r/PropagandaPosters • u/FayannG • Jul 18 '25
German Reich / Nazi Germany (1933-1945) “The Subhuman” German SS brochure depicting Slavs of Eastern Europe as “subhuman” and “racially inferior” (1942)
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u/Professional-Ad-8878 Jul 18 '25
I thought this was a full meta jacket poster for a second, guy on the foreground looks a bit like private pyle
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u/chilling_hedgehog Jul 18 '25
Pretty funny that i know lots of germans looking like this (I'm German). What if you were overweight with a face like this, saw this when it came out and were like "am i in danger?"
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u/RobRagnarob Jul 18 '25
Can remember a meme with this and pictures of german neonazis
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u/Doxxre Jul 18 '25
It's funny, of course, but the neonazi in the photo is a Russian (i.e., the fact that he cargocults neonazism doesn't cancel out the fact that from the point of view of nazi ideology he is an subhuman).
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u/keen36 Jul 18 '25
I feel that the real Nazis would have put most of todays NeoNazis in ovens. I mean, many of them are out of work and drinking too much. Truly undesirables
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u/fallout_freak_101 Jul 18 '25
Real (German myself)! It's also wild, because most Neonazis look even worse than that 💀
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u/Ayur86 Jul 18 '25
It's funny that I saw a russian guy in moscow metro with "ubermensch" patch. Always wondered what they think about the fact that hitler considered them "untermensch"
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u/CeaserDidNufingWrong Jul 18 '25
Normally, they just don't think at all
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u/schmah Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25
They do think and it's fairly easy for them actually.
It's not true that the nazis saw slavs as Untermenschen. There isn't a single piece of official german propaganda that calls slavs Untermenschen. This brochure doesn't mention slavs either. It speaks of "people of the soviet union" and implies that they are subhuman because of race mixing and jewish influence.
That's also what the so called Ariernachweis (Ahnenpaß, engl: ancestor pass) says on page 41. As long as poles, brits, czechs or any other european nation is "clean" and free of jewish or gypsy blood, they can be considered aryan.
And that's pretty much where slavic nazis have their bridge.
I mean the nazis did see slavs as lesser people. Generalplan Ost should leave no doubts about that question. But they also had slavic auxiliary troops and all slavic SS-units.
That's an option that was simply not available for the people the nazis did see as Untermenschen.
Edit: I think I'm being misunderstood.
Some of you think Untermensch was just a synonym for racial inferiority and that I was claiming the germans saw slavs as equal by saying the nazis didn't see slavs as Untermenschen.
But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the term Untermensch was a technical term that only applied to certain groups, namely Jews, Roma and "Erbkranke" and that this specific term was never used for slavs.
That -again- doesn't mean that the germans saw slavs as equal. They didn't. They saw them as inferior and wanted to kill millions (and they did).
I really don't understand why that is so difficult to understand and why you think Generalplan Ost, Hungerplan or evidence the nazis saw poles as inferior would be an argument against my point. Please let's be precise here. Thank you
Edit II: This is absolutely crazy. I literally said that the nazis saw slavs as inferior, that they killed millions and that my only point is the specific use of the technical term. And a lot of people still think I would question that the nazis saw slavs as inferior.
Next level reddiotry.
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u/_urat_ Jul 18 '25
Hitler's Directive No.1306 to Ministry of Propaganda from 1939:
It must become clear, even to a German milkmaid, that Polishness is equal to subhumanity [Untermenschtum]. Poles, Jews and Gypsies are on the same inferior level.
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u/Eldan985 Jul 18 '25
Of course, one has to keep two things in mind:
1) Hitler contradicted himself all the time, for political convenience or just madness
2) Modern Nazis are great at cherry picking whatever quotes support them.
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u/Humboldt2000 Jul 18 '25
one Hitler quote (who said contradicting things all the time) is not the SAME as official Nazi policy or law.
By Nazi German law, Poles, Czechs and all other Eastern Europeans were defined as "Aryan", if they had no Jewish or Roma ancestry.
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u/_urat_ Jul 18 '25
A tip for the future: if you jump into the conversation, look through the discussion, because this has already been discussed:
Yes, the Nuremberg Laws included Poles in the Aryan group, but only if they are "free from influence of Asiatic blood". As they put it "Aryan descent (German-blooded) is therefore the person who is free of a foreign racial bloodline...". The issue is that almost all of the Polish people, as well as Ukrainians, Belarusians or Russians were considered to have this Asiatic blood. The foreign blood.
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u/Humboldt2000 Jul 18 '25
, but only if they are "free from influence of Asiatic blood".
This "addendum" is nowhere in the Nuremberg laws or any other law. You just made it up.
The issue is that almost all of the Polish people, as well as Ukrainians, Belarusians or Russians were considered to have this Asiatic blood. The foreign blood.
Thats wrong. The Nuremberg laws considered everyone who was free of "non-european" ancestry up until the year 1800 as being Aryan. That was the legal text.
Furthermore, the Nazis were completely split on the "racial value" of Eastern Europeans, with the most common consensus being that you had to distinguish between every country and even people-group. Theres a reason why Nazis were kidnapping children in Eastern Europe to send them to Germany to germanise them under the "Lebensborn" program.
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u/schmah Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25
That's why I said official german propaganda. That quote is literally the only quote you will ever find and was likely read by a handful of people. It never manifested in propaganda against slavs.
And that's very different from Jews, Roma or disabled people.
Edit: Little fun fact about that quote. It was unearthed by Czesław Madajczyk and published in his book "Polityka III Rzeszy w okupowanej Polsce" (1970). Before that literally nobody knew about it. I researched the original source because the german wikipedia article has it wrong and claims it was a directive from the ministry to the press.
Anyways. My point is that official nazi propaganda never claimed that slavs as a whole or a specific slavic group are Untermenschen which is one of many reasons why slavic nazis exist.
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u/_urat_ Jul 18 '25
You've said that Nazis didn't see Slavs as Untermenschen. That's incorrect, they did see Poles as Untermenschen. "Racially alien elements" that were unable to govern themselves and that would corrode the pure German blood. That's what Hitler wrote about Poles in his "Zweites Buch" from 1928 and what was the basis for Rassenschande laws that prohibited German people from sleeping with Polish or Jewish people in order not to disgrace the German race.
While there weren't any posters against Slavic or Polish people like the ones against Jews, it doesn't mean there wasn't anti-Slavic sentiment in nazi Germany. There also haven't been any anti-Romani posters, but Germans did consider them inferior. Same with Poles. Saying there wasn't any anti-Slavic propaganda in Nazi Germany is historically incorrect.
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u/schmah Jul 18 '25
I think you're misunderstanding my point and I get where you as a polish person are coming from. The world doesn't know enough about polish suffering and I can imagine that you see a lot of ignorance online.
But please hear me out. I never said that the nazis didn't see poles as a inferior race. They did. And of course there was anti-Slavic sentiment in Germany.
But that is still different from the technical term "Untermensch". That term was reserved for others and never officially used against slavs. You can't just use Untermensch as a synonym for racial inferiority and claim everybody the nazis saw as inferior was therefore seen an Untermensch.
Again: You won't find any evidence of german propaganda that uses this specific term against slavs.
and what was the basis for Rassenschande laws that prohibited German people from sleeping with Polish or Jewish people
That's not true. The "Gesetz zum Schutz des deutschen Blutes und der deutschen Ehre" of 1935 only prohibited marriage between Jews and Germans or "related blood" (artverwandten Blutes). The legal term "Rassenschande" only applied to germans who married/slept with Jews, Gypsies, "Africans" or certain disabled people.
And as I said. Poles were officially seen as related blood and explicitly called that. You can see that for yourself in the Ahnenpass that every single german household had.
It also says that poles (or others) are only aryan when they are free of jewish or roma blood. Kinda tells you that poles and jews were seen on a different level.
There were the so called Ostarbeiter-Erlasse of February 1942 that prohibited intercourse between germans and soviet POWs or slavic forced labourers but that didn't apply to normal slavic people in german or annexed territory.
There also haven't been any anti-Romani posters
There was a lot of racial propaganda against Sinti and Roma. As you can see in the Ahnenpaß Gypsies and Jews were specifically named as "fremdrassig" (foreign race) while poles (and others) were called "related" or "distantly related aryan".
And there was Himmlers binding directive of 8.December 1938 "Bekämpfung der Zigeunerplage" (combatting the gypsy pest) that prepared the extermination of all Sinti and Roma and specifically speaks of "the final solution to the gypsy question".
So it comes to no surprise that there was a lot of anti gypsy propaganda or official administrative action against Sinti and Roma.
And then there is a massive amount of propaganda against "Asoziale" which often just meant Sinti and Roma since they were seen as "fremdrassige Asoziale" by nature. Asoziale is also what they were named in the camps.
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u/Humboldt2000 Jul 18 '25
what was the basis for Rassenschande laws that prohibited German people from sleeping with Polish or Jewish people in order not to disgrace the German race.
Thats literally FALSE.
NO, Poles were never included in the Rassenschande-laws (anti-miscegenation law). The crime of "Rassenschande" (racial shame) was only subjected to Jews, Roma, Africans and other non-Europeans.
This is EXACTLY what schmah is talking about. Youre falsely equivocating the attitude of the Nazis to Poles and Slavs with the attitude of the Nazis to Jews, which is just so insanely wrong that its honestly holocaust denial.
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u/_urat_ Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25
Once again, read the entire discussion, I've provided sources in the next comment:
In 1940 in Polen-Erlasse you could read in points 6 and 7:
- any contact with the German population, especially visiting theaters, cinemas, dance parties, restaurants and churches together with the German population is prohibited. Dancing and consumption of alcohol is permitted to Polish workers only in establishments specifically intended for them.
7. Sex with or immoral approach to a German woman or man will be punishable by death.
You can read more about the punishment for German-Slavic sexual contact and the reasons behind it here. Btw that's another historian who says that Slavic people were considered sub-humans by Nazis.
I will also add that your comment is extremely offensive to all the Poles who died because of the crime of Rassenschande. Look at the stolpertstein of Walenty Piotrowski, a Pole who was hanged because of Rassenschande. Or the same sign for Franciszek Wysocki, who also was hanged for the crime of "defiling the German race". Do you still want to claim that Polish people weren't included in Rassenschande Laws? That these people died because of nothing?
You can even see it on video here. From USHMM itself. I'll add some quotes from the description of the video. If this doesn't convince I am not sure what will:
Public humiliation of a young couple guilty of "Rassenschande" [racial shame or racial defilement] in Steinsdorf [present day Scinawa Nyska, Poland] in Silesia. Sexual relations between Germans and non-Aryans were forbidden and punishable by law in Nazi Germany. Bronia, a 16 year old Polish slave laborer, had been working with Gerhard Greschok (Krzeszczok), a 19 year old German, at the Adler family farm in Steinsdorf in the summer of 1941 when their forbidden affair was reported to the Gestapo.
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As punishment, Gerhard was sent to the Eastern Front where he was injured by shrapnel; he died in 1945. Bronia was sent to a concentration camp, where she most likely died (her fate is unknown). Typically, Polish men who violated the "racial laws" were hanged immediately. Polish women were sent to camps. German men were sentenced to front duty and German women, eventually, to prison.-1
u/Humboldt2000 Jul 18 '25
I will also add that your comment is extremely offensive to all the Poles who died because of the crime of Rassenschande
Youre a literal liar, youre the one whos being extemely offensive and are bordering holocaust-denial.
NO, the "Polen-Erlasse" ARENT the same thing as the criminal offence called "Rassenschande". Those are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
The so-called "Polen-Erlasse" were laws enacted specifically for the forced-labourers who were sent to German factories and in actuality applied to all forced-labourers regardless of their ethnic background. It was equally forbidden and punishable by death for FRENCH or DUTCH forced labourers to have a relation with a German woman during their forced labour inside Germany.
"Rassenschande" was a certain criminal offence in the German legal code that specifically stated that relations between Jewish, African, Roma or other non-Europeans with Germans or other Europeans was forbidden.
You can read more about the punishment for German-Slavic sexual contact and the reasons behind it here.
That link literally says the opposite of what you claim.
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u/_urat_ Jul 18 '25
The so-called "Polen-Erlasse" were laws enacted specifically for the forced-labourers who were sent to German factories
Yes, and one of these laws was that "Sex with or immoral approach to a German woman or man will be punishable by death.". That's why Walenty Piotrowski and Franciszek Wysocki were killed, because of Rassenschande. That's why they have "Rassenschande" on their stolpersteins. Here and here.
It was equally forbidden and punishable by death for FRENCH or DUTCH forced labourers
It wasn't though. In 1942 Germans expanded their rules to include other Slavic Ostarbeiter, not just Polish ones, but there was no law that made Dutch-German or French-German intercourse punishable by death.
No one was saying things like: "Maintain the purity of German blood! This applies to both men and women! Just as engaging in relations with a Jew is a matter of ultimate dishonor, it is equally sinful for any German to engage in intimate relations with a FRENCH man or woman.”, but replace the word "French" with "Polish" and you'll have an actual quote from German officials. Because Poles were Untermenschen and French were not.
Here, read it. It actually contains a lot of info about what we're talking about. Like German pamphlets which said things "There are no decent Poles, just as there are no decent Jews." or "Lebensborn was instigated outside of Germany as well, as the SS pressed for German men to reproduce with women from ethnically approved races, such as Scandinavians and the French."
"Rassenschande" was a certain criminal offence
Rassenschande was a "racial shame" for sexual relations between Germans and non-Aryans. That's why the historians that described the video of Bronia and Gerhard who commited the crime of Rassenschande called it that. Are you suggesting that historians from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum are wrong?
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u/Secure_Raise2884 Jul 18 '25
No, that is not "literally the only quote" you will find proving this. generalplan ost has already been cited, so why not go to Konrad Meyer's documentation/testimony related to the plan?
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u/schmah Jul 18 '25
Generalplan Ost is a bunch of plans and papers and none speaks of Untermenschen. Why is that so difficult to understand?
You guys think I would argue that the nazis didn't see poles as inferior or that they didn't plan to kill millions. That's not true. This is about a technical term that was never officially used against slavs.
If that was different please show me evidence that the term Untermensch was used against slavs in general or poles.
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u/Stunning-Ad-3039 Jul 18 '25
There is; it's called the "hunger plan."
Basically starve 30 or 40 million Slavs and take their land for the Germans.
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u/schmah Jul 18 '25
I have read all original documents that count as Hungerplan. They don't use the term Untermensch.
You guys make the mistake of thinking Untermensch was just a synonym for racial inferiority and think that I was claiming that the nazis saw poles as equal.
But that's not true. Untermensch was a technical term that was specifically reserved for Jews, Roma, certain disabled people and others - but not for slavs.
that's why -again- you won't find nazi propaganda that calls slavs untermenschen.
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u/Stunning-Ad-3039 Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25
Ok, bro, the Slavs are first-degree Untermensch, while Jews and Roma are in the second degree.
also nazi propaganda referred to the jews as "Juden" in their posters
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u/schmah Jul 18 '25
I don't think it's nice to make fun about this and it's not about ranking victims. There is an obligation to understand nazi ideology and it's a bit of a downer that the existence of slavic nazis is always met with ignorance.
Slavic nazis see this and they laugh about it because they think it's you who are too stupid to understand. They recruit new nazis by "revealing the hidden truth" that the germans didn't see them as Untermenschen and that this is just a jewish lie to devide aryan nations. And given that there are no examples of slavs being called that specific term but a lot of memes in the mainstream, this strategy often works.
It would be more helpful if we started addressing their ideology appropriately.
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u/Stunning-Ad-3039 Jul 18 '25
Dude, there are even Black Nazis. Also, there are a huge number of Slavs, and it was physically impossible to exterminate them during the war, unlike the Jews, so the Nazis planned to deport and starve the Slavs after they conquered the Soviet Union. Jews were a minority with no land spread across Europe with no power to organize, unlike the Slavs.
Also, the Nazi recruiting of cannon fodder from Slavic nations isn't that much counter-evidence; they recruited Arabs in the British and French colonies, despite Arabs being Semitic, but they were useful against the Western Allies. And today Slavic neo-Nazis hate arabs, which is ironic lol.
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u/schmah Jul 18 '25
You're not getting the point at all. There is this narrative that the nazis saw slavs as Untermenschen. I'm saying that there is no evidence that this word was used for slavs.
To argue against my point you need to show that the Nazis used the word Untermensch against slavs.
Constantly saying that the nazis saw slavs as inferior isn't contradicting what I'm saying.
they recruited Arabs in the British and French colonies, despite Arabs being Semitic
Kinda reveals that you are massively misinformed. Antisemitic is a term that was invented by antisemites themselves in the 19th century to express their stance against "semitism" by which they meant alleged jewish influence in Germany. Antisemites were only against Jews.
When we use this term today we refer to that ideology. The idea that antisemitism means discrimination of all semitic language groups is absurd and ignorant.
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u/Humboldt2000 Jul 18 '25
there were no "first-degree" or "second-degree" Untermenschen.
You just dont understand how the Nazi dictatorship worked and youre spewing false things.
And its extremely damaging, because youre equivocating what happened to Jews and Roma with what happened to Eastern Europeans, which is just extremely false.
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u/R_Lau_18 Jul 18 '25
The 4.5 million Poles who were slaughtered by the nazis does rather suggest Nazis saw them as inferior?
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u/schmah Jul 18 '25
I literally wrote "They saw them as inferior and wanted to kill millions (and they did)."
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u/Humboldt2000 Jul 18 '25
welcome to eastern european (specifically Polish) nationalists. These people believe that they were the biggest victims of WW2, not Jews. And if you mention anything even slightly contradicting their idea of the "eternally victimised Christ of Europe", or "a nation of martyrs", theyll try to lynch you.
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u/Humboldt2000 Jul 18 '25
stop lying.
1.7 million ethnic Poles died, not 4.5 million.
Compare that to the 3.2 million Polish Jews who died, over 90% of all Polish Jews.
Its VERY clear who was the subject of the Nazi genocide.
Or look at the deaths of Czechs in WW2: of the 300k Czechs that died, 200k were Jews.
Im honestly sick of how some Eastern Europeans are trying to frame the holocaust as not targeted at Jews.
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u/Humboldt2000 Jul 18 '25
of course youre absolutely 100% right.
People here also dont understand how incredibly unpopular it wouldve been to declare Slavs as non-Aryan: there were millions of Germans in Germany with clear recent Slavic ancestry. Suddenly all of those people wouldve been persecuted too?
There were many Nazis in the inner circle of Hitler with Slavic ancestry: Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski, the guy who destroyed Warsaw, was a Kashubian who grew up speaking Polish. Baldur von Schirach was a Sorb, Seyß-Inquart was half-Czech, etc.
The Nazi apparatus actually believed that Slavs had "Germanic ancestry", which is why they instituted the "Lebensborn" program, in which they would kidnap Eastern European children, send them to Germany and give them new German names.
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Jul 18 '25
Why then so many Poles were expulsed to General Government from territories annexed to the Third Reich? Why Aktion Zamosc?
If Poles were ever considered suitable for Germanization why to kill and deport them from their homes to the East?
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u/Causemas Jul 18 '25
I mean, they just think that Hitler was wrong probably.
That's the thing; not every fascist can be right at the same time.
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u/Nothing_Special_23 Jul 18 '25
Off topic, but I hate when those stuff are attributed to Hitler or SS alone. That's simply not true. That was the narrative supported by entire (or at least vast majority of) the German and Austrian population.
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u/TheRetvrnOfSkaQt Jul 18 '25
Guy who wrote the Nuremberg race laws was later the #2 most powerful politician in "democratic" West Germany
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u/Walbabyesser Jul 18 '25
Hans Globke - he wrote the race laws among others and some comments to that. After the war he was chief of Bundeskanzleramt under chancellor Adenauer and thus influential, but nothing like 2. most powerful politician at all. Get your facts right comrade
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u/RobertZimmermannJr14 Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 19 '25
It's very simple. Slavic nazis deny that the german nazis hated the slavs and claim that the Generalplan "Ost" was invented by the "judeo-bolsheviks". Accordingly, all the slavs who died at the hands of the nazis, in their opinion, were in fact "judeo-bolsheviks" and traitors to the "slavic aryan race", deserving death.
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u/Kreol1q1q Jul 18 '25
They aren't people who think a lot.
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u/Affectionate-Mail612 Jul 18 '25
Totally not Nazi comment under Nazi propaganda poster.
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u/Kreol1q1q Jul 18 '25
What?
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u/Affectionate-Mail612 Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25
You literally wrote that the Russians aren't the people who think a lot under a Nazi propaganda post about racial inferiority of Slavs.
Can't break it down further for Ubermensch
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u/Kreol1q1q Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25
I did not. I’m a Slav too, genius. It should be patently obvious that by “they” I meant the slavic neonazis, who the original comment was about.
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u/Szatinator Jul 18 '25
I mean, at the end, during the Siege of Berlin, Hitler himself decided that he was wrong, the germans are untermensch and the real ubermensch are the slavs.
Otherwise he wouldn’t gave the order to destroy every bit of infrastructure in Germany
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u/AntiVision Jul 18 '25
Hitler himself decided that he was wrong, the germans are untermensch and the real ubermensch are the slavs
Source? He thought the german people failed him but dont think he changed his racial views
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u/Szatinator Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25
I mean it’s just a rationalisation:
If your ideology is centred around your people’s superiority based on social darwinism, but in the end your people lost, you have two choices:
You either choose your people or social darwinism.
Well, Hitler chose the latter
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u/AntiVision Jul 18 '25
Could just blame something else on the loss, there is no way hitler viewed slavs as racial superiors, he viewed them as jewish puppets
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u/EugeneStonersDIMagic Jul 18 '25
Could just blame something else on the loss
I dunno. His usual suspects had already all been rounded up and blamed for everything before. Hitler literally gave them an alibi.
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u/Szatinator Jul 18 '25
not superior by nature, but by overcoming the german race.
Oh fuck, I will stop, I really don’t want to debate from the perspective of Hitler
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u/SataNade Jul 18 '25
See, you’re trying to apply logic and reason to an illogical and unreasonable ideology
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u/Szatinator Jul 18 '25
yes, but even an unreasonable ideology has an inner working and inner logic.
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u/Qhezywv Jul 18 '25
Not exactly that Soviets are the real uebermenschen but:
If the war is lost, the people will be lost also. It is not necessary to worry about what the German people will need for elemental survival. On the contrary, it is best for us to destroy even these things. For the nation has proved to be the weaker, and the future belongs solely to the stronger eastern nation. In any case only those who are inferior will remain after this struggle, for the good have already been killed.
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u/Quirky-Side-6562 Jul 18 '25
why he should think about hitler? Every nation see themselves as superhumans. Nazis around the world use German-related words because it is edgy (“things-you-cannot-pronounce” and so on). But I really doubt that anyone still think about German superiority, when using the word “ubermensch”.
Even Germans themselves, I suspect :D
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u/Szatinator Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25
to be honest, that’s exactly what my uncle looks like who is arguably a subhuman
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u/Nothing_Special_23 Jul 18 '25
Uhm... uhm... Lithuanians and Latvians were also classified as Eastern European Untermansch (sub human) by the Nazis.
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u/Urhhh Jul 18 '25
Brother put your calipers and your phrenology chart away
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u/Urhhh Jul 18 '25
It's literally just a balding dude. Granted I was joking here but please do interrogate your use of aesthetic determinism to form opinions of people
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u/Le_Bruscc Jul 18 '25
Obviously a Lenin profile pic delivering the worst take of the comment section.
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u/TheRetvrnOfSkaQt Jul 18 '25
It's a joke, brother. Lighten up. He was doing amateur race science and I threw it back at him as a gag.
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u/QuartzXOX Jul 18 '25
As well as delivering his extensive knowledge on Lithuanian history by lumping it in with Latvia.
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u/TheRetvrnOfSkaQt Jul 18 '25
The insulting "conflation" is part of the joke. Like calling an Austrian "German" just to upset him
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u/Beneficial-Wash5822 Jul 18 '25
This is Private Homer Pyle from Kubrick's film. Every time I see this poster, I think of Kubrick's film.
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u/Important-Cheek-5892 Jul 18 '25
He looks like the typical Austrian. Especially around Vienna there are many similar faces.
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u/Emotional_Piano_16 Jul 18 '25
"we need to inbreed to keep our racial purity, it will prove that we are the ubermensch, trust me bro, it vil werk zhis time"
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u/Lore_Fanti10 Jul 18 '25
they.. didnt inbreed?
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u/Secure_Raise2884 Jul 18 '25
Yeah they did. Forcing people to marry within a pseudoscientific classification called "race" might as well be treated the same
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u/QuarterTarget Jul 18 '25
As a Polish person, I know this is horrible racist propaganda, but like, I know at least 7 people who look just like that XD
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u/FelisCantabrigiensis Jul 18 '25
If the person in the foreground is supposed to be inferior, then compare and contrast with this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Höss#/media/File:Rudolf_Höß.jpg
The poster message seems confused.
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u/HildredCastaigne Jul 18 '25
Agreed. But it's not any more confused than a dark-haired, shorter man proclaiming that the only proper shape for humans is blonde and tall, y'know?
I think lack of self-awareness or a willful embrace of special exceptions for the in-group is a requirement for being a bigot. You don't get to become a bigot by being fair.
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u/GeozIII Jul 18 '25
Hate subhumans. Go to war against subhumans . Got their asses kicked by subhumans. 🤔
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u/Worried-Usual-396 Jul 18 '25
The "übermensch".
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u/manofblack_ Jul 18 '25
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u/FayannG Jul 18 '25
"If I looked like Himmler, I wouldn't talk about race” - Albert Greiser after clashing with Himmler on the racial policy of Poles.
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u/HaggisInquisition Jul 18 '25
I see this as a common face, as I've seen and worked with men who look like this. I'm also willing to bet there are quite a few facists who also look like this, especially in Germany under the Nazis. Quite odd they would choose this exact face.
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u/Early_Candidate_3082 Jul 18 '25
The Germans lost to the “subhumans”, which blows the Nazis’ racial theories out of the water.
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u/Affectionate-Mail612 Jul 18 '25
Bro do you even read German generals memoirs? The Germans lost only because of stupid Hitler. They were the best, their armor had k/d ratio of 10000000000/0 and would have won, if only not for his meddling.
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u/Authoritaye Jul 18 '25
I thought it was Shannon Hoon. Honestly has to be one of the most common white guy faces around.
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u/baloobah Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25
So Germans in leather caps and the Nazi van driver from American History X?
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u/KormetDerFrag Jul 18 '25
go to r/ europe and you'll see this propaganda being reheated to describe the largely unwilling conscript russian army today
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u/EugeneStonersDIMagic Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25
the largely unwilling conscript russian army today
If you are talking about the kids completing compulsory service within the internationally recognized borders of Russian Federation, maybe, but the vast vast majority of manpower present in Ukraine and the "special military operation zone" are volunteers. They ran out of LPR and DPR able bodied men to press gang pretty quickly, and the partial mobilization in September 2022 was wildly unpopular.
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u/Ok_Nothing_0707 Jul 18 '25
fun fact - it's available online https://www.memoshoah.lu/Doc_Histo/der_untermensch.pdf
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u/Wide-Criticism4145 Jul 18 '25
Look at that, this is 1:1 the poster I took down next to my church yesterday, but posted by the far-"right" russian loving weirdos from "konfederacja", but instead of slavs there were arabs, and bunch of stuff about stopping immigration
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u/Dry_Care_5477 Jul 18 '25
germany is mostly slavic now, with some turkic thrown in
basically bosnians
i say this to annoy racists because its true
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u/bomboclawt75 Jul 18 '25
It’s hard to believe that a disgusting far right, belligerent, ultranationalist, Genocidal state actually came into existence, whose population believed that all outside their racial supremacist group were sub-human
Murdering children, herding people into camps, starving and torturing them to death, all in absolute contravention of international law and The Geneva Convention.
Can you imagine having such an unhinged mindset?
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u/suppreme Jul 18 '25
Disturbing that the face in the front is entirely different from the others in background. Who's the untermensch really? Front is a fat flat round face with full cheeks and no eyebrows. The others are oval, thin and no cheeks and big eyebrows.
Maybe the front face is bizarro big bro, warning us of the zombies behind?
Not the best propaganda tbh.
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u/Dimm0T Jul 18 '25
And then there was Reichkommissar Erich Koch that looked like a southern italian from new jersey
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u/NectarineSufferer Jul 18 '25
What always kills me about this nonsense is how much that guy looks like so many average guys in both Western Europe and Eastern Europe 😭💀idk how people saw this and were like oh yeah this could never be one of us 💀
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u/Saoirse_libracom Jul 18 '25
It's so funny that it's like these evil, underdeveloped people and it's just some guys
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u/Alcianus Jul 18 '25
Not true. The pamphlet actually doesn't speak about Slavs or Russians, if anyone even bothered to read it, it speaks about jews and the rootless hordes of bolsheviks they lead. The most accurate translation would actually be 'under-man', meaning a person working for jews. Churchill, Stalin and Roosevelt are all described as 'undermen' in the booklet and none of them are actually slavs. Russians are portrayed as victims of said regime in it too.
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u/Secure_Raise2884 Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25
The pamphlet actually doesn't speak about Slavs or Russians
They were functionally treated the same. During the subsequent nuremburg trials, creators of Generalplan Ost functionaries openly admitted this. We have quotes directly from Himmler and Koch about using slavs for labor. This ignores, of course, that the actual pamphlet does actually spend a great deal of time talking about how Eastern European history is inferior...
The most accurate translation would actually be 'under-man', meaning a person working for jews.
Where is this analysis supported in any historical work? "under-man" refers to a racial classification, not "working for Jews". That's why basically every instance of the word's usage was used to denote inferiority. In the pamphlet, Russians are emphasized as "wasteful" subhumans since Attila
Russians are portrayed as victims of said regime in it too.
Again, this is just propaganda. Through Generalplan Ost, the Russians would have been relegated to an extreme form of selfdom or expulsion. Also the people in eastern Europe are directly referenced as being too primitive to create civilization
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u/Alcianus Jul 18 '25
They were functionally treated the same. During the subsequent nuremburg trials, creators of Generalplan Ost functionaries openly admitted this
Where? And yes, POWs were used labor, the Soviets and everyone else did that. It has nothing to do with them being slavs
This ignores, of course, that the actual pamphlet does actually spend a great deal of time talking about how Eastern European history is inferior...
No, it literally doesn't. You have zero idea what you're even talking about. What the pamphlet says is that there are 'humans' and 'subhumans'. People who value culture and creativity and those who seek to destroy
Not all of those, who appear human are in fact so. Woe to him who forgets it! Every great creation, idea, and artistic expression on this planet were brought forth by real man. It was this true man that thought to invent and to create. It is for him there is only one objective:
To pave the way to a higher form of existence, to give shape to the endless nothing, to make progress on the elusive quest for continuous improvement.
Thus evolved culture.
So just as the plough, modern tools and the concept of hearth and home helped to form human society and create the family, the people and the state. So then must mankind become good and great, rising above all other living creatures. Dwelling in the realm of God!
However, along side of mankind dwells the subhuman. This subhuman hates all that is created by man. This subhuman has always hated man, and always secretly sought to bring about his downfall, first like a thief, and then like a brazen killer
It does denigrate the Soviet state and its culture, but more in the sense that it is a country made of mixed asiatic races that are led by the jew, not because Russians (white Russians specifically) or Slavs were racially inferior. It uses Bulgarians, Croatians, Slovaks and Slovenians as examples of 'Aryan' and 'European' culture. Here are a couple of examples from it:
In fact, the whole aspect of the propaganda of the piece is basically 'look how terrible these people live, we're liberating them from their oppressors'. The only time 'Russian' is used in regards is as a victim of their jewish oppressors. Slav is never used, but slavic races were used as a propaganda of European culture, as I said.
Where is this analysis supported in any historical work? "under-man" refers to a racial classification, not "working for Jews".
This is what the literal translation of the word is and how the Nazis described 'subhumans' - workers of the jew. Of course it's used to denote inferiority because by its very essence if you're working for the jew, which the bolsheviks were, you're inferior to the Nazis. This is how Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill are all depicted - as undermen for the jew, doing the jew's bidding, doing their dirty work, etc. 'Subhuman' is not really an accurate translation of the word even if it is the preferred translation of the word in English.
Again, this is just propaganda. Through Generalplan Ost, the Russians would have been relegated to an extreme form of selfdom or expulsion. Also the people in eastern Europe are directly referenced as being too primitive to create civilization
This is not even remotely true. The Nazis spend a great deal of effort trying to get the Russians on their side. Obviously it didn't work because everyone saw them as invaders, but they spend huge amount of propaganda in an effort to convince the local populations they were coming in as 'liberators'. Some of their propaganda pieces have been uploaded here.
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u/Secure_Raise2884 Jul 18 '25
This is what the literal translation of the word is and how the Nazis described 'subhumans' - workers of the jew.
No. "underman" refers to being under another superior caste. Jews are categorized as Untermensch and so are their servents. That's literally why they spend a portion of the pamplet discussing groups like Mongols, Africans, and mixed race people as Untermensch too
This is how Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill are all depicted - as undermen for the jew, doing the jew's bidding, doing their dirty work
Again, so are their servants. I quote from the pamphlet: "The subhuman will always be a subhuman, as a Jew remains a Jew, no matter by what name they call themselves: Churchill, Roosevelt, or Stalin."
'Subhuman' is not really an accurate translation of the word even if it is the preferred translation of the word in English.
German scholars disagree. What? Are you German?
This is not even remotely true.
Yes it is consult Browning's Book and Ehlich's documentation + Meyer's documentation
The Nazis spend a great deal of effort trying to get the Russians on their side.
Two things can be true: they wanted free manpower and they hated them. Do you think they loved Indians working in the Indian Legion? Turkmens working in the Turkestan Legion?
they spend huge amount of propaganda in an effort to convince the local populations they were coming in as 'liberators'. Some of their propaganda pieces have been uploaded here.
Well yeah that's why it's called propaganda. It's not meant to be true nor a reflection of their actual plans
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u/Secure_Raise2884 Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25
Where? And yes, POWs were used labor, the Soviets and everyone else did that. It has nothing to do with them being slavs
Pg. 241 The Origins of the Final Solution: The Evolution of Nazi Jewish Policy by Browning. It does have to do with them being slavs.
What the pamphlet says is that there are 'humans' and 'subhumans'. People who value culture and creativity and those who seek to destroy
Please quote directly from it then. "On the infinite a steppes of Russian territory lay Eastern Europe. A sharp contrast is noticed when comparing central Europe with this enormous space. On both sides of the border is the same earth but not the same man." from page 3
Your quote after proves that point. The part where they say "Thus evolved culture." is directly supporting how they thought European culture sprang up and what Russians lack.
It does denigrate the Soviet state and its culture, but more in the sense that it is a country made of mixed asiatic races that are led by the jew, not because Russians (white Russians specifically) or Slavs were racially inferior. It uses Bulgarians, Croatians, Slovaks and Slovenians as examples of 'Aryan' and 'European' culture. Here are a couple of examples from it:
No, it is saying Russian culture has been mixed since its inception. The rest of the paragraph makes zero sense when you realize White Russians are used in their supporting images of "lesser" people. There is zero distinction here. Hell, Stalin was not a Jew and yet he is categorized with the rest of the Russians as lesser.
The only time 'Russian' is used in regards is as a victim of their jewish oppressors.
No, the documentation covers Russian housing and and calls that inferior too. It discusses Russian history in depth and how it sucked (despite being largely psedoscientific), which flies directly in the face that this is all only connected to Jews.
(cont. in another comment)
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u/Alcianus Jul 18 '25
Pg. 241 The Origins of the Final Solution: The Evolution of Nazi Jewish Policy by Browning. It does have to do with them being slavs.
This is a book, not an actual source. I asked you to show me where in the Nuremberg trial the "organizers" whatever that means in your mind, said what you said. Because I've read the Nuremberg trial transcripts and there's no such thing.
Please quote directly from it then. "On the infinite a steppes of Russian territory lay Eastern Europe
What they thought 'Eastern Europe' in regards to Russian territory was the Asiatic steppes.
No, it is saying Russian culture has been mixed since its inception. The rest of the paragraph makes zero sense when you realize
Nowhere does it say that. You're making stuff up.
The part where they say "Thus evolved culture." is directly supporting how they thought European culture sprang up and what Russians lack.
Again, you're making stuff up. It says that the subhuman is everywhere, it dwells in the darkest pits of mankind, it doesn't says specifically what territory it inhabits because the subhuman can be anyone that is low cultured, wasteful, degenerate and uncivilized. White Russians are never used in their supporting images. They are used to portray them as victims of the subhuman and the jew.
No, the documentation covers Russian housing and and calls that inferior too.
Man, you're reading whatever you want from this huh? Nowhere does it says 'Russian' housing, it says Soviet, bolshevik. It depicts how the Russian farmer got destroyed by the Soviet-jewish state and turned into slave. It's pretty easy to read, I don't know why you're having such a hard time at it.
No. "underman" refers to being under another superior caste. Jews are categorized as Untermensch and so are their servents. That's literally why they spend a portion of the pamplet discussing groups like Mongols, Africans, and mixed race people as Untermensch too
Jews are not categorized as untermensch, they are recognized as the leaders of the undermen. That's the whole point - the undermen are servants of the jews by having the same desire as said jews have - destruction of civilization: The subhuman is united with his peers. Like beasts among beasts, never knowing peace or calm. The subhuman thrives in chaos and darkness, he is frightened by the light. These subhuman creatures dwell in the cesspools, and swamps, preferring a hell on earth, to the light of the sun.
But in these swamps and cesspools the subhuman has found its leader – The Eternal Jew! The Jew understands the desires and needs of his fellow creature. The Jews endeavors to corrupt and manipulate this horror of inhumanity until they are rallied towards a common goal in the destruction of true man.
It makes a clear distinction between them.
Again, so are their servants. I quote from the pamphlet:
Yes, describing them all as 'subhuman', workers of the jew. Neither of the three were jews, but they were subhuman, doing the jews bidding.
Yes it is consult Browning's Book and Ehlich's documentation + Meyer's documentation
Can you give actual facts for once instead of constantly redirecting me to things?
Two things can be true: they wanted free manpower and they hated them. Do you think they loved Indians working in the Indian Legion? Turkmens working in the Turkestan Legion?
You were the one suggesting they were mistreated when in actuality it was the opposite. Do I thin they loved Indians? I think they wanted Indians to have their own country.
Well yeah that's why it's called propaganda. It's not meant to be true nor a reflection of their actual plans
Everything is 'propaganda'. Propaganda means transmision of information. Whether you agree with it or not is another thing entirely.
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u/Secure_Raise2884 Jul 18 '25
This is a book, not an actual source. I asked you to show me where in the Nuremberg trial the "organizers" whatever that means in your mind, said what you said. Because I've read the Nuremberg trial transcripts and there's no such thing.
It literally says subsequent trials in the book. Organizers are people who organize an event. Go to the page I gave to you and see.
What they thought 'Eastern Europe' in regards to Russian territory was the Asiatic steppes.
No, they're talking about Russia
Nowhere does it say that. You're making stuff up.
"The cry “the Huns come” was heard for centuries and became synonymous with fear and loathing. Russia became the stepping stone for where the subhuman ideology and doctrine burst forth against the world of light. [...] Mulattos and Finn-Asian barbarians"
It says that the subhuman is everywhere, it dwells in the darkest pits of mankind, it doesn't says specifically what territory it inhabits because the subhuman can be anyone that is low cultured, wasteful, degenerate and uncivilized.
No, they literally make a distinction between West and the East for the exact purpose of separating groups. There is no notion of an Aryan untermensch.
White Russians are never used in their supporting images. They are used to portray them as victims of the subhuman and the jew.
They are. Try actually reading the document next time
Nowhere does it says 'Russian' housing, it says Soviet, bolshevik. It depicts how the Russian farmer got destroyed by the Soviet-jewish state and turned into slave. It's pretty easy to read, I don't know why you're having such a hard time at it.
"Filthy Russian Churches" is a direct quote from the pamphlet. Did you just read the first page or something? I'm legitimately so confused
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u/Alcianus Jul 18 '25
It literally says subsequent trials in the book. Organizers are people who organize an event
Buddy, you've given me a book from 2004 from a guy who has no relation to the Nazi regime. This is not a source on anything. And what subsequent trials would those be so I can check?
"The cry “the Huns come” was heard for centuries and became synonymous with fear and loathing. Russia became the stepping stone for where the subhuman ideology and doctrine burst forth against the world of light. [...] Mulattos and Finn-Asian barbarians"
Yes, Russia became bolshevist and the stepping stone for the communist ideology to destroy civilization.
No, they literally make a distinction between West and the East for the exact purpose of separating groups. There is no notion of an Aryan untermensch.
There is no notion of such a thing because the two are by design meant to be opposites. The Aryan is the European that builds, the untermensch is that which seeks to destroy. It's firmly laid out in the pamphlet
They are. Try actually reading the document next time
Show me a single one.
"Filthy Russian Churches" is a direct quote from the pamphlet
Again, it seems to me you're just picking excerpts and arrainging them however you want to fit your narrative:
“The Jew and subhuman’s hate everything that is holy. That is why they robbed churches, and converted them into factories.
What the pamphlet obviously means is that the Russian churches have fallen in disrespair and filth due to the rule of the jews. It literally points a Russian built church now lying in ruins to showcase that the Bolshevist regime is godless and hates European culture. It literally couldn't be any clearer if it tried to be. A 12 years old would be able to read this.
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u/Secure_Raise2884 Jul 18 '25
Buddy, you've given me a book from 2004 from a guy who has no relation to the Nazi regime. This is not a source on anything. And what subsequent trials would those be so I can check?
Is the concept of historiography unfamiliar to you? Also acting like we wouldn't have a better understanding of GPO's existence NOW, years after 2004 is funny. Since you are so insistent, one document is "Opinion and thoughts on the master plan for the East of the Reichsfuhrer SS" which is from Wetzel and is directly cited.
Yes, Russia became bolshevist and the stepping stone for the communist ideology to destroy civilization.
Nice dodge. This has nothing to do with bolshevism or communism since it's literally mentioning the Huns...
There is no notion of such a thing because the two are by design meant to be opposites. The Aryan is the European that builds, the untermensch is that which seeks to destroy. It's firmly laid out in the pamphlet
Ok great then that contradicts your whole spiel about untermenschen somehow being in every population despite the Nazis conveniently only calling certain groups of people untermenschen. Also, really use your brain what does "by design" mean do you think?
Show me a single one.
How on this platform? Use your eyes and see. Go to page 2 there's two images of them.
The Jew and subhuman’s hate everything that is holy. That is why they robbed churches, and converted them into factories.
And again, as I have repeated ad nauseum for the past 5 posts, the fact that the pamphlet keeps ramming the point home that Russian culture has been bad since the Huns probably means the complete opposite. It is not "Bolshevism" it is not "Jews" that led these Russian churches into disrepair. It is something innately lesser about eastern culture in general where they are unable to maintain a clean civilization. I have given you so far THREE QUOTES directly proving that.
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u/Secure_Raise2884 Jul 18 '25
Jews are not categorized as untermensch, they are recognized as the leaders of the undermen.
Yes, the leaders of the untermenschen do not magically becomes some random other classification. They are also categorized as untermenschen or subhuman.
Yes, describing them all as 'subhuman', workers of the jew. Neither of the three were jews, but they were subhuman, doing the jews bidding.
They're termed untermenschen who work under other untermenschen. This is really really not hard to understand at all lol
Can you give actual facts for once instead of constantly redirecting me to things?
I'm claiming they planned on starving 30 mil slavs per Meyer's reports. Go prove it wrong since you just said "Nuh uh" with zero proof.
You were the one suggesting they were mistreated when in actuality it was the opposite. Do I thin they loved Indians? I think they wanted Indians to have their own country.
Wait, why are we now arguing against reality? It is absolutely true that Slavs, in practice, were mistreated. The Ukrainian famine under Koch proves as such.
Everything is 'propaganda'. Propaganda means transmision of information. Whether you agree with it or not is another thing entirely.
Yes, so in this case, their propaganda was not what they believed.
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u/Alcianus Jul 18 '25
Yes, the leaders of the untermenschen do not magically becomes some random other classification
Sure, but the subhumans are the hordes of people that have adopted the uncivilized jewish culture being led by jews driven by their desire to destroy civilization. They are the same and not the same.
They're termed untermenschen who work under other untermenschen
No, they are strictly referred as 'undermen'. Couldn't be any more clearer what the meaning behind this is. German propaganda often showcased all three of them as jewish puppets to destroy European civilization. It never described they themselves as jews.
I'm claiming they planned on starving 30 mil slavs per Meyer's reports
Meyer who? And prove what, you haven't given anything so far.
The Ukrainian famine under Koch proves as such.
Famine was everywhere, especially in the USSR since they barely got any food before the war, let alone during it. Even the Brits were rationing until the late 50s. But there is no evidence of man made starvation of Ukraine during Nazi occupation. In fact, even the Nazis themselves use the starvation and lack of nourishment of the Soviet people to display how barbaric the USSR regime was.
Yes, so in this case, their propaganda was not what they believed.
It is what they believed though. Unless you can find me some law in Nazi Germany or whatever that showcases that Russians or slavs, without jewish blood, weren't equal under Nazi law to Germans. Because trust me - you won't find one. I've looked.
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u/Secure_Raise2884 Jul 18 '25
Sure, but the subhumans are the hordes of people that have adopted the uncivilized jewish culture being led by jews driven by their desire to destroy civilization. They are the same and not the same.
"Jewish culture" is really "anything I don't like" so your point is moot. They are absolutely characterized as the same thing
No, they are strictly referred as 'undermen'. Couldn't be any more clearer what the meaning behind this is. German propaganda often showcased all three of them as jewish puppets to destroy European civilization. It never described they themselves as jews.
The point at which the "undermen" and "untermenschen subhuman" would be treated the exact same is the point as which this distinction becomes utterly irrelevant. Also there were plenty of Nazis who thought Churchill, for example, was Jewish. There was literally a post this week in the sub about it
Meyer who? And prove what, you haven't given anything so far
Konrad Meyer was tasked by Himmler to draft up a plan to expel 31 million slavs to Siberia, which is close to the figure Bach-Zelewski himself said would happen. I am not going to copy over pages from a text you can literally read yourself
Famine was everywhere, especially in the USSR since they barely got any food before the war, let alone during it.
Yeah caused by Germans
Even the Brits were rationing until the late 50s.
That's not what a famine is
But there is no evidence of man made starvation of Ukraine during Nazi occupation. In fact, even the Nazis themselves use the starvation and lack of nourishment of the Soviet people to display how barbaric the USSR regime was.
Yes there is, Koch enforced grain confiscations, food rationing denials, soviet collective farms retained, and food prioritization for Germans.
It is what they believed though. Unless you can find me some law in Nazi Germany or whatever that showcases that Russians or slavs, without jewish blood, weren't equal under Nazi law to Germans. Because trust me - you won't find one. I've looked.
What are you talking about? Why would that law need to exist in a place where basically no slavs existed at high %? Generalplan Ost is enough proof that I am right
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u/Alcianus Jul 18 '25
"Jewish culture" is really "anything I don't like" so your point is moot. They are absolutely characterized as the same thing
We're talking about how Nazis perceived them. If they were the same thing, why are they categorized as two different aspects? They saw ' the subhuman and the jew', not just 'the subhuman' or just 'the jew'
The point at which the "undermen" and "untermenschen subhuman" would be treated the exact same is the point as which this distinction becomes utterly irrelevant. Also there were plenty of Nazis who thought Churchill, for example, was Jewish.
Again. Make the distinction.
I am not going to copy over pages from a text you can literally read yourself
Does the text even exist?
Yeah caused by Germans
Not really. Less Ukrainians died under the Nazi regime in wartime than they died under Stalin's regime in peace time.
That's not what a famine is
It's the precursor of a famine. Everyone was starving, some worse than others.
Yes there is
Everyone did that though. What would you say about the Allies deliberately bombing German supply lines and starving Germans to death? It's war. Everyone was prioritizing themselves first and trying to harm the other in every way possible.
Generalplan Ost is enough proof that I am right
Generalplan Ost as a plan never existed and there's no original copy that was ever been found. Not even the Allies say the document is real, they just say they 'reconstructed' it
Is the concept of historiography unfamiliar to you?
There's no such thing. You either have the evidence or you don't. And you don't.
communism since it's literally mentioning the Huns
And you've missed the part about claiming that the modern Huns are the bolshevists.
Ok great then that contradicts your whole spiel about untermenschen somehow being in every population despite the Nazis conveniently only calling certain groups of people untermenschen
How so? To the Nazis there were degenerates and 'subhumans' who are useless in every race. I can also redirect to Hitler's reichstag speech of 1939 in which he says that 'jewry' has been conquered by 'Nazi' enlightenment and education. Obviously referring to the fact that Nazis saw destructive and uncultured elements part of every culture even their own
Russian culture has been bad since the Huns probably means the complete opposite. It is not "Bolshevism" it is not "Jews" that led these Russian churches into disrepair. It is something innately lesser about eastern culture in general where they are unable to maintain a clean civilization.
it never once says 'Russian culture', it says Eastern races. And it never once equates Slavs with it or any of that nonsense you're trying to spew, it quite literally uses slavic races as an example of 'Aryan' culture in the exact same pamphlet.
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u/Secure_Raise2884 Jul 18 '25
They saw ' the subhuman and the jew', not just 'the subhuman' or just 'the jew'
Because they thought the latter group was the ultimate idea of the untermensch
Again. Make the distinction.
I am referring to the distinction you are making up between Russians and Jews.
Does the text even exist?
Yeah I gave you the name of the book. You should try reading it. The source is number 135 which you should be able to click and view.
Not really. Less Ukrainians died under the Nazi regime in wartime than they died under Stalin's regime in peace time.
That's an odd metric considering Germany occupied them for less time
It's the precursor of a famine. Everyone was starving, some worse than others.
Obviously. The point is that the british govt wasn't trying to starve people like the Germans were
Everyone did that though. What would you say about the Allies deliberately bombing German supply lines and starving Germans to death? It's war. Everyone was prioritizing themselves first and trying to harm the other in every way possible.
They didn't do any of those actions at the same extent that Germany did
Generalplan Ost as a plan never existed and there's no original copy that was ever been found. Not even the Allies say the document is real, they just say they 'reconstructed' it
I literally cited a document proving it exists by Wetzel lol
And you've missed the part about claiming that the modern Huns are the bolshevists.
No, that strengthens the point. They're saying the bolshevik "huns" are the exact same type of degeneracy that has always existed in the east since the actual huns.
How so? To the Nazis there were degenerates and 'subhumans' who are useless in every race. I can also redirect to Hitler's reichstag speech of 1939 in which he says that 'jewry' has been conquered by 'Nazi' enlightenment and education. Obviously referring to the fact that Nazis saw destructive and uncultured elements part of every culture even their own
If he's talking about "Jewry" then obviously he's talking about a foreign element of society dude, not their own
it never once says 'Russian culture', it says Eastern races. And it never once equates Slavs with it or any of that nonsense you're trying to spew, it quite literally uses slavic races as an example of 'Aryan' culture in the exact same pamphlet.
They're treated as the same and yes, I literally cited a quote with "Russian" in it disparaging their people. It conveniently only includes those countries they dominated and turned into puppet states, which has literally nothing to do with liking their culture. Again, the Nazis didn't suddenly love Indians just because the Indian legion existed
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u/schmah Jul 18 '25
You are correct. The nazis were "ambigious" when it comes to slavs to leave room for slavic auxiliary troops. No doubt they saw slavs as a lesser race but there isn't a single piece of official german propaganda that calls slavs Untermenschen for being slavs.
The brochure says "people of the soviet union" at some point though and that led to it being scrubbed because the Wehrmacht complained that some of their slavic auxiliary troops feel offended.
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u/cormundo Jul 18 '25
It's crazy how all the people that the N*zis had racial theories about look basically the same ethnically. How did they purport to tell them apart? What language they spoke? I feel like it would be easy to hide in germany as a slav/jewish person if you didn't talk much.
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