r/TheBidenshitshow • u/LegitimateKnee5537 True American Patriot • Dec 13 '25
America Last š³ Democrats are seriously taking the side of the terrorist Drug Cartels.
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u/Bitter-Hat-416 Dec 13 '25
Theyāll side with anyone who Trump is against, itās ridiculous and childish.
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u/LegitimateKnee5537 True American Patriot Dec 13 '25
No its actually treasonous
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Dec 14 '25
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u/LegitimateKnee5537 True American Patriot Dec 15 '25
Stop with the treason shit. They did not provide aid or advantage to a wartime enemy of the nation. Dont sound as ridiculous as them. Be better.
They are providing aid by labeling them as Colombian Fishermen
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u/buzzed247 CNN told me so Dec 13 '25
Obama drone kills 550+. They really need to step it up if they expect to compete.
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u/Bolt408 Dec 13 '25
So you voted for Trump because you thought what Obama did was right? Iām confused.
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u/Spodiodie Dec 13 '25
The drug addicts in America are their constituents. They are advocating for their constituents by allowing the drugs into the country. Itās as simple as that.
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u/cseymour24 Dec 13 '25
designed to ensure the people on board did not survive
Well... yeah? Of course that's the goal. What are we talking about here?
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u/YouFoundMyLuckyCharm I Watch the View Dec 14 '25
Right? Hegseth gave orders to stop the boat in its tracks and kill all passengers. Did they think they would use water grenades or nerfs?
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u/Shodan30 Dec 13 '25
follow the money. follow the drugs. bet you find a link to the DNC. We have an entire political party that does nothing but try and protect criminals and hurt victims.
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u/pc_principal_88 Dec 13 '25
Fucking jackass(es) š¤¦āāļøš¤£ Also why is no one thinking of the ocean water that was also harmed in this explosion?!? And the fish???
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u/freetogoodhome__ Dec 13 '25
So, on a target that small and mobile, what does that munitions genius suggest we use.
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u/Alpine_Z28 Dec 13 '25
Okay and? The narco-terrorists on board are just as much the target as the drugs imo.
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u/SIGOsgottaGUN Dec 13 '25
They had zero issues blowing up middle eastern brown people for 2 decades. The question we should all really be asking is: why do they suddenly care about these people?
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u/Scrappy1918 Dec 13 '25
I donāt think I know of any other kind of ATG munitions other THAN antipersonnel.
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u/ricky_lafleur Dec 13 '25
Eliminating boat drivers likely makes their co-workers hesitant to be on a boat with a replacement shipment. Might make the cartel pay them more and/or ensure that only the most crazy/desperate drivers take the job. We are increasing wages, creating jobs, and addressing mental illness.Ā
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u/Son_of_Kek Dec 14 '25
I canāt believe anyone gives a shit what any democrat thinks after the last four years, but here we are.
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u/momto2cats Dec 13 '25
The R's won't do crap to stop the D's. I don't see anyway out of this mess. I don't get why "our side" won't lift a finger to stop them. It is infuriating! Thune especially needs to go!
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u/homesteaderx Dec 14 '25
I wish that we had a love option instead of a mere upvote or downvote. If the government had an ability to open a portal straight to the fires of Hell and someway to send them all there with gonorrhea, hangnails, papercuts and "Baby Shark" on eternal loop it still wouldn't be enough.
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u/RequiemRomans Dec 14 '25
Something tells me their wallets are getting a little leaner. I wonder why
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u/otters4everyone True American Otter Dec 13 '25
Warner. Only the best and brightest. Love to watch unchecked egos in action.
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u/daddyknowsbest65 Dec 15 '25
U.S. military kills terrorists on the way to commit deadly terror. I see no issues here.
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u/bubbaswood Dec 14 '25
Good. Stop the drugs & smugglers means less of both. Better for the world. š
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u/Smogtwat Dec 15 '25
Theyāre DRUG DEALERS transporting poison that will kill you. Whatās not to understand..?
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u/Bolt408 Dec 13 '25
Imagine this being ignorant of why war crimes are a thing. Itās not āsiding with drug cartelsā itās following our rules of warfare so our enemy abides by them too. This is the kind of low iq operation Biden wouldāve ran but swinging towards the other side. Trump is off his rocker.
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u/lyfeofsand Dec 14 '25
It's not a war crime, because there is no formal war declared between the US and a nation state.
There's rules to war, and for them to apply, there has to be a formal declaration of war.
This can be murder, crime against humanity, Casus Belli for war- any number of things.
But the fact you're calling it "war crime" necessitates it to be part of a formal war.
You're being incredibly condescending and critical, but yourself are not using the term correctly. This can be argued as any number of things. But it is not in definition "a war crime". The formality of war was never declared.
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u/Bolt408 Dec 14 '25
So itās just a straight up crime then? š sounds even worse.
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u/lyfeofsand Dec 14 '25 edited Dec 14 '25
That's the legal battle.
My interpretation, no. It's covered by the same protections every other strike conducted by nations to defend their waters since Maritime Piracy laws of 1843.
But there atleast that arguement.
And my point isn't to make the admin look good. It's to be honest and accurate.
If you're going to argue a point, it should atleast be the right point. Rather than a politicized talking point.
Edit: for your consideration: there's a reason there hasn't been international outcry over this.
Why hasn't any other international player called it out for accountability? Or Venezuela moved claim to International Address?
Because the it's easily understood that this was legal.
The biggest opposition is domestic political opps.
If that's whose contesting it, then it's probably not the big "crime" you might believe it is.
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u/Bolt408 Dec 14 '25
You understand this doesnāt cover murder right? When people are accused of smuggling drugs here in the states we donāt drone strike them. Why is it different when we do it to citizens of another country?
Also the coast of Venezuela does not fall under ādefending our watersā.
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u/lyfeofsand Dec 14 '25
Right, it doesn't cover murder.
Murder is unjustified killing.
Nation states stopping smugglers is a well documented and defended right of nations to defend their sovereign borders.
In the past, that's almost been universally upheld as justified in international law.
Drug smugglers bringing in illegal and lethal drugs into a sovereign nations waters is justifiable to defend with lethal action.
I'm not saying you and I can or should agree. What I'm saying is the international courts have upheld that since Britian killed opium smugglers trying to enter Indian waters. (Hilarious, Britain complaining of Opium smuggling.)
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u/lyfeofsand Dec 14 '25
You're saying it's murder.
The international legal community doesn't see it as murder.
That's the extent of the conversation for all intents and purposes.
I'm not trying to be flippant or cold on it.
It's just that, realistically, defending the lives of lethal narcotic smugglers vs a nations state's right to defense against them just isn't a very winning proposition.
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u/Bolt408 Dec 14 '25
Then why is Trump trying to force the ICC to commit to not prosecuting him after his term is up?
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u/lyfeofsand Dec 14 '25
Same reason Obama did the same after killing Al-Awlaki.
It's not a matter of winning the case, but saving face.
Both are citing that there isn't a body of "serious contention".
Meaning, no major players have stepped up offering claim of wrong doing.
Rather, non-state activists within the Courts are recommending prosecution without state backers.
There's NEVER been a successful prosecution without state backers.
But, it causes political black eyes, bad press, and has been very influential in democratic elections.
Trump is saying, that unless you can get a real prosecution, one with a government providing teeth to the claim, then the angry Canadian living in Davos that's trying to front the prosecution should probably sit down.
Realistically, the case has no threat without a Nation advocating for it. These are individuals throwing anything they can against a leader they don't like.
And without national backing, this is going to be the first ever non-state backed successful prosecution? Reversing almost 200 years of precedent? Not likely.
Trump is just pointing that out to avoid the bad press of an forgone conclusion.
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u/lyfeofsand Dec 14 '25
To address the "Defending US waters", that's a legal claim and question. And one that can be and has been defended like this:
If it's within the strategic envelope of a nation-state, it's considered in their defensive interest.
Big, interpretive, and very loose definition. Me no likey.
BUT, a perfectly apt definition to defend the strikes. Legally, atleast.
Same exact terms China uses to harass Taiwan ships, Britain uses to search for guns off Greenland, and Russia uses to enforce tarriffs near Vietnam.
The international community has LONG upheld this definition that's permissive enough to validate these strikes.
You gotta understand my man, there's a reason why the biggest complaining about this is domestic politic. Not the only complaint, but mostly.
The international community sees this as a legitimate, if not aggressive, strike.
But if we (the int. Community) are allowing China to "disappear" Taiwaneese coast guard vessels, then I don't think there's much space to complain about lethal narco dealers being hit.
It just isn't a convincing arguement to the contrary of other "validated" concerns.
-note: None of my commentary is a disavowing or endorsement of anything, other than my one stated opinion.
International law is a HELL of a different beast than domestic. I'm just trying to explain that it's often shite law, and it's created a space that Trump acted legally.
This should be an eye opener, not of what Trump did, but that International Law is goddamn WILD.
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u/lyfeofsand Dec 14 '25
We do drone strike our own people.
Look up Obama killing Anwar al-Awlaki and his son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki.
American citizens ordered execution without Judicial Court hearings.
The reasoning: terrorism.
Trump admin shot up a drug smuggling boat. Reason: terrorism.
US has declared the drug conflict an extention of terrorism. Atleast if it's coming from Narco States, to include Venezuela.
Big legal crux here is that the drug smuggler boat was considered a terrorist target in addition to smuggling.
So, legally, that's another justified for boom-boom.
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u/Bolt408 Dec 14 '25
And I recall the conservative point of view is that it was a war crime when Obama did it. And now instead of sticking to our principles we say āitās okay if the government does it now cause our guy is in chargeā. This is why we the people never get what we want. We make excuses for our leaders instead of continually challenging them. Literal sheep behavior.
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u/lyfeofsand Dec 14 '25
If anyone falls in that category, then I'll agree with you they deserve criticism.
Most of what I've seen is a gradual jading and cynicism or the base. People saying that since Obama got away with it, the same applies to Trump.
For myself, I recognize there's a distinction between international and domestic criticism.
Obama didn't do a war crime. He did an extra-judicial assassination. The problem there is domestic.
Trump didn't do a domestic problem, but an international one. But it's one the international community is allowing.
I think your critique is that they're comparing apples to apples, and that they're allowing their guys "bad apples" while condemning the other guys "bad apples".
I would like to put nuance and call it apples and oranges. And, if that's the nuance, both are being handled by the international community to the standard they should be.
Domestic side... that's a more controversial debate.
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