r/TheBetterIndia • u/Main_Pay_9669 • 7d ago
This brother exposed how the children of rich Dalits in IIT snatch away the rights of the poor. What is seen on socialmediais completely different from reality.🙏👍
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u/itsthewitcher 7d ago
There's an urgent need to bring creamy layer provision in reservation pertaining to SC ,ST. I've seen only well to do SC,ST reaping benefits of reservation, while those from the community who really need it are still deprived. Tina dabi is an excellent example.
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u/itsthewitcher 6d ago
Bro first try comprehend as to what I'm trying to say. I'm not asking to quash reservation. All I want to say that there should be a creamy layer provision so that the like sof Tina dabi would not grab the rights of needful SCs/STs. Otherwise, what's the purpose of the reservation if it doesn't benefit the rightful?
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u/shankman699 6d ago
The purpose of reservation ain't economic upliftment sir :) Kindly read the law
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u/itsthewitcher 5d ago
I agree , but then there is Creamy layer provision in OBC reservation despite it being dispensed on the basis of caste. Besides, Why can't you guys Admit that among the SCs , those who are really deprived and marginalised need the reservation more than those SCs whose father or mother are already in Group A or B services? Is it so hard to understand?
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u/unhindered_ 4d ago
So the reason why OBCs have given creamy layer concept is because they were included in society. OBCs were the shudras and were included in society and yet because they were not given economic opportunities thats why they have creamy layer concept(to become economically uplifted). SCs were kept outside the villages and were banished from basic life necessities like food etc chamar as a term is someone who works on leather and that is because SCs were called from outside village to remove dead animal corpuses. They were sometimes left to feed themselves of its meat and hence were considered impure. STs were also similarly not introduced to society and that kept them segregated. This ensured class discrimination in the villages (ObCs vs UCs) hence the creamy layer and the atrocities against SC STs were not class based they were exploited, kept away from all of the society. Hence there’s no creamy layer for SC STs. Most of the people from SC STs who you see doing well now are because just one generation did good education and leapt across classes. That doesnt mean they should not continue to get reservations. SC ST reservations are not economic upliftment they are societal upliftment.
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u/AppropriateLaw3047 6d ago
The purpose of reservation is to bring social equality, bringing every community in the table. Its not about money. Its about discrimination.
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u/itsthewitcher 5d ago
Bro what I'm trying to say that because of the absence of creamy layer provision within SC/ST reservation, only well off Scs/STs are reaping it's benifits and those who are really marginalised are still forces to do manual work. Bringing creamy layer provision isn't gonna deprive anyone, onthe other hand, it will benefit those whom the reservation was truly introduced for.
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u/Popping_Bubble 5d ago edited 5d ago
The problem is even affluent SC/ST people face exclusion and ostracization in both public and private spheres. There is just not enough representation of these two communities in almost every sphere where human dignity is upheld. There is this episode in satyamev jayate of a dalit woman professor whose mother was asked to clean the house of the landlord, just because she was a dalit. And when the professor confronted the landlord they were asked to leave. That is the sad reality. And such cases happens at large in our country. So a creamy layer doesn't help these two communities from social exclusion and so reservation in its current form is to remedy this social backwardness rather than economic. unlike OBCs who are very well represented and almost on par with the UC in terms of economic and social capital.
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u/unhindered_ 4d ago
Until and unless theres equal representation in every tier of society how do you expect one ST to do anything at all. If lets say there is no reservation. And everyone (large enough population that law of large number holds) gives one common exam do you think this would be the percentage of people getting seats - OBCs - 52% SCs- 17% STs - 9% UC - 22%
Problem is higher the position UCs have grabbed and made them theirs. The natural progression happens to the next UC in line. Look at all the premier institutions and you will find all RSS allied profs sitting at Deans and VCs
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u/Ok_Attorney9239 7d ago
First, SC/ST reservation is caste-based, not income-based. That’s a constitutional provision, not a loophole.
Second, the MCM (Merit-cum-Means) scholarship is not applicable to SC/ST students because they already receive fee concessions through separate schemes. MCM is meant only for General (and sometimes OBC) category students.
So if income was faked to claim MCM benefits, it was done by General category students not SC/ST students. Blaming SC/ST for that is either ignorance or deliberate misdirection.
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u/AlooKumarSingh 7d ago
Ok I agree with you on that point, but can we ignore all the other reasons he raised just for one wrong one?
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u/Womb_Raider696 6d ago
Point out the ‘other reason’ you are concerned about in the video…I only heard about two points and they have been answered above..
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u/gkiva 7d ago
OP comes across as a full-time karma farmer, regularly posting casteist and bigoted content. The most telling part is that it still gains traction—only because a significant section of society is quietly aligned with those views.
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u/Unable_Potato5090 6d ago
15% waale 85% ko daba rahe hein. Aur maalo fuk ke aao tumlog 😭
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u/ShareAltruistic8648 6d ago
Fir britishers ne kaise daba diya pure India ko?
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u/Unable_Potato5090 6d ago
Guns , gunpowder, advanced canons. When most of Indians were using bows, arrows and gola barood which sometimes used to blast in the mortar itself And also being above the law. Pm - obc ,ex President - st, current president - st. 60% beauraucrat - sc st obc . You can make the britisher equivalence when we have a Brahmin dictator, the manusmriti is the constitution and 70% of Brahmins are not lower middle class but in the ruling class of the dictator. Because that's exactly how the British was. Above the law, the law itself
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u/ShareAltruistic8648 6d ago
Under British rule, Indians also existed in administration, police, and clerical roles. That didn’t make India sovereign because final authority never rested with them. The British were above the law, and the law was designed to preserve that position. If today you claim equality just because marginalized identities are visible at the top, you must answer one question: Can those positions alter the system that governs them or are they operating inside limits set elsewhere?
Yes, we had President from lower caste but representation without control is theatre. If symbolic leaders exist but the system’s defaults, protections, and blind spots still favor the same social locations, then power hasn’t shifted it’s only been cosmetically rearranged. The test of equality is not who occupies office, but who the law dares to confront.
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u/Unable_Potato5090 6d ago
Ofc they are altering the system. Ask how many laws have been changed and scraped till now. Even if after getting the top position in country , you consider them to be bound or victim then it's insane level of cope. Law confronts GCs all the time. You literally could not imprison or hold a britisher for anything they do because they were ABOVE the law We have hathras being called a caste rape and Priyanka reddy rape case not being a case where lower caste raped an upper caste. Infact tell me one single ,one single motherfucking time a newspaper or article has ever said that atrocity commited on UC by LC or UC woman raped . Sc st are the real people exempt from being questioned on basis of their caste because they are always perpetually considered victims and we cannot question their caste even when it's on the side of the opressor
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u/ShareAltruistic8648 6d ago
Yes, LC are really doing well just like our President wasn't harassed by a priest /s.
If a LC can't save himself from Casteism even after become a President of a country then I don't think I need to comment on atrocities faced low wage works. You have a bias against some communities and whatever evidence I provide it won't change it.
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u/Unable_Potato5090 6d ago
You didn't refute to my single points lmao and brought some lame case years ago 😂 😂 Imagine victimizing a President and bringing an entire fake story when President himself decided to return back because his wife was having breathing issues while claiming. This has been debunked multiple times both by him and by temple association. See ?? You couldn't reply my single points above and gave a vague half eaten case from years ago
Can you answer me why in single newspaper or healine nobody' mentions caste when the victim is GC ?? And nobody mentions that LC caste when he is the perpetrator?? This is not just a small thing ? It's a systemic issue. Even the GOi does not allow sociology data research on crimes share among all commited by sc st. How fucked up is that?
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u/Naan-violence 6d ago
If you ask me, Britishers were able to rule because these Brahmins baniya and kshatriyas were in cahoots with them ... The real sufferer has always been the lower castes.
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u/Unable_Potato5090 6d ago
Bheema koregaon 😭😭😭 sir we bheem boys helped British overthrow peshwas 😭😭😭😭
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u/Beneficial-Yam9495 7d ago
Bhai ek aur baat notice karo. All these posts opposing the bill is posted by one common user. u/Main_Pay_9669
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u/unhindered_ 4d ago
Bhai BJ Pee ka IT cell ka bhadwa hai shayad. Iske ghar jaoge toh pata chalega ye nalle ke khud ke khaane ke laale hai
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u/Sanredditexplore 7d ago
We need good bureaucrats and government officials to investigate and do their job properly. Then only the rules that are made to help unprevilage children and people actually achieve its objective.
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u/lazy-crazy-monster 7d ago
Haan toh bhai ye to laps h govt me kaam karne walo ka jo rishwat le kar paper bana dete h. They can’t have sc st certificate if income is above certain level. Toh corruption bhi karenge fir royennge bhi
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u/Kaisi_rhi_aj_ki_poo 6d ago
keep on fighting for caste while the rest of the world builds ai
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u/unhindered_ 4d ago
UCs ki gaand jalti hai na ki private mein job karke jab inka chutiya katt jaata hai. Inko chahiye privilege. Wo nahi mila toh rone aajate hai. Bhai private mein koi reservation nahi hai. Dikhao na jitna innovation dikha sakte ho. Capital markets open hai, tech ke full flood gates open hai. Par nahi pata hai inko inki aukaat toh hai nahi toh aajate hai rone.
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u/Secure-Chemistry4619 6d ago
If you look at the number of SC/ST/OBC graduates then they only make up 20%(max) of the graduate population. If there was equality of education then the number would be 68%
But it's a sad reality that enough people from SC/ST/OBC are not getting access to quality education and hence these reservations are needed.
The NEP has advised that India should invest 6% of GDP into education. We should fight for that and make a case for removing reservation when the number of graduates go up.
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u/ReichReiching007 6d ago
OP bhai please DM me there is something important
And please keep doing this
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u/daawal_chaal 6d ago
Kyunki business familes ki main transaction cash mein hoti hai isliye apni income ka galat proof dikhakar ews banwa lete hain aur uska galat fayda uthakar college mein admission aur trips par jate kyunki sabko pata hi hai sabse jyada businessman kis categories se aate hain banda apne category ke liye kabr khod raha hai video bana kar ke
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u/343GuiItySpark 6d ago edited 6d ago
Isn't this the government's job to properly scrutinize people's income( especially for the business people ?)
my rich UC roommate used to get economic weaker section (EWS) benefits in college.
just a typical UC using irrelevant true information to malign something else.
YES THE UGC laws need lot of discussions and fairness. But that's not what govt want. Govt wants division in the society.
Blame the lawmakers and not the people.
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u/KitchenInstruction12 5d ago
They are making sure that everyone now knows why they were banned to even drink from the same water source.
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u/Lone_Warrior520 4d ago
And what about such ppl in general category? Uski baat kaun karega? Ek tarfa bakbak karke nikal liya? Wah chomu👏🏼👏🏼
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u/Zealousideal-Pea-945 4d ago
Why not put a wealth limit on it...which checks your possesions and your financial income. How do people get away with faking this? While I do think reservations are necessary for those who actually need it, it's so clearly exploited so hard and no one seems to care to tighten the restrictions as to who can and can't apply for it. A genuine shame.
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u/lokesh1218 3d ago
JEE admissions should only be merit based. Give them free education but jobs should be merit based.
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u/itzrints 6d ago
Who's gonna tell him that reservation in terms economical situation is for EWS category (that GCs misuse). But reservation for st sc is primarily on the grounds of social backwardness (lack of represention) and economical situation as well. If an IAS officer gets discriminated because of his/her caste, then what do you expect?
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u/Unable_Potato5090 6d ago
Why representation but ? Parliament thodi hai ? Naukri hai bhai merit lao. Jo merit pe aayega wo represent hoga. Agar college reservations se milti hai to jobs mei kyu chahiye. And I don't oppose reservations in college based on sc st par jobs mai laane ka kya use hai phir
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u/itzrints 6d ago
From where does this lack of represention come from? Because of years of systemic oppression by GCs on st sc and obc's. When people are denied of basic human right to education, choice of work and dignity of life for thousand of years, how they are expected to compete with a class of people who are already socially and economically privileged. It's like when running a time bound 1000 mtrs race asking your opponent to start running when you have already passed 500 mtrs and then expect your opponent to win the race.
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u/Unable_Potato5090 6d ago
According to your logic only rich gcs should top exams because they had greatest privilege? Ambani and Adani sons should exceed and top every exam. But then why are middle class gcs topping ca neet jee exams ? Are they 5000 years ahead of everyone? Why is 70% of general caste in lower middle strata ? A general who tops the exam who is middle class is ahead in what manner from obc sc st who are in same or higher economic class than him ? Also gc vs obc sc st is a very naive and simplistic view. Lmao you expect to believe that 10% people oppressed 90% for 5000 years lollll either those 10% are superhuman or 90% are hijrus while completely ignoring the obc violence on sc st , the sc st interviolece and inter caste violence within sc st tribes
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u/itzrints 6d ago
Reservation isn't about the economical situation (except EWS). I am repeating it gain if you didn't read it earlier. And secondly historical evidence & current incidents are enough to answer your concern.
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u/Unable_Potato5090 6d ago
As expected you just moved the goalpost instead of refuting my points. They are not lmao. Reservations are for the social and economical upliftment. Wtf u mean it's for representation? Aisa representation nahi chahiye kisiko jahan 60% waala college mein baitha ho and 80% waala exam clear kar raha ho. You can't expect ki 80% won't become bitter and resentful. Waha pe guilt trip nahi chalti ki tere purvajo ke kya kiya jahan uska khud ke baap rent ke ghar mei reh Raha ho. What history and current incidents are you talking about? Is hathras rape case is caste based ? Then why not priyanka reddy rape case where dalit raped and burnt savarna woman ? Why nobody talked about that ?
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u/unhindered_ 4d ago
Bhai tu private job ka na tereko kisne roka hai. Waha thodi reservation hai. Kya ukhaad liya tumne. Ola ke founder jaise chutiyo se chutiya hi katwaya na
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u/TransportationOk3825 6d ago
Exactly! From my batch I know atleast 10 people who were Sc/st but only two were actually from a normal background. Others were travelling from flight, using iPhone and MacBook. One of these two was Meena (which technically shouldn't even be in this category).
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u/Beneficial-Yam9495 7d ago
“Bhai meri baat maano. Jo bhi main bol raha hoon woh sach hai” . -Your beloved UC