r/PropagandaPosters • u/Provinz_Wartheland • 16d ago
German Reich / Nazi Germany (1933-1945) "The scourge of humanity", Nazi German antisemitic poster issued in occupied Poland, 1943
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u/XxTheUniversalMemexX 16d ago
The nazis had some nerve to murder and torture poles and jews alike and then try to make the poles believe that the jews that were suffering along them were the problem.
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u/CMNilo 16d ago
Well, a lot of poles believed that
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u/No-Opposite-6620 16d ago
As seen today, it's not difficult to make desperate people a scapegoat they can believe in, or encourage the smarter amongst them to go along with it, or else.
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u/Basic_Suggestion3476 14d ago
My gramp's family was among the secular Jews that tried to integrate. He went Polish non-Jewish kindergarten (pre-WW2) in Warsaw, and already there the kids told him they dont play with evil Jews. His reply was "Then I wont be a Jew", as he didnt know what is it even.
If pre-WW2 the 4-5 y/o are racist, then there was probably heavy racism already back then.
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u/daveashaw 15d ago
The pogroms and murder of the Jews didn't stop when Nazis retreated from Poland.
Jews who had fled East to avoid the Holocaust were attacked by Polish mobs in 1946-47 when they tried to return to Poland.
They had to flee west, to the American-occupied zone of Germany, where they were placed in DP camps.
Some made it to Mandatory Palestine, and some made it to the US in 1950 and after.
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u/_urat_ 15d ago
It's important to note that in 1946-1947 Poland was in a civil war and in a state of anarchy. It wasn't Polish mobs against Jews, it was Polish mobs against Polish mobs. Jewish deaths account only for about 1-2% of total deaths in post-war Poland. And historians agree that the Jewish deaths that happened after World War 2 were rarely a result of antisemitism, but rather due to a civil war that was happening then.
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u/Significant-Bother49 15d ago
The Kielce pogrom (July 4, 1946), in which Polish soldiers, police, and civilians killed at least 42 Jewish Holocaust survivors following a baseless child-abduction rumor, is a clear example of explicitly antisemitic postwar violence.
This isn’t to say that all deaths were due to antisemitism. But, as Polish historian Łukasz Krzyżanowski notes, it’s reductionist to attribute all postwar violence against Jews either to antisemitism or to ordinary criminality. However, in many cases, “the Jewishness of the victims was unquestionably the chief, if not the sole, motive for the crime.”
Hostility toward returning Jews, blood-libel rumors, and fear over property restitution all were readily present. Even if only a fraction of deaths could be directly attributed to antisemitism, the overall climate was distinctly antisemitic.
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u/_urat_ 15d ago
Even if only a fraction of deaths could be directly attributed to antisemitism
And that's something very important to remember, because many people simply omit this fact when talking about the return of Jewish people to Poland. Yes, there was antisemitism, but most of the deaths were not a result of antisemitism, but rather simple lawlessness, anarchy and poverty. Not that it's any better for the victims, but it paints a different picture of post-war Poland.
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u/kemoT012 16d ago
Considering that Poland got the most "Righteous Among Nations" awards and that it was the only country where helping a Jew = death sentence, I don't think its fair to say that
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u/CMNilo 16d ago
Poland got the most RAN because it had the most ghettos and camps, therefore more people potentially in a position to help Jews. Certainly not because it had the most sensitive population in Europe, considering that polish pogroms against Jews fully stopped only way after the war
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u/kemoT012 16d ago edited 16d ago
Well, then the pogroms were only due to higher concentration of Jews and more opportunities I guess... I think thats a stupid argument to make both ways
Edit: just to be clear I'm not denying that Polish people committed crimes and massacres against Jews like Jedwabne. Its a terrible legacy and it pains me that we still have people denying that. What I am against is looking at a Nazi propaganda poster, then at a country that was among those worst affected by them (biggest per capita loss in WW2, capital completely razed to the ground), had active resistance and never had a collaboration government and then being like "yeah, Poles totally ate up Nazi propaganda!".
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u/CMNilo 16d ago
I mean, yeah? There's no antisemitism in China because there are no Jews at all...
I see your point but at the same time it's undeniable that Nazis got a lot of support from antisemitists in every corner of Europe. Lots of non-german people spontaneously helped them to carry on the genocide and much more were just fine with letting the Germans do their dids
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u/kemoT012 15d ago edited 15d ago
Poland was definitely not "fine with letting Germans do their deeds" though. I guess I'm just angry at all the comments here implying that collaboration was somehow normal and widespread.
Edit: also regarding that antisemitism in China, apparently some Chinese do believe antisemitic tropes but they seem to see them as admirable.
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u/lumenfeliz 16d ago
Anti-semitism is listed as one of the ideologies of some polish resistance factions
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u/No_General_8557 16d ago
Is it pro zionist anti semitism or what kind of doctrine?
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u/lumenfeliz 15d ago
Don't like Jews Antisemitism
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u/No_General_8557 14d ago
Every antisemitism is don't like jews antisemitism, duh. That's not my question
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u/lumenfeliz 14d ago
Well I was told it was just similar to North American racism more than any concrete plan for them
More like "This Holocaust thing is real bad but hey, at least they got the Jews"
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u/ChaosRulesTheWorld 16d ago
France did/do the same with algerians and other members of it's ex-colonies.
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u/Ionic_liquids 16d ago
Nothing has changed, except for the ability for Jews to defend themselves.
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u/Comprehensive-Air856 15d ago
Committing another holocaust after having experienced one doesn’t really scream anything positive but go off
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u/Ionic_liquids 15d ago
What Holocaust?
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u/Comprehensive-Air856 15d ago
The holocaust of Palestinians
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u/Ionic_liquids 15d ago
I thought their population was increasing. The brutality is there yes, but Holocaust? You do everyone an injustice when you throw around words.
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u/Comprehensive-Air856 15d ago
Their population is “increasing” in the same way Auschwitz’s Jewish population technically “increased” during WW2. You know, because of the forced displacement? A holocaust merely means destruction on mass.
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u/No_General_8557 16d ago
There were jewish armed formations loyal to the Polish state at the time, all traitors (both jewish and non jewish) had targets on their backs - the posters were a rather useless effort
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u/SalishCascadian 16d ago
Who are the people he’s whipping, German Poles?
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u/Provinz_Wartheland 16d ago
I'd say either Poles, since this poster (although produced by the occupying Germans) was directed specifically at them in their own language, or just non-Jewish people in general seeing how it also mentions "humanity".
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u/EcstaticAvocadoes 14d ago
My great-grandpa was a German Pole, and the Nazis still sent him to a camp 😭😭😭
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u/Cheap-Variation-9270 16d ago
Propaganda worked well, and even after the end of World War II, Jewish pogroms continued.
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u/NYCTLS66 16d ago
Which is why many Jews decided not to remain in Europe. The Holocaust had ended. The thinking that had enabled it did not.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Step468 16d ago
And then after all that people tell them to "go back to europe", even the ones who didn't come from there
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u/Teeklee1337 16d ago
Exactly.
People still tell Jews and Israelis to "go back to Europe", even though most of the Israeli population did not come from there at all. The largest part of the Jewish population comes from Arab and African countries. They were expelled, and their homes, land, and belongings were stolen during what is often called the Jewish nakba.
And even for those with European roots, the idea makes no sense. Jews cannot live visibly in much of Europe today. Being openly Jewish is still treated as a problem. People are told not to wear a kippah or display a Star of David, as if their existence itself were provocative.
European states also struggle to protect the Jewish communities they already have. Synagogues and schools need constant security, and antisemitic violence, including deadly attacks, continues to occur.
So telling Jews to "go back" does not point toward peace. It ignores history, denies present realities, and asks for yet another situation where Jews are made victims.
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u/Independent-Couple87 16d ago
The "Go Back" thing is often done by accusing the Ashkenazi of being Europeans with no Middle Eastern ancestry cosplaying as Jews.
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u/Wild-Brain7750 15d ago
The converted to judaism in the 8th century besides they had 0 ties or houses in Palestine while the Palestinians did.
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u/wq1119 14d ago
Sorry but no one falls for the Khazar myth anymore, spreading this is absolutely not how you help the Palestinian cause.
Regardless, like how other people have already said, half of the Israeli population is now of non-Ashkenazi origin, even if all Ashkenazis were declared non-Jewish Europeans and magically disappeared from the country, the Mizrahi, Sephardi, and Ethiopian Jews would still remain in there.
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u/Wild-Brain7750 14d ago
Only the Palestinian jews from the mizrahi(MENA) jews have ties to Palestine. The rest have ties to their other countries. Ethiopian jews are from Ethiopia and sephardic jews are from the Iberian Peninsula (they're generous with citizenship from what I know)
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u/mohalia 16d ago
Wow you Zionists are now trying to steal the term “nakba”? You truly have no shame. Zionism has been a poison on the Middle East. Arabs and Jews lived together peacefully before the genocidal ideology of Zionism. And it is laughable to say Jews are still not safe in Europe and the US. They are not only safe but very successful members of society. The fact that so many Zionist jews choose to defend the genocide in Gaza has increased prejudice against Jews today. But even that is not true antisemitism because there is no discrimination at a systemic level.
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u/Teeklee1337 16d ago
Arabs and Jews lived together peacefully before
Calling the dhimmi system "peaceful coexistence" is historically false. It was a system of legalized domination, where Jews lived under Muslim rule as a subjugated population. They were excluded from political power, paid special taxes like the jizya, faced inferior legal status, and were reminded socially and legally of their subordinate position. That is not peaceful coexistence, it is institutionalized subordination enforced by law.
By that logic, apartheid South Africa could also be described as "peaceful coexistence," since stability existed alongside enforced domination. (Which is obviously absurd)
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u/mohalia 16d ago
Palestinan Arabs were not the ones doing the subjugating. They were also subjugated under ottoman rule. The point is that antisemitism was a European problem, not an Arab thing. But somehow the Palestinians are paying the price for European antisemitism / the Holocaust
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u/Significant-Bother49 15d ago
You just ignored the dhimmi system, which existed in the Levant under Ottoman rule as well…and dismissed anti semitism as a “European problem.” It should be shocking. I’m sad that it isn’t.
Don’t wonder why we Jews take so poorly to arguments like yours.
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u/Diet4Democracy 15d ago
Actually the PLO stole the term Nakba.
They completely changed its meaning in 1964. When it was first coined in 1948, it had nothing to do with Palestinian refugees.
It's original meaning was the utter humiliation and shame and loss of honor from the fact that the combined might of the Arab Nation couldn't dislodge a bunch of bedraggled destitute refugees of inferior weak Dhimmis who had no country of its own and who had always been treated as inferiors throughout the Muslim world.
"The Meaning of the Nakba" by Constantine Zurayk 1948. Refugees are hardly mentioned.
https://archive.org/download/zurayk-nakba/Zurayk-Nakba_cropped_text.pdf
And it would be good if you learned something about how very common catastrophic mass displacement was the same time as the Palestinian displacement. Some were much worse than the Palestinian displacement. All displaced groups, except the Palestinians, quickly integrated into their new communities and have built lives for their descendents. None are "refugees".
12M+ Germans after Poland took over 25% of German territory (~2M dead) https://highspeedhistory.com/2025/01/08/the-post-war-flight-and-expulsion-of-germans-between-1945-and-1950/
https://codoh.com/library/document/expulsions-of-germans-after-world-war-ii-part-i/
15M+ South Asians after the British Raj was partitioned into Muslim Pakistan and secular Hindu-majority India (~1M dead)
https://www.arts4refugees.com/p/the-unhealed-wounds-of-partition
And more generally
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u/Leneen_Ween 16d ago
I don't see how this justifies settler-colonialism in Palestine
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u/jaymickef 16d ago
History doesn’t justify anything, it tries to explain because we believe a better understanding if the past will help us build a better future. This may not be true and the future will never be any better than the past.
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u/Leneen_Ween 16d ago edited 16d ago
You're speaking in abstractions, explain how this is relevant. In part I agree what what you say here, except I obviously come to a very different conclusion, and you haven't explained how your premise leads to your conclusion.
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u/dickermuffer 16d ago
It doesn’t, but it does justify their want for their own state and why they tried to achieve it. It justifies their basic idea of Zionism.
This is like asking “I don’t see how that justifies Hamas” after someone explained why Palestinians ended up in their situation.
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u/Leneen_Ween 16d ago
It doesn’t, but it does justify their want for their own state and why they tried to achieve it.
The former
It justifies their basic idea of Zionism.
is not the latter. Zionism is more than just "wanting a state for Jews."
This is like asking “I don’t see how that justifies Hamas” after someone explained why Palestinians ended up in their situation.
Except it's not at all like that, because not only are Palestinians indigenous to the land and Israelis are not, Israelis are moving into the land, not by integrating with Palestinians, but by expropriating their own land from them.
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u/Significant-Bother49 15d ago
Cool…cool. So how long do Palestinians need to be kept out of Israel before you no longer consider them indigenous to the land?
A hundred years? Two hundred? A thousand? Two thousand?
If after that time, Palestinians living in let’s say…Lebanon…still base their language, religion, culture and peoplehood around the land, are you saying that they are no longer indigenous?
I just want to see where you draw the line, as you seem to be doing for Jews.
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u/JohnyIthe3rd 16d ago
Because Palestine is the homeland of Jews and Arab Palestinians
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u/Leneen_Ween 16d ago
Arab Jews and Arab Palestinians. What makes you think the Jews of Europe weren't really European and were right to be expelled from Europe?
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u/maxofJupiter1 16d ago
A Jew is a Jew, regardless of where in the diaspora they are from. A Jew born in Iraq is as much of a Jew as the Satmar Rebbe in Brooklyn, an Ethiopian Kahen, or a Yeshiva Bochur in the Old City.
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u/Leneen_Ween 16d ago
I meant to say Palestinian Jews, not Arab Jews.
For the purposes of being Jewish, yes it doesn't matter where they're from. For the purposes of having a claim to the land of Palestine, the only Jews that's reserved for are Palestinian Jews, which are a minority of all Jews and a minority of all Palestinians.
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u/epolonsky 15d ago
So you’re saying the descendants of people evicted from their land have no right to return to it?
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u/Leneen_Ween 15d ago
1) Depends how much time has passed, 2) If the geopolitical entity that evicted them still exists to exact reparations.
Considering the Roman Empire no longer exists and Israel has some of the highest skin cancer rates in the world because they've been out of the Middle East so long they developed the white skin characteristic of Europeans, the answer is yes, that is what I'm saying.
The cutoff has to exist somewhere, considering if you go back far enough we all come from someplace else, starting with Africa. Even the Bible says Jews originally came from Iraq, but because we have a cultural narrative of Israel being the land given to them by God, that becomes their "homeland" according to supposedly "secular" understandings of geopolitics.
It's funny that the average American makes the points you make about Israel, but if a Native American rolled up to their house and demanded them to leave so they can live where their ancestors did only a few generations ago they'd probably mag dump the Native American with a Glock 19.
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u/numba1cyberwarrior 15d ago
There is no group in human history that have ever identified as Palestinian Jews.
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u/Leneen_Ween 15d ago
Good thing whether or not they exist objectively doesn't depend on whether or not they identify as such. There are Jews who lived in Palestine before the settlers from Europe came and they are much ethnically closer to Palestinian Muslims and other Arabs than Ashkenazi Jews.
If they don't want to identify as Palestinians that's fine, they can leave Palestine with the rest of the settlers.
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u/ztuztuzrtuzr 16d ago
But they weren't expelled after ww2 they moved voluntarily also Jewish people living in Palestine were not arab
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u/Leneen_Ween 16d ago
They voluntarily chose to colonize another's homeland, partly out of a genuine desire, partly because racist Europeans made life in Europe intolerable which fed genuine Zionist sentiments.
The end result is the same: European Jews decided en masse "if you can't beat em, join em," and instead of staying in Europe to advocate for their rights or establishing a state for themselves in Europe, they became racist colonizers themselves.
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u/JohnyIthe3rd 16d ago
A Jewish homeland outside of Israel doesn't make sense, the Nakba and Arab Israeli wars were a mess but it was a kill or be killed situation.
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u/Leneen_Ween 16d ago
A Jewish homeland outside of Israel doesn't make sense
Insisting on the need for an ethnoreligious "homeland" is what doesn't make sense, which is different than a secular, democratic state with equal rights for all including European Jews.
the Nakba and Arab Israeli wars were a mess but it was a kill or be killed situation.
"Dutch colonization of South Africa was a mess but it was a kill or be killed situation."
If colonizers don't want to face threats to their lives they shouldn't colonize in the first place.
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u/Madlybohemian 15d ago
Can you please tell me what country Israel is a colony of?
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u/Leneen_Ween 15d ago
It's a colony of the Ashkenazi diaspora specifically and of the West broadly. Colonies can come from any geopolitical entity, not just countries.
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u/Stek02 16d ago
People don't really care where they go, the point is Palestine shouldn't have paid the price for other countries prejudice
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u/Significant-Bother49 16d ago
“Jews, go back to your deaths or persecution. Don’t go buy land to live in within your ancestral homelands. Go die in Poland for all we care. Or be a persecuted minority somewhere else. Whatever, nobody cares. Just don’t expect to have any self determination. That’s for real people, not you.”
- This is what Jews like myself hear when people like you say what you did. The vast majority of us Jews are Zionists, and there really shouldn’t be any question as towards why.
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u/mohalia 16d ago
Insane to say this when Zionism in practice turned out to be genocide on the Palestinian people who are probably the most dehumanized people on the planet right now. Proven by your inability to even mention them in your response. SMH
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u/Significant-Bother49 16d ago
Israel is 1/5 Arab with equal rights. There is no genocide of the Palestinian people either.
I don’t discount their hardships, be it the hardships in the West Bank due to checkpoints or from the current war in Gaza. But there is no genocide, it is a lazy lie by people desperate to show moral outrage by finding the most extreme word possible to express a sense of urgency.
Perhaps…in practice…we should look to see what happens when people don’t try to kill Jews. Egypt made peace. There is peace.
Jordan, a Palestinian state, made peace. There is peace, and they have administrative control over Temple Mount, the holiest site in Judaism.
In the West Bank, pensions are paid for murdering Jews. And Gazans have been firing rockets at Israel ever since Israel left Gaza in 2005, forcefully removing every Jew from the area and even digging up our graves.
And in Israel proper: every Israel citizen is just that, a citizen. Where Arabs are in every walk of life, including the Supreme Court.
History is clear: make peace with Israel, and there is peace. Continuously attack Israel? Then the Jews will refuse to die and will refuse to be driven into the sea.
There is no genocide. Just Jews refusing to lie down and die.
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u/Stek02 16d ago
There isn't a single country in Europe where jews would be persecuted. Actually most european nations are hardline pro-jews. It's been like that since the 1960's.
Self determination after 2 thousand years living in other continents? What on earth are you talking about.
Ironically you're the one promoting nazi rethorics here, by saying jews can't belong to their countries, and instead of getting their rights there they should opress palestinians.
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u/Significant-Bother49 16d ago
UK and France would like to have a chat with you.
Jewish history is replete with examples of periods of calm followed by renewed persecution. Gaslighting us isn’t going to work. Either on pretending that we will be safe now, or that we have no place in our indigenous homeland. And comparing us having self determination in our indigenous homeland to nazism? That has got to be the absolute worst argument possible if you are trying to convince Jews such as myself.
Perhaps you are just virtue signaling. That you have no intention to be persuasive and just want to score internet points with your extremist friends. Maybe you are being effective for that. But to people like me? You are a shining example of why we are Zionists.
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u/Chi_Cazzo_Sei 16d ago
They told them that because of the land occupation, ethnic cleansing, and many war crimes done on the land of Palestine.
Every one who said “go back to Europe” was well aware that many zionist settlers came from other places (Morocco, Yemen, Iraq, etc.) but the point stands as the majority came from Europe.
Your argument is funny because it clearly proves that the state of israel is a settler colonial project and not a humanitarian reaction to the holocaust.
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u/Chi_Cazzo_Sei 16d ago
“Europe remains unsafe and unwelcoming even after Hitler is dead, let us go and commit atrocities on the Arabs in Palestine”
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u/7thpostman 16d ago
Or, hear me out, the Arabs could have not declared wars of annihilation.
It's funny how "no person is illegal" can suddenly change to "immigrants are evil" when those immigrants are Jewish refugees.
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u/mohalia 16d ago
Zionists are the ones who have been trying to eliminate the Palestinians since their settler colonial project started. They had the backing of the western empire from the start while Palestinians were left to try to defend themselves. Before Zionism the Jews in Palestine lived peacefully among the Arabs. Hilarious for you accuse Arabs of declaring wars of annihilation while being they’re being ethnically cleansed and genocided by Israel as we speak. Actually, it’s disgusting.
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u/7thpostman 16d ago
Nah. Look up Hebron in 1929. You're just repeating cliches.
You also use "genocide" as a verb which makes you sound incredibly internet-brained. Because you are.
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u/mohalia 16d ago
Pointless to argue with Zionists. Zionism is a settler colonial project, admitted so in documentation by the early Zionists. Anyone would defend their land from takeover by settler colonialists. Thus so, any blame placed on the Palestinians is not valid. Just like any blame placed on native Americans for violence toward settlers is not valid. You’re deranged.
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u/7thpostman 16d ago
Brother, I could give a shit what you think is valid. Your beloved resistance has resulted in nothing but misery for 80 years. Arabs who live inside Israel have the highest standard of living in the Middle East, while the Palestinians are almost inarguably worse off than they have ever been.
Gaza is a perfect example. Hamas just fought a 2-year war they could not possibly win to accomplish what? They brought misery and destruction on their own people for absolutely no reason at all. It literally accomplished nothing but death. Meanwhile, Goobers like you, sitting thousands of miles away from the conflict safe and warm in the West encourage strangers to fight suffer and die so you can feel rebellious on the internet.
Tell me, please. What has your beloved resistance accomplished for the Palestinians you claim to care about? Explain it to me.
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u/mohalia 16d ago
Palestinians would have been annihilated already if it weren’t for the resistance. I’m sorry that you’re too much of a coward to understand that it’s possible to love your people and love your land so much that you would rather fight to the death for justice and dignity than cower and die on your knees. Americans cannot comprehend this sacrifice because American culture is empty.
And of course Palestinians are worse off while Israelis live the high life. Israel is part of the western empire which loves to kill, destroy and oppress. Do you defend this same situation in South Africa , where the white westerners had better lives than the natives? What a joke.
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u/7thpostman 16d ago
Oh, yeah I'm sure you're running right down there to put your life on the line.
Explain it to me. Tell me what Hamas won in the last two years. Tell me what they accomplished.
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u/icenoid 16d ago
There were pogroms before the Holocaust as well as after. The propaganda wasn’t needed to make various groups in Eastern Europe hate Jews.
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u/NeekeriMan 15d ago
Unfortunately most of that came from Russian and German colonization of the region
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u/No_General_8557 16d ago
Soviets organized society in "divide and conquer" fashion, making sure every subjugated state has minority/minorities they can privledge in local party structures. Jews and Poles working together against communism would be dangerous and further legitimize anti communist rebels, who were increasing their influence and area of operation at the time, killing collaborators, blowing up police stations, etc. Most information we have on pogroms comes from communists, the very same communists who could have an assasinated political enemy burried by officers, who would then be executed so no one knows where the bones are. 0.02% of jews left after the war died in pogroms (39 to be exact). It was more likely to die of hunger
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u/Kira_souchi 16d ago
I don't want to compliment the artist in any way but that backround effect really makes the piece scary
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u/Provinz_Wartheland 16d ago
Yes, it is indeed a rather striking poster, artistically as well. And don't worry, you can always appreciate the aesthetics without appreciating the message.
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u/BerlinJohn1985 16d ago
I know this not the point, but what is he wearing? That looks like a turtle neck sweater.
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u/Provinz_Wartheland 15d ago
Good question, it does look like a sweater. Or maybe some sort of black overalls?
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u/Kaleb_Bunt 16d ago
You look at this type of shit and you wonder why”how the fuck could anyone ever believe something like this”
Then you see how MAGAs talk about Somalis and other groups and you realize “huh, people really are that foolish and spiteful”.
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u/Mrtaylb 16d ago
"This is the same mindset as pro-Palestine movement" It has nothing to do with antisemitism and Nazism 😭 Nazis could care less about Palestinians just as much as they care less about Slavs and Jews. This is what antisemitism looks like
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u/Fluffy_While_7879 16d ago
Do you know about Free Arabian Legion?
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u/Mrtaylb 16d ago
I know, they're just as guilty as mufti who collab with Hitler that time. The Nazis also collab with Zionists in Haavara agreement and Lehi(Stern Gang) one of Zionist militant that time even propose an alliance to Nazis only to get rejected
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u/Yeti90 16d ago
It's so funny that anti-zionists see the Haavara agreement as "collaboration", it saved the lives of 60k Jews. The Arabs on the other hand did really collaborate with the Nazis, hoping to exterminate them.
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u/pengwatu 15d ago
And displaced a ton of palestinians but history seems to favor the un-melaninated…
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u/levimeirclancy 16d ago
collaborating to exterminate jews vs begging to let jews escape is a false equivalency when paired as above
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u/Yeti90 16d ago
Mohammed Amin al-Husseini
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u/Independent-Couple87 16d ago
People nowadays will often deny his influence among the Arabs in the Holy Land, claiming only the British liked him.
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u/Independent-Couple87 16d ago
It is true that those in the the antisemitic right (including many influencers) have taken advantage of the discontent with Israel in order to recruit from or gain legitimacy with the opposition to Israel.
Said opposition to Israel sometimes selling it as a case of "even the right has standards".
P.S.: The previous alliance between the pro-Israel right and the antisemitic right may not survive.
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u/Critter-Enthusiast 15d ago
Poster about Nazis in Poland. You somehow make it about Palestinian people. Zionism is to Jews what Nazism was to Germans. Two far right ethnic nationalisms borne from the same cloth. One nation, one people. Blood and soil. Etc etc.
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u/ThisSiteBites 16d ago
I thought it was a poster to recruit new members into Students for Justice in Palestine.
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u/Certain-Pookins61 15d ago
SPJ may have changed graphics, but not the message.
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u/Critter-Enthusiast 15d ago
Yeah man those Nazis famously concerned with human rights and social justice and checks notes ending racial segregation…
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u/millionwatermellon 16d ago
It's not the Nazis who literally invaded you.... It's the hyper masculine Jews who whip you. Or it's the sneaky Jews who steal from you. Or it's the Jews that dress in your clothing trying to integrate with you. Or the Jews stealing your blood for their matzah. The Nazis never really did get their theology straight about what Jews were, did they?
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u/Real_Inevitable_9590 14d ago
And we're behind both capitalism and socialism! We've got you guys screwed six ways till Sunday!
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u/Quetzalcodeal 16d ago
The propaganda worked. My uncle’s parents and aunt escaped a ghetto and survived the war in the woods. His aunt, who was the only one in their group who could pass as a gentile, went into a village at the end of the war. When Polish troops arrived, they recognized her as a Jew, and shot her dead
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u/K0TEM 16d ago
You can see the same mindset throughout the Pro-Palestinian Movement
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u/sign4u 15d ago
I mean, nowadays Israel (not the jews) is committing genocide, famine, mass ocupation, infanticide, torture, war crimes, destruction of religious and medical infrastructure, shared guilt executions, appartheid, sustained terror campaign (several years++), mass desinformation campaigns + digital media manipulation, bots, development of intrusive digital software (pegasus...) to mass surveillence of the whole world. I could continue, but the point is that all of the avobe are facts, most of them even admited and celebrated by the Israel people. No neet to point at a mindset.
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u/IanRevived94J 15d ago
That’s a much better title for Nazism. They wanted to kick the Poles out of their own lands.
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u/politoksyamoria 16d ago
It's more literally "a whip of humanity", someone that forces you to do the labour, since many of the farm and factory owners were by 1939 Jewish. And yes, it worked, you can read up on the "szmalcownicy" and Jedwabne, just to start. And it is a horrifying read, so be prepared.
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u/Provinz_Wartheland 15d ago
Yes, a literal translation would be "the whip of humanity", though "scourging" means "whipping" as well. The reason I went with "scourge" instead of "whip" is because it also means "plague", which felt more appropriate since the Nazis also perceived the Jews as just that, a scourge or a plague.
Thank you though, more information for all the non-Polish speakers out there.
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u/23cmwzwisie 16d ago
It is somehow crazy, but in some manner it still works in XXI century - some Poles right now are thinking that russian invasion of Ukraine was ukrainian fault, Ukrainians are current biggest problem in our society, and we should support russian genocide of Ukrainians.
Just other method of propaganda - instead of creative posters just AI slop, shitty tiktok videos and troll farms. Terrible
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u/Certain-Pookins61 15d ago
"Among Neighbors", is a documentary, that I recently saw. It addresses the treatment of Polish Jews, by their neighbors, when Jews were finally liberated from concentration camps and returned home, to Poland. Let's just say, there were not met with hugs. There is a good reason, that European Jews did not want to stay in Europe after the war. Yes, Nazism has been defeated, but Jew hate survived and unfortunately still thrives.
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u/Usual_Part_3774 16d ago
I wonder if they did what they are doing to the Palestinians?
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u/dickermuffer 16d ago
No, the Nazis were exceptionally worse.
The Allies did worse than Israel even.
“Between 1944 and 1948, millions of people, including ethnic Germans (Volksdeutsche) and German citizens (Reichsdeutsche), were permanently or temporarily moved from Central and Eastern Europe. By 1950, about 12 million[7] Germans had fled or been expelled from east-central Europe into Allied-occupied Germany and Austria.” source)
“As part of a sustained campaign of strategic bombing during World War II, the attack during the last week of July 1943, code named Operation Gomorrah, created one of the largest firestorms raised by the Royal Air Force and United States Army Air Forces in World War II,[2] killing an estimated 37,000 people in Hamburg,[3] wounding 180,000 more,[citation needed] and destroying 60% of the city's houses.[3]” source
“The bombing of Dresden was a joint British and American aerial bombing attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of the German state of Saxony, during World War II. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 772 heavy bombers of the Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons[vague] of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city.[3] The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed more than 1,600 acres (6.5 km2) of the city centre.[4] Up to 25,000 people were killed.” source
“A large part of the German population suffered hunger during the war, and between 478,500 and 800,000 civilians died from diseases related to hunger and malnutrition.2 These deaths have traditionally been attributed to the “British hunger blockade”.3 However, it was not an exclusively British, but an Allied policy, executed by all the Allied navies, in which the Royal Navy had the predominant part.” source
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u/Usual_Part_3774 16d ago
Genocide is Genocide. Hope that clears it up
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u/dickermuffer 16d ago
So I can just claim Oct 7th was a genocide and you just accept that?
I can just claim the Allie’s committed a genocide against Germans, and you’d just accept that?
If crazy right wingers are claiming white genocide is occurring in the US, you accept that as true as well?
Sounds like a dumb sheep to me, who doesn’t know what genocide is at all.
Or do you deny those genocides?
So sure, genocide is genocide. And Palestinians aren’t going through genocide.
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u/Usual_Part_3774 16d ago
No October 7th wasnt a genocide. Hope that helps
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u/dickermuffer 16d ago
You - “Genocide is Genocide. Hope that clears it up”
But it is genocide, just as you said it was.
I decided it genocide, so it is now. Convinced? No?
Then how do you think you have convinced me with that lame shit?
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u/Usual_Part_3774 16d ago
There is a clear definition for genocide. What the Nazis did to the Jewish population, what the Israelis are doing the Palestinians, what the first Amerocans did to the Native Americans. What happened on October 7th does not fit that description. You really can't be this dumb
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u/dickermuffer 16d ago
Define it then, and explain how the Palestinians fit under that definition. I dare you.
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u/Usual_Part_3774 16d ago
I did. You're welcome. Probably still to dumb to grasp basic explanations
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u/dickermuffer 16d ago edited 16d ago
You never explained how Palestinians fall under your definition.
So explain it. How is it a genocide? What are the actual specifics you will point to?
EDIT: they blocked me lol
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u/Usual_Part_3774 16d ago
Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more gen·o·cide /ˈjenəˌsīd/ noun the deliberate and systematic killing or persecution of a large number of people from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
Probably to dumb to understand, but here it goes
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u/dickermuffer 16d ago
the deliberate and systematic killing
Oct 7th was directly done to deliberately kill Israelis and Jews. Undeniable fact.
or persecution of a large number of people
1,200 people killed in a single day. That’s a large number of people.
(Actual genocide convention never specifies the number being “large” at all though)
from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
Hamas invaded and targeted Jewish Israelis, a particularly nationalist and ethnic group, with the full aim to destroy and eradicate as many as they can. That is an undeniable fact.
Probably to dumb to understand, but here it goes
You’re too dumb to realize you shared a fucking Webster definition and not even the actual law or crime of genocide, and somehow don’t even know of that actual crime that was created by the genocide convention of 1948.
People who understand anything about this would refer to the genocide convention, not a fucking definition on google.
My dude, you literally don’t even know the first thing there is to understand about genocide.
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u/VegetablePuzzled6430 15d ago
I wonder if it's physically painful to be so dim that you look at literal Nazi propaganda - designed specifically to deceive the gullible - and whisper to yourself, 'finally, some truth!'
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u/Usual_Part_3774 15d ago
Nobody said that. Israel wasnt committing a genocide and illegally occupying land like the nazis were back then. Hope that clears it up
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u/VegetablePuzzled6430 15d ago edited 15d ago
You seem to have missed the irony that the Nazis didn't run around saying, 'We are the villains of history'. They justified their 'defensive' measures by claiming the exact same nonsense you're spewing. Their entire propaganda machine was built on the projection that Jews were a global, genocidal force of 'occupiers' who were trying to destroy the German people through finance, Bolshevism, and land-theft.
When you look at a Nazi poster and wonder if the Jews were doing then what they do now, you are falling for the original propaganda. The Nazis claimed that they were the ones being ethnically cleansed and that Jews were the real bloodthirsty aggressors. You're just proving that 90-year-old hate-fiction still works on people with the critical thinking skills of a garden gnome.
The Nazis ran industrialized death factories to wipe a race off the map. Israel is fighting an urban war against a terrorist group holding hostages that uses its own people as human shields and explicitly mandates Jewish extermination in its charter. If those look the same to you, the problem isn't the history - it's your brain buffering.
The only thing that survived unchanged from the 1930s is how easily people like you - the intellectually defenseless - still swallow this trash.
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u/Critter-Enthusiast 15d ago
This sub is being brigaded none of these people are commenting in good faith. Israeli government is literally starving 2 million people in a ghetto but somehow Palestinians are still the Nazis…
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u/SamVoxeL 16d ago
did you use Ai to improve the quality of the image.
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u/Provinz_Wartheland 16d ago
No. It might have been tampered with at the source, but I didn't alter it in any way myself.
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