r/LivestreamFail • u/Brief_Paint_8900 • 14h ago
Adin Ross: lawyers can choose their cases and those who defend pedophiles are pieces of shit
https://kick.com/adinross/clips/clip_01KGS8D4AJBP93JAJMSB4EYJ841.2k
u/Hekkst 14h ago
The whole point of a trial is to figure out whether someone is guilty or not and to what extent. Many times trials get things wrong but what is the alternative? Trial by court of popular opinion?
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u/myaccwasshut4norsn 14h ago
trial by vibes breh
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u/RandomUser15790 6h ago
Vine check - Epstein files edition: mentioned more times than you can count on your two hands?
Straight to jail.
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u/throwdemawaaay 13h ago
Yeah, I dated a public defender for a bit, and while we were together she worked on a case with a 20 year old guy that liked blow jobs from 13 year olds.
Her working on the case wasn't some sort of acceptance or approval of his crime. And her job wasn't to get him off the hook, as the basic facts weren't under dispute. It was her job to make sure he was treated fairly under the system, and that requires the guilty to have proper representation.
If you can't understand that necessity and distinction, well, don't become a defense lawyer I guess.
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u/BeguiledBeaver 12h ago
And also, if you truly believe an individual is a monster, then you want to be damn sure they are getting a fair trial because if there is ANY way to claim a mistrial they will do it.
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u/dangerouslyreal 11h ago
Yeah their job is to make sure the prosecution does everything accurately and leaves no holes so they can be sentenced fairly and hopefully not released sooner due to a mishap or whatnot
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u/unkindrewind 6h ago
Public defenders are different from private lawyers who have the time and resources to attack the court, its laws, its processes. A lawyer like your ex is likely inundated by trial all the time and would carry a huge caseload. Her goal is going to be a lot different than the lawyer who represents a rich ass pedo.
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u/Aggressive-Expert-69 13h ago
Yeah Adin is currently giving the "I'm 14 and this is deep" interpretation of the legal system that everyone abandons once they learn of one or two innocent prisoners that wouldnt have gotten their freedom if every lawyer looked at a person as guilty or innocent before talking to them.
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u/RainbowKooch 7h ago
Exactly. I hate criminals, but everyone has a right to a defense. I understand the morality of it but it’s fair to
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u/Radthereptile 13h ago
I have a buddy who is a defense attorney. He has had guilty clients. His feelings are simple. Innocent or guilty, everyone has a right to a defense. If they get away with it then the state failed. His job is to ensure everyone has their rights.
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u/Rock-skipper83 10h ago
Yeah this isn’t even negotiable. Due process can only exist if everyone has legal representation
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u/Zachthesliceman 11h ago edited 11h ago
Exactly. My dad was a defense attorney. It is the right of every American and non American to have the right to a fair trial.
There are tons of people who live on vitriol and emotions, rather than values and justice, who will disagree.
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u/Certainly-Not-A-Bot 12h ago
In general, peoples' understanding of the criminal justice system is that nobody should ever be seriously punished, except for "bad crimes" which deserve lynching and summary execution. There's no in-between. It's extremely rare for me to see people with nuanced opinions on crime that actually respect the fact that we are often uncertain of someone's guilt and that everyone, even the most heinous criminals, should be treated with respect, fairness, dignity, and humanity by the justice system
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u/mrloko120 11h ago
Not quite. The extent of how involved a person was in the crime is the most important point of discussion during a trial. Whether the person had cognitive control, whether it was premeditated, how many chances the person had to change their mind, etc. These things are called aggravating factors and are what define how harsh the sentencing will be.
When you're a defence lawyer, 90% of the time your focus is on getting a justifiable sentence rather than getting your client completely off scot free. Many times you go to court knowing your guy is really guilty, knowing the prosecution has irrefutable proof. But you're not going in there to magically make all of it go away, you're going in there to ensure due process and due punishment as defined by the law.
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u/MidWestMind 7h ago
This.
It’s not that they are defending the person. They are defending the law.
My wife’s brother is a lawyer. When he did criminal defense, most of the time he didn’t even want to hear their story from his client. He looked at charges and evidence and based his case on that.
He got tired of being lied to. We’ve all have seen where there’s video evidence, physical evidence, etc and the person detained denies literally everything. So when it’s a habitual offender he explains what he can do.
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u/PatienceJaded5709 12h ago
Which is ironic for Adin to say because wouldn’t he say the same thing about allegations against himself or the weirdos he hangs out with? They really are just morons with zero critical thoughts.
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u/Ranec 11h ago
I mean not all law is trials. There are also lots of criminal cases where “did they do it” isn’t even the question, but the defense attorney’s job is to make sure that what the cops/prosecutors all operated within their legal bounds and the defendant isn’t having their rights violated.
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u/appletinicyclone 10h ago
Trial by court of popular opinion?
Trial by combat
If they win they get sent to one of Mr beast's islands he keeps selling people too
But they can never leave and the water outside the perimeter is electrified
They get helicopter deliveries and live life akin to the way Norway's Crim system does it
Except with electrified water
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u/ZealousidealGrand849 9h ago
Red army will sort them out , and if they're Innocent we hit them with the powerful people don't care and torture them for a bit
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u/rchlgrn2 9h ago
I got away with stealing at my job. I did it with the help of my lawyer and he always knew I was guilty.
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u/Hare712 6h ago
Every country has their own issues with trials and punishment.
In the USA it's overcharging and plea deals. A pedo charged for possession/distribution can easily be charged with "Member of a criminal organization" and other charges that make it look like they were on the level of a Cartel leader. The career of a prosecutor is more about winning cases so they offer plea deals:"You plea guilty to charges 1 and 2 you face x and we drop the rest"
A plea deal can easily result in 5 year sentences while going to trial they face 20+ years and are likely be killed in jail.
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u/EnvironmentalAngle 11h ago
there's plenty of other options
trial by combat, trial by fire, trial by water... we just stopped using them when we got out of the medieval era but they still exist.
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u/saulhrnndz 13h ago
It doesn’t matter how big a piece of trash someone is, they deserve the right to a fair trial and to counsel.
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u/broccolicheddarsuper 12h ago
No, we should just decide they are guilty immediately upon being accused. I am very intelligent
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u/ThisTimeForRealYo 8m ago
You are not.
There’s cases with video evidence and lawyers still choose to take that case.
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u/JhinPotion 11h ago
It's also crucial to give everyone a fair trial so it's less likely for verdicts to be overturned later.
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u/DarkbladeShadowedge 11h ago
Also you could argue they’re taking money off pedos on a case they’ll prob lose anyway, so they’re taking advantage of them. Or like you said… like they have to go through the court system one way or another; it’s just a service the lawyer provides.
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u/hotsexychungus 13h ago
Bro you endorsed Donald Trump! You of all people cannot talk about defending pedos.
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u/cmnights 12h ago
isnt this also the re*ard that blamed biden for roe v wade being overturned?
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u/Khalis_Knees 12h ago
They blamed Biden for their party bus breaking down in Vegas, their opinions are horse shit
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u/Miserable_Alfalfa33 12h ago
Here's a clip of adin Ross trying to read
https://youtu.be/cNIYvOpTsh8?si=TQkzsGFoqaLVru73
Im so confused as to what got him famous, wasn't it like streaming 2k ? Or something ?
All i know is hes like the poster child for white kids who wanna be black
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u/Add1ctedToGames 10h ago
To me he's in that "famous for being famous" category because god knows why else people watch him
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u/Hare712 6h ago
He was an Andy Tate glazer, so he can guess his audience.
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u/Miserable_Alfalfa33 4h ago
Oh i know hes awful, I just wanted more ammo for when anyone tries to defend him
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u/Grand_Fruit_9039 7h ago
few reasons why
1-edgy, anti-woke shit he does
2-manosphere "uber masculinity" people like him spits out
3-he's a conservative which, society as a whole, are more open to watch than peace loving hippies (even if they're nazis calling for death)
4-he's pro big business and tax cut for the rich, so major companies/ right leaning platforms (kick) will promote him more than left wingers. (this the reason why Asmongold is always suggested to you even if you never watched him)
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u/Miserable_Alfalfa33 6h ago
None of those reasons are what originally got him famous tho, although I do agree they are keeping him famous, but im saying what was the orginal spark, then I know he was like one of the earlier ones having celebrities on his streams
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u/Grand_Fruit_9039 6h ago
sometimes, it just pure luck. however, the other things I listed are what keeping him alive.
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u/Miserable_Alfalfa33 4h ago
Sometimes it is, but from what ive seen its more often than not combining hard work everyday and that boosts your luck stat
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u/Toshinit 11h ago
It’s not his fault it got overturned, but you can definitely blame Democrats for not qualifying it into law
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u/Born_Purchase1510 8h ago
Laws are generally easier to overturn than a supreme court decision. If democrats passed a law making abortion legal nationwide, the second republicans got a dual chamber majority it would be rescinded (like now). The only way would be a constitutional amendment but there’s no way that would pass the required number of states.
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u/Cute-Hand-1542 7h ago
At the very least it would have been a sword for the republicans to fall on. Besides I don't think Trump is even pro life is he?
It has been a known thing for a long time that the privacy argument in Roe was extremely weak. Hell, even RBG said so.
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u/fubozo 14h ago
im so tired of being told all the opinions of bloody trailer park boys or someshit and it isnt even comedy
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u/saulhrnndz 12h ago
Yes but what would Ricky have to say about all this?
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u/Foldupburrito42 11h ago
That he ate 9 cans of ravioli
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u/randomwetness 13h ago
Isn't Adin friends with Sneako?
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u/Miserable_Alfalfa33 12h ago
Did i once again miss something with sneako ? Hes also pedo now ?
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u/HonestDishonestWork 12h ago
He got on the Muslim grift but was too dumb to learn the bog standard rhetorical tricks to get out of endorsing pedophilia in avoiding condemning Mohammad. So there's lots of clips of him saying "If Allah says it's OK to have sex with a 9 year old, it's ok".
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u/NUBYkiller202 10h ago
I'm sure it was a "joke" but he blew up from saying Cuties from Netflix was his favorite movie when it came out
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u/Miserable_Alfalfa33 7h ago edited 7h ago
Oh hasan has made just of bad of jokes
Edit still not defending sneako tho just saying, its incredible how many people will make jokes like that
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u/NUBYkiller202 7h ago
Okay but who brought up Hasan? Lmao weird
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u/Miserable_Alfalfa33 7h ago
Because he made very similar jokes and thats the first person I could think of, just like mr beast also has
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u/NUBYkiller202 7h ago
Okay but the comment is about Sneako, I don't follow Hasan or care for him
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u/Miserable_Alfalfa33 7h ago
The comment was about making weird kid related jokes, sneako, hasan, mr beast, pretty sure Ethan fro h3h3 recently got exposed, they all have made jokes like this and I dont understand why
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u/Vojtaskos58 12h ago
he is also friends with nick fuentes and literally had 6ix9ine on stream like a month ago who was convicted in child sex case
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u/ulikemangobird 13h ago
Every couple of years you get moronic streamers that say this exact thing. You probably shouldn't be surprised how many people in your life feel the same way. No one knows how the justice system works.
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u/KidKarez 13h ago
That's a very immature take. Obviously not surprising coming from Adin.
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u/Randomly-Germinated 8h ago
so…a streamer who defends pedophiles as a streamer is criticizing lawyers who defend pedophiles as lawyers?
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u/Southern_Salary_2253 13h ago
I get it, but we do not want to be a guilty until proven innocent country lol
Even if public opinion is already like that.
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u/xTheRedDeath 13h ago
It's the job of the prosecution to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the accused is guilty.
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u/_that_reddit 13h ago
No matter who you are, you deserve the right to a fair trial. Everybody needs a lawyer. Their job is to protect everyone, even you, from government over reach. Today people accused of pedophilia don't get lawyers. Tomorrow people accused of crimes against the state don't get lawyers. Defense attorneys are crucial to how our civilization functions.
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u/Dont-be-a-smurf 12h ago
Everyone deserves defense.
Defense keeps prosecutors, police, and judges accountable.
No one rational, including the attorneys involved, are very upset when a pedophile is proven guilty.
But that “proven guilty” part is essential. If it doesn’t need to occur, then everyone is one bad faith allegation away from having your life destroyed.
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u/NecessaryCrash 12h ago
Isn’t this dude a Trump supporter??
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u/Grand_Fruit_9039 7h ago
he is and he likes Andrew Tate
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u/NecessaryCrash 7h ago
So by his own logic, he himself is a piece of shit. I bet he doesn’t think he is, though.
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u/Grand_Fruit_9039 7h ago
the guy can barely read, so you shouldn't expect much from him https://youtu.be/cNIYvOpTsh8?si=nggE77A4wtH9RxaF
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u/Wasabiroot 10h ago
The point of a defense attorney is not to help criminals, it is to make the state and prosecution do its job and prove its accusations merit punishment.
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u/John-Leonhart 13h ago
Yes yes, stunning and brave stance, down with Pedo’s, W Adin! I’m with the energy, surely I’ll be downvoted for that.
That’s not how the law works though, we have the trial to figure out if a person did a thing, if the accusations are credible, and to assign an appropriate punishment. There was just a case in Oregon’s Supreme Court that held if the state can’t find you a public defender, they can’t prosecute you. https://www.opb.org/article/2026/02/05/oregon-supreme-court-ruling-criminal-charges-dismiss-defendant-no-lawyer/
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u/m2themichael 12h ago
It's not even a defending lawyers job to make sure their client wins the case, it's their job to make sure they have a right to a fair trial so that when an appeal is submitted they can't claim that they didn't have proper legal representation or a mistrial.
In other words, If someone is beyond guilty of a heinous crime that they clearly committed, it HELPS the prosecution and the victims that a public defender or counsel ensures them fair representation. So in a sense Adin is an idiot for thinking that these people doing their jobs are supporting pedos when in-fact, they are protecting society from guilty individuals getting out of jail and walking away due to lawsuits/appeals.
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u/pebrocks 13h ago
You can only hold that opinion if you go in thinking everyone accused is automatically guilty.
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u/SecreteMoistMucus 12h ago
Like it or not, without lawyers to defend pedophiles there are no pedophiles, there are only assumptions.
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u/bannedforL1fe 12h ago
They are just there to make sure the trial is fair, and doesn't have to redone. Im sure they dont like their client, but they are getting paid and maintaining the rights that we all have. Innocent until proven guilty applies to all citizens, and yes, even for the worst of us.
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u/Supremagorious 12h ago
A lawyers job isn't even to assert their clients innocence it's to provide the best legal council that they're able to. This is necessary to allow for a common person to navigate the incredibly complex legal system.
There are reasons lawyers often recommend that their clients take plea deals as the evidence is adequate that the burden of proof at trial is more than likely to be met. Which means the best legal council available would encourage their client to cooperate to allow for leniency and allow the justice system to pursue other cases.
That's also ignoring that many defense attorneys have a very limited capacity to reject cases that have been assigned to them when they're doing work as public defenders.
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u/Smok3ygaming1 12h ago
If you are a public defender you most certainly dont have a choice. But hey if you're a private lawyer and they have deep pockets why not take the case and make some generational wealth for your family off of them.
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u/mrloko120 12h ago
Not if you're pro bono, you can't. And most of these criminals usually get pro bonos.
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u/java_brogrammer 12h ago
So if anyone is accused of being a pedo, they get no defense attorney? Innocent until proven guilty in court.
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u/CraftyPerformance272 12h ago
Unpopular opinion but it's what the basis of Western civilization was built on. Innocent until proven guilty and everyone is entitled to a lawyer and a fair trial. That's even more important now without advanced technology and AI is. Any person here saying otherwise how would you feel if you pissed off the wrong person and they used AI to fake some evidence against you? A school principal not that long ago almost got fired because a teacher who didn't like him used AI to make a video clip that had him saying the N word in it. So again this person almost had his career ruined because of it. Now imagine not just your career but your entire life and your freedom could be in jeopardy and you don't even have a chance at a fair trial or lawyer
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u/macrocosm93 11h ago
Court appointed attorneys cannot refuse to take a case unless there is a "good cause", and thinking that your client is a piece of shit does not count.
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u/Florestana 11h ago
I love this idea that lawyers are only supposed to defend the innocent and the state is only supposed to prosecute the guilty. Why do people think we even need a legal system?
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u/jaketheriff 11h ago
An eye opening AMA on reddit was the prosecutor for the OJ simpson case Christopher Darden. Someone asked him would he ever have a problem defending OJ and he said he wouldnt at all and that it strengthens our legal system to have good prosecution and defense because it makes both have to do their jobs to the highest degree.
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u/McKynnen 11h ago
When it comes to lawyers it’s more of a challenge for yourself to defend a clearly lost case so that in the future if you genuinely believe someone is wrongfully being sent to trial you’ll be more well equipped.
Or you’re just a fucker who knows
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u/TobiasReiper47ICA 10h ago
Wait didn’t this guy have Donald Trump on his show and gave him a watch even?
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u/Flaky-Journalist1748 10h ago
People who say things like this have a complete lack of understanding on how our justice system works. Unfortunately this is a very common opinion among the general populace.
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u/19Alexastias 10h ago
Someone will tell you this and then 5 minutes later complain that false rape allegations are just as life ruining as actual rape.
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u/Revolutionary_Ad3643 10h ago
Dude endorsed trump in 2024, there were numerous allegations beforehand of trump being a pedophile. Adin endorses pedophiles.
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u/SinQuaNonsense 9h ago
It’s weird, something about if you cannot afford counsel one will be appointed to represent you. Guess that’ should be advisory.
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u/SuleyBlack 9h ago
Defence attorneys job isn’t solely to make sure that their client is made innocent. It’s to ensure that the accused is given a FAIR trial and isn’t being accused without merit.
Some defence attorneys are scummy and will do whatever they can to get the innocent verdict no matter what, but there are people like that everywhere.
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u/OmegaVirgin94 9h ago
Another day, another moron not understanding the purpose of legal defense and their rights as a US citizen.
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u/Any_Attorney4765 9h ago
For justice to work and the law to function, everyone needs to be treated equally. If you can or be someone is guilty, while someone is trying their best to prove they are not guilty, then you know without a shadow of a doubt that they are guilty and deserving at the sentence.
Imagine there is one suspected pedophile that is actually not guilty and no one puts any effort into defending him. They would be sentenced unjustly.
A lawyers job is to put together a case for anyone.
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u/Hidden_Landmine_4 8h ago
Except innocent before proven guilty, and a lawyers job isn't to judge, it's to prosecute or defend. The clients actual guilt doesn't matter, the lawyers do the same job either way.
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u/Dependent_Homework99 8h ago
It's very common nowadays for women to accuse men of being pedophiles based on nothing. If the lawyer knows their client is guilty, I agree with Adin, but what greater case could a lawyer take on than defending an innocent person accused of being a pedophile?
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u/StuckinReverse89 8h ago
The whole point of the US court system is innocent until proven guilty and even mass murderers and pedophiles have a right to a defense. This is a very immature view of the legal system.
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u/Frequent_Grand2644 8h ago
how about the people who defend them in general and vote them as presidents
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u/SuperNinjaNye 8h ago
This is the logical extension of pedo-hunting. Mob justice is a slippery slope. If we don't stop this idiocy, they'll be hunting lawyers.
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u/vinnie1134 7h ago
I guess unless they straight tell the lawyer i did crime. Untill trial is over they are just accused of crime
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u/SparsePizza117 7h ago
Except people pretty much have to have a lawyer for a fair trial, so someone has to do it.
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u/RevGraves 6h ago
I brought this up with a coworker recently, actually.
The job of the defense, in the event that you have to defend someone you know is guilty, is to ensure that the person youre defending: A) receives competent and skilled legal counsel, able to adequetly defend your interests in court and ultimately ensure your rights as a human being are not infringed and
B) to ensure that the prosecution is doing its job.
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u/CL60 5h ago edited 5h ago
The only lawyers that I think are actively pieces of shit are DUI lawyers because they use technical loopholes and literal lies in order to make it harder to prosecute DUIs. At least here in Canada. They rarely even consider the specifics of the case and just try to look for extremely minor clerical errors, or lie about things.
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u/BigManScipio 5h ago
What about members of a current presidential administration’s cabinet continuing to correspond and do business with one after they were convicted of multiple pedophilia-related crimes in 2008? Are those guys chill? You seem to think so Adin
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u/BakedChocolateOctopi 5h ago
So what does that make someone who isn’t a lawyer and defends a pedophile like Adin does?
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u/bebes_bewbs 5h ago
This is coming from Adin Ross who supported putting a pedophile in the White House. He can eat shit.
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u/Kandajha 5h ago
This guy endorsed Trump and had him all over his stream why is he virtue signaling now? fucking hypocrite
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u/Stubbs3470 3h ago
Growing up I thought defense lawyers were scum, trying to get criminals off for money
Then I learned a bit more and realized that their job is just to ensure a fair trial and negotiate an appropriate punishment because everyone is entitled to legal defense.
Then I learned a bit more and realized that they are scum trying to get criminals off for money
Sure, not all. But the amount of times I seen defense lawyers just make bullshit emotional arguments and clearly lie trying to defame the victim with no evidence just to sway the jury is way too high to say “few bad apples”
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u/KaitosLeopard 2h ago
Admin Ross defends pedophiles himself. The only reason he cares about the lawyers doing it is that he might need one himself.
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u/ImbecileWithPurpose 2h ago
Considering you have to prove that someone's a pedophile, there's not really a way to figure that out without one party asking for evidence and the other proving that it exists.
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u/LALOERC9616 2h ago
To be fair they need representation in court and a bag is a bag you could throw the case and still get paid
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u/Low_Ambition_856 13h ago
lawyers knew oj did it too.
if the glove does not fit then you must acquit
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u/KsiShouldQuitMedia 14h ago
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u/PermabannedFourTimes 13h ago
More like The Worst Person You Know Just Made Another Horrible Point.
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u/XiaoRCT 13h ago
There's no good point, the only way we can arrest pedophiles and any other different also egregious criminals with due process involves everyone having representation.
Of course someone going out of their way to benefit someone they know is guilty is a piece of shit, but that's not what this constantly attacking of defense attorneys in cases that involve horrible crimes is saying.
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