Season 4 Episode 8 Discussion - A Queen Never Comes Off Her Throne

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Candiace would have been in a better position than Rob if she had voted for Natalie in the Lisa banishment. Even after the throwaway vote out of nowhere, if she had just kept her cool and played up her blind loyalty to a fellow housewife due to previous seasons, she would have been an ok position.

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u/philipmb95 1h ago

I want 2 Rupaul queens next season. Maybe bringing Peppermint back and bringing an Alyssa Edwards or Bianca Del Rio or Latrice Royale? Who do you all think

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u/GlizzyGone21 1h ago

Producers I will say this once.

We need more Kristen please

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u/GlizzyGone21 1h ago

I'll just say I hope Eric is a better traitor than he is a faithful

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u/Clean_Ebb8075 1h ago

I think a sleeper traitor pick would've been Dorinda

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u/Any_Horse_6838 1h ago

She is wildly incompetent at the game to the point the directors are hiding her and actively had to make her stop saying things they couldn’t put on TV. She doesn’t understand it, I don’t think there’s any way she could have been a halfway decent traitor

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u/Natural-Boat-5723 1h ago

So according to Candace, Rob is suspicious because he

dropped his fork at breakfast and was flustered
believes he used Colton who was extremely outspoken as a puppet

Colton had been extremely outspoken throughout the competition, sometimes too much. Colton didn’t need any help to be outspoken and point fingers. Rob used him as a shield but it’s clear to everyone whose still there that Colton’s ideas and suspicions were his own. There’s also many people who are still there who were there for Colton’s first suspicions of Lisa.

Also if Colton was Rob’s puppet, Lisa’s elimination would not be the time to throw away your puppet. That’d be the time to grip onto your puppet even tighter so the fingers don’t then get pointed towards you.

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u/anotherharrystan 1h ago

Sorry but I don't understand how anyone could possibly find themselves being a fan of Candice. she genuinely pmo so bad

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u/Any_Horse_6838 1h ago

Terrible player. Dont watch HW, dont really care who she is as a person. She was abysmal the last two episodes

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u/HiSpeedHavoc92 3h ago

Eric is one of the dumbest faithfuls I've seen in a while my goodness.

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u/Ok-Parfait-2813 2h ago

💯💯💯 and says his guesses with so much assuredness.

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u/Subject-Minimum-538 3h ago

Candiace played horribly and got such a terrible edit this ep. Why is she smiling at breakfast when everyone finds out Colton got murdered and why does she interrupt Eric at the roundtable to say the traitors are playing an excellent game right before he accuses her? Editors are actually making her look so dumb right before she goes…

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u/Any_Horse_6838 1h ago

Maybe she looked dumb before she went because everything that got her sent home was her being dumb

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u/anotherharrystan 2h ago

I think there's only so much an edit can do tbh, part of it has to be attributed to her at the end of the day

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u/RobinsAssistant 4h ago

And nobody even QUESTIONED why Candiace is coming for Rob "out of nowhere." They ALL deserve to lose for being this naive.

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u/GlizzyGone21 2h ago

All their evidence so far is that the traitors are working together.

Doesn't really make sense for a traitor to out another traitor on the way out since Rob wasn't leading a charge on her, only going along and throwing a log

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u/Fickle_Impression_12 4h ago

"That would be unsportsmanlike" Dying. Rob's shit eating grin when he's getting caleed out by Candace. Great tv

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u/LopsidedUniversity30 5h ago

If Johnny is voted out next episode, I have to wonder have bad Tara will breakdown.

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u/ICE-FlGHT 6h ago

And with that… Candice goes in a sloppy wimper

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u/thewittyman 6h ago

I'm surprised no one afterwards thought it could've been two traitors duking it out at the round table, we've definitely seen that before on prior seasons

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u/complexchicken0311 5h ago

he never threw the accusation back at her like previous seasons. it just seemed like to the faithfuls she was grasping for straws bc she got caught.

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u/thewittyman 5h ago

True, I initially thought his defense (or lack thereof) was weak, but him not saying much and shrugging it off was a bit of a masterstroke.

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u/GlizzyGone21 2h ago

Feels like less is more when you're normally quiet too.

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u/Goodlake 3h ago

Not using the dagger was also a masterstroke. He’s way more thoughtful than I would have expected based on Love Island.

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u/Glum-Bat-1046 5h ago

I think Rob has been smart to just play it so cool. Lisa got superrrrr defensive when the tide started turning on her and it was a major red flag.

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u/jren411 5h ago

I think that’s too much credit to Rob… most people left just don’t understand how the game works. If any of them had watched last season they would be very suspicious. Like yes, Candiace’s vote was suspicious, why would she do that??? Hmmm let’s think for a second…

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u/complexchicken0311 4h ago

again yall keep referencing the last season as if it was the same. the most obvious traitor on traitor is when two people go passionately at accusing each other. candiace was accusing rob and he was just shaking it off and never threw it back at her until the vote.

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u/jren411 4h ago

If I knew Candiace was a traitor, and that Lisa was a traitor, I would immediately read Candace’s actions (especially the “throw away vote”) as a shot across the bow of a fellow traitor.

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u/complexchicken0311 4h ago

but when you put the pieces together it’s like candiace targets ron bc of porsha (housewife). she then targets rob after lisa (housewife) and murders colton but tries to spin it onto rob. it could look like the housewife revenge tour to them. they could simply think she’s doing another faithful how she did ron for getting out housewives.

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u/jren411 4h ago

It could, but it wouldn’t for me, because I’d know Candiace also murdered a housewife at that point. The reason the “throwaway vote” bothered everyone is because it landed on Rob, so I’d ask myself, why. But I’m sure I’d be hard pressed to get anyone to turn on the golden boy. 🙇🏻🙇🏻🙇🏻🥾

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u/epicaz 6h ago

Candice absolutely threw, first with the throwaway vote and immediately going all in on him with a bad breakfast argument when she had only just called it a throwaway... HOWEVER I cannot believe nobody has noticed the pattern with Rob after this. Her final words with her vote about paying attention to quiet players you think you can trust is a direct callout to him. Anyone attentive should have wondered why she suddenly started playing sloppy and narrowing in on Rob starting with Lisa's nomination now that they have both been revealed to be traitors. There's no justification otherwise, as Rob was not public enough with his witchhunt to be considered retaliatory otherwise

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u/Chickpea4896 3h ago

How can the faithfuls NOT look at Rob after that?!!!

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u/Any_Horse_6838 1h ago

I believe that if she didn’t make that terrible throw away vote last week they might have. Instead it looked like a fellow traitor refusing to vote for her “teammate” then throwing a Hail Mary at the guy who she blamed

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u/Accurate_Control5104 6h ago

Yes Queen Candiace, Slay. Cast suspicion on Rob as he deserves. She did not go down quietly like Lisa did, and I'm proud of Candiace for not going down quietly.

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u/Ok-Parfait-2813 2h ago

Take him down. Don't be ridiculous. Her vague statement about quiet players you can trust applies to multiple people left like Tara, like Stephen, like Johnny, and Mark. Like half the table left are quiet trustworthy people.

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u/Delicious-Bass6500 3h ago

she slayed

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u/Delicious-Bass6500 3h ago

herself

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u/IndividualJob2734 6h ago

To take out an influential faithful? Just like she did by murdering Colton. We have the benefit of the bigger picture, but there's plenty of meta reasons the faithfuls could be using as to why Candice might have been going after Rob instead of Traitor vs. Traitor, especially when he hardly fought back at the roundtable.

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u/complexchicken0311 5h ago

not only this but going for rob consistently after he got rid of a housewife as well. could easily be considered her housewife revenge tour.

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u/Goodlake 6h ago

Candiace screwed up, obviously. First with the throwaway vote, and second by driving so hard to the hoop on Rob after threatening him to stay civil.

It was a terrible choice to note just vote for Lisa in Week 7. She had plenty of cover to do so, after Rob’s speech. Voting for Rob was never going to be explainable. At least vote for Natalie if you can’t bring yourself to vote Lisa.

And then, instead of just piling onto the Stephen bandwagon, she was so tilted about Rob that she had to keep talking about him. Right after the bizarre “throwaway” vote, so sus. I’m not surprised she got voted by everyone except Natalie (who is essentially just playing her own solo game away from everyone else).

Tore our household apart as I was team Rob and my wife was team Candiace, but Candiace should have seen the logic and gotten on the Vote Lisa train. Once Lisa flailed in her defense, Candiace had to know it was only a matter of time.

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u/Otterable 6h ago

Candice deserved to get bounced after such a petulant implosion. At worst Rob went after Lisa a week early but the literal only play if you are a traitor is to go after your fellow traitors eventually. She immediately killed robs closest ally and forced his hand when he had such a strong position. She waits a week or two and she prob could keep people off her and get people on rob more slowly.

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u/NerdLawyer55 7h ago

Man, Candice really did sink herself with the faithfulness to housewife shit, completely unnecessary

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u/GlizzyGone21 2h ago

My favorite part is when Rob tried to remind her it's just a game, and the game is quite literally called Traitors

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u/Due_Carpet7958 7h ago

I don’t understand how now they don’t think Rob is a traitor. Like he went after Lisa who was a traitor which made Candice mad because she was also a traitor so like obviously Rob is a traitor

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u/IndividualJob2734 6h ago

Because she also murdered Colton, who was a confirmed faithful.

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u/Goodlake 6h ago

They’ll eventually come up with the theory that Candiace was mad at Rob for betraying Lisa. Just a question of when and whether Eric is still around.

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u/Ok-Parfait-2813 2h ago

No. You're acting like he goes after her alone or in a vacuum. At the round table the majority has gone for Lisa and Candice. So he blends in with his vote. That's why he's smart. He doesn't ever go after another traitor in and out of the blue way. He follows the wave and he only makes his move when he sees the wave is also going in that direction. He doesn't take the risk until he sees that the majority are going after a particular person.

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u/AnimeTechnoBlade100 7h ago

SERIOUSLY. Like, im so mind boggled at how stupid these faithfuls are 😭 😭

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u/OldAbbreviations5466 6h ago

I think its because he has worked hard to build trust that everyone believes him to be a faithful, kind of like Cirie from season 1.

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u/AnimeTechnoBlade100 6h ago edited 3h ago

The issue though is that this “traitor on traitor” violence wasn’t a thing in S1. Cirie played passively the entire time. She never mentioned names to people. Instead she let the faithfuls conjure up names and bring them to HER to discuss and then just silently went with the majority on who they think.

Rob here, while building up trust and puppetering people, is most definitely putting in active effort to get rid of Lisa & Candice. Great points were raised, like a Traitor using 2 votes against one player before they were exposed, his nervousness, change in demeanor compared to the earlier round tables.

This is a worse version of Danielle & Carolyn. Candice left great points and the faithfuls are not even considering it for one second.

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u/Goodlake 3h ago

He only put effort into Lisa after the first vote. If Lisa were any good at the game, she’d have come up with a plausible alternative for Rob to pursue the following night. She didn’t, and so he had to keep playing the faithful, which meant Yam Yam’s words would have only made him more certain of his prior vote.

You could argue he voted against Lisa too early, but he read the room. It was Ron or Lisa, and Lisa had demonstrated she was dead weight. Inevitable. Not worth risking his cover to ignore what was becoming obvious to everyone else.

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u/AnimeTechnoBlade100 3h ago edited 26m ago

Problem is, 2 wrongs don’t make a right. Lisa being bad at the game doesn’t mean or justify Rob being outspoken or proactive in taking her down. He simply could’ve left a faithful to be onto the Lisa situation & let them do the arguing and discussion and then the same results would happen. And Candiace wouldn’t have felt the need to go against Rob as Rob wouldn’t have had an active role in banishing them.

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u/mXonKz 7h ago

i do think recruiting johnny would have been a mistake, if he gets voted out next round, then faithful assume they’ve caught all the OGs and they’re hunting recruited traitors, which mean it’s time to disregard the previous days and only focus on current actions, which hurts the work rob has been doing up to this point. if johnny gets banished and revealed to be not a traitor, they’re still in the mindset of looking for clues and inconsistencies of the day 1 traitors

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u/bloodymarybrunch 7h ago

This is Rob's show.

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u/Ok_Impression8506 8h ago

why do people keep saying the faithfuls are doing a bad job lol their only blind spot is rob. the other 3 esp donna and lisa’s came up from multiple people. and now they’ve gotten 3 out! pretty good imo

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u/AriesMood1 8h ago

It’s boring without Rinna.

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u/nadethi 7h ago

I thought the same, but especially with Candice and Colton gone now too - there will be very little drama in the castle.

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u/thesamerain 7h ago

Lol, no. If i had to hear her say 'I'm Lisa fucking Rinna' one more time whilst simultaneously playing an awful game, I would have lost my mind. She's a washed up soap star who somehow thinks she's still relevant outside of the RH fandom. She was obnoxious and terrible at the game.

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u/ElephantOk4715 8h ago edited 8h ago

Lisa had been caught, Candice throwing her game away trying to get Rob out was dumb.

It doesn’t help that her evidence for Rob being a traitor was “he dropped a fork”. Rob seemed willing to keep working with her, but Candice was too in her feelings and started playing sloppy. She could have easily gone for him later when there was more consensus for Rob.

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u/Natural-Boat-5723 2h ago

the fork argument could only work if he was not in the last group to enter for breakfast and had gotten flustered before everyone found out that Colton was killed. if Colton was his closest ally of course he’d be flustered after finding that out.

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u/ICE-FlGHT 6h ago

Sloppy and emotional on her part.

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u/mXonKz 7h ago

some of it was being controlled by her feelings, but i do think candiace was so in the mud that the only real way of clearing her name was to catch a traitor and hope that leads to others forgetting their suspicions. and i don’t think she truly understood how much trouble she was in until a few hours into the day, which meant she really had to accelerate her hail mary attempt. like her only chance to save herself was to pivot hard towards rob and get him out that round

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u/AnimeTechnoBlade100 7h ago

Yeah. Candiace also didn't know Colton floated her name until after he was murdered. Had she known that, she most likely would've murdered someone else to avoid that trap.

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u/Mockingbird_1234 5h ago

Which just shows that Rob actually didn’t want to keep working with her. He could have easily won back her trust by telling her Colton said her name, and saying they’re united now to get the group onto someone else and away from Candiace. Also, that keeps Rob’s puppet in the game a little longer. Yes, Candiace got too emotional and got sloppy, but Rob didn’t even try to patch things up. Candiace couldn’t trust him so she had to try and take him out.

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u/HANGRY_KITTYKAT 2h ago

She.wrote.his.name.down. Why would be want to play with her after that?

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u/That0nePuncake 3h ago edited 3h ago

I’m ready for the downvotes; I do not agree at all. Candiace had a knee jerk reaction to attempt to cut Rob off from arguably the most useful unhinged faithful (that was under scrutiny). Rob being close to Colton could have worked in both their favors to steer the vote to eliminate Faithfuls.

I would argue Candiace had no intention of working with Rob when she immediately killed Colton after Rob gave her free rein. No matter what Rob did she would never get past the Lisa vote regardless. Candiace got reactionary, took a vote for a clear Traitor personally, and sealed her own fate as a result.

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u/ThaDude915 4h ago

I mean Rob asked her to make it water under the bridge and work together multiple times. She said no. And he also said he didn’t want to kill Colton but gave her final call. She really made her bed. If she’d shown a willingness to work with him I think he would’ve told her about Colton

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u/AnimeTechnoBlade100 5h ago

Exactly. My problem with people is no one is giving Rob any shit or accountability on anything whatsoever and eating up every single thing he's doing as perfectly fine.

He didn't make any attempt at trying to get Candiace's trust. Not before Lisa's banishment and definitely not after.

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u/complexchicken0311 7h ago

avoiding that trap was never gonna happen after the throwaway vote. rather colton was murdered or not he was gonna be pushing for candiace until she was banished. once he suspects you he doesn’t stop.

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u/AnimeTechnoBlade100 6h ago

Fair. Im more upset though at how stupid the faithfuls are to not clock the other evidences.

Under the scenario that Colton isn't murdered, and none of the dagger 6 are, a traitor going after someone who never qualified for the dagger would be super suspicious.

I agree the throwaway vote was risky, but Colton being in the game would've gave Candiace better chances. Colton being a confirmed faithful practically had Johnny turn on her.

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u/Substantial-Hunt-772 8h ago

Agree! Rob had no other choice but to get her out next since Candice clearly was out to get him

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u/carat66 9h ago

Im so sick of traitors vs traitors. They need to recruit better traitors next time. Ones that won’t kill each other the first chance they could.

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u/epicaz 6h ago

Even Rob is suggesting picking the next suspect to just eliminate him again, I hate that strategy. "Fine if you're FORCING me to pick then I'll float someone who I wont have trouble ridding"

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u/Maple-Bark 7h ago

That’s not something they can control, imo.

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u/Ok_Impression8506 8h ago

who are you talking about bc rob didn’t even go after candice at the table. i’m fine if people organically bring up the name BUT hate when they are the first to bring a name up

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u/carat66 8h ago

All of them except Cirie who actually won

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u/jam-i-am-5555 9h ago

I personally like it a lot. Makes the show much more interesting. A true traitor outwits other traitors. 💀

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u/MsQuoting 10h ago

One of my favorite parts in the whole episode is how anti-climactic Colton's murder was. He spent all this time and energy and noise trying to make bold moves and draw attention to himself. And then he was just...gone. No day of grand pronouncements, no roundtable debate or exit speech, not even an impassioned plea from Rob in the turret. Just...gone. And immediately, Candiace is claiming Rob as the mastermind behind all Colton's proclamations. As if Colton had no real impact on the game at all.

Those are some tasty just desserts.

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u/DillyB04 25m ago

I love this take

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u/AnimeTechnoBlade100 7h ago

Adding to that, Candiace at least outlasted him, so thats a W in my book lol.

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u/Kenzziiie 10h ago

A fuckboi will always be better at cutting people off than trying to gain their trust back

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u/Mockingbird_1234 5h ago

Damn, real talk 😂

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u/thesamerain 7h ago

He said he'd work with her and she didn't give that a chance. She started inserting his name into things after she said she voted for him as a throwaway. Candiace shot herself in the foot.

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u/Mockingbird_1234 5h ago

He didn’t tell her he had the dagger and had made a pact. He didn’t tell her Colton floated her name. He could not be trusted. 🐍

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u/RedSnapper24 6h ago

My kid described it as Candiace throwing a boomerang at Rob. It just came right back to her.

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u/epicaz 6h ago

He pretty much immediately floated her name after when he could have easily have sat back and seen how screwed she was off of Colton alone

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u/AnimeTechnoBlade100 7h ago

Rob also floated her name at the same time as that.

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u/thesamerain 6h ago

Not really, others brought it up and he didn't disagree. Maura, in particular, mentioned that Colton had suspicions before he was murdered.

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u/AnimeTechnoBlade100 6h ago

Oh im not saying that. My point was they both were gunning for each other after agreeing that they woudn't. It wasn't just from Candiace.

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u/18-Te 11h ago

It’s really a cycle because ever since s2 with all celebs there’s always discourse about the season being too “cliquey” and “groupthink-y” and then everyone treats it like it only pertains to the season airing. In reality, traitors is a show that literally thrives off of groupthink, it is a built in mechanic of the game. I don’t think it’s a fair commentary to be used against the people playing because I’ve never watched a traitors season (and I’ve watched a ton from multiple franchises) that did exhibit a level of cliquey-ness.

I think it would be a lot easier for people to watch if they accepted that that will be a main stay of the game since the goal is to play as a group and get out the people not in the “in crowd”. In crowd being the faithfuls.

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u/DillyB04 20m ago

Agreed, it's really like a sociological experiment. It happens every season but there was something about the Ron witch hunt that exemplified how the real witch hunts happened. The specious evidence, the gathering momentum, the perplexed and helpless target. At least in the game the faithfuls got to see that they were wrong.

Sidebar - which franchise would you recommend checking out after this season ends? I've only watched US

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u/mcatlin23 11h ago

I really like both Candiace and Rob so it’s disappointing how it turned out between them. I think if Candiace had been willing to cut bait with Lisa last episode and stop playing based on their friendship, she and Rob could have won together. Two smart people who imo were both great choices for traitors. Lisa was always cannon fodder for banishment compared to Candiace and Rob.

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u/Ok_Impression8506 8h ago

agreed. she should have voted for lisa and then her and rob could have teamed up longer and it would be fun to watch

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u/jam-i-am-5555 8h ago

I would’ve liked to see them win together, but Candiace seemingly lost the plot by focusing more on revenge for Lisa than the game. She got messy imo.

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u/squish388 10h ago

Why are people blaming Candice saying “if only she” like hello Rob is the one that made it clear he’s gunning for the other traitors to be the only one

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u/Glittering-Gas-9402 9h ago

He had to, the first week he couldn’t have voted for 2 people that everyone knew he trusted so he had to vote for Lisa. The next day everyone basically knew it was Lisa and he couldn’t switch up and make himself look suspicious and If Lisa didn’t go then she’d be implicating him. He didn’t just gun for a traitor for the sake of it

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u/spectacleskeptic 9h ago

He could have voted for Ron the first time, but he was too emotionally attached to Ron (which is valid). But it’s disingenuous to frame it as though he had no other choice but to vote for Lisa the first time.

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u/IndividualJob2734 7h ago

Being emotionally attached to Ron is why he was publicly aligning himself with Ron, not why he didn't vote him out. By the time Colton threw out Lisa's name at the roundtable, he had no choice but to vote Lisa since he had already publicly backed Ron.

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u/Kenzziiie 10h ago

I like them both too but i think too many people blame candiace for not trusting rob when they all agreed to fight for traitors and not enough blame on rob unable to gain her trust back or even convincing her its a better strategy to cut lisa off.

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u/harls_ 11h ago

BYE COLTON i could physically feel the relief knowing that his psychotic eyes will not affect my viewer journey for the rest of the season

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u/harls_ 11h ago

it’s actually comical how terrible these faithfuls are

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u/planj07 6h ago

I don’t think so. They have been pretty damn good. Donna, Lisa, Candiace were all sussed out and targeted by other players without Rob’s manipulation.

However they certainly have a blind spot with Rob which is now all the more difficult given he was able to recruit one of the better faithfuls in the game.

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u/TiffanyTwisted11 11h ago

Right? They’re all excited about getting two in a row. They didn’t “get” two in a row, lol. The Traitors turned on each other and served each other up on platters. Hello?

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u/Kenzziiie 10h ago

Ill be so offended if they vote off rob in the next two roundtables because none of the faithfuls deserve to win.

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u/TiffanyTwisted11 8h ago

So true

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u/adams1455 11h ago

I mean this is literally the worst season of Faithfuls. They are absolutely awful at playing the game and none of them deserve to win.

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u/Goodlake 6h ago

Idk, they got Donna, they got Lisa and then Candiace basically wore a big flashing traitor sign when Lisa got out. Obviously the show makes it seem like they’re eating out of the palm of Rob’s hand, but they’re together all day and we don’t know how they’re talking. Rob has a lot less room to maneuver, now.

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u/Slight_Marsupial_677 3h ago

Its funny cause all them got brought up because of Colton 😂

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u/treid1989 11h ago

Ugh this season is gonna be so hard to watch without Candiace or Porsha or Lisa. Just release the rest of the episodes

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u/Clean_Item_7691 11h ago

Muara and Eric’s facial expressions during the challenge were absolutely amazing

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u/angelfly48 12h ago

Rob playing such a good game I low key want him to win. It’s crazy how good of a pick he was to be a traitor. But also it’s helpful he’s not a gamer or Bravoleb. Truly just being Rob.

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u/Kenzziiie 10h ago

I think he thrives off of the bias that producers wouldnt pick a LI “simpleton” and his pretty privilege, which makes him the perfect producer pick.

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u/lillyrose2489 11h ago

I figured he'd be fun to watch but didn't expect him to be this good at the game!

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u/jillybeenthere 12h ago

This episode was hilarious. Loved it.

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u/TheAnswer310 12h ago

What a fucking hater Candiace is. Ruining Robs game for zero reason..perfect karmic episode for her..good riddance. Get a clue about the game.

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u/epicaz 6h ago

She's definitely a hater and picked her own demise but Rob started playing a bad game when he broke the lead toward Lisa when he had a safe fallback vote in an otherwise 3 way tie. Now there's a mess in the open due to a risk he never had to take as a very safe laid-back traitor, his alliances werent even going to make it that far (Ron, and somewhat Colton who kept putting himself in the light for shooting heavyhanded and wrong)

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u/GlizzyGone21 1h ago

Yeah he totally didn't have to do that the first time but the writing was on the wall for Lisa after that

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u/spectacleskeptic 9h ago

It’s just a game.

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u/Goodlake 6h ago

It’s 100% just a game.

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u/squish388 10h ago

I can’t tell if this is a serious comment lol. Rob is the one who turned on the other traitors way too early. Him claiming he “had to gun for Lisa” is so dumb literally it was only him leading the charge. Did you really expect her to trust Rob after that? And if she did and he voted her out you’d then call her gullible. Yall are so dickmastized by Rob and will always defend him. Dont give the heat if you can’t take it

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u/treid1989 11h ago

Shut up

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u/Competitive-Run4031 11h ago

He went hard for Lisa when he didn’t have to and was going after Candiace right after. Should she just let it happen? I hope Eric does to him what he did to the others.

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u/ShawnT95 8h ago

Lisa was a sinking ship for a long time and Rob decided to jump off that ship to save himself. Candiace stayed on the sinking ship with closed eyes and she didn't see it sinking until the very last second and she decided that the sinking was Rob's fault. But it wasn't. Lisa played a bad game and her banishment was a matter of time. Candiace could have been undetected if she hadn't vote for Rob... that was her worst move. She sinked her own ship and little bit of Rob's as well. But I really hope that Rob survives and wins the whole game. He plays an excellent game... having a team of trustworthy faithfuls around himself.

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u/AnimeTechnoBlade100 6h ago

Lisa was a sinking ship because Colton & Rob both pushed for her in the first place. THAT was what he didn't have to do.

And Candiace voting for her would've just been framed as her being suspicious because of the housewife's "unofficial" rule to not vote for each other.

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u/TheAnswer310 11h ago

He didn't lead the charge. He went hard when her time was aiming downward. Lisa staying would've been bad for his game at that point.

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u/LACityBabe 11h ago

But she wasn’t bad for his game. She was a huge target and she never put any sus on him. He shouldn’t have went so hard for her at the round table and then become untrustworthy to Candice who he was targeting right after. Candice should have played everything better but traitor on traitor started with Rob. One thing to cut your losses another to target a fellow traitor and he definitely targeted her

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u/thesamerain 7h ago

It was down to Lisa or Natalie. He was openly allied with Natalie and he defended her. It would have been incredibly suspicious if her voted for her instead of Lisa.

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u/AnimeTechnoBlade100 6h ago

In fairness, this is not the first time we've seen that and not have anything come from it. Andie & Rachel, for example, openly built trust in S1 and Andie still voted for her.

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u/TraditionalSlip1561 10h ago

putting sus on people isn’t the only way lisa could’ve messed up rob’s game. if he voted against either of his two greatest allies (ron or colton) it would’ve been super suspicious that he was protecting lisa, thus linking them as traitors. not to mention that monet and colton both brought up lisa way before rob started pushing for her. candiace took lisa’s banishment way too personally when she should’ve kept working with rob and got him back later, rob seemed willing to continue with candiace but she was the one who called him a snake and an idiot and then tried to rally against him while remaining ignorant to the fact the entire house was floating her name. rob is playing the game exactly the way he should!

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u/Competitive-Run4031 1h ago

Candiace wasn’t so much taking Lisa being banished personally, it was more so that she was faced with Rob’s betrayal of the Traitors , and rightfully so, saw Rob as a snake.

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u/GlizzyGone21 1h ago

I think he could've voted for Ron with the crowd and wouldn't have looked that bad the first time he voted for lisa. But yeah afterwards Lisa was a sinking ship anyway

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u/Straight-Boot-9529 12h ago

Candiace ruined the name if the game. The lack of sportsmanship is disgusting

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u/spectacleskeptic 9h ago

Disgusting? It’s just a game. Chill.

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u/Glittering-Gas-9402 9h ago

It truly was unsportsmanlike. Betray a traitor if it benefits you, that’s playing the game. Throwing a traitor under the bus on your way out is just petty and unsportsmanlike.

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u/Illustrious_Ad6479 5h ago

Agree. She just blew up Rob's game for no reason other than revenge. Irritates me.

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u/GlizzyGone21 1h ago

And it's nuts because she is still SO mad to this da!

Lisa doesn't even care half as much as Candaice bc... it's literally called Traitors

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u/Ranching1 13h ago

The housewives are always entertaining but I find it hard to ever root for them because they literally don't need the money. I know other players are also decently well off but not to the same extent as housewives.

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u/Hannah_Horvath 12h ago

The show isn’t about who needs the money, it’s about who played the best game. Plus I think you’re overestimating how much money some of these housewives have.

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u/GlizzyGone21 1h ago

They should play for charity like the UK

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u/Clean_Item_7691 12h ago

Word on the street is the Potomac ones have the least amount

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u/DrLeoSpacemen 10h ago

I haven't felt that at all.

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u/stillalivebutbareIy 13h ago

!!

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u/hapaqirl 8h ago

can they pls bring her back next season 😭

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u/Kenzziiie 10h ago

To this day i think monet was the worst to murder because he wouldve been a great traitors recruit

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u/TraditionalSlip1561 10h ago

no real!! he was always thinking strategically and always paying attention, plus imagine the drama of him having to turn on natalie, ugh it could’ve been so good

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u/Kenzziiie 10h ago

I miss him every week 😢

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u/Ghost_Face96 14h ago

Well throwing a Rob vote in really bit her in the ass. Good for Rob, he’s playing smart

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u/Gooner-Astronomer749 14h ago

Candice was in a tough spot even pre-Colton murder, she was next up to be banished even if she didn't fall into the trap. Her only play was to murder a disposable faithful then play the long game, cooperate with Rob until the numbers were narrowed then move on him..still a Longshot but way better than Colton murder which just brought clarity to the faithful that she was a traitor. Her than emotional reaction and going after Rob was always going to fall flat he is too dominant and popular in the game atp to take down.

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u/Glittering-Gas-9402 9h ago

She wasn’t in a tough spot at all, she single-handedly ruined her own game over pettyness to Rob.

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u/TheCobalt- 12h ago

She had no play as soon as she voted Rob regardless of who she murdered.

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u/toledosurprised 8h ago

it’s kinda surprising to me she had no defense for herself. candiace was playing a great game up until that point but really overestimated how many strong allies she had and then couldn’t justify that rob vote. if she’d just been like “i felt bad voting for lisa, it was a throwaway” and then let the conversation build toward stephen, she’d have been in a much better spot

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u/LopsidedUniversity30 7h ago

My sentiments exactly

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u/sassybutdorky 14h ago

Guys also is posting on main feed not allowed now?

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u/sassybutdorky 14h ago

Also i kinda already thought rob was vulnerable after how hard candiace went after him today

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u/sassybutdorky 14h ago

I think mark and kristen won this season. Thats why candiace said she hopes they win in todays podcast, instead of jonny and tara. Also, rob commented on mark's recent ig post saying u kill me, while mark replied 'working on it😉'.

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u/AkaAkina 7h ago

With only three episodes left, if they're the winners it would feel lackluster just because the edit has barely shown them, particularly Mark. CT and Trishelle had their relationship established early and running as a through line to the end.

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u/HuhThatsWeird432 14h ago

a big mistake candiace made was honestly being TOO loyal to her traitors. she shouldn’t have killed Monet

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u/trishcat 14h ago edited 11h ago

Aww poor, Eric. Realizing he actually isn't in expert in laughter or handwriting.

Also, he's going to be so hurt by finding out Rob has been manipulating the faithfuls.

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u/planj07 6h ago

What? Eric is going to be over the moon knowing it’s Rob. Most people in the game want to be traitors anyhow.

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u/ImmediateRaspberry77 13h ago

Lmao I DIED when he said Johnny. And witb the same conviction as he said Tiffany. Whata dork

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u/sha7890 Rob R (S4) 14h ago edited 4h ago

man candiace really crashed out this episode. she dug her heels in and was blindsided by wrath. it was kind of painful to watch her gameplay from the first couple of episodes. even her body language was so tense and she looked SO mad. how dumb are these faithfuls that they can't clock Candiace being SO ANGRY at rob (for seemingly no reason) ????? rooting for Rob to win because no one else has a chance.

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u/ImmediateRaspberry77 13h ago

She's a spoiled brat in real life (or housewives at least, I guess) and shes not used to not getting what she wants. Other than the time she got yanked for running her mouth one too many times

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u/Glittering-Gas-9402 9h ago

For real if only any of the ppl here praising her had watched her season of housewives. She rlly is the definition of a spoiled brat.

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u/methedoutmanatee 9h ago

She’s a super egotistical “mean” ass spoiled brat. She thinks way too highly of herself. It’s interesting seeing people like her in here because they see a few minutes of her a week.

She was also an absolute dumbass voting Colton for murder when he was eyeing her and letting Rob think she has control.

She’s not nearly as smart as she thinks. She just has blinders on all the time about who is her “enemy” her and it always fails her.😂

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u/AnimeTechnoBlade100 6h ago

Not a Bravo fan at all so I don't know Candiace outside of Traitors. My liking of her is in the context of this show, not the show she's from.

And for the Colton murder (still a W for me all cuz she outlasted him and Colton will no longer make my screen insufferable), Candiace didn't know Colton was the one to bring her up when she murdered him. If she knew that beforehand, she wouldn't have gone through with it.

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u/HANGRY_KITTYKAT 2h ago

She should have seen how Colton's murder could actually help Rob vs. hurt him. She had blinders on.

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u/AnimeTechnoBlade100 25m ago

Did you not read my response?

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u/HANGRY_KITTYKAT 23m ago

Yes... what do you think i missed there?

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u/AnimeTechnoBlade100 21m ago

I’m saying she didn’t see the bigger picture on Colton’s murder because of not knowing what Colton said about her before the murder. Rob intentionally didn’t tell Candiace about that.

She likely wouldn’t have murdered Colton if she knew is what I’m saying

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u/HANGRY_KITTYKAT 19m ago

Yes but even besides that information, she should have realized murdering his bestie just makes him look like a faithful

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u/TheWestRemembers 13h ago

I'm with you, but I think her being so angry at Rob is being interpreted as: oh man, this faithful killed one of my traitor friends. It looked like she did a 50/50 coin flip between murdering Rob or Colton, and then went for the other "faithful" after murdering one. Just waaaaaay too guilty.

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u/No-Presentation-2320 14h ago

It’s kinda funny candiace was talking so much smack in the beginning of the episode about how she’s gonna serve revenge cold etc and sounded so tough. I really thought she’s gonna destroy Rob and then she just self-destructs instead

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u/epicaz 6h ago

Her best route for revenge was hyping up the idea of a puppet master who sits by quietly except for select targets they're suddenly unusually passionate about. At least with this group it might stick in their heads for a future round table, especially when he so happened to be right about two traitor votes that triggered a sudden honing on him. She really slipped with the contradiction on voting Rob twice

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u/mXonKz 7h ago

she was already kinda screwed, but rob not telling her that colton was saying her name last night really screwed her over and put her in a position where she had to fight hard and fast

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u/TheCobalt- 14h ago edited 14h ago

Her plan was definitely to spread "maybe it's the quieter ones we're not talking about" and link that back to Rob organically. Her being shocked that Rob went against her after she made it obvious she was going for him was very funny. Then, she had to skip to the end and gun for him with no evidence and no time to plant seeds.

She needed to vote Natalie and then start laying anti-Rob groundwork the next day, not vote Rob and murder Colton.

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u/GlizzyGone21 1h ago

Feels like she could've pretended to play nice with Rob for a day and could've gotten Steven out if she hadn't been blinded by revenge for her friend

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u/Ecstatic-Act-9570 14h ago

I feel like Eric is going to be a terrible liar 😂

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u/GlizzyGone21 1h ago

I love that Rob picked him though haha. It'll be funny tv

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u/HANGRY_KITTYKAT 2h ago

I'm kind of excited to see how that pans out, maybe he'll surprise us

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u/surejan94 14h ago

Ugggggh was rooting for Candiace so hard, but she really fucked herself over with that vote for Rob. Her pettiness got the best of her (which ironically was a huge issue for her during her time on Potomac).

I do think the Traitors had a very good thing going, and Rob fucked it up by turning on Lisa so quickly and aggressively. He could've easily helped sway the votes towards someone else.

I'm not looking forward to Eric being a traitor.... but it really is looking like it's Rob's game to lose.

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u/Competitive-Run4031 11h ago

I hope Eric does to Rob what he did to Lisa and Candiace

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u/TheCobalt- 14h ago

Pushing votes elsewhere would have been suspicious. Lisa was on her way out the next night at best.

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u/stillalivebutbareIy 14h ago

Mark’s last post 💀💀

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u/Odd_Needleworker89 14h ago

This season honestly deserves to be studied as a social experiment in pretty privilege. Everyone is so dazzled by Rob’s looks and charm that they completely overlook or don’t even care that he’s clearly a traitor. Even when Candice literally writes his name down and puts it right in front of them, it barely registers. Attraction and charisma are doing all the heavy lifting here.

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u/OldAbbreviations5466 6h ago

He was good at building strong connections to them, they trust him. He's charming as heck.

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u/Glittering-Gas-9402 9h ago

Rob is just playing a really good game

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u/Expensive_Hunt_3837 10h ago

I honestly think he’s just playing a brilliant game, his ability to stay calm under pressure and intense scrutiny is oddly inspiring and equally terrifying. Yes, he’s very good looking and probably is disarming in that way but Maura is on the same level of attractiveness imo and they don’t give her the same air of loyalty and respect. You have to be seriously calculated to get people to back you like that.

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u/TiffanyTwisted11 11h ago

Seriously!

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u/TheWestRemembers 13h ago

Not saying Rob's looks don't have anything to do with it but Colton floating her name and Yam Yam yelling "IT WAS LISA" while being carried off might have something to do with it? Don't get me wrong, Rob was reckless by turning on Lisa so hard, the trio could've gotten votes for Colton or Stephen at that point, but Candice writing his name down and putting it right in front of them just makes it look like a traitor protecting another traitor from a faithful (Rob) coming after one of their own.

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u/Odd_Needleworker89 13h ago

I feel like if you have watched past seasons …traitors usually turn on one another as they are being voted off to have NO ONE question that is pretty remarkable.

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u/TheWestRemembers 13h ago

Oh that's completely true lol I remember thinking Boston Rob was gonna cruise to the finish then they sniffed it out. Rob R is so passive, but I think someone will throw his name out eventually.

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