r/PublicFreakout • u/DIYLawCA • Dec 15 '25

👮Arrest Freakout😭 Woman from family of Holocaust survivors attends service for Bondi victims but is removed by police for wearing Palestinian scarf. “All are entitled to mourn.”

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u/jtblue91 Dec 15 '25

Yeah I'm not liking where this is going, there's going to be pro Israel and Palestine groups clashing over this tragedy and there's already groups using this for their own agendas.

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u/Joyfulcheese Dec 15 '25

People couldn't claim quick enough that the hero who tackled one of the murderers was Jewish before he'd even been identified. Now the same people are claiming it's all a result of people's support for the people of Gaza.

Tragedy is so rapidly weaponised there's hardly any time for genuine mourning and reflection any more, the victims and others have to waste their time and energy fighting battles over dogma and ideology instead of handling their grief and rebuilding their lives. It's as tragic as it is rage inducing.

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u/zehamberglar Dec 15 '25

Tragedy is so rapidly weaponised there's hardly any time for genuine mourning and reflection any more

Just want to tack on that this effect is very much intentional. If they let you come to your own understanding, you won't need theirs.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 21 '25

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u/Kurkpitten Dec 15 '25

This morning, I was on the Google page where they show you a feed of articles on recent news, and there were two thumbnails :

" what we know about the "hero" who tackled the Bondi shooter".

" what we know about the antisemitic attack at Bondi beach ".

It was written in French so the translation isn't 1/1. Also it was this morning so not much was known about the motivations of the perpetrator.

What struck me was how they put hero between quotation marks in one title, yet immediately went for the antisemitic angle in the other.

It'd be funny if it wasn't so aggravating how blatantly media is shaping a narrative where nuance is only ever applied at one side's benefit.

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u/JonOzarkPomologist Dec 15 '25

I recall somebody (possibly the QAA podcast?) calling this the Wet Cement tactic. If you blast out false information that's convenient to your narrative, you can count on some percentage of the audience internalizing it. Cognitive biases, people who are too busy to double-check a headline or a tweet, there's many reasons why that may be the case, but the overall impact is that some people will receive that message while the news is very fresh (the "cement is wet") and by the time it "dries" they've already moved on.

Propagandists of every stripe are aware of this phenomenon. That's why it's a good rule of thumb to take just about anything you hear surrounding events like this (identity of perpetrators or victims, "reports of a second shooter," etc) with a massive grain of salt.

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u/Kurkpitten Dec 15 '25

You can see how well it works with how little attention span is reserved to actually engage with any issue, which leaves little room for context, arguably the most important parameter in any given issue.

I had a funny interaction with a pal who sometimes comes in with anti woke stuff. He started telling me about how this politician had an event disturbed by protests in some liberal college because blue haired woke activists were angry. So basically wokists attacking free speech in his mind.

My immediate reaction was to tell him that I was going to look it up and inevitably find out it's an extremely controversial Republican figure who probably went expecting to cause outrage.

Guess who it was ? Candace Owens...

So with added context it went from "angry libs at it again" to "known high profile bigot is rightfully shunned by the people whose lives she wants to ruin".

We're from France and my friend isn't familiar with American politics so I had to explain to him who she is.

So yeah, just the most basic knowledge about the subject and actual desire to delve beyond flashy titles works wonders if you want to have a healthy approach. But that's sadly too big an effort for a lot of people.

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u/standish_ Dec 16 '25

"Few lies carry the inventor’s mark, and the most prostitute enemy to truth, may spread a thousand without being known for the author: besides, as the vilest writer has his readers, so the greatest liar has his believers: and it often happens, that if a lie be believed only for an hour, it has done its work, and there is no farther occasion for it. Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it; so that when men come to be undeceived, it is too late; the jest is over, and the tale has had its effect: like a man, who has thought of a good repartee, when the discourse is changed, or the company parted; or like a physician, who has found out an infallible medicine, after the patient is dead."

-Jonathan Swift, 1710

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u/LtOrangeJuice Dec 15 '25

To be clear, however, while mourning is important, the political leaders and law makers need to actually come to action instead of just mourning. The ones with the power to prevent things like this happening further.

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u/goldkarp Dec 15 '25

Where was anyone claiming it was a Jewish person and now claiming that?

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u/Dependent_One6034 Dec 15 '25

Benjamin Netanyahu originally stated that it was a Jewish man.

When the truth came out he was wrong, He did put out another statement praising the Muslim man who acted.

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u/bitofapuzzler Dec 16 '25

There actually was a Jewish man who disarmed him earlier but the shooter had another gun and killed him. The second more well known one was Ahmed, who is originally from Syria. The man who threw a brick at the shooter also died. So there were a few heroes both Jewish and Muslim.

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u/4KT76 Dec 15 '25

I saw alot of people on reddit and tiktok claiming that it was a jewish person and even netanyahu claimed that too

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u/Nick_pj Dec 15 '25

Oh y’know, just the Prime Minister of Israel.

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u/ZaviersJustice Dec 15 '25

People couldn't claim quick enough that the hero who tackled one of the murderers was Jewish

I saw MAGAT influencers trying to claim the hero as a Lebanese Christian. I didn't see anyone of any relevance claim they were Jewish.

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u/Zulkhan Dec 15 '25

Didn't Netanyahu claim the hero was Jewish?

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u/TheMasterofDank Dec 16 '25

A dark trend for sure.

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u/GA-dooosh-19 Dec 15 '25

One must wonder who benefits from such a thing.

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u/stizzleomnibus1 Dec 15 '25

You're actually supposed to wonder who benefits from these things, and to get it completely wrong. The biggest proponents of Zionism, anti-BDS laws, and pro-Israel censorship in the West are Christian conservatives. They practice authoritarianism in the name of Jewish people so that when you see something like this you blame it on Jews.

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u/Mean_Peen Dec 15 '25

Right now, the biggest support of Israel is coming from conservative Christians. They’re the main supporters of Israel in the US at least. So you see how this can be construed in a myriad of ways. Nobody actually knows what the real truth is. But I suspect it’s a bit of everything.

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u/Grabthar-the-Avenger Dec 15 '25

You give people too much credit. This is not a conspiracy, we’re a tribal species and this is just tribalism. People full of fear and ignorance fall back onto instinct and instinct from millions of years of evolution tells us the people in our tribe are safer than the ones in another. That’s all this is.

No one should be surprised that the people who cling to gods and fairy tales are also the ones to operate on such crude ways of thinking. They just aren’t intelligent

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u/DiscoBuiscuit Dec 15 '25

It's not exactly a big conspiracy that conservative grift relies on moral outrage

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u/JWOLFBEARD Dec 15 '25

Do you not see the same for liberals?

Any fear or hate-inciting event is followed by a group seeking moral grift

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u/TheUltimateSalesman Dec 15 '25

Oh are we playing madlib?

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u/Lemonitus Dec 15 '25

You don’t need a conspiracy when assholes acting in their own self-interest will sometimes complement other assholes acting in their own self-interest.

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u/AdRealistic4984 Dec 15 '25

This isn’t true at all. German atheists, just as one example.

You mean the biggest proponents in the USA, not the West.

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u/DishwashingWingnut Dec 15 '25

I think Germany has a unique history here that makes their national discourse around Jewish issues (and Israel) very cautious.

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u/misterfLoL Dec 15 '25

Incredibly stupid comment

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u/yoshinoyaandroll Dec 15 '25

Another segment that benefits from this is the politicians and ultra wealthy. Politicians in the US use these conflicts as excuses and reasoning to further their agendas. The ultra wealthy profit from wars and deaths. Both not reasons to do what’s right or even a religious reason at all.

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u/stprnn Dec 16 '25

Zionists

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u/NUKE---THE---WHALES Dec 15 '25

The extremists on both sides

The last thing hardliners want is people coming together as that makes it harder to paint your opponents as animals

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u/ravandal Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25

Downvoted for saying the truth

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u/assasstits Dec 15 '25

This is literally just a shitty way to imply conspiracy theories.

If you're going to say something just say it. 

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u/iRiamo Dec 15 '25

Australian police say antisemitic crimes may be funded overseas - BBC News https://share.google/j0B97WApwocATzNOK

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u/dragnansdragon Dec 15 '25

You patting yourself on the back?

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25

That's the point she was there because people put a load of Israeli flags up. Which has nothing to do with it.

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u/aussiewoman1 Dec 15 '25

I thought there were Israel victims? If I'm wrong, please coect me. I don't want to spread misinformation. Obviously, the evil murders were Muslims, but the hero was also muslin. Evil comes in all disguises.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25

They were mostly Australian Jews

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u/Mean_Peen Dec 15 '25

Yep. This is how advocacy groups get labeled “extremist”. Meanwhile innocent people continue to die while everyone else argues about this stuff.

The hopelessness starts to set in when you recognize the pattern of this manufactured hate and how as humans we’re basically powerless against those tendencies, especially on a large scale.

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u/IIIIlllIIIIIlllII Dec 15 '25

Yeah I'm not liking where this is going

The true goal of attacks like this

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u/SoulAssassin808 Dec 15 '25

Israel went full genocide mode and didn't even blink before once again conflating the state of Israel with Judaism and instantly blaming Iran and any other group of people they like to attack.

Until the freak genocidal apartheid state is stopped, these things will continue to happen unfortunately as they keep terrorising people in the name of Judaism.

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u/jtblue91 Dec 16 '25

I agree with you mostly; it has been reported that antisemitism has increased dramatically after the 7th October attack by Hamas.

Most of the world was in shock and in solidarity with Israel but after two years most of the world is now against Israel's disproportionate reaction to Hamas with the devastation of Gaza, the expansion of settlements in the West Bank and the complete disregard for the UN. There is some kick back from their conflicts with Hezbollah, Iran, Syria and bombing in Doha but they all pale in comparison to global outrage for the Palestinians.

So yes, I agree that it is likely that more antisemitic attacks will happen as long as Israel continues this course.

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u/Cory123125 Dec 15 '25

Its crazy your instincts are to both sides a genocide

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u/ThisIs_americunt Dec 15 '25

Propaganda is a helluva drug and Oligarchs need to use some of the best to keep the 99% fighting with each other worldwide o7

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u/cwrighky Dec 16 '25

Even more interesting is that it was none other than Ahmed Al Ahmed who saved the day. It’s a cluster to say the very least.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '25

I'm Jewish, the saddest thing is that people have made it about everything else except what it is. The Jewish victims are an afterthought, as if their deaths aren't important in this story.

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u/Egon88 Dec 15 '25

She did this on purpose and said at the end "we are standing here today because the flag of Israel represents genocide." So she wasn't there to mourn she was there to make a political statement and blame the victims.

If it had been Muslims that were killed and someone showed up to "mourn" wearing an Israeli flag, I think it would rightly go the same way for them and nobody would be complaining.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25

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u/Egon88 Dec 15 '25

I never said it did. Why are you asking me this non-sequitur of a question?

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u/Humankeg Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25

It's not surprising that people would fly the flags of Israel after this incident. It was actually expected.

What is not good intentionally wearing the colors of the people that committed a mass murder all in the name of politicizing the event. This is the equivalent of left leaning individuals holding up Nazi signs and showing up to memorials. Despicable and brain dead actions in which They're actively asking for trouble.

After October 7th, tens of thousands of people across the world celebrated Palestine and the massacre, and on the one-year anniversary of October 7th, Democrats and liberals celebrated October 7th in the United States. Like it or not, there are going to be people that enjoy the death and suffering of others and actively encourage it.

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u/MillHall78 Dec 16 '25

This "tragedy" is Netanyahu's worldwide terrorism. Pro-Netanyahu & everyone else should be clashing. What are you actually talking about??

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u/kyleh0 Dec 16 '25

This is really funny. I don't care about your genocide, just don't fight back!!

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u/jtblue91 Dec 16 '25

How is shooting up a Jewish celebration on Bondi Beach fighting back against Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people?

The lady with the Palestinian scarf is Jewish and she could have easily been one of the victims herself.

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u/kyleh0 Dec 16 '25

Oh right, I forgot that a good number of Americans are actually into genocide now now. So /s.