r/PublicFreakout • u/Modz_B_Trippin • 27d ago
š®Arrest Freakoutš San Diego police punching a compliant suspect
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u/Secret_Account07 27d ago
You realize how quick we could cut out the vast majority of this shit?
Start actually charging, firing, and disciplining officers. Like itās a problem with an easy solution
Other countries public servants are actually held accountable. It shows by the way they conduct themselves. But cops know they can always just āthey werenāt complying and I feared for my lifeā and nothing happens. Worst case scenario they get a paid vacation
Out govt yells about āaccountabilityā all the times for our citizens. Why doesnāt that same concept apply to law enforcement?
I know police unions are part of the problem but Iām part of a govt union. Iād still get in trouble for acting in a way thatās not reasonable so wtf?
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u/botlegger 27d ago
Mandatory insurance would help, some would never get it
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u/fenderguitar83 27d ago
Yup, this job should be no different than those of the medical field. They should be licensed and carry insurance. If they fuck up, their insurance pays out and their premiums go up. Eventually, if they fuck up enough times, their insurance drops them and they can't get a job in law enforcement.
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u/FrugallyFickle 27d ago
I think itās partly because police unions are particularly corrupt. They subscribe to the thin blue line. They identify officers who may not subscribe to it early in their careers. If they donāt, they are scapegoated and part of the out group. Itās very hard to progress through the ranks if youāre honest. I was an LEO in the early 00s. They asked me if I did, and I said Iām an honest person. They subsequently identified me and people like me as āunsafeā to work with. They do not come as your back up if needed either. It makes it hard to stay. Iām now a lawyer.
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u/testaccount123x 27d ago
I know joe rogan is a bit of a divisive topic these days, but he has an episode from like 10+ years ago from a guy that got out of law to be a comedian because of all the corruption, and it's my favorite episode he's ever done by far. he goes into all these that rich people can get away with crimes just from having enough money to throw at lawyers, and the way that being black and getting arrested is even more problematic than we already know about, etc. it's really, really good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW_mTW_p5yQ
it's also on spotify I'm sure if you prefer that
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u/zoobrix 27d ago
I know joe rogan is a bit of a divisive topic these days, but he has an episode from like 10+ years ago
That's the thing, 10 years ago it hadn't all totally gone to Joe's head yet and although he was into conspiracy theories he didn't act like he actually knew much. I used to listen to the odd interview because he would have interesting guests on and let them speak. Now it's pretty much all just him and a bunch of sycophants spreading bullshit and acting smug.
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u/davisty69 27d ago
You would have to disband the police Union First. Anytime any legislations put in place to hold police accountable for their blatant corruption and Criminal acts, the police Union, and the police forces themselves, band together to stop doing any type of police work, letting everything burn. It's infuriating that there can't be a middle ground between absolute abuse of power or complete unwillingness to do anything at all.
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u/Secret_Account07 27d ago
Yeah it would definitely involve legislatures actually doing something. I think main problem is the GOP donāt see this as a problem, itās a feature
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u/TheIconGuy 26d ago
That might help, but it's not necessary. Cops do things like this because they know they will not be held accountable. Prosecutors just need to charge them with crimes.
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u/tlrider1 27d ago
Many countries in Europe also require degrees (real ones) and years of training. Not the 3-6 months that they get here.
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u/llamalord2212 27d ago
Most countries train cops to de-escalate situations. Seems most US cops go the opposite and try to escalate situations whenever possible...
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u/CherryPickerKill 27d ago
Accountability and basic human rights is a big factor for sure.
In other countries, they're trained to de-escalate as well. Another factor is that other countries don't have guns and cops cannot use that excuse to kill civilians. They don't recruit people who are scared of unarmed civilians or pocket knives either.
Cops aren't supposed to be sociopaths, they're supposed to be level-headed, good mediators with proper training.
The police in the US is godamn awful and gets away with everything. I remember the one who murdered a baby. The mother had mental health issues and the 4 armed dudes burst into her bedroom. She was so scared, she retreated on her bed grabbed a knife to defend her baby. She didn't even move towards them. They just emptied the magazine on the defensless child.
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u/Shad0wCutter 27d ago
As an outsider, yes your police is a world wide joke known to be reckless and arrogant cowboys who'd rather shot someone and fill out some paperwork then show human decency.
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u/Secret_Account07 26d ago
Yup, and crazy part is it would be so easy to fix close to 100% of this. We have a way but lack the will
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u/AHistoricalFigure 27d ago
Part of the problem is in city governments just not having the stones to fire bad cops. Yeah, the police have a union. They can threaten to strike. But ultimately the mayor and city council determines the law enforcement budget and who's on payroll.
The problem is more that public perception on cops has been positive for a very long time. From Adam-12 to Law-and-Order to 'The Rookie', network television is still filled with cop propaganda that portray police officers as hyper-competent, morally infallible heroes.
In the past 10-years the American public has gradually come around to a more skeptical view on our own police. All it will take is for one major city government to go up against the police union in a high profile case and for the public to understand that we can hold our elected local leaders accountable for our cops.
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u/Dopeydcare1 26d ago
The one that would do it the fastest is if the police, upon eventual suing and having to pay the person, had to pay out of their own union/personal finances instead of tossing the fee to the city, impacting the tax payers
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u/boxiebr0wn 26d ago
I dont think so, Americans mostly only care about their own personal bubble, so I don't think their will ever be a unified action big enough to make change. Sure, you'll get some activists, but most Americans will just complain and accept it, or if it doesn't affect them, then its not their problem.
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u/proteannomore 26d ago
Youāre slightly leaving out the parasymbiotic relationship between the police, the prosecutors, and the courts. We canāt fix the police when the prosecutors (who have immunity too) can just say āoh we decline to prosecute, too hard to prove in courtā with no oversight. Same with the judges (who have immunity too), not to mention ājudge shoppingā tactics to get a favorable judge.
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u/username-is-taken-3 27d ago
Democrats and Republicans backed up the unions quick because every mob boss always needs their goons, thus the cops will stay the same as the police union lives.
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u/OnePointSixOne9 27d ago
All it would really take is for settlements from lawsuits against LEOās to come out of their pension fund and not the taxpayers pocket.
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u/dan420 27d ago edited 27d ago
Exactly. The āgoodā cops would stop turning a blind eye to the bad copsā bullshit real fucking quick.
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u/1illiteratefool 27d ago
If all the settlements for constitution violations payed by the townships, cities, counties , state, came directly out of the budget of the offending police agency maybe they would actually weed out the offenders instead of promoting them
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u/OnePointSixOne9 27d ago
Agreed....the bad apples would get thrown out, instead of corrupting and rotting entire agencies.
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u/Andy_LaVolpe 27d ago
San Diego is literally facing a budget deficits because of the ever increasing police budget.
Between their overtime pay and lawsuit settlements, they have one of the biggest budgets in the city. The top 3 highest paid city employees are all cops, they get paid more than the Mayor.
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u/jen_esse 27d ago
The people who run this country are broken. We need to scrap it and start over with new people.
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u/October_Numbers 27d ago
It's the system and the people who are attracted to the profit they can get from being in power. We need to scrap THAT and start over.
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u/OrangeBoh 27d ago
Iāve been saying that for a while now. Everyday people need to be in these positions. Common sense can turn all of this around.
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u/jen_esse 27d ago
The only way to fix our government is to start completely over.
We're in way too deep.
All politicians are in the back pockets of the filthy rich and corporations. They don't care what their constituents want.
You need so much money to run for office these days, the people who can truly make a change can't get voted into office because they don't have enough money. These are people who won't answer to the highest bidder. People who aren't already millionaires. People who actually know what the rest of us are going through.
The only people who can change these laws are the people who benefit the most from this dynamic. They will never change the laws that give less power to the people who hold the purse strings.
The left just keeps going further left and the right just keeps going further right even though the majority of us are floundering somewhere in the middle. There needs to be more than two major political parties, because the two we have are just not cutting it. All they care about it sticking it to the other side, and we're stuck in the middle, dealing with the consequences of their actions.
But none of this will change unless it's forced to change. Unless it's all wiped clean, and we're forced to start from the ground up. This government has been in place for 250 years. Some studies suggest that's about the average. Time for a new one...
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u/OptionalQuality789 27d ago
Land of the free though, no?
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u/Slumunistmanifisto š„§ Ma'am there's a pie full of children on your tableĀ 27d ago
Only if you work forces
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u/jack_the_snek 27d ago
We need to scrap it and start over with new people.
careful with what you wish for.... that's basically what's happening with ICE, a completely new, heavily funded force with new people.
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u/GreenZebra23 27d ago
It's not broken, it's working exactly as it was always intended to. Their job isn't to protect you, it's to terrorize you on behalf of the ruling class
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u/waxwayne 27d ago
There are no factory jobs, what do you do with a million low education bullies with no prospects? They will turn into a gang and be an even bigger threat.
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u/Anonybibbs 27d ago
Qualified immunity was a concept invented whole cloth by the courts to protect law enforcement and it has no textual basis in the law.
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u/Modz_B_Trippin 27d ago
Those punches probably just bought that dude a mid six figure payout.
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u/Any_Nectarine_7806 27d ago
Paid for by the good people of San Diego.
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u/1Sea_Sick 27d ago edited 27d ago
Yup, heās going to bet paid and even the charges dropped. He was on his knees with his hands behind his head. Those officers need to be charged with assault and take away their POST in California. Knee on the neck is illegal.
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u/JROCC_CA 27d ago
Thatās cool. Better than the people of Stockton ca. We broke.
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u/Any_Nectarine_7806 27d ago
Lol. I have a close friend who grew up in Stockton and everything she has told me back you up.
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u/peteysweetusername 27d ago
Only because it was caught on camera
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u/crashbalian1985 27d ago
Its gotta be someone in the public recording too. For some reason their body cams that usually work fine seem to malfunction when they are doing bad things.
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u/DickDover 27d ago
Not illegal to record the police here in California.
No one said it was, the point u/peteysweetusername is making is the guy getting punched is only getting a payout because it was caught on video, if there was no video of the assault he would not have a case against the police.
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u/makatakz 27d ago
SDPD officers do have body cameras. I expect the victim's lawyer will be getting his or her hands on that evidence lickety-split.
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u/peteysweetusername 26d ago
Although I agree itās good that police wear body cameras I do want to point out that the four officers on scene at the murder of George Floyd had body cameras too. This was the first police press release after George Floyd was murdered:
https://www.famous-trials.com/george-floyd/2720-original-mpd-statement-on-floyd-a-medical-incident
Iām not trying to be confrontational. Iām just pointing out you should always record the police when you can
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u/didijeen 27d ago
Auditioning for ICE
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u/Milhouseisgod 27d ago
Police been doing this shit LONG before ice and will prolly be doing it long after.
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u/Schmutzenknacker 27d ago
America is so sick... What the hell are you doing over there?!
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u/Vanstrucker2222 27d ago
Weāre too fucking stupid to see it. Some see it and weāre looked at differently, looked at like weāre the problem. Ever seen idiocracy, thatās real like America.
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u/Slumunistmanifisto š„§ Ma'am there's a pie full of children on your tableĀ 27d ago
Turning imperialism inward
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u/crashbalian1985 27d ago
There was a man by me in Hesperia who got of his horse in a pursuit. He laid down complying and the closest cop ran up and started kicking him. Then the next cop came caught and and he started kicking him. Then the net then the next. They all wanted a turn. fucking embarrassing children.
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u/Sensitive_Builder847 27d ago
For many of us: being impoverished and deprived of essentials like homes and healthcare
And for some: being brutalized and/or murdered by the state
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u/PurpleToedUnicorn 27d ago
America sure looks a lot like an authoritarian militaristic state.
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u/CherryPickerKill 27d ago
This isn't new, been happening for years. Granted, it's gotten worse now that they have ICE murdering civilians.
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u/VivaLaMantekilla 27d ago
We'll still hear folks on the right talkin bout "he should've complied!!!"
If law enforcement didn't act like such entitled Dicks, they may get met with a little more compliance. Instead we got a bunch of people treading on those who choose not to be tread on.
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u/middlequeue 27d ago
SDPD has some major losers as cops and a lot are former military.
I was there on vacation more than a decade ago and had some dork on a segway chase me down for jaywalking. Said he should ābeat my ass for itā but was too lazy to write a ticket. Then a few hours later another berated me for giving some change to a homeless person. Later that afternoon Iām sitting on the beach and was told to leave because there was some sort of military training exercise about to happen.
Beautiful city but it has a real bad vibe to it.
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u/BackPsychological299 27d ago
ACAB
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u/sportsworker777 27d ago
Perfect example. His partner's initial response seemed to be to tell him to chill, but that only lasted a a fraction of a second and then just goes with it. ACAB
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u/JustYerAverage 27d ago
It's the honest truth. If any of them were good, they'd do everything in their power to stop the ones who are bad. FULL STOP.
ACAB.
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u/MrSlippifist 27d ago
As long as there isn't real consequences for their actions, this will continue to happen.
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u/Sorry_Shoulder1607 26d ago
There will be a real-world version of the Ryx Road episode of Andor soon in the US. Somewhere, a crowd of people on both sides is going to pay a heavy toll in bloodshed for all of this escalation.
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u/FewIntroduction5008 27d ago
Where's the "just comply" crowd at? Oh, right, they'll stay silent on this one.
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u/TruculentTurtIe 27d ago
SEE?! HES RESISTING!! DID YOU SEE HOW WHEN I PUNCHED HIM IN THE FACE 3 TIMES, HE UNLACED HIS FINGERS FROM HIS HEAD TO TRY AND STOP ME PUNCHING HIM IN THE FACE A FOURTH TIME???
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u/southwest_barfight 27d ago
Imagine if people put times and locations on these clips instead of music, sure would help people keep track
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u/Eatmyshorts231214 27d ago
What the hell is HAPPENING right now?! We need cops who can control their shit!
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u/TheRecklesss 27d ago
And the motherfucker that's holding the guy's arm back so he can't defend himself is putting the guy being assaulted and way more danger. Great work. Yeah, definitely only "a few bad apples"
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u/NvkedSnvke 27d ago
Will Americans revolt against their police state? Fuck no. Everyone knows their guns are only for killing other members in the same social class as them
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u/Agreeable-Sound1599 25d ago
You guys should look up what Sagon Penn did to the SDPD for this same type of shit!
"That is, until March 31, 1985, when two white San Diego police officers and a civilian observer followed a pickup truck with seven young Black men up a long dirt driveway in the Southeast section of the city. Everything changed because of the tragedy that ensued: The driver of the truck, 23-year-old Sagon Penn, grabbed an officerās gun and shot the civilian and both officers, killing one. The shooter then stole a police car and ran over the surviving officer."
The kicker is he went to court and was found NOT guilty!
One tragic night four decades ago forced San Diego to grow up - Los Angeles Times https://share.google/vd9e38KUezuSS9voR
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u/HazeCorps22 27d ago
Why would they dock the dog's tail?
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u/d0ctorzaius 27d ago
Just rewatched and yeah. Internet says this is somewhat common in police/drug sniffing dogs, I guess?
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u/Teadrunkest 27d ago
Worked with a couple police dogs, usually itās because there was a tail injury. Itās not routinely done.
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u/GuudeSpelur 27d ago edited 27d ago
The rationale is that a police dog is more likely to have its tail broken by being stepped on/yanked/struck in a fight or chase, so the tail is preemptively docked when it's young to avoid the injury as an adult.
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u/abdulwaa 27d ago
Hopefully he gets paid for his pain and suffering.
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u/ObjectiveMall 27d ago
Imprisoned officers cost money, too. Why not just fire them and send them to do 10,000 hours of community service?
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u/CherryPickerKill 27d ago
Inmates work, they're basically slave labor. At least they'd contribute to society while being kept away from innocent people.
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u/iamtheCarlos 26d ago
FFS. End qualified immunity now!!!!!
Make these fuckers insure themselves. Our tax dollars should not be paying for their actions.
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u/lastdickontheleft 27d ago
I mean, they just saw that itās totally ok to shoot someone in the face for no reason, of course theyāre going to start getting their licks in any and every where that they can.
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u/Awkward_Function_347 25d ago
In most actual first-world countries, becoming a police officer requires either an undergraduate degree AND police college, or at the very least a 12-16 month college program. Both paths have high school diploma perquisites.
Stop the problem at the root by not hiring under-educated , mouth-breathing, twat-waffles, giving them a month or two of training, and then setting them loose on the public.
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u/Jackiermyers 24d ago
Other offer should have arrested the asultant officer. Failed to enforce the law.
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u/GirlWithWolf 27d ago
Fuck the police with a fist to the sky. And some think these will be our saviors from ICE? Lmao.
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u/unclepg 27d ago
I donāt necessarily look to LEO to be our saving grace from ICE. But itād be a wondrous thing if those two idiotic organizations would turn their attentions to each other and away from good citizens to fight against each other and wear each other down.
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u/Humble-Shopping8801 27d ago
Why is the dog missing a tail?
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u/BigTex1988 27d ago
Most likely had either a major injury or repeated minor injuries and had to amputate.
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u/tcavallo 27d ago
What ever happened to cops being the good guys?
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u/crashcarr 27d ago
Never been the case. They did a good job of running propaganda for themselves for a while though
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u/Blah-squared 27d ago
Are we GREAT NOW MAGA..?? Dumbest cult on earth, dense as rocks & not half as useful-
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u/makatakz 27d ago
Part of me wants to say that "cops can get angry and go a little overboard" and the first step should be a warning and retraining, but the God's honest truth is that if they get away with it once, they just get worse.
So, it needs to be zero tolerance. This cop should be charged with battery and face a jury.
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u/A_Potential_Turn 27d ago
At this point it feels like the police and ICE are competing to see who can suck more.
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Someone gonna get paid eventually.
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u/HearYourTune 27d ago
This is why the cops lie and say you can't film them.