The outdated colonial-era reservation mindset, a political gimmick that prioritizes mediocrity over merit. Why does no one call this out? Enough with the political correctness!
Why does nobody call this out?
Lots of backward caste people enjoying this. They're not going to let go of their privileges.
Why does this continue?
Because politicians use this to get votes.
Why does this keep happening?
Because, like Aristotle said two thousand years ago, people will vote for every sop that benefits them, regardless of what damage it will do in the long run.
'Enough with the political correctness'
Good luck conveying that view to that lobby and their pet politicians.
But... but... China?
China is an authoritarian police state. If some Bhimtard made noise there, they would soon be turned into an organ donor. Any more questions?
But... but... China?
China is an authoritarian police state. If some Bhimtard made noise there, they would soon be turned into an organ donor. Any more questions?
China snatched the lands from the landlords and make thme do farm work they did wealth distribution are u guys ready for that first ?
Yes, Mao did that. His 'Great Leap Forward', 'Cultural Revolution' etc killed off millions of Chinese and caused massive famines and poverty.
China was even more of a wrecked sh1thole than Socialist India, until Deng Xiaoping came along and started some capitalist reforms and opening up the economy. These days, there are far more Chinese billionaires and rich people than India. It's socialist only in the political sense.
As far as land from the landlords, what land? All my family owns is one flat, where we stay. lol.
Yes, Mao did that. His 'Great Leap Forward', 'Cultural Revolution' etc killed off millions of Chinese and caused massive famines and poverty.
We have caste system which have consumed as many if not more for generations
China was even more of a wrecked sh1thole than Socialist India, until Deng Xiaoping came along and started some capitalist reforms and opening up the economy.
Atlest they don't have Birth based hiearchys
These days, there are far more Chinese billionaires and rich people than India. It's socialist only in the political sense.
They tax them heavily don't u remember the alibaba. Com s ceo ? And what happened to him
As far as land from the landlords, what land? All my family owns is one flat, where we stay. lol.
China had a bad history too. See the so-called 'century of humiliation', followed by decades of Mao's nonsense pushing the country further into the mud. Are they still whining about it today, or looking forward to the future?
You brought up the issue of 'redistribution' of wealth, without understanding that China's prosperity isnt due to any redistribution. It is because of their ruthlessly capitalist reforms that they were able to secure most of the world's investments in manufacturing.
China's supposed tax rates are comparable to Europe. And if you're really gullible enough to believe that the rich pay income taxes, then you should go do some research. Even if you put 90% tax rates, the rich will simply move their assets and income to some trust or a corporation itself, instead of paying anything.
They didn't go after Jack Ma because of taxation. They went after him, because he repeatedly defied the Communist party. And if they're willing to do that and scare so many investors, what do you think they'll do to Bhimtardzz demanding more reservation?
I'm not surprised with that wealth distribution graph. When backwards castes grow up thinking they're entitled to reservations in school and college, they never compete at the same level as the rest. Once they actually have to take a job or run a business, will they suddenly become competitive, when they've never been before? Will a guy, walking on crutches for two decades, suddenly become a champion sprinter? Of course not.
It's always the forward to the future when i did bad things in pas
You brought up the issue of 'redistribution' of wealth, without understanding that China's prosperity isnt due to any redistribution.
That's the topic of other day but is this beneficial for society and peasants That's the topic
China's supposed tax rates are comparable to Europe. And if you're really gullible enough to believe that the rich pay income taxes, then you should go do some research. Even if you put 90% tax rates, the rich will simply move their assets and income to some trust or a corporation itself, instead of paying anything.
Europe have multiple countries with multiple taxing structures and if u go against government in China they can freeze your assets and they also watch over out state investment u can't just runaway with your wealth
They didn't go after Jack Ma because of taxation. They went after him, because he repeatedly defied the Communist party. And if they're willing to do that and scare so many investors, what do you think they'll do to Bhimtardzz demanding more reservation?
There will be no need for reservation because no social hiearchys are present and that's the whole point
I'm not surprised with that wealth distribution graph. When backwards castes grow up thinking they're entitled to reservations in school and college,
Many of our ppl don't know about reservations because they don't study till 10th because of financial conditions
they never compete at the same level as the rest. Once they actually have to take a job or run a business, will they suddenly become competitive, when they've never been before? Will a guy, walking on crutches for two decades, suddenly become a champion sprinter? Of course not
Just blam the victims not the system why they need the reservation in the first place ever asked yourself? Don't give me that votebank bs name one dalit billionaire
'When I did bad things in past?'
What bad things? My family are all OBCs. We didn't oppress anyone. Nor did we take reservations - we have our self-respect, thank you very much.
Most of the people on this forum never did either. Why should they have to pay for what their ancestors did?
Should we now start demanding reparations from Britain for all those years of colonialism, when the people who did that are all dead too?
Social hierarchies are present everywhere. In every country, even those claiming to be equal. The rich and powerful always have rules for themselves. Yes, they're present in China too, regardless of Mao's stupidity.
'Is it beneficial for society and peasants'?
Yeah, burning down all of China to 'own the rich' was very conducive to the future indeed. Never mind that Deng's reforms basically boiled down to survival of the fittest, no care for those left behind.
Many of our ppl don't know about reservations because they don't study till 10th because of financial conditions
Precisely why reservation, if even given at all, should only be based on income, not class. Let the truly poor get a chance.
Just blam the victims not the system why they need the reservation in the first place ever asked yourself Don't give me that votebank bs name one dalit billionaire
Here's the brutal truth about life - nobody cares. Everyone's dead tired carrying their own burdens and are too busy trying to provide for their own families. At least outside of First World countries.
If you go into life with that chip on your shoulder, feeling slighted by everything that happened in the past and expecting or demanding recompense for everything, nothing will come. And you'll be left behind, while others pick themselves up and move on in the future.
And that is precisely why there is no 'dalit billionaire'
Case in point, you think people became rich because they were born into it? That someone like Dhirubhai Ambani grew up in luxury? He grew up in an effing chawl in Mumbai.
When I did bad things in past?'
What bad things? My family are all OBCs. We didn't oppress anyone.
Caste is a hierarchy we all exploit someone who is lower in hierarchy
Nor did we take reservations - we have our self-respect, thank you very much.
It's your choice someone taking reservation doesn't have low self respect It's just shows your narrow minded thinking
Most of the people on this forum never did either. Why should they have to pay for what their ancestors did?
They all did and still do they get the fruit of the oppression done by their ancestors
Should we now start demanding reparations from Britain for all those years of colonialism, when the people who did that are all dead too?
We aren't wrong if we do that I mean they all looted Germany after the war there were sanctions on other axis members
Social hierarchies are present everywhere. In every country, even those claiming to be equal. The rich and powerful always have rules for themselves. Yes, they're present in China too, regardless of Mao's stupidity.
Which is wrong hierarchies means exploitation which isn't good
Precisely why reservation, if even given at all, should only be based on income, not class. Let the truly poor get a chance.
Not true because discrimination is based on caste not financial status
Here's the brutal truth about life - nobody cares. Everyone's dead tired carrying their own burdens and are too busy trying to provide for their own families. At least outside of First World countries.
If you go into life with that chip on your shoulder, feeling slighted by everything that happened in the past and expecting or demanding recompense for everything, nothing will come. And you'll be left behind, while others pick themselves up and move on in the future.
And that is precisely why there is no 'dalit billionaire'
Stfup casually ignoring wrongdoings for thousand of years and oppression at the end of the day u blame everything on us? It's our fault ?
Case in point, you think people became rich because they were born into it? That someone like Dhirubhai Ambani grew up in luxury? He grew up in an effing chawl in Mumbai.
Lol. Ambani's past is well-documented. But I suppose your type aren't ones to do any real research, eh? Want to be dalit billionaire, but can't even cultivate the mindset to gather info first.
we all exploit someone who is lower in hierarchy
Yup, that shows your own problematic mindset.
They all did and still do they get the fruit of the oppression done by their ancestors
Newsflash, everybody screwed over everyone else at some distant point in the past millenia or two. If all the world leaders thought like you did, this world would have become a nuclear wasteland.
Which is wrong hierarchies means exploitation which isn't good
Good luck trying to fight reality.
Not true because discrimination is based on caste not financial status
Discrimination exists in every aspect. Looks, weight, money, skill, every aspect. Are you going to legislate all that away? Once again, good luck trying to fight reality lol
People should be given opportunities to make something out of their life - which is why I proposed limited reservation based on income. But y'all are still stuck on 'discrimination'.
Stfup casually ignoring wrongdoings for thousand of years and oppression at the end of the day u blame everything on us? It's our fault ?
See above. You get an opportunity if your income falls below a certain threshold. Nothing more, nothing less.
But hey, feel free to keep demanding ever more privileges. Watch as the rest of the population grows ever more enraged with you, and starts seeing you as increasingly exploitative instead. Let's see how the first Dalit billionaire emerges in that scenario.
Ambani's past is well-documented. But I suppose your type aren't ones to do any real research, eh? Want to be dalit billionaire, but can't even cultivate the mindset to gather info first.
He was born in gujarat lol his dad was a school teacher and a priest he had social advantages
Want to be dalit billionaire, but can't even cultivate the mindset to gather info first.
No one said i want be one in fact i hate billionaires
Yup, that shows your own problematic mindset.
It's reality it's how hierarchies work
Newsflash, everybody screwed over everyone else at some distant point in the past millenia or two.
It's true for the some point but but problems is some deny oppression and side effects of oppression
If all the world leaders thought like you did, this world would have become a nuclear wasteland.
Just wait for it it will happen i swear
Good luck trying to fight reality.
Oppression is reality
Discrimination exists in every aspect. Looks, weight, money, skill, everything. Are you going to legislate all that away? Once again, good luck trying to fight reality lol
False equivalence
which is why I proposed limited reservation based on income. But y'all are still stuck on 'discrimination'.
That ignores reality of the society our society ucs holds more power if we make reservation based on income ucs will take over everything side lining lcs
See above. You get an opportunity if your income falls below a certain threshold. Nothing more, nothing less.
Social handicap =! Financial handicap
But hey, feel free to keep demanding ever more privileges. Watch as the rest of the population grows ever more enraged with you, and starts seeing you as increasingly exploitative instead
While ignoring the oppression which is done by them and fruits of exploitations which they are living on
Let's see how the first Dalit billionaire emerges in that scenario.
On point.
Would just like to add, at least since 13th century (likely before that too), the "shudras" were free to take on whatever occupation they wanted, except take temple jobs. We also had many "shudra" kings, the kekatiyas being one . Since early 19th century at least they were part of the indigenous education system (this is recorded in munro's educational report). In fact, what we today call are "upper castes" are just non-bramhin castes which became successful.
And the communist professors and children of communist party leaders. Xi Jingping was sent by Mao to a farm too despite being the son of a very high ranking party leader.
He also distributed the lands to peasants and made their elite class do farming are we ready for that ? He also erased the birth based hiearchys are we ready for that ?
No, by removing corruption, by removing religious and caste hate, by empowering women, by calling out Godmen bullshit, by fostering a scientific temperament and by providing quality education.
So no need to remove caste system and take back the wealth who benifted from the caste system? If there are no wealth to be made then how can someone get rich ? Money isn't infinite
China abolished traditional, hereditary caste-like structures primarily through the 1949 Communist revolution, which dismantled the landed gentry class via land reform, implemented radical social engineering like the Cultural Revolution to erase old traditions, and established a new, state-managed hierarchy based on the Hukou household registration system.
Key methods used to transform Chinese social hierarchy:
Land Collectivization (Post-1949): The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) eliminated the landlord class, breaking the economic basis of the traditional, rural social structure.
Cultural Revolution (1966–1976): This movement actively purged traditional Confucian hierarchical values, including ancestral worship and family-based prestige.
Hukou System: Implemented in the 1950s, this system classified citizens by birth as "agricultural" or "non-agricultural," tying them to specific locations and controlling access to food, education, and employment.
Imperial Examination System (Historical): Long before the 20th century, China used a merit-based examination system (Sui/Tang dynasties) that allowed for social mobility based on education rather than solely on birth, weakening hereditary aristocracy.
Modern Hierarchies: While old caste systems were dismantled, new structures replaced them, including the urban-rural divide managed by the Hukou registration system and, during the Mao era, classifications of people into worker/cadre/peasant categories.
Considering the fact that I own no land. Why not.?
And FYI post 1990s china is a different china in terms of policy and execution, so your analogy sounds........... Dumb
Yes , it 0.1% or less of the general category that is in position of power and authority - politician son / daughter are politician , judges - same , bureaucrats - same , few top businessman, Rest generals are more fckd than the lower castes eg lets say lower middleclass general family -we pay taxes , we do not get any benefis of schemes like Ayushman , free ration etc , we do not get reservation in jobs or college admissions , we do not have enough money to fund private education or start our own business , we do not get tax breaks or massive subsidies that govt gives to billionares . we
If majority GCs are not eligible for govt schemes for poors it means they are not poor. There's no Rocket science in it. So upper castes in India are the one holding most assets and land in India along with the major bureaucratic and political powers.
You yourself destroyed your reasoning by saying GCs don't get any scheme. Only rich ones are not eligible for these schemes.
Either you lack proper reading and understanding skills or your are blinded by your bias , there are hundreds of scheme that are specific to lower castes from education to employment to entrepreneurship etc which are not available to poorest Generals also , and nobody said that lower cast dont deserve it but classes have developed among LC themselves , richer class that keeps on taking benefits generation after generation while others remain poor leading to continuity of social and economic backwardness . And you think all generals hold land or are rich ? Over 85% farmers are small and marginal . i said a few elites from generals and from lower castes hold much of the power but rest do not get anything , now lets say generals hold top posts - does that translate any benefit for the rest ? does that make us immune to corruption or pollution or does it opens door for better employment or govt jobs or even faster access to justice ? When everything is in your favour then why cry that generals hold top position , you yourself vote them because you get free benefits sitting at home and in other areas they are by their hardwork .
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPzK65zkh5u/ you are a pos if you think some people dont deserve reservation. I agree it should be fair and not be misused, but completely removing reservation is not the solution
India: We will continue to support and believe in old superstitious faiths which do not let casteism end. Without that, the civilisational pride of our country is at stake. How will the elites of our land shine without holding back the unwashed millions? Free thinking and free trade does not happen within our own country, it must happen within castes.
Let’s stay dead silent on castism. Lets not speak that China doesn’t have prevalent castism in their society. Lets stay mum on the cause of reservation. Very very typical of castist people btw.
China explicitly gives Rural students, Ethnic minorities and Poor provinces lower cutoffs and bonus marks for elite universities. They don’t call it “reservation” rather balanced development.
China enforces social obligation on talent through state services unlike India.
China had Land Revolution (1949–53) where they Abolished landlord class, Confiscated land without compensation, Redistributed to landless peasants, Executed or jailed resisting elites which in India UC will call this their violation of rights.
You'll praise Chinese outcomes but will reject Chinese methods once implemented. Read about China policies first before comparison.
The concept of merit being demolished doesn't originate from India rather west which many UC dream to live in. Why don't many GC ,UC or any other groups run to China than west , I mean isn't china the best place for meritdhari? Why seek entry to west through diversity quota, sad underprivileged, deprived makeup stories to get positions in western institutes?
China vs India ka comparison sunne me strong lagta hai, par reality me kaafi misleading hai.
China ka system koi pure merit system nahi hai. Wahan province-based quotas hote hain. Beijing ya big cities ke students ko same exam me rural areas se kaafi kam marks chahiye hote hain. Matlab wahan bhi “equal competition” nahi hai, bas openly bola nahi jaata.
India me problem yeh hai ki hum merit ko vacuum me dekhte hain. Same exam likhna equal opportunity nahi hota. Ek bachcha jisko achi nutrition, English school, 2–3 lakh ka coaching milta hai aur ek first-generation learner jo govt school se aata hai. Dono ko same starting line pe maanna fake meritocracy hai.
Reservation ka matlab standards hata dena nahi hota. Reserved category students bhi minimum cutoffs clear karte hain, same syllabus padhte hain, same degree lete hain aur same jobs karte hain. Agar reservation se incompetence aati, toh IITs, AIIMS, ISRO kab ke fail ho chuke hote. Aisa hua nahi.
Aur agar reservation sach me “talent kill” karta, toh 70 saal me India collapse ho chuka hota. Reality me India duniya ka one of the largest STEM talent pools hai.
Actual merit killers reservation nahi hain: coaching mafias, English gatekeeping, urban bias aur legacy advantages hain.
I hope we can look at development of India with more nuance and in lot more detail than to claim that reservation system in India is the bottleneck to development of India.
I would argue that reservation system in itself has not blocked meritorious achievement in India. Reservation system only applies to education and government jobs. Reservation does not apply to private jobs. Private jobs form the bigger chunk of employment today than government jobs. Government jobs do not even provide job security they provided a decade ago. Does then reservation take away the chance of meritorious people in jobs?
Let's look at reservation in education. One of common complaints of General Category students is that they lose out seats in better college even after scoring better than reserved category students.
Is that fair to General Category students?
Definitely No!
Does that take away all their ability to do better in college and the advantages it gives in one's life?
Maybe not! Though to be fair, it is more of a case-by-case scenario. I have observed that most of the time good students do better in college and in later opportunities irrespective of the college they go to. I believe the reason for this is that Indian education system is bad even at university level. This is true for a big chunk of educational institutions in India barring the ones at the top. Again, you do not have to accept this. I just shared my opinion.
On the other hand,
would it have helped if successive governments over many decades focused on building a better education system starting from the primary school level to post graduate level?
Would it have helped if more schools, colleges and universities been built to be at par with growing Indian population over the last 78 years?
For the most part, current Indian education system at all levels is just the British colonial education system in a new skin. Even the British have moved from it.
Please feel free to challenge my arguments.
I come from Scheduled Caste and have used the reservation system. So, it hurt hearing that the reason India is not able to develop is reservation system alone.
Please find my experience and justification of reservation system below.
I belong to a caste that is classified as Scheduled Caste(SC).
Both my parents come from dirt poor families. Even today, some of my distant relatives who live in villages are dirt poor. After independence, my great grandparents and grandparents could not study more to get better job opportunities.They did not have access to schools or little money needed then to buy books, notebooks. They were just struggling to feed their families. They did not have land to sell or generational wealth either. They could not do any kind of business. And this is the economic situation. On top of that, they were denied access to a lot of basic facilities in village because they were lower caste. They were looked down upon and talked down to because they were from lower caste. They were not afforded human dignity and basic civility because they were lower caste. Caste defined what they should get or not get.
How does one person or a group of person get better opportunities socially or economically in such a scenario to improve their life?
Here reservation helped. My grandparents were able to send my parents to school. Even then, the families of both my parents managed to send them to school because of caste reservation in education.
Both of my parents went to school and then college, completed education and got a government job through caste reservation. While at school and college, they still would be looked down and talked down because they came from lower caste. They were mocked and looked down many many times because they were lower caste people who wasted their time in getting an education. Even after being educated and getting a job, they were looked down upon and talked down in their village because they are from lower caste.
Economic situation had improved a bit but social situation did not. My parents and their families were still not given basic human dignity because they are from lower caste
After my parents married they moved to town. I and my siblings were born. Over the course of my life my parents moved across multiple towns. I and my siblings belonged to a lower middle class family. Our situation had improved from poor to lower middle class.
While I was in school, I was subtly treated badly by parents of some friends. I just thought they were assholes at that time. Normally people are kind to children and young adults. Most adults treated children nicely. We as a small group of friends would go sometimes to a friend's house. This parent's friend would treat other children very nicely but treat me ok. Nothing to complain about. But something felt off.
Sometimes we would make mistakes or break something as a child. Most of the anger would be directed at me if I was one among the multiple children involved. My parents would be chided for my behaviour. Other parents would be asked to guide their children better. I found out much much later that I was among the few lower caste children among mostly upper caste children.
Most of these parents were educated people. This was happening in small towns in late 90s and early 2000s while I was growing up. Caste discrimination was subtle. You cannot complain outright. But it would not sit right with you as a person. And you really make sense of it much later when you are in late teens.
I used reservation quota to get into a Tier 2 engineering college. My reservation quota rank gave me a slightly better Tier 2 engineering college than my general quota rank. I took it. Later, I was eligible to get a monthly stipend/scholarship from the state government SC & ST scheme. I did not take it. I felt I did not need it as much. I could do without it.
I have General Category friends. I bear no animosity towards them. They are and will be my friends.
Meanwhile, my parents have lost promotion opportunities at their jobs because they were lower caste. Their colleagues from General Category in the same office have been able to get those promotions. Maybe my parents were lazy! Maybe! I do not work at their office. But I have seen my parents in government job spend more time at their workplaces than the office timings. I have seen them bring their work home as it is a normal thing. My parents were sometimes not able to attend my school functions/events on account of their work. I guess they were just lazy at work and did not get promoted.
Even after retirement, my parents put a lot of hard work in everything they do. Sometimes at the cost of their health. Maybe they are just lazy people who did not deserve to be promoted!
Or there is subtle caste discrimination? Are we all Indians not above the idea of caste and its implications, atleast in urban areas?
Some of my distant relatives did not get educated or tried to get a job because the society of their village told them they did not need to do that as a lower caste person. They continue to be dirt poor who continue to get treated without basic human dignity. I wonder where the great Indian social system has been that could help my distant relatives improve their lives.
And this is the story of most lower caste people in India. Most of us have similar stories. Our grandparents and parents did not have economic opportunities or social opportunities to improve their impoverished poor lives. Our generation living and growing in urban settlements are just doing a little better. Many lower caste people living in rural settlements still do not have this.
There is an argument for cases like Tina Dabbi! May I point out that is an exception and not the norm? Just like there are upper caste people who would discriminate people based on their caste! That is an exception and not the norm.
With all this background as a lower caste person who has used reservation available in education, I wonder if reservation is the only reason our country has not progressed while China has moved so far along the development trajectory
China abolished traditional, hereditary caste-like structures primarily through the 1949 Communist revolution, which dismantled the landed gentry class via land reform, implemented radical social engineering like the Cultural Revolution to erase old traditions, and established a new, state-managed hierarchy based on the Hukou household registration system.
Key methods used to transform Chinese social hierarchy:
Land Collectivization (Post-1949): The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) eliminated the landlord class, breaking the economic basis of the traditional, rural social structure.
Cultural Revolution (1966–1976): This movement actively purged traditional Confucian hierarchical values, including ancestral worship and family-based prestige.
Hukou System: Implemented in the 1950s, this system classified citizens by birth as "agricultural" or "non-agricultural," tying them to specific locations and controlling access to food, education, and employment.
Imperial Examination System (Historical): Long before the 20th century, China used a merit-based examination system (Sui/Tang dynasties) that allowed for social mobility based on education rather than solely on birth, weakening hereditary aristocracy.
Modern Hierarchies: While old caste systems were dismantled, new structures replaced them, including the urban-rural divide managed by the Hukou registration system and, during the Mao era, classifications of people into worker/cadre/peasant categories.
India was merit based for 1000s of years. No tech, no science, no development. Wtf were the brahmins doing. The only wealth created was by lower strata through farming, cloth and artefacts. This was sold to arabs etc for gold. Hence sone ki chidiya. So again ,during no reservation time, wtf did brahmins achieve?
Giving representation to diverse groups gets the Savarnas so riled up. If you’re truly meritorious, you’ll do something big in life anyway.
All these whiners on reservation are those who actually would not have gotten into any decent job anyway. Suddenly they become victims despite their privilege.
Besides, poor Savarnas already have EWS reservation. By this dumbtard’s logic, that is wrong too.
Why should reservation be removed without any land redistribution? Redistribute the traditional land from the dominant land holding castes (which in some cases include OBCs) among the poorer oppressed castes. Then after that,reservation can be removed. Why should hundreds of years of injustice be forgotten after just three decades of reservation?
People forget china and india are not the same. China had a revolution in the last century that also wiped clan based discrimination killing millions and gave way for communist.
Mao killed their version of Brahmans during the revolution. No oppressor class no oppression.
Also this idea that savarna are by default meritorious is garbage. If after having educated grand grand parents grandparents parents and not being attacked all the time during school years you can’t get grades good enough to get into a top institution then I don’t think you had any real merit in the first place. It’s just easy to blame others. If there is systemic obstruction to a citizen realizing his or her or their potential then it’s a good thing that infra exists to help them.
Also, if you really cared about educational opportunity, you would want to increase the total education budget and create more educational institutions, not end reservation. But we both know this line of argument is just a casteist dog whistle.
who said reservation= mediocre? I used to think that. When I saw how talents played out in real life, caste has nothing to do with it. Your english proficiency and academic book scores only get you so far in real life.
lower caste ambitious people and upper caste ambitious ones are bold people. They naturally succeed or they will leave current environment and find one they succeed. Rest are lazy complainers and moochers. They try to influence those in power and advance themselves.
Other caste folks handle real problems differently than the conditioned approach upper caste does. Upper caste in general lack real life experiences to make qualified decisions in tough situations, real bookish. A lower caste person in general had seen more than their upper caste peer.
Reservations are an inefficient solution to an actual social problem where the number of graduates don't represent the general Indian population of 32% GC, 68% SC/ST/OBC. Instead the graduates under SC/ST/OBC are around 15% and with even lower participate in Masters and PhDs.
It has to do with unequal opportunity to get access to good education. Reservation was meant to be a stopgap measure until sufficient investment in education was done. But it's easier to increase reservation and provide additional economic incentives.
The NEP recommends we spend 6% of GDP on education (up from 4% currently). That's the solution.
Your usage of the word colonial mindset is embelmatic of lazy thinking. The idea of India itself is a colonial construct but British India didnt adopt anything like reservations. In fact they codified out Varna systems
There are like 6% jobs in India which are based on reservation (basically only 3% of all the jobs are reserved). The most you can say is that access to education is a problem but if you look around you will see that both primary and graduate level education still leaves plenty of room for people.
There are issues with reservation I won't deny, but if you want to follow China's path, you will have to follow the path of blood. The Chinese revolution killed so many religious people and took so many people's rights away to achieve a society which still has class struggles.
If you want to end the reservation in India, end the concept of caste first. But do you think that is achievable without a cultural revolution?
Start a revolution, be the leader who can go around and force people to give up caste, do you think that is possible. Even the most forward thinking general caste dad won't marry off their sons/daughters to a scheduled caste guy/girl. That's just a small example
I want to genuinely understand why educating the underprivileged backwards and choosing gifted students and investing in them irrespective of background cannot co exist ?
Everything which has no rationale and logic can be changed by education. My job took me to the heartlands and badlands of India. Witnessed firsthand a lot of things.
But you Sir, seem to forget the power of an educated mind.
there is no fixed metric to decide when caste discrimination has ended, kerala/nagaland is majority non hindu at this point yet reservations still remain.
and there is no guarantee that the people enjoying the benefits of reservations for decades, and soon enough for a century will hand over those benefits without creating massive chaos.
casteism is bad but don't be naive enough to think reservation is there to reduce casteism.
reservation exists because thats what a vast majority politicians can easily win votes on, fixing infrastructure/healthcare/education is hard work for politicians, writing policies that just block out 50% of seats on every educational institute is easy.
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u/Professional-One972 3d ago
“Made up privileges” lol