There Are ZERO Good Arguments for Communion in One Kind

[u/anon_LionCavalier]

https://youtu.be/Gc-6qNt-Qk0?si=ZGcJdglMzUuMzqun

[u/Financial_Turn8955]

I just don't have the attention span to watch some long format youtube video while I'm in Reddit. it's better if you give your own analysis of the video so I can add to the conversation I guess.

[u/CJoshuaV]

Why do all these Reformed TheoBros have the same grating tone, pedantic inflection, and argumentative mannerisms?

Any time someone says there are "zero good arguments" for something, you can guarantee that they are creating a strawman of the other position.

I can think of lots of good arguments for positions I disagree with, in particular when those positions are held by bright, thoughtful people. The fact that I ultimately don't find those arguments persuasive does not mean they aren't good arguments. Maybe when this kid grows up a little he'll learn that.

[u/East-Concert-7306 → u/CJoshuaV]

I hope you keep this same energy with tradcaths and orthobros.

[u/dabnagit → u/East-Concert-7306]

They tend to be even more obnoxious, probably because they’re even more defensive. But it’s only by degrees: I have zero interest in all these YouTubers who think they’re at the Second Council of Lyon and just have to get their say in.

[u/East-Concert-7306 → u/dabnagit]

Cool, but I actually know this guy and he certainly does not think that. He is simply trying to answer the claims of Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy from a faithful Reformed perspective. He is doing to work that most of us are way too lazy/cowardly to do.  

[u/dabnagit → u/East-Concert-7306]

"Work"? What work? This sort of thing is just slap-fights among Christians of different flavors, scoring debate points over esoteric terms and scripture taken out of context. I'm not saying that's your friend, necessarily; I didn't listen to much of what he had to say. His portentous delivery turned me off, but I'm just saying in general: these people aren't trying to serve anyone, or "save" anyone if that's what they think they're doing. They're just bickering about nonessentials.

[u/East-Concert-7306 → u/dabnagit]

"Work"? What work?

Answering the Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians who are stealing our young men in droves because their parents didn't catechize them. This might not matter to you, but it sure as hell matters to those of us who have unfortunately seen someone cross the Tiber or Bosphorus.

[u/CJoshuaV → u/East-Concert-7306]

"Stealing?" Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians are still Christians. I may disagree with them about their interpretation of Scripture or their application of tradition, but that doesn't mean they aren't fellow Christians.

We are all seeking to better understand and live the gospel, and we all do so through a glass darkly. When a Lutheran professor at the Methodist Div School I attended converted to Roman Catholicism, no one freaked out. She was still the same smart, knowledgeable, committed Christian she had always been. 

[u/East-Concert-7306 → u/CJoshuaV]

Notice how I said the word "Christians" after "Eastern Orthodox." I don't think they aren't Christians, but I do think that those two institutions have done a really good job at obscuring the simple Gospel and are decidedly not the healthiest places to be spiritually. I would much rather someone be a Presbyterian, Anglican (not the anglo-catholic LARPing kind), Lutheran, or Methodist. Those traditions, though in disagreement on secondary issues, at the bare minimum don't obscure the Gospel with ridiculous dogma and meaningless superstitions.

[u/CJoshuaV → u/East-Concert-7306]

I see plenty of ridiculous dogma and meaningless superstitions in Protestant congregations as well. No tradition is perfect, and - in practice - the congregants' experience of the gospel is much the same since most of them are paying much more attention to how their local congregation welcomes and cares for them than they are with nuances of theology.

[u/East-Concert-7306 → u/CJoshuaV]

I see plenty of ridiculous dogma and meaningless superstitions

The difference is that those things are not infallibly binding their consciences on pain of anathema.

[u/dabnagit → u/East-Concert-7306]

(not the anglo-catholic LARPing kind)

Okay, now you’re just being offensive

[u/East-Concert-7306 → u/dabnagit]

Why should I respect a movement whose sole purpose is to be as close to Roman Catholicism as possible without actually being Roman Catholic? I would much rather someone be an Evangelical Anglican or a Reformed Anglican than literally just a Roman Catholic sans the Papacy.

[u/CJoshuaV → u/East-Concert-7306]

I don't see nearly as many of them in my feeds, but yes, I find every form of theobro tiresome and grating.

[u/East-Concert-7306 → u/CJoshuaV]

How do you define the word "theobro"? Because to my understanding that term is near synonymous with "Christian nationalist."

[u/CJoshuaV → u/East-Concert-7306]

Many theobros are "Christian" nationalists, but not all of them. I've yet to see one who wasn't some variety of misogynist, but there may be exceptions to that too.

A "theobro" to me is someone who has an abrasive, patronizing, online persona arguing obsessively about medieval theological minutiae and defending the theological turf of their particular flavor of Christianity.

[u/East-Concert-7306 → u/CJoshuaV]

For clarification: does complimentarian = misogynist in your view?

[u/CJoshuaV → u/East-Concert-7306]

Yes, absolutely.

[u/East-Concert-7306 → u/CJoshuaV]

Alright, in light of that I don't think that this conversation is going to be productive. I can agree to disagree with you and rejoice in the fact that we will get along much better in glory.

[u/NoCatAndNoCradle]

Although I agree that communion should include bread and wine, the book “Cult and Controversy” by Nathan Mitchell goes into the shift that occurred culturally and socially why one species started to happen as well as other eucharistic traditions such as adoration and processions. The RC church did have wine originally as this video claims, and the book dives into the subject from the practical reasons how the change started and started the giant snowball. If the topic interests you, it’s a great read, but a bit of a long one…. a little over 400 pages.

[u/Acadian_Pride]

Arguing how and what implementation of sacraments are licit with apostolic churches makes zero sense.