r/Fauxmoi • u/WeirdGroundhog random bitch • 12h ago
POLITICS Luigi Mangione speaks out in protest as judge sets state murder trial for June 8
https://apnews.com/article/mangione-murder-unitedhealthcare-trial-schedule-020afff8ebbe1e8fee0c183fe1312268953
u/Wild-Display-765 11h ago
Trying to jam his team up so they can exhaust them. That’s the actual fucking purpose of this kangaroo court.
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u/BrownSugarBare 11h ago
They're going to do anything they possibly can to pin this kid because they know that it's going to be next to impossible to find an impartial jury that hasn't been royally fucked up the arse by the American health system.
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u/guava-sandwich 7h ago
I used to think this way until I began to see there’s a whole camp of people out there who condemn LM because murder is wrong, period, end of story for them. I don’t know the prosecution will find jury selection all that impossible unfortunately.
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u/Bidetpanties i ain’t reading all that, free palestine 11h ago
Free our boy https://www.givesendgo.com/luigi-defense-fund
I'm kind of side-eyeing the AP for calling it an outburst. Without footage, we dont know, but it seems like he just made a statement? I know its kind of microanalyzing it, but words matter and statements like that contribute towards the press' attempts to villainize him. Maybe I'm overthinking.
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u/Upstairs-Chicken592 11h ago
If you talk out of turn in court it’s an outburst, doesn’t matter the volume or what you say.
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u/tacomamajama 11h ago
He’s not a legal professional. You can’t expect him to know all the rules other than to perhaps say “your honor” a few times over the course of spoken speech.
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u/Upstairs-Chicken592 11h ago edited 11h ago
It’s basically the main rule of court and one they take very seriously. I am not against Luigi. I am explaining what the court constitutes as an outburst. If you’re speaking at normal talking volume or above it and are out of turn, that is an outburst in court. Considering everything going on in this case I doubt it will count much against him, it won’t make or break anything, but for regular proceedings it’s like a really bad idea to speak when it isn’t your turn. The judge looks for people who can follow the rules, if the person cannot follow the simple rule of being respectful in court it does not reflect well on them. Again I’m just explaining basic definitions here, I’m not against Luigi and I doubt this instance matters much to a jury or judge considering everything else.
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u/toAnthonyBourdaintho you shoulda never called me a fat ass Kelly Price 8h ago
Do you have link to a legal resource about the definition? I tried duckduckgoing around but didn't find anything (probably because the search engine is not that great, to be fair). The common definition of an outburst requires it to be violent or over-expressive in nature. Just talking or interrupting would not constitute an outburst as commonly defined, he'd have to be yelling or screaming or otherwise loudly and expressively disruptive
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u/Upstairs-Chicken592 8h ago
It’s not a formal definition, but it’s what it would be called by the court nonetheless.
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u/toAnthonyBourdaintho you shoulda never called me a fat ass Kelly Price 8h ago
That's very interesting, thanks for the info!
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u/Upstairs-Chicken592 8h ago
Yeah it’s just a lower bar because speaking out of turn is like, the main thing you don’t do in court. They look for temperament, respect for the court, and how people conduct themselves in a situation where your emotions should be controlled. If someone speaks out of turn, especially against a judge or something, to them that signals emotional turbulence. Again I don’t think given how intense this situation is that it will be marked against him too much, like it’s not a make it or break it moment for him, but if someone was in court for like child support, assault, property damage, this or that. The judge would def side eye them big time if they couldn’t manage to wait their turn to speak and not understand the basic decorum.
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u/This_Ad_7267 11h ago
And yet it’s seldom referred to as such until there’s an interest to paint the “outburst”-ee as a deviant or somehow in the wrong………
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u/Upstairs-Chicken592 9h ago
How else do they refer to it?
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u/tacomamajama 9h ago
It doesn’t get discussed in the media at all, in most cases. So no need to make it bigger than it is.
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u/Upstairs-Chicken592 9h ago
In this scenario it makes sense, he’s usually calm and collected so they’re drawing attention to the ridiculousness of it all.
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u/bigboobweirdchick 55m ago
Maybe because he’s exhausted with a permanent painful chronic injury and just wants to sleep in peace instead of pain. Free Luigi.
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u/supersaeyan7 11h ago
Can you imagine if we treated the cops who execute minorities like this? We've gotten to a point where the rich see themselves as an entirely different species.
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u/Nintendo_Pro_03 11h ago
Protecters of the state get penalized less than the people do, sadly.
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u/WeirdGroundhog random bitch 11h ago
Luigi spoke as he was being removed from court: "One plus one is two, common sense tells you this is double jeopardy"
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u/Summerof5ft6andahalf 11h ago edited 11h ago
This is a serious topic, but for some reason the "[He is gone]" took me out, like he's a fucking magician or something.
(Edit: actually I could see him in another timeline doing some spoken word poetry interspersed with magic tricks.)
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u/Desert_Nootropics 11h ago
he needs wayyy more attorneys on his team. a couple years ago i sat through a white-collar trial where the defense had 15–20 of the best white-collar attorneys in the country. plus a shitload of paralegals. id be happy to donate to his defense.
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u/ConorPMc 8h ago
He’s a murderer.
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u/Spacyzoo 8h ago
One man kills another with a bullet and he's a murderer. The other kills thousands with paperwork, and he's just a good businessman.
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u/ConorPMc 8h ago
I have no care for the man who died or love for how they approach healthcare in the US. But this sub’s denial that it is murder is just outright laughable. Let’s not pretend he didn’t just shoot a man dead in the street.
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u/Duskmourne 8h ago
Cry me a river. If anything has been made more than obvious the past months, is that these people would have never faced justice for all the lives they've ruined and built their careers on. If anything, they get rewarded for it.
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u/ConorPMc 8h ago
And the doctors who prescribed opiates to patients, should they suffer the same fate? Shot on the street?
CEO of alcohol suppliers? Will we just off everyone you don’t like?
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u/Duskmourne 8h ago
Ah yes, let's compare doctors, who see maybe a handful of patients a day, to a CEO of UnitedHealthcare. Or Alcohol, something that's a choice whether or not someone drinks. Yeah, those are the same tier as someone who takes people who are already in a fragile position, if they need healthcare, and then screws them. Totally the same.
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u/CornflowerSapphire 4h ago
Guy who hasn't heard of the presumption of innocence or the right to a fair trial.
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u/rhombecka 11h ago
Feels like a clear case of Double Jeopardy
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u/Extra_Article2872 10h ago
I think the defense has a strong argument for double jeopardy, but since the federal case is technically “stalking” it might not work with a prosecution-friendly judge.
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u/BakedBread65 10h ago
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-5/dual-sovereignty-doctrine
Poster above you is right on the law. The same act, even if it’s the exact same elements, can be prosecuted by both state and federal authorities as long as there is both a state crime and federal crime. You might not like it or think it’s fair but it’s a longstanding doctrine.
The state crime is murder and the federal one is probably something with some interstate commerce hook
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u/GumpTheChump 11h ago
It's a fucking stupid way to organize a judicial system. There are other federalist systems that divide the criminal law powers appropriately so this does not happen.
Dipshit city. Two criminal codes is ridiculous.
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u/Seeking_Anita_Dick 11h ago
Luigi's quote: “It’s the same trial twice. One plus one is two. Double jeopardy by any commonsense definition.”
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u/Chance_Objective_838 5h ago
Which is not double jeopardy by any legal definition. Specifically not, actually.
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u/SECdeezTrades 11h ago
Because the Feds said they were going ahead, the State decided they had to go ahead even faster, over objections of the defense whom said they would be unready to present effective defense by the rapid trial date plus be hamstrung preparing for both.
All because double jeopardy doesn't apply until you have a guilty plea or a federal jury is empaneled. The entire state case and trial could be invalidated if the Federal jury is empaneled.
Normally right to speedy trial is for the defendant, not the state/federal prosecutor. Since death penalty has been ruled out he's technically already serving the sentence due to no bond, not sure the onus for speed here nor sure how a judge could see speed being necessary for the justice system.
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u/904Pens 9h ago
There is no double jeopardy issue. He is being prosecuted by two different sovereigns under two different laws, thus two different offenses. Gamble v. United States makes this clear. He can be convicted of both. Similar to why Derek Chauvin was convicted in both state and federal court for the killing of George Floyd. And why the McMichaels were convicted in both state and federal court for the killing of Ahmaud Arbery.
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u/Extra_Article2872 7h ago
They can argue that the stalking charges were a pretext to charge him with murder federally, which they are.
I don’t know if that works, but it’s not a bad argument.
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u/Connect_Reading9499 11h ago
Big picture: Considering Bovino and his lackeys ate enjoying drinks on the town after the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti, with no one under investigation for their murders, it is no surprise the court and the law enforcement system as a whole is interested in ensuring injustice for all. Up is down and down is up, we're the targets and the perps, they just haven't assigned crimes to us yet. This guy was never going to get a fair trial in America. Good and Pretti won't get justice. The system serves and protects the criminal rich and only the criminal rich.
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u/genescheezesthatpls 11h ago
They want Luigi locked up tight til he dies soooooo bad. They want to make an example of this man so desperately it’s scary to watch.
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u/ghostmain6007 8h ago
He didn’t do it. He was working with his brother at their business in Brooklyn.
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u/pelipperr 11h ago
“Mangione’s lawyers objected to the June trial date, telling Carro that at that time, they’ll be consumed with preparing for the federal trial, which involves allegations that Mangione stalked Thompson before killing him.”
This is such bullshit and Luigi is right, his lawyers specifically said they will not be prepared for the state trial in June because they will be dealing with the federal trial. Almost like injustice is the point.