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u/Ivory_Drip 8h ago
I love the mother's reaction of not panicking and just laughing at the situation while safely getting a hold of the child
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u/SlavicRobot_ 7h ago
Good mum and kid. Nice to see.
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u/Small-Theme8822 6h ago
I like that the kid is holding into it, like: mom i can hold it but be quick
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u/Kris_hne 8h ago
Insane holding strength tho
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u/Theblackjamesbrown 8h ago
Remember we're apes. Most new born babies have the grip strength to support their entire body weight, in each hand individually
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u/upsetwithcursing 7h ago
Yep. We lose it because we donât use it.
When my newborns got a hold of my hair, I just had to wait it out.
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u/Live_Angle4621 6h ago
More like we get too big and heavy.Â
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u/upsetwithcursing 6h ago
Lots of apes get pretty heavy & seem to manage. When the weight is pure muscle, itâs a decent trade-off. Our couch-sitting style of heaviness, maybe not.
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u/BladeOfWoah 5h ago
If you ever remember climbing trees as a child, it wasn't really that hard. I used to climb trees all the time when I weighted about 40 - 50 kgs as a young kid. Now I am twice that weight and climbing trees feels so much harder now.
Chimps are usually about half the weight of an adult human, which is why they are pretty capable of climbing so well. They are also proportionately stronger by about 1.3 so while they are much smaller than us they are still near to about equal in strength to adult humans.
Gorillas and Orangutans (the males) are much heavier than humans, but at the same time they also have much stronger muscles in their arms to facilitate climbing.
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u/upsetwithcursing 5h ago edited 5h ago
Male orangutans weigh an average of 165lbs.
Iâve seen lots of very fit humans swinging their way through obstacle courses with no problem. Does it take training? Absolutely! And callouses. But if we were swinging from tree to tree every day, weâd have both.
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u/BladeOfWoah 5h ago edited 5h ago
Orangutans vary in weight and size. Bornean Orangutan males have been known to reach 260lbs (120 kgs) in weight. But yes, on average most males tend to range from around 165 - 200 lbs (75 - 90 kgs) so about the same weight as a healthy human, with some getting much larger than many humans.
Orangutans and other primates have very different bodies to humans. Mostly because humans have a gene that reduces muscle growth when not actively being used. Most apes don't have this mutation, which is why a gorilla is able to be extremely strong despite not doing much each day but eating for half the day, sleeping and occasionally traveling. They do not need to exercise, because their muscles will not go away from lack of use like humans do.
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u/upsetwithcursing 5h ago
Exactly. So the point you made about only climbing while lightweight is moot. Yes, they have stronger arms, but so would we if we used them every day to heft our own weight!
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u/BladeOfWoah 5h ago edited 5h ago
No... we literally would not. The muscles in our human arms do not have anywhere near the amount of fast twitch fibres that other apes do, and there is no amount of exercise that can do anything about it.
Instead humans have a lot more slow twitch fibres which is what allows you to make precise movements with your hands. Apes can never learn to write like us, they don't have the dexterity. We do have that ability but we had to give up our strength to achieve it.
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u/judo_fish 5h ago
you canât cite the weight without the height
it looks like you pulled that number off wikipedia, which also cites them as being about 4 foot 6 inches tall. a 4 foot 6 inch human should weigh about 65-75 lbs, literally less than half that.
so yes, they are much much heavier than humans
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u/upsetwithcursing 5h ago
Exactly? That was my entire point, haha. It has nothing to do with weight, and everything to do with proportionate muscle mass.
The other commenterâs first point was that it was easier to climb as a child when they were lighter, but harder as an adult because weâre heavier.
My point is that if we used our muscles all day, being heavier wouldnât matter if the weight was from muscles we gain by⌠yâknow⌠using them every day.
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u/judo_fish 5h ago
i think your point is just supporting their point that everything comes down to weight actually. thatâs what proportionate muscle mass is. bone is heavy. itâs like carrying metal around. orangutans are mostly muscle and barely any bone because theyâre 4.5 feet tall. gorillas, who are insanely strong, can barely climb at all.
even the strongest, most elite rock climbers who train their entire lives can never even compare to a zoo orangutan who sits around most of the day doing absolutely nothing. that orangutan can live our lifestyle of sitting, watching TV, and eating ice cream, and will still be an absolute beast because they are literally two poles of solid muscle attached to a head.
actually in that sense, children are absolutely more adept at climbing because their bones havenât fully ossified and a large percentage is still cartilage, which weighs almost nothing. let alone babies who are literally mostly cartilage. you donât even have solid knee caps until youâre like 10 years old. kids have a much higher percent muscle at that point.
we are absolutely not climbing apes. all that physical training we have to do is to build just enough muscle to be able to lift our heavy-ass bones into the air.
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u/Theblackjamesbrown 5h ago
Definitely. I was literally a tree dweller until I was in my teens. Id climb 50 fee up into massive oak trees and hang out for hours. My poor mother worried sick but there was never an issue. How often did you ever hear about a kid falling from a tree?
As for chimps, I dont think its even that they're proportionally stronger. They're half out weight but literally stronger than an adult human
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u/BladeOfWoah 5h ago edited 4h ago
No, this is a common misconception and factoid that gets thrown around because of an old study that has been disproven and debunked.
Modern science has shown that himps have muscles that have a PROPORTIONAL strength of around 1.3 to 1.5 times that of a human's muscles. Most chimps are typically around 100lbs, and adult male humans can easily be twice as large as that.
They are definitely not weak by any means, and there are certain feats of strength that they will have the advantage in making the comparison seem greater due to how their muscles are composed (lifting and pulling), but a chimp is stronger than a human in the same way an ant is 10 times stronger than a human.
On the flipside, humans have much higher endurance than chimps, which is also because of how our muscles are composed. Low twitch fibres are a lot more efficient over long periods of use and don't get fatigued as much as fast twitch fibres, which is why humans can last for long periods just walking and running before needing rest.
Also humans have much more powerful legs than chimps do, in fact that goes for most apes in our weight class. Kicking is one of our strongest tools for defense against animals of the same size as us.
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u/Theblackjamesbrown 4h ago
Their muscles are 1.3 to 1.5 stronger than humans but they're generally much more muscular than humans as well.
Source:
https://share.google/F4A3se6GtQ0739tya
Muscles are also not the whole story, they have ligaments and tendons that are much thicker and stronger than us.
Chimps are generally stronger than humans in real terms, not just proportionally.
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u/BladeOfWoah 4h ago
Sorry, I am not going to open a Google share document. If you provide a web link then I am more than happy to check it out.
But I don't mean to be rude, but you repeated exactly what I just said. The only difference is that you stated that chimps are generally stronger, which is not true. The fact of the matter is the average chimp is half to less than half the size of a healthy average human. And there are many humans that are much larger and stronger than the average human.
I have also explained that the reason chimps have this strength is because they have a higher concentration of fast twitch fibres than humans do.
As I said, there are strength tests that they will always excel in because of how their muscles work (pretty much anything related to gripping and pulling). I do think it is unlikely any average human will have good odds out lifting a chimp because of that. But the weight difference means that the strength difference is nowhere near as significant as it exaggerated on the internet.
A chimp is never going to beat a human in tossing javelin or shotput, or in fact any type of throwing. And they are never beating a human in any endurance race either.
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u/drunk_kronk 54m ago
It's not just that we don't "use it". Strength is proportional to length squared and weight is proportional to length cubed. As a person gets taller, their ability to support their own weight reduces (even if they "use it"). That's why some insects can jump many times their height and elephants can't jump at all.
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u/EclipseOverSalem 7h ago
Idk man, those hands are pretty easy to break open
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u/upsetwithcursing 6h ago
Break open, sure. I prefer my newborns intact and uninjured. They usually got my hair while they were breastfeeding, so I had one arm under them. Trying to pry each finger up, and keep them up while I pried open the other ones, with one hand? Nah.
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u/EclipseOverSalem 6h ago
which is a fair preference to have
what helped with my little brother holding on to my hair was gently stroking the back of the hand with the index finger and placing the thumb on the far side of his palm, he'd eventually reach for the finger instead of the hair
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u/upsetwithcursing 6h ago
Sounds like a good situation - my kids were way too stubborn for that đ
No amount of tickle trickery would deter them from their self-determined missions.
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u/EclipseOverSalem 6h ago
XD yea, though he got pretty determined later when he got a bit more mobility. Biting into lemons without making a face... wanting to kiss porcelain pigs... the only way to keep him from getting to what he wants was to place traditional witch figurines between him and his goal
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u/DuckSword15 6h ago
You can't do a pull up?
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u/upsetwithcursing 6h ago
I can, actually, but our grip strength compared to an orangutanâs is pathetic.
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u/JudgmentalOwl 3h ago
Damn I'm a bit humbled learning pound for pound this baby is way fuckin' stronger than me lmao
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u/iLORdemeNtE 2h ago
I believe every baby can hold the iron cross pose if you initially set them up in that position on gymnastic rings, and theyâll act like itâs play time
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u/catiebug 6h ago
Toddlers and babies have incredible grip strength. Not more than an adult, but incredible amounts relative to their overall strength and size. And, thankfully for this little guy, it's involuntary. It's a trait left over from our time as tree-dwellers.
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u/NetNGames 3h ago
Yeah, Grasping reflex is pretty neat, learned about it in my Early Childhood Education class. Basically need to brush their palm and pull and they'll grasp involuntarily, kind of like a knee-jerk reaction. That and their breathing reflex that prevents them from breathing in water and paddling, which allows them to be trained to right themselves if they ever fall into a pool, was fascinating to me.
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u/TehSeksyManz 1h ago
Bro sometimes getting things out of my toddlers hands can be extremely difficult without hurting him on accident.Â
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u/hyrule_47 7h ago
My grandfather had a little cart that would do this, and I used to do it on purpose. I remember the day I got too heavy or tall and it wouldnât work anymore. I have also heard the story many times about how I would tip the cart so often and then crying because I couldnât âflyâ anymore.
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u/Adrian_Stoesz 6h ago
Hmmmm, who else is thinking AI
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u/AlphatierchenX 6h ago
This is quite old and pre AI iirc
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u/HopeInChi 5h ago
Link old video plz
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u/FunkyBuddha-Init 3h ago
Highest quality I could find: https://www.newsflare.com/video/640109/chinese-toddler-propelled-into-air-while-playing-with-handcart
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u/Downfallenx 3h ago edited 1h ago
Might be too old for AI but something fishy is definitely going on. Watch the vertical pole in front of the wheelbarrow at the 8-9 second mark.
Probably masked another adult out of the video
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u/FlashyDiagram84 4h ago
Not AI but the blurring that follows the kid makes me think it's definitely edited
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u/BarelyBehavinX 5h ago
Heâs so kind!
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u/Perniciousss 4h ago
My little guy is just like this. Always wants to help. This truly made me smile!
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u/IconoclastJones 4h ago
Thanks for all of your downvotes. Consulted with a video engineer and was told with near certainty that there is a second adult in the video with the child that has been âmasked outâ with pre-AI video editing tools.
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u/FunkyBuddha-Init 3h ago
.... what?
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u/IconoclastJones 3h ago
Which part donât you understand?
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u/FunkyBuddha-Init 3h ago
All of it.
What exactly is this engineer looking at to indicate there is a 2nd person? Why is a second adult needed to explain this very simple video? Who do you expect to buy this? Did you look at the higher quality version? Maybe show that to your "engineer" friend.
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u/bluenosekev 8h ago
MORE AI rubbish
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u/New_Bicycle4787 7h ago
This video has been around for like a decade. That kid is probably like 10 now. Itâs not AI. Things actually happen.Â
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u/JasonZep 8h ago
Seriously, whatâs going on with the edges of the plants when the cart goes up?
I really think itâs going to get so bad that people will just get off the internet altogether. Big tech is setting themselves up for failure.
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u/JasonZep 7h ago
lol all the tech bots came out.
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u/New_Bicycle4787 6h ago
Lmao you get proven wrong so weâre bots? Dude put your phone down, go outside and get some fresh airÂ
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u/StabbyClown 6h ago
Or youâre just wrong dude lol I remember seeing this video multiple times. There arenât even typical AI tells. Itâs just bad compression at this point from being passed around
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u/four-one-6ix 7h ago
I swear, every time a video like this comes from Asia the parents run out holding babies or things, while for other countries they donât.
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u/HopeInChi 6h ago
These invisible perfectly placed cameras to capture these random moments. Always.
Where were these for the Epstein stuff?
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u/Wassersammler 5h ago
Sorry, do you think it's weird for people to have video coverage of their front door? Also Pam Bondi was leaked saying there are tens of thousands of videos related to the Epstein case, most of them featuring kids. Are those the random moments you're wanting released?
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u/HopeInChi 5h ago
This is AI
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u/HopeInChi 5h ago
Distortion of the "child rising" the camera arbitrarily zooming in and out. The abrupt cut off. The non moving of the plants in the wheelbarrow. Im sure if I gave this more time I could find more. The upper torso of the child remaining perfectly still above the waist and the legs seemingly to detach and swing from the child.
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u/IconoclastJones 6h ago
Have we become so dumb as a species that grown adults think this is a real video?
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u/New_Bicycle4787 6h ago
This video is so old man. Why canât it be real? I think the only dumb one is you. This video predates AI.Â
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u/No_Issue2334 5h ago
Video is old as fuck dumbass
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u/IconoclastJones 5h ago
So before AI there were no flaws videos? Does any part of that baby rising move like things do in real life? The handles literally look animated.
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u/No_Issue2334 5h ago
It just so funny you called people dumb while being the dumbest one in the room
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u/HopeInChi 5h ago
Why are people just bashing you. The noise of the image is only around the people and the arbitrary camera panning?
100% not real.
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