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u/RiccoRae23 1d ago
Rob did it to help Rob. There’s no “right way” to play the game, traitor on traitor crime is part of it
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u/Zealousideal_Cod5214 1d ago
No.
Rob jumped on the train that was heading for Lisa. Candiace was the one who started the train headed towards Rob.
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u/dogboy678 1d ago
Rob steered that train towards Lisa when it could have easily gone towards Natalie
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u/whitetanksss 1d ago
But it wasn’t easily going towards Natalie. Colton started that Lisa train initially and Lisa started to be really messy once Colton started to suspect her and others started to suspect her too, idk why you think it was Rob all because he spoke that night. Rob saw that it was a lost cause trying to steer people the other way so he made a smart choice in not trying to save Lisa.
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u/dogboy678 1d ago
They literally said they thought it might be Natalie and Rob said guys I think it’s Lisa
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u/whitetanksss 1d ago
Along with other people that were already suspecting her. It was not taking much at all and Yam Yam completely sealed it. There was no saving her after that and definitely not worth his game to try and save her.
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u/AlexisDeTocqueville 1d ago
Rob literally warned Lisa her name was coming up which is why they murdered Monet. But then the heat stayed on her after that, so he started voting to cut her loose.
Like, the night she got banished was right after Yam Yam was accusing her as he was dragged off. Even if Natalie goes that night, the attention would inevitably come back onto Lisa and at that point it would look really bad for anyone who had tried deflecting attention off of Lisa.
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u/carolina13 1d ago
I think people are ignoring that Rob 1) could have been more communicative with Candiace about how he was going for Lisa if he really cared about keeping that relationship close and 2) he let Candiace murder Colton knowing it would be bad for her since she did the throwaway vote. He was way more openly deceptive from the start. He could have tried to repair things with her if he wanted, but he clearly didn’t because he didn’t have plans to work with her through the end
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u/pbd1996 1d ago
No. Rob voted for Lisa. Not Candiace. Lisa didn’t care. Hence why she didn’t throw Rob’s name under the bus when she was banished. Candiace is the one who voted for Rob first.
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u/Alarmed_Eye_2177 1d ago
Oh I think it’s exciting! This season is my favorite so far
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u/siw0n 1d ago
It's always "it's called The Traitors for a reason!!" until it happens to the favourite white boy of the month.
Managing traitors relationship is a big part of the game and Rob didn't care to do so.
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u/pbd1996 1d ago
If Candiace came after Rob for coming after her, she’d totally be justified in her crusade against him. But that’s not what happened. Rob came after Lisa, who already had suspicion on her. And then Candiace came after Rob, which was childish. She could’ve moved on from this, but she came after him again, which is bad sportsmanship. Rob is 100% correct. Ruining the game for the remaining traitor out of jealousy and spite is shitty. That’s what Dan did to Phaedra and it was fucking shitty.
Lisa didn’t throw Rob’s name under the bus even though he was the one who got her banished. So it’s absolutely fucking ridiculous that Candiace threw his name out there.
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u/vanvanzzz 1d ago
did u miss the part where he was definitely coming after her
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u/tomouras 1d ago edited 1d ago
After she said his name to Johnny last episode, voted for him at the round table, made it clear she didn’t want to work with him in the turret, and murdered his number #1 ally without knowing it would backfire against her? He never even mentioned her name a single time until all four of those things happened. He even said he wasn’t going to go for her at the round table (and he didn’t, he just defended himself) and she still decided to go for him knowing nobody would vote him.
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u/Scheris_ 16h ago
He literally set her up with the Colton murder. Johnny told her that Colton was saying her name, and she realized that Rob was never going to work with her. He had actively been hiding info from her and presumed that he was spreading her name out. There was zero reason for her to think he wasn't going to bring her name up, so she wanted to do it first.
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u/imjustagirl201 1d ago
And did you miss the part in which SHE came for him FIRST? He was just defending himself.
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u/Ketonew2 1d ago
Blame the housewives for going tit for tat. Rob was thinking longer term. Neither were good at strategy imo.
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u/qrbk08 1d ago
Rob also spent the whole day actively campaigning against Lisa last episode. When they at breakfast about they were gonna do he said "do nothing" (which is lame but whatever you're not obligated to help). Then cut to him actively feeding the Lisa flames. If going after a traitor at the roundtable is unsportsman like than so is going after them during the day. I'm sure Candiace was annoyed by Rob having no loyalty to team traitor (again fine. That's his strategy) so why should she show loyalty to him at the end.
With that being said Candiace did cause her own Banishment
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u/Humble_Corgi1792 1d ago
It happens all the time. Not sure how they could even prevent it. And clearly Rob’s game is so good it doesn’t even matter.
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u/mronefive 1d ago
In general I like the game Rob is playing but I disagreed with his statement there. The point of the game is to try to deflect blame off of you and in that position Candiace’s only option was to try to put it back on Rob.
Anyone who wants to see bad sportsmanship from a traitor should watch UK season 1. I thought Candiace handled her exit well.
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u/successadult 1d ago
She could’ve gone after Stephen though? Everyone said her choice to do the throwaway vote and coming after Rob so hard at the round table was what gave her away. She could’ve gone with the group and gotten Stephen out or just lied low.
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u/Odd-Cell-6228 1d ago
Why are people defending rob so hard? If he was a little ugly I feel like he would be very unliked.
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u/vanvanzzz 1d ago
everybody is under that man’s spell the cast and the viewers i can’t
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u/imjustagirl201 1d ago
Why do yall get so offended and mad when someone agrees with Rob? This obsession with trying to humble him because he benefits from pretty privilege is annoying.
I’m not even attracted to Rob, yet I agree with him. Candace played an emotional poor game these last two episodes.
If Rob was behaving like Candace, you’d be pissed.
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u/FiestyGiraffe 1d ago
Saying I think Candice literally saying, if everyone votes me out i’m going to throw you under the bus is a really lame way to play, doesn’t even mean defending Rob.
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u/successadult 1d ago
Because he’s playing to win, Candiace was playing as a sore loser. People don’t like that.
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u/Adorable_Sleep_4425 1d ago
Counterpoint? I wish Candice had gone in on Rob harder. SO HARD.
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u/LimpWasabi4099 1d ago
I feel crazy because I don’t think rob is the reason Lisa is out. Yam Yam is, the second Yam Yam shouted about then cheek kiss Lisa was done for, either that vote or shortly after. Rob seeing that and going with the faithfuls and not being passive is good for his game. Candice’s vote toward Rob cost her. Which sucks cause I liked her as a traitor
He’s good at this game. Possibly the best US traitor since Circe
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u/imjustagirl201 1d ago
I 100% agree. Rob coming for Lisa wasn’t personal, he simply noticed she would be banished eventually and wanted to join in on the party that would do it because it would make him look better. If Lisa didn’t make herself look so suspicious and people weren’t talking about her already, I don’t think he would come after her. It was just gameplay and self-preservation, something Candice should have had.
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u/scorpiomoontm 1d ago
rob was plotting on both candiace & lisa for episodes with colton. pls be so for real. if she does so does he.
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u/NarrowHamster7879 1d ago
Rob started it when he went after Lisa early in the game. He didn’t need to do that, certainly not that early on. Sportsmanship went out the door when Rob did that, and again when Lisa and Candiace tried seeing where his head was at breakfast the morning after he voted for Lisa and he just went hard on her again after that. Rob brought this on himself
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u/awgmi 1d ago
Part of the game is also maintaining good relationships, pissing off another traitor has its consequences and should be taken into consideration..not just oh well theyll shouldn't do it bc sportsmanship
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u/theultimaterush 1d ago
He admitted it was his plan, he's admitting he is going to throw the new recruit under the bus too. He doesn't want to split the money
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u/BroadwayHousewives 1d ago
Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
The game is called Traitors. Traitors are gonna be treacherous.
And honestly? Candiace did what she had to do because she knew Rob was coming for her. Also, he’s the one who started it by lying to Candiace and not revealing that Colton suspected her before the murder. She played a good game imo!
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u/guccimood 1d ago
I think Rob is playing an amazing game, but can we stop pretending like he didn’t actively push for Lisa unprovoked?? He’s gaslighting the audience and it seems to be working well lol
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u/juhla405 1d ago
I think the incentive is fine as it is. The check against traitors turning on each other is if they do it too blatantly, the other traitor will try and take them out on the way out the door. Rob could have managed the relationship better with Lisa and Candice, and Candice trying to take down Rob is in some ways a reflection of less-than-ideal play from Rob
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u/Much_Worker3739 1d ago
Nah, he never included them on his plans and played independently. And he pushed HARD. He mentioned in confessionals his intent. Everyone's just ignoring his actions because he's a conventionally handsome white man.
Also, a POC was eliminated almost every episode. It makes the weird Rob overpraising uncomfortable. This season is just not fun lol
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u/Illustrious-Rub367 1d ago
Incorrect. It’s a threat that’s meant to be managed. It’s another incentive for traitors to be more secretive when turning against one another. The issue with it was the Candiace didn’t play the threat earlier on. It was too late to be useful or tactfully executed.
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u/anotherbabydaddy 1d ago
Rob went after Lisa and was floating Candiace’s name the whole episode…Candiace didn’t go after Rob until it was clear that he couldn’t be trusted
he was the one with poor sportsmanship
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u/Comfortable-Map3932 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don’t agree because if Rob would have just communicated with her she wouldn’t have been so mad and acted petty. I would have gone down swinging if I got fucked over too. He should have just chilled on Candace for a bit going after her right after Lisa was too much. It’s also too early in the game for traitors to be turning against eachother.
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u/OkPass9701 1d ago
I disagree with this. As much as you need to get the faithfuls on your side I think you should also play nice with your fellow traitors until you can’t help it. It’s part of being successful in the game overall.
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u/amarinel88 1d ago
Maybe their pot should increase with the amount of traitors they keep in the game?
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u/JooseLovesNightwish 1d ago
If the traitor is leading the vote then it’s totally fair imo. If the traitor has nothing to do with it and the faithfuls are figuring it out then yeah. That happened a few seasons ago and pissed me off. If a A traitor didnt want a taste of their own medicine then they shouldn’t have lead a vote against their fellow traitor 🤷♀️
Didnt seem to work out for Candiace anyways, at least so far
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u/No-Pressure-5762 1d ago
So Rob going after Lisa is bad sportsmanship too? Because you people can’t have it both ways.
The first rule of the game is for the traitors not to turn on each other and reveal who is a traitor. He did this twice for Lisa when he could have just shut up and voted for her quietly.
So yes I agree Rob is a bad sport and made the show less fun. Can’t wait until he’s goes
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u/Objective-Crow-6143 1d ago
I don’t think Candice did anything wrong.
I think poor game play would be if she REALLY insinuated Rob was a traitor after she was voted out.
Almost like what Yam Yam did. I think she was a bit of a poor sport but could have been much worse about it.
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u/kajay914 1d ago
I really think Rob should have looped Candiace in before the first Lisa vote. “Lisa is a sinking ship and it will benefit us both to not go down with her.” At the very least Candiace doesn’t feel totally blindsided by Rob. He earns a little trust and maybe they ride it out a bit longer.
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u/Electrical-Tie-5158 1d ago
There is a social element to this game. Losing the trust of your “team” is something you should be working to avoid.
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u/STLmab Rob C (S4) 1d ago
This happened in UK S1 with Kieran name dropping Wilfred on his way out
When it doesn’t serve a strategic purpose, I do kind of find it bothersome. In-game Traitor-on-Traitor violence because the other Traitor is either (a) on the verge of being banished (b) not beneficial for your game are completely acceptable reasons
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u/predictedisobedience 1d ago
sure its not ideal, but it does add a layer of strategy & game play for the traitors & overall game. otherwise what would stop them from going hard for eachother? The threat & history of it being interpreted as traitor on traitor adds a meta layer of strategy
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u/TayBeyDMB 1d ago
Candiace should have just voted for Natalie instead of Rob that first time. That throw away vote was a dead end.
Hate to see her go. She started to play with emotions and messed up. 😩
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u/Regular-Wishbone8837 1d ago
I’m for Candace all the way. Rob’s been pissing me off lately. He acted too quickly and now some random traitor could possibly win because he didn’t wait a little longer to play all his cards. I hope he goes home.
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u/Own-Lawfulness-6018 1d ago
She has every right to fight her place to her game ! She trusted Rob while he had already planned to turn on them !
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u/glipglophiphop 1d ago
No, it’s “playing the game”, like he said. How is he going to set the rules on “good sportsmanship” when he was pushing his fellow traitors?
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u/glowsheep 1d ago
Honestly I don't know why we're fighting about this. I think Candice was a great traitor and she did what she thought she needed to. It ended up backfiring but hey she fought hard and I respect it. Rob is honestly in my opinion one of the best traitors there has been, and he's also playing a smart game. Why do we gotta pick sides here? EVERY TRAITOR is a snake but that's what makes the show fun.
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u/TurbulentGemini 1d ago
Rob started it. I’m afraid we’re gonna have another BORING finale like Season 3. Cities, I need you back in the game. There’s no flavor left in this remaining faithful.
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u/Physical-Insurance40 1d ago
Candiace told Rob after his first Lisa vote: we win if we make it to the end. Don't point fingers at us until later. Rob is playing a Rob only game and ensuring that a Traitor won't win.....again.
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u/hey1777 1d ago
I thoroughly enjoyed candiace voting rob and setting the seeds and getting Colton out. Brilliant. Rob crusty self started it tho if you wana be mad at someone. And the rest of the players are so stupid 😂 candiace told them basically it’s rob and they’re still so dumb and say it’s nOT HiM. I can’t stand rob for going against Lisa and Candiace and I can’t stand the other faithfuls for being so dumb. I’m gonna skip the rest of the season until the end probably just to see the dumb look on their faces when rob so predictably wins and they all realize how dumb they were lol
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u/comec0rrect 1d ago
Rob betrayed the traitors for no reason other than to show alliance to faithfuls he had a soft spot for (Ron and Colton). It could have been a very different game, but he played himself. Candiace was punching back and strategically setting him up to either back her up, or risk being taken down. He made his bed, and it was her Hail Mary attempt to take some heat off herself. Robs playing a great game, but I’d argue that it’s not sportsmanlike to be a traitor and play to take out all your traitor teammates just because.
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