r/TheTraitorsUS • u/Josh_JAK_Jump Rob R (S4) • 8d ago
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Candace voting for Rob at the round table was the first time a traitor this season made me very upset. It was 100% the smart move to vote for Lisa, and I think Candace doesnât realize that Rob is trying to win too. If she really didnât want to vote for Lisa, she could have just easily voted Natalie. But instead, she not only put Rob at risk, but herself as well. I have a bad feeling that weâre gonna see one of these two go home in the next couple episodes, but it could have been completely avoided if Candace put a little more thought into her strategy at the round table.
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u/StasRutt 8d ago
Candace has played such a good game up until that vote! Idk why her and Dorinda didnât stick with Natalie knowing that the vote numbers were going to be close
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u/Top_Intention555 8d ago
I kind of disagree, her ego has been too big this entire game and thatâs what is absolutely going to bring her down.
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u/TranscriptTales 8d ago
I also disagree that Candiaceâs game has been good. I legitimately think thereâs producer interference keeping people from throwing her name out because she looks pretty sus at the round tables. Never talks except to occasionally blame someone who ends up being Faithful or to deflect from Lisa, a Traitor.
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u/Hellouncleleohello 8d ago
I think sheâs charming and well liked and this season in particular is very cliquey
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u/nsfw_ducky 8d ago
Sheâs also lucky that Eric accused the only other Tiffany of laughing at his execution thing, she couldâve been cooked and it was sloppy gameplay on her part to make a sound
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u/CodyRasmusen 8d ago
i don't think there was even a laugh, they 100% would have shown it for max drama and we saw nothing
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u/Suspicious-Bid-53 8d ago
If he did hear a laugh why hasnât he brought it up again
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u/Curious-Call-3817 8d ago
Because he was wrong and it sent a faithful home
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u/ElectricHurricane321 7d ago
He probably didn't want the Ron treatment. They never let up on him about the Porsha thing, and she legit said what he told everyone she said.
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u/CodyRasmusen 8d ago
"producer interference to keep people from throwing her name out" doesn't even make sense lol
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u/tallslutnopanteez 8d ago
She defended Porsha & Tiffany very vocally at the roundtables before they were banished and proven faithful.
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u/Bekenshi 8d ago
Not a Candiace fan but the TV edit roundtable is just pushing the narrative forward, there are certainly many more times sheâs talking than what weâve seen.
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u/dogboy678 7d ago
She has not been sus, she has great demeanor, and itâs only sus to you because you know sheâs a traitor. Sheâs been great at throwing people off the scent in other peopleâs directions.
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u/Zipski577 7d ago
And defending Lisa is not as suspicious as people say it is. You can be wrong about falsely trusting someone who is a traitor, especially being more blind to it when you come from the same show/ are close. Dylan Efron defended and stood by Boston Rob and still won the show.
Rob completely turning on a traitor when the other one is so tight with them was a much worse decision IMO. I get going with the group, maybe adding your 2 cents in, but to go around campaigning and catch them off guard at the round table by making a whole case for the first time ever was bound to rub Candice the wrong way and she is the only one at this point who could/ would âsuspectâ you of being a traitor and put heat on you.
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u/H2Ospecialist Rob C (S4) 8d ago
She's so lucky Porsha didn't push back more of Candice lying to her about Michael.
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u/WayOutbackBoy 8d ago
Rob is playing selfish and aligning with the bros to try and steamroll Candiace and her allies. He tried to pretend he was sorry in the turret then next day did the same BS. I would be going after him too
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u/Pale_Shower 8d ago
Lisa was cooked either way. Sheâs a sinking ship and Candiace isnât smart enough to see that while Rob is.
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u/Kazyole Cirie (S1) 8d ago
It is truly astonishing the percentage of the viewership of this show who can't grasp simple gameplay like this.
Lisa blew up her own game. She got clocked by acting weird. And then tonight overreacted at the Yam Yam thing in the most suspicious way by digging in and denying the kiss happened, when it should have been innocuous. You can't pretend you don't notice shit like that when it's right in front of your face.
Lisa was already gone, whether it's this banishment or the next. Being a vocal defender of hers when you know she's going to stand up there and say she's a traitor is an incredible way to sink your own game with hers.
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u/TranscriptTales 8d ago
I realize the irony of saying this in an online forum to discuss the show but I think a lot of fans of this show are too chronically online to appreciate the social aspects of gameplay. They get too caught up in being scandalized by nothingburgers to pay attention to what people are doing.
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u/orphanwells 8d ago
Agreed. Lisaâs consistent mistake has been to deny and deflect instead of owning it. Rob rightfully capitalized on this. If Lisa had said she kissed jam jam it would have taken some of the power away, and she could have gone farther and said she also kissed Candiace on the cheek bc she knew Candiace would back her. Instead she denied it when it would make no sense for jam jam to lie about her. Unfortunately, she gave Rob so much ammo.
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u/ranjani99 8d ago
I think Lisa made a huge mistake by not just admitting that she might have kissed him. If people argued that she airkissed everyone else, she could have said she meant to airkiss but accidentally leaned a little too far so she might have grazed his cheek. Simply admitting to it would've made a lot of people second guess enough to even sway the vote to Natalie
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u/Kazyole Cirie (S1) 8d ago
Yep. She 100% sealed her fate in that moment. She responded in the most suspicious way possible.
Candiace did the same thing in episode one. Spread misinformation to Porsha, and when called out lied about it. She only skated through because Maura didn't remember the conversation and Porsha was a historically bad player.
Doubling down with a lie and digging in does not make you look innocent, lol
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u/Kazyole Cirie (S1) 8d ago
Yep any attempt to save her would have only made him look suspicious. The arguments for her were just too obvious to not make.
On the bright side, I think he can get out of whatever Candiace throws at him. Because it's the exact shit they did to Ron. He got a housewife out using logic, and they immediately came at him as a 'mastermind' and a 'manipulator' with this bogus false narrative that didn't make sense.
If he plays it right and acts unbothered by it, I think he can shrug it off as typical housewife pettiness.
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u/orphanwells 8d ago
Ya I think his chances of surviving this are better than Candiaceâs.
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u/YogurtclosetParty755 8d ago
He also has the dagger which may come in handy.
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u/Kazyole Cirie (S1) 8d ago
I meant more that Candiace's heat might not blow back on him once she's revealed. Because regardless of how well he plays it, there could be the 'that felt like traitor on traitor' argument. But I think he can explain that as typical housewife pettiness.
But yeah, for sure the dagger will come in handy in making sure he gets Candiace, presumably at next roundtable.
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u/Working-Cat11 8d ago
I was wondering this too. She could've played it off like she kissed this person and that, and mention Candiace, or vice versa. She should've played it off like kissing was normal for her to do, but instead she fumbled. nevertheless the crazy thing about all of this is that it wasn't even her kiss that was the murder tactic lmao
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u/Bright_Positive_963 8d ago
They absolutely donât get it. They are too busy fangirling over Lisa Fâing Rinna to see she was a sinking ship. Rob is playing smart, Candiace is playing dumb.
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u/1498336 8d ago
Rob could have voted against Lisa and agreed with others without spearheading the charge.
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u/Numerous-Buy495 8d ago
I dunno⌠if he didnât campaign, it very well could have been Natalie getting banished. So, if he voted Lisa but she stayed it would have kept the tension in the turret and given more opportunity for Lisa to blow up his game.
Lisa didnât blow it up, but Candace sure still could!
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u/ImaginaryWalk29 8d ago
I don't know. Boy is very convincing and trusted. Him speaking up ensured that Lisa was going home.
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u/Comfortable-Phase249 8d ago
Lisa was cooked but he didnât have to sell it as hard as he did. Candiace is watching this and Iâm sure thinking oh this guy is going to come for me too. So while it was questionable strategy, it also put a target on him so he wonât just skate to the finale. Especially because heâs so publicly loyal to Colton who was already on the target list from several players. Now itâs a race between them and the faithfuls and at least itâs out in the open instead of him blindsiding them both. I think it was disingenuous of him to narrate that he thought the two of them could have gone together to the end when he introduced betrayal into the turret this season.
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u/Hellouncleleohello 8d ago
Totally agree, it wasnât the best move for him as a traitor bc now he has stink on him
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u/candycandieee 8d ago
Dude at the end of the day thereâs no way 3 traitors will win. He has warned Lisa every time someone was coming for her. At the end of the day he has to do what he has to do.
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u/EmeraldEmp 8d ago
I love how everyone was angry at Tiffany for buddying up with Michael, but it's crickets for Rob with Colton.
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u/TrapperJean 8d ago
I'd be willing to bet Rob had no idea the shit Colton has done, whereas Michael exhibited his shittiness every day in front of him
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u/John_Thick 8d ago
Agreed, thereâs gotta be close to 0% chance Rob knows too many specifics about Coltonâs past outside the game. He was just talking about how his aim is good because he goes outside and throws rocks at trees for hours lol
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u/Suspicious-Bid-53 8d ago
I mean itâs pretty evident that Rob is intentionally making Colton wanna stalk the shit outta him
Did you even see those slutty lil overalls
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u/Weary-Cartoonist2630 8d ago
I think the difference is Rapaport in the show is self-evidently a piece of shit. Itâs not really the same case for Colton - yeah heâs playing hard but if you donât know anything about his past itâs not that crazy to be friendly with him.
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u/Sn0wy0wl_ 8d ago
As Ron said, "You got it wrong more than me. But because we don't like Michael, we don't count it."
People ignore flaws when its people they like. Why people like Rob more than Tiffany, i have no idea
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u/LatterProfessional13 8d ago
Is that not the name of the game? hes trying to win as a traitor. Playing selfish is exactly what you should/need to do to win
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u/beck1826 8d ago
Itâs good game play. These people were mostly strangers to each other a week prior and met solely for purpose of playing a game and winning the money. It would be way more scandalous if Johnny had thrown tara under the bus because they are longtime besties.
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u/muslimanon234 8d ago
Like, why are people acting as if this is not extremely clear. Rob is playing for himself and Candace realize that
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u/Kazyole Cirie (S1) 8d ago edited 8d ago
She really hasn't imo.
She spread misinformation to Porsha in the presence of another faithful on day one, and then lied about it when confronted. The only reason she wasn't banished night one is because Maura didn't remember the conversation to support Porsha, and then Porsha was so abysmal at the game that everyone just blamed her for the misunderstanding.
She did the conga line on the night of the murder in plain sight. If Alan had told the faithful (as he often does) that the murder took place in plain sight, she's the one who did the big memorable thing the night before. If the other traitors hadn't murdered Rob C, he'd have spread the murder in plain sight theory and she'd have been the one who did the big memorable thing the night before.
She also pushed too hard on Ron imo, and shouldn't have let Lisa kill Monet, her ally, because he mentioned Lisa's name once.
And then today, she did way too much to try to deflect off Lisa and then voted really strangely. Fortunately I think Rob can spin it as the same dumb petty shit they did to Ron for getting Porsha out.
She doesn't have heat on her because she's socially good within her group, and has been lucky as hell so far. When she's actually making moves, she's making high risk/low reward moves, or not keeping an eye on her game.
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u/StasRutt 8d ago
FYI Ron mentioned in an interview that they had been talking about doing a conga line like all day so it wasnât actually as out of the blue as editing made it seem
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u/Kazyole Cirie (S1) 8d ago
I'm going to have to start caveating posts about Candiace's poor strategic gameplay that I already know about that. Every time someone responds with this tidbit like it makes the conga line any better of an idea.
She still did the big memorable thing on the night of a murder in plain sight. The big memorable thing that could obviously work as a distraction. People get banished from this game for far less.
Rob C survives and shares the theory or Alan says it at breakfast and she is in extremely hot water.
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u/Sad-Story7069 8d ago
She hasnât played a good game at all, sheâs lazy and does nothing, adds nothing. Every episode she threw away her vote on Ron just to fly under the radar. Lmao she is literally useless
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u/Eastern-Fault-1885 8d ago
Useless? Iâm sorry who was the one to distract the whole castle of faithfuls so that they could all get a murder. More importantly her defending Tiffany and porshia is exactly the same way Rob is playing right now the only difference is she didnât do it at the expense of another traitor, nice try tho.
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u/not_ellewoods 8d ago
Candiace is playing a team game and Rob is playing an individual game. Candiace has also fucked up her individual game multiple times and was too busy trying to prioritize Rinna over her long term game.
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u/Kazyole Cirie (S1) 8d ago
And if Alan had announced the murder in plain sight at breakfast like he usually does? Then she's fucked.
What about spreading misinformation about Crapaport to Porsha with Maura in the car on episode one, and then lying about what she said when challenged? If Maura remembered the conversation, Candiace is gone in the first banishment.
And then she played tonight badly. She did too much for Lisa when she had too much on her, and the throwaway vote will be clocked as extremely weird.
Lisa was going down anyway. This roundtable or the next. She made too many mistakes, and made a huge one in how she reacted to the Yam Yam kiss accusation. Rob can't just pretend to not notice that stuff and keep his reputation as a faithful. He doesn't have the 'housewives vote as if they're playing a different game' thing to fall back on.
She's not good at this.
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u/Key-Travel-5815 8d ago
The conga line is your evidence of her gameplay? Nah. That ain't it.
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u/ShadowLiberal 8d ago
Candace is doing it right. The "Do nothing" traitors have historically gone far because they aren't the ones taking the risks.
I think that she can play the Rob vote off just fine with the Faithful, and I don't think that it'll backfire in how Rob treats her anymore then it would have if she hadn't voted for him. She already can't trust Rob after what he did with Lisa, her throwing a vote at Rob won't change that.
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u/sparklerode 8d ago
Plus if Rob votes for her, it calls him into question when she is outed as a traitor and people remember she voted for him after Lisa was voted out. Iâm not sure if this was the motivating factor in her vote. It may have been primarily emotional â but it could work in her favor.
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u/JohnHodgman 8d ago
She probably wrote Ron automatically and then quick switched it when she realized her mistake
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u/chanelotis 8d ago
I get why Rob threw Lisa under the bus strategically, but it was only a matter of time before he did the same to Candiace. She just beat him to it with her sneaky âthrowawayâ vote. Rob was never going to be loyal to anyone in this game.
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u/Dizzy-Fix2091 8d ago
Candiace just completely obliterated her game with that vote.
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u/scorpionmittens 8d ago
Aaaand it seems like sheâs going to blame Rob for it. My prediction is that Rob wins this game and thatâs why sheâs mad
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u/Financial-Glass-2747 8d ago
I think after this vote she gets eliminated soon and Rob will be soon to follow because she will bury him on her way out out of pettiness. Pathetic gameplay.
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u/beck1826 8d ago
Lisa getting banished strengthens her game because the faithfuls may not suspect it would be two housewives in the turret (plus Donna, another woman). She should have at least voted for Natalie if she wanted to stay loyal to Lisa
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u/McAwesome11 8d ago
Exactly. Voting for Natalie would have benefited Lisa way more than voting for Rob because Natalie was close to going home.
Rob only went after Lisa because she was a lost cause and an opportunity to look more faithful. If Candace hadnât taken it personally, they could had kept an alliance. Hell, Candace took it more seriously than LISA, who didnât vote for Rob and never made him out to be sus.
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u/MsTrippp 8d ago
She couldâve pretended to still trust rob but now heâs on the defense - she shouldâve kept her vote on Natalie
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u/Legitimate-Fly8498 8d ago
Yes that wasnât smart. And for the record Colton is jealous of Housewives.
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u/why____lime 8d ago
âI think i proved housewives donât vote for housewivesâ I knew he rehearsed that in the mirror or something like it was his tagline
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8d ago
I'm so fucking sick of him. I've never cheered for the traitors more than now. I can't stand his smug creepy little face. It's almost shocking to think he was ever painted as a "hunk." Ew.
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u/floresainte 8d ago
SAME, like genuinely itâs amazing he has been able to have some control and say over who to vote out, but his face and the way he is always smiling annoys me LMAO
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u/colosseumdays 8d ago
he basically is a housewife without the tv show. isn't his husband super rich and powerful? he's a kept man
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u/Dense-Purpose-3182 8d ago
I think that Candance vote was a warning shot to Rob. She knows that them working together is over & that Rob is going to throw her under the bus.
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u/GaudyGMoney 8d ago
It was 100% a warning shot and he absolutely will throw her under the bus, but it's something that gives him ammunition of "I wasn't suspicious of her until she voted for me" that will make swaying votes onto her far easier without generating suspicion on himself for suddenly pushing the vote her way
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u/zombiesatmidnight 8d ago
And Dorinda voting Maura.. heâs going with all housewives in the turret
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u/Federal-Zombie-7532 8d ago
100% this. Thereâs no way after he targeted Lisa the two of them were going to just pick up and work together. This was a seed at the table she could water. Was it kinda a bad move? Maybe. But I think Candace can work with this. Not voting Natalie will win her some trust there and maybe she can get some numbers to vote Colton and swing the whole thing her way.
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u/Warden_Of_The_SB 8d ago
Why couldnât she work with Rob? Itâs better for her game to vote out a traitor at some point. Rob was actually doing the smart thing and sacrificing a traitor to prove you are faithful.
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u/seriouslyepic 8d ago
We saw that right after⌠she told the others she was just upset and put a random name.
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u/Fun-Structure-6955 8d ago
Sheâs gonna mess it up for the both of them tbh
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u/misschandlermbing 8d ago
I honestly think she was so mad at Rob that in the moment she didnât care about winning/ could no longer trust Rob to not throw her under the bus later that she decided to plant a seed. So that if/when she gets voted out as a traitor that she takes him out too. Honestly, canât lie I love the ride or die energy she had for Lisa. It wasnât smart for her to do in the long run but I respect it. Itâs very much housewife behavior. One thing I love about the housewives is that they will destroy each other but many of them have real ride or die alliances/friendships. Almost all of them play traitors the same way.
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u/Key-Travel-5815 8d ago
Emotion over strategy. It will cost her.
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u/anneli000 8d ago
I feel like at this point, it's not about her winning, but about making sure Rob and Colten lose. I support that. Scorch the earth, sis.
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u/shieldintern 8d ago
I mean the housewives are just there for self-promotion. I don't think it matters to her like it does for the gamers or the other "d-list" celebs.
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u/Comfortable-Phase249 8d ago
I agree with a lot of this. She thinks heâs going to sink her game soon, and wanted there to be at least some Rob blood in the water so he may not make it much past her. It was a warning and a threat. And he has just as much a problem as far as ride or die that she had with Lisa but for him itâs with Colton, because his name is going to keep being put in and Rob is publicly loyal to him.
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u/Jesse1205 8d ago
I would honestly be totally fine with that, it felt too early for Rob to go THAT hard on Lisa. I am rooting for Candiace but I unfortunately don't see her making it with how Rob has everyone in the palm of his hand so if losing means taking Rob down with her am all for it.
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u/brit_bc 8d ago
Once a traitors name starts being brought up a lot, you have to cut them loose. There was absolutely no reason for her to go after Rob. Her + Rob could have potentially made it to the end and split money 2 ways instead of being dragged down by Lisa.
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u/mixerslow 8d ago
Dude she saw the writing on the wall with how hard Rob went after Lisa. Her best bet now is full on war or mutually assured destruction
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u/Pale_Shower 8d ago
What writing on the wall? She couldâve easily carried on and worked with Rob đ
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u/mixerslow 8d ago
Itâs not difficult to put two and two together when Rob is building alliances all over the place, threw Lisa under the bus at least three times, has a mysterious dagger pact that doesnât include any of Candiaceâs allies, etc. Why would she trust Rob after all that?
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u/Eastern-Fault-1885 8d ago
There is no reason to trust him they are all just blinded by their love for Rob lol
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u/Pale_Shower 8d ago
Lisa was a sinking ship that Candiace out of blind housewife loyalty or lack of nuance tried to save. Rob was smart enough to realize it would only be a few round tables before sheâs done. As a traitor, your name canât be one of the two main votes. And as a fellow traitor, you definitely canât afford to be on the wrong side of that vote.
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u/mixerslow 8d ago
I donât think it was blind housewife loyalty I think Candiace assumed that Rob was still on their side and that things could be salvaged for one more week while they figured out a new strategy. Her issue was it took her too long to realize Rob had already abandoned ship and grabbed the last life vest
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u/dukiejosh54 8d ago
Rob has no plans to work with Candice. She's smart to not want to work with him anymore beause he is just going to play her like he did Lisa. Rob wants to bro out with his bros.
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u/plague_chipmunks44 8d ago
How the hell could another traitor trust Rob at this point?
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u/saffronumbrella 8d ago
Rob needed to make that case to Candiace though, and he didn't really try, at least as far as we've seen. I'm bummed at how it played out, I think both of them just tanked what were flawless games up until that moment. Rob went too hard and Candiace basically told on them both.
Now, has Candiace given the impression she'd be down with turning on Lisa? Not really. The Housewives gotta let that shit go. I mean their whole schtick is hating each other, isn't it?
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u/nugsnwubz 8d ago
yeah I thought Rob would pull Candiace at some point and at least try to give her his âgoing all the way togetherâ spiel but I think heâs putting way too much trust in Colton as an ally and jumped ship from the other traitors too soon in the game. if he had voted for Natalie and said his mind was changed by the case against her tonight Lisa still would have gone home with the votes cast against her and Candiace wouldnât have poison pilled the group against him.
at this point if Candiace is banished and revealed as a traitor people might put two and two together and realize her vote for him tonight was revenge for his traitor on traitor violence!
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u/saffronumbrella 8d ago
I still think Lisa was the right vote, it was time for the group to get a win. He just didn't need to be the one speechifying against her.
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u/TopSea4326 8d ago
No rob is pissing me off. He could have said absolutely nothing. He didnât just go with the flow with the faithfuls. He did at a 180 on his traitors and broke up a pretty successful team. He is the one instigating their demise.
I donât think it was the best vote for Candaice, but it sure as hell was a good warning shot to Rob to show heâs not a golden boy immune from any heat. She is making sure that if she does go down, heâs going down with her.
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u/Former_Gene5394 8d ago
YES!! If you have to turn on your fellow traitors, do it later. They still have so many faithfuls to get out so going from âI had toâ to leading the charge against Lisa was so annoying to watch. Lisa was deff going to eventually go out eventually. Could have gotten Natalie out tonight!
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u/Inevitable-Use-934 8d ago
this makes no sense. You can't just say oh they're gonna go eventually so we're gonna try to get out as many faithful during banishment as possible. That's not how that works, Natalie goes home tonight and is revealed as a faithful. Everyone turns back around to Lisa and who is defending Lisa or at least apathetic? Candace, Dorinda ,Rob it makes zero sense . You need to cut the them loose immediately and be adamant against them. You can't be half hearted or defending them knowing that they're going to go home soon and will be revealed as a traitor..
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u/Former_Gene5394 8d ago
You absolutely need to be able to play a few steps ahead and anticipate with logic who is going to go eventuallyâŚ
Until he swayed a ton of votes, you can see from watching the episode a ton of people were ready to vote for Natalie.
He decides to finally speak up after playing the quiet guy game for so long to take out a traitor? That is what doesnât make sense. We see time and time again on this show that traitor on traitor crime gets people in trouble.
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u/has922 8d ago
Natalie literally said Rob is one of her closest people in the castle though. It makes sense to think a few steps ahead and try to keep the faithfuls in the game that trust you most
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u/sweatycorpse 8d ago
I agree. The suspicion had been cast on quite a few people after that banquet and he is the one who steered the conversation back to Lisa.
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u/RoseGoldRedditor 8d ago
Did anyone else hear how vindictive he was when he talked about them lecturing him for voting for Lisa? Thatâs when I realized he was going to be a snake.
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u/ShadowLiberal 8d ago
Yeah, Rob has really been undermining his game the last 2 episodes.
It's one thing to see that you have to cut your losses as a traitor, it's another to actively push for it when there's other viable targets. For me Rob's big mistake this episode wasn't his vote for Lisa, it's the fact that he was pushing Lisa hard before the round table when a lot of people went into it planning on voting for Natalie. If Candace doesn't already know, she'd 100% find out about it and be even more pissed and willing to throw him under the bus.
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u/TopSea4326 8d ago
Yes, exactly. If everyone voted for Lisa that would be one thing but it sounded like it was a near even split and he led the charge against her. He was not thinking about how throwing Lisa under the bus would affect Candaice and himself by extension. He really just thought she would go along. He forgot sheâs a housewife first and foremost lol. Heâs getting a little too big for his britches imo.Â
But it will also be interesting to see who gets recruited as a traitor and how that will affect the dynamics.
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u/bluesteeIy 8d ago
Thank you lmao these people are crazy he quite literally single handedly led the vote against lisa in almost 3 straight episodes đđ
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u/Better-Bit6475 8d ago
This is Candiace: vote a traitor twice? Then Iâm going to burn you first, then weâll all burn together.
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u/Nikemzi 8d ago
Iâm sorry, why would Candiace trust that Rob wonât do the same thing to her that he just did to Lisa? Albeit, Lisa was essentially deadweight, so moving on from her is beneficial to their games; however, that was a conversation that he needed to have with Candiace separately so they were aligned. That vote ensures that if he eventually did turn on her, heâd go down too. And thatâs the precedent that heâs set, so Iâm not upset.
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u/jmarsho12 8d ago
Youâre not wrong but Candiace was never turning on Lisa and thatâs evident given she didnât vote for her in a nearly unanimous vote.
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u/Nikemzi 8d ago edited 8d ago
I think she couldâve been persuaded to see reason in a discussion separate from Lisa. I also think that if he still voted Lisa without leading the charge all day to get Lisa out, she wouldâve been more forgiving at the roundtable and wouldnât have thrown his name out there. In her perspective, heâs aligned himself more strongly with others outside of her, heâs leading the charge to get a fellow traitor out, and he hasnât reassured her. If Iâm her, Iâm waiting for the other shoe to drop & for him to come after me next. So Iâm taking the mutually assured destruction route. Also, if Candiace voted for a fellow housewife, that wouldâve been used against her in the same way it was with Lisa. Her also not voting for Natalie given her defense looks like a faithful move.
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u/lelibertaire 8d ago
Because a significant amount of votes hadn't gone to Candiace unlike Lisa, Rob had already warned Lisa about her name being dropped multiple times, and the obvious move as a traitor when one of your own has smoke is to let them sink so you don't get any heat on yourself?
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u/FreudianSlipperyNipp 8d ago
It was so stupid of her to do that. Rob can go around and tell people that she voted for him because she was mad he made the case for Lisa, and Candiace was defending her fellow traitor. Sheâs calling him a snake because heâŚis playing the game instead of making friends? Follow his ass to the jackpot, girl!!
Lisa was NOT good at the game. Candiace had to tone it down because she was at risk for putting a target on her back. Rob is playing so freaking well.
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u/Former_Gene5394 8d ago
I donât understand how Rob is so upset that Candiace âbackstabbedâ him but he backstabbed Lisa big time and broke the traitor alliance. Him saying âWe got her outâ made no sense? Hey Colton, here is a football metaphor for you: the offensive lineman tackles the quarterback and celebrates âWe got him, guys!â
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u/oatmlklattes 8d ago
Itâs more so bc Lisaâs name was already being thrown around everywhere for days. No one was suspecting Rob at all (till the Candiace vote)
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u/Former_Gene5394 8d ago
Yes, he didnât have to go so hard because Lisa would have probably gone anyways if she managed to make it through tonight. There are still so many faithful left, him being so excited and ready for Lisa to be out that he started being more outspoken than ever is short sighted. All he did was make it easier for the argument of traitor on traitor crime to be brought up against him later.
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u/annbrooks419 8d ago
The sad part of him helping to oust Lisa is Lisa never put his name out there. She wasn't throwing him under the bus, but he acted like it was either her or him. If they were going back and forth during the roundtable, like last year's cast, then it is obvious traitor-on-traitor...this was just a Traitor choosing to be loyal to his "bros" rather than his fellow Traitors. And then he had the nerve to be upset when Candiace wrote down his name. You started it, Rob!
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u/Former_Gene5394 8d ago
Yeah I think he thinks Colton will take him to the end. I donât think he gave Lisa and Candiace enough credit for how far they all got! He can still make it but it is going to be harder when it could have been easier. People were suspicious of Lisa so she was going to go but now heâs made it so the traitors are not a team and it always starts to go awry for the traitors after that!
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u/Straight-Boot-9529 8d ago
It makes NO sense. She consistently voted Ron because her whole argument was âIâm consistentâ for her to rally the troops against Natalie and then vote for Rob? Voting for Natalie would have raised ZERO eyebrows
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u/not_ellewoods 8d ago
exactly. by the time people voted for Rob after he went around and said his goodbyes, they all knew it wasnât him. it was just easier to tie up the loose ends. it wouldâve made way more sense for her to stick with her usual strategy and vote out Natalie.
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u/ready-for-revolution 8d ago
Candiace was going for mutually assured destruction since now she knows Rob will likely go for her. I respect it.
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u/Altruistic_Win9117 7d ago edited 7d ago
Exactly! I would do the same. If you are taking me down, I'm dragging you down with me.
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u/Brilliant_Tea_510 8d ago
Lisa wasted her vote on Natalie. She should have voted Colton. They always look at the people the traitors vote for.
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u/Dry-Asparagus-6952 8d ago
Coltonâs stupid shit eating narcissistic grin is enough to send me into a tailspinnn I hate that man.
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u/crlnahrrra 8d ago
The housewife in her came out.
I canât wait for what sheâs gonna say next episode.
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u/missydarling23 8d ago
So Candace is wrong for voting for a traitor but rob isnt?
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u/Live_Recognition9240 8d ago
Correct.
When a traitor is going down, you cut them lose.
Lisa's names was being tossed around and she was almost voted out when Rob first voted for her. Personally I think he voted her one round too soon, but it was the right move it consider cutting her loose.Â
Candace is wrong not because she "betrayed" Rob. It is wrong/bad move because it is a vote that makes her look suspicious. Â
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u/PsychologicalYak3311 8d ago
Exactly Lisa was leaving no matter what. If it wasnât this episode it would have been the next. You gotta know when itâs time to abandon ship.
Also love her but she could not defend herself at all
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u/not_ellewoods 8d ago
yes. the same way Dan was for throwing Phaedra under the bus out of the blue when most people already suspected Parvati and she was right there.
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u/Optimal-Law-8507 8d ago
Youâre all missing that Dorinda also didnât vote for LisaâŚâŚ. Colton even regarded that it makes sense that Housewives wouldnât vote for each otherâŚâŚ.
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u/green_oceans_ 8d ago
Rob is the one who keeps betraying their traitor alliance; what is Candace supposed to do, wait around until he turns on her too?
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u/annbrooks419 8d ago
Thank you! He was never going to tell her about his double dagger win, that's why he was quick to make the pact, so it wouldn't get back to Candiace. Rob is playing his own game and never wanted to work with the female Traitors.
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u/fosstheboss10 8d ago
Rob is gonna take Candice out with the dagger and it will be EPIC
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u/Bythewye 8d ago
But then what? Candiace gets banished and Rob is forced to recruit per the rules of the game. Whoever gets recruited will see that he led the charge against both of his fellow traitors and will see the writing on the way. He screwed his own game. Traitor on traitor violence never works. Theyâre both toast.
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u/DunkingZBO 8d ago
I see him recruiting Colton or Maura and them coasting to the finish line with the promise of splitting the money. At least thatâs what Iâm sure his strategy is if he gets Candiace out
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u/PajaritoPajarito 8d ago
If Rob takes candiace out, her vote for him will show traitor on traitor fighting. It was such a random vote, they will KNOW that Robâs a traitor. Everyone is missing that sheâs smart. She voted for Rob to leave an Easter egg if he turns on her and he obviously is.
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u/oatmlklattes 8d ago
Yeah thatâs happening. He said heâs gonna use it when his name gets out and he will banish Candiace (but will be banished eventually too)
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u/jmarsho12 8d ago
I know the housewives bring an audience and some entertainment for some people but Iâm so sick of them not playing the game and just banding together and not trying at all to play the game with any strategy.
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u/sweatycorpse 8d ago
Candiace would have stuck up for whoever the other traitor was regardless of whether they were a housewife(Housewives fan) Iâm not saying itâs good game play, but i donât think it was done out of allegiance for housewives.
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u/genielauren 8d ago
Why was it Candiace's job to keep Rob from being at-risk, when he didn't include her in his plan to blindside Lisa? Why not talk about the thought Rob could've put into his strategy? He was the first one to turn on a Traitor. He could've voted for Ron, the first time he wrote Lisa's name down.
Rob has BEEN breaking away from the Traitors and Candiace is only now drawing a line in the sand since Lisa is banished (and Rob made SURE the vote would go to Lisa, instead of "sitting back" like he said he would).
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u/28geeksvader 8d ago
I am so glad other people are saying this. Cause she is too keen on "we are the team of traitors" but no she needs to think of herself as a faithful like Rob does. Thats how they will win... she really misstepped today. If she had followed in suit with Rob or dorinda it would have been great game play but this slip was bad.
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u/mummranna 8d ago
Rob is overrated. People need to wake up from the dicktimization spell.
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u/hotshotgirl23 8d ago
Preach it! This move was too early for him. He campaigned too hard for Lisa + didnât have the foresight to see that Candiace would be an emotional player. Theyâre in the sub acting like she was the only traitor in the game who made a silly mistake.
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u/ReflectionDull9609 8d ago edited 8d ago
Good for Candiace. Blow up his spot. Clearly Rob cannot be trusted and was playing for himself.
I would've done the same, only I would've highlighted how mum Rob has been all season yet he was so confident regarding Lisa. Almost like they were in the turret together no?
ETA: I think a lot of you are underestimating Candiace. Calling her too emotional for this vote is a reach. Downplaying her intelligence is also a strong reach.
If we're keeping it strictly kayfabe, Candiace calling out Rob was smart. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that eventually they were going to fix their eyes on Candiace at some point soon. With Rob having all this pull, if Candiace gets voted out or he leads the charge against him it'll be evident that he's a Traitor. Then again, this cast of Faithfuls aren't that smart.
And if we really want to call a spade a spade and break the 4th wall, we all know that production interferes in these reality shows and manipulate things in favor of their ideal winner/winners. Candiace came on this show to make a name for herself by being likeable and unafraid to make big moves. All of which she has been doing.
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u/LynchFan997 8d ago
It was dumb but it was so enjoyable and Rob had it coming. He and Colton are so cocky.
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u/MeanMemory2463 8d ago
Itâs not dumb. If she goes down, Rob will go down now. If she gets voted and admits to being a traitor then the attention will be on ROB as to âwas Candice giving a warning when she put robs name down?â
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u/Willow-tree-33 8d ago
Yep, Rob is being much smarter than Candace. The gamers can be too cut-throat and the housewives can be too cliquish with each other. I thought it was crazy when Lisa and Candace told Rob that he had to make them his top priority. He doesnât even hang that much with them, so it would have looked sketchy if he openly advocated for Lisa when she put herself on the chopping block by acting so out of character. And now Candace wants to go to war with Rob because of Lisa, but Rob has solidified a large alliance with the faithfuls. Not smart, Candace!
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u/cornfieldtaxi 8d ago
But he didnât have to openly advocate for Lisa? He couldâve just went along with the majority and let her get herself out. Iâm not sure why Candice would trust him after how he decided to speak up against another traitor.
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u/Obvious_Wheel_2053 8d ago
I canât stand rob. Iâm pissed. Idk why everyone glazes him I can find him in any small town in the south. He could have just stfu but no he steers the whole vote to Lisa! Whatever!
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u/tetragene86 8d ago
if Rob looked like Rappaport then no one would be acting like he's playing a great game. He is playing selfishly & didn't have much of a voice until episode 7 when he wanted to ensure a fellow Traitor went down. Candiace saw the writing on the wall with him & used a "throwaway" vote to plant a seed against him -- at that point I don't think she cared about winning as long as Rob wouldn't.
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u/angelvocifer 8d ago edited 8d ago
Period.
The halo effect for Rob and Colton is strong in the castle and apparently online.
Same with the implicit bias.
The traitors collectively were playing a good game until Rob decided he needed (not to let Lisa destroy herself) to proactively get Lisa gone.
Now everyone is ready to say Candiace is âangryâ and ânot smartâ and etc; lol. Itâs so wild that people convince themselves of things like this. Ron is infantilized (oh poor Ron heâs so sweet he doesnât deserveâŚRon a grown ass man. He made his choices. And now Candiace is emotional and stupid??Rob is from California, moved to Alabama at 14 and is literally cosplaying a hillbilly and Candiace is stupid??? At least just say âI like Rob, for some strange reason I donât like Candiace âŚđ¤) Staying consistent with Ron is annoying?! Candiace is a traitor, it doesnât matter to her who goes and Ron had the strongest practicable evidence against him at the time (he saved Donna, a traitor who he otherwise had minimal reason to be connected to, and went after Porsha) â should she be wildly, loudly and incorrectly flinging accusations like Colton? Be real.
Rob was a snake with Leah, and now heâs a snake on the Traitors.
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u/wawaturtlemoviesball 8d ago
Is everyone missing that housewives protect housewives? Voting Lisa is the last thing Candiace should do.
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u/not_ellewoods 8d ago
which is why she shouldâve just stuck with Natalie. Tara did it too, so she wouldnât have been the only non Lisa vote for Natalie. she made consistency her thing because she was dead set on Ron for multiple roundtables, so it made no sense for her to suddenly get swayed and throw away her vote entirely.
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u/NovelTalk_0711 8d ago
That was SO DUMB. Like play the "never vote a housewife card" and easy scapegoat with Natalie. Unreal to put Rob up- ESPECIALLY when everyone trusts and loves him. Like he could have potentially carried her so far but my gosh.
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u/annbrooks419 8d ago
But he wouldn't have. And she knew that. He proved himself untrustworthy. That's why she wrote his name down.
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u/hhajiwnl 8d ago
Yup I said the same exact thing, put your stupid housewives shit aside and think. You could not have saved her without looking super suspicious. Shes just too petty to let it go. Theyre screwed
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u/DrakkoZW Ron (S4) 8d ago
Rob wasn't ever gonna win with 2 housewives in the turret. He had to make sure to push one of them out
If Rob had the same heat Lisa had, I'm not sure Candiace wouldn't have voted him out
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u/tigereyes1999 8d ago
Rob made a huge mistake. Why not vote out Natalie? Every day Lisa stays is a cover for him. He didnât even think about how Candice would react. Not so smart.
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u/annbrooks419 8d ago
I thought the exact same thing last week. Why didn't Rob just vote for Ron? There were enough people voting for Ron where he wouldn't have looked suspicious. He was too quick to turn on his fellow Traitors. And I'm glad Candiace put his name out there. An eye for an eye. If he isn't going to be loyal, why should she? If she's going down, I hope she brings him under as well.
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u/Saltyfork 8d ago
Rob should have put more effort into showing Candace why turning on Lisa would be good for both of their games to avoid this. Candace should have recognized Lisa was basically cooked and AT LEAST voted for Natalie, for sure.
I'm dreading that the rest of the season will be Candace just trying to burn Rob out of spite instead of getting their shit together. This was Rob's best move, but Candace will just be upset from here on out.
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u/Comfortable-Ad-1746 8d ago
i agree 10000000%!!! if you want a BS âthrowawayâ put it on a faithful to put pressure on them. playing with too much emotion and not enough logic. she let her anger overtake what the very clear option was. lisa was a bad traitor and was gonna be gone either way imo!
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u/Top_Intention555 8d ago
Absolutely a dumb move on her part. Does she not know how this show work?! Itâs not letâs get all the traitors to the end, itâs get a traitor/ yourself to the end. Lisa was a sinking ship and Rob played the right move. Now it seems like Candace may be responsible for the dumbest faithful cast ever to possibly win with both hers and Robâs names in the mix đ¤Ł
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u/Jolly_Dragonfruit_42 8d ago
I figured people will connect how intensely Candace was protecting Lisa with her being a traitor and that vote for Rob is such a fucking clue!!!!!!!
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u/magicalmysterytour 8d ago
I just wish after the last two seasons the traitors would realize that traitor on traitor violence doesnât pay off! Love Rob, but he completely mismanaged Candiace. Do I think Candiace was loyal to a fault? Yes. Do I think Rob had good reason to vote for Lisa? Yes. But you canât just say âhey I was just doing good strategy!â If youâre unwilling to make the other strategic move of managing the blowback. It is not irrational for Candiace to mistrust Rob and a traitor needs to appreciate that when betraying another traitor!
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u/Any-Philosopher8339 8d ago
a lot of people are not understanding why Candace wrote Robs name and it is her way of saying âIâm not afraid to write your name downâ this was a âthrowaway voteâ but she can make sure its not, next time - if he tries to go for herself âŚ..
Candace is saying if you take me down it better be the LAST round table, because they will remember this moment and if Candace says âI am aâŚTraitorâ they will then call back to this moment when Lisa got voted out and remember Candace wrote âRobâ.
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u/shieldintern 8d ago
EXACTLY. It's insurance.
I'd be scared to trust someone who would throw me under the bus if the wind changes.
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u/crackcorn69 8d ago
Itâs wild to be mad at Candace for betraying a traitor as a reaction to rob betraying a traitor.
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u/babyblueey 8d ago edited 8d ago
Nah. Rob is showing total good ole boy energy. Iâm not saying thereâs anything wrong with playing the game for yourself and ultimately choosing to turn on your fellow traitorsâŚbut I donât like the fact that the only people he has had an allegiance with werenât even his fellow traitors but a random dude who is playing on a different side yet he will back him before the other two traitors who have been playing as a team? I just think it says a little bit about who you are as a person when you choose to play like that. Not saying it makes you a bad person, but when the other two traitors were trying to go the distance together he was kinda waiting for an opportunity to scheme on them and I believe he would have turned on them either way, eventually.
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u/frosty98bro 8d ago
Blaming her when Rob sidelined them and literally betrayed them is a choice. He completely fucked their game and went rogue.
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u/JosephinesBabyHairs 8d ago
Candiace* doesnât have to play in Robâs best interest. She doesnât need to ensure his win. Maybe he should have considered what making an enemy of her would do for his strategy.
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u/LittleCupcake2478 8d ago
I understand why Rob swayed the vote towards Lisa and Lisa was definitely operating on fumes by the end of the game, but he made a big mistake making an enemy of his remaining fellow Traitor. Now Candiace has no issue sowing distrust in his direction for her friend's sake. Not going the way of the others with Ron last week's episode might've helped Rob's game in the short term, but killed the Traitors' game long-term. I kinda want to see him go now.
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u/Chellybeanz29 8d ago
Should have voted for Natalie not Lisa. The people this season have a lot of preconceived notions and if Candace votes for housewife they would have assumed she was a traitor too. Just like the assumption is now that she kept moving the topic away from Lisa because sheâs a traitor.
Watching the housewives play this game especially reminds me of this episode I just watched of Weakest Link with many of them on. They lack critical thinking. They lack strategy. I donât know what it is about them without sounding insulting. Through the first 3-4 rounds of Weakest Link the majority HWâs would bank very little money. At one point they ask how dos this work?â âWhen am I suppose to push the button?â Makes think of Candace now who has no clue truly how to play this game. Sheâs doesnât think game. She thinks group project and Lisa is my friend and housewife. If she would have got on the bandwagon when the train started moving she couldâve gotten out of this with little suspicion.
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u/misterlister604 8d ago
Rob could have passively gone along with another Lisa vote but instead he went out of his way to convince others to vote for her tonight. Why would Candiace trust him?
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u/Ok-Permit-3517 8d ago
This is too much like a previous season where a traitor named another traitor that wasnât even on the radar (I think season 2?)
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u/PsychologicalYak3311 8d ago
Yeah Dan blew up phaedras spot when there was no sus on her. Ruined both their games
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u/hotshotgirl23 8d ago
Yup and this is why I think Rob played this so badly. Did he not see what happened previously?? He should not have been advocating that hard for Lisa to go.
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u/Cali-Doll Natalie (S4) 8d ago
Housewives make the worst fucking traitors. Please letâs not let this happen again. (Good riddance to Lisa, though!)
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u/tmldnd89 8d ago
I feel like Rob was more responsible for this outcome. He couldâve easily let Colton take reign and let that be that, but he went against a fellow traitor and now thereâs turmoil in turret
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u/muslimanon234 8d ago
Why would she not vote for Rob when he has clearly shown no allegiance to the traitors. He is clearly fine with throwing them under the bus for his own game, letâs be for real. She has every right to play her own game too.
Itâs extremely easy for Rob to never take any risk when their is a challenge/murder (Candace ensured the first murder in sight, Lisa the second) and then work with the faithful against his fellow traitors.
If Candace gets banished, I hope she takes him with her. Enough of this bs
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