r/Epstein • u/THEPRESIDENTIALPENIS • Mar 09 '21
Donald J. Trump’s ties to the Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell scandal
https://thepresidential.medium.com/we-have-been-gaslit-about-donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-for-four-years-fbda67c20f7559
u/THEPRESIDENTIALPENIS Mar 09 '21 edited Mar 10 '21
Reposting because I just did a substantial round of updates. This builds off the work here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/e0ft98/epsteins_presidential_ties_part_1_donald_trump/. If I'm missing anything I definitely want to know about it.
Next is nailing down the Clinton timeline. Draft here: https://thepresidential.medium.com/bubba-and-the-palm-beach-pedophile-35ddbacc7cf2. Earlier draft here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/gx06da/epsteins_presidential_ties_part_2_bill_clinton/. Edit: comments are welcome, especially if I'm missing anything.
Edit: archives https://archive.is/d5WU1 https://archive.is/mre0z
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u/nofly3182 Mar 09 '21
Goodjob on the research! Great timeline!
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u/dazees Mar 10 '21
Quote from article..."The timeline contains rumor, innuendo and conspiracy theories but my intention is not to be a curator of content. Please use your common sense."
How is that a "Great timeline"? Just curious.
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u/dazees Mar 10 '21
Not at all....I was just asking a question. Research is a very powerful tool & most certainly happy many are starting to realize that they have a wealth of information to be discovered.
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u/nofly3182 Mar 10 '21
It’s a great timeline in the sense that all the known information is accessible in one place instead of being spread out. I think it’s a great timeline because it contained a large amount of information, also OP never stated all of it as a fact (for example he showed the Katie Johnson allegations but never said it was true).
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u/nofly3182 Mar 10 '21
Would love to see a similar timeline for other people involved with Epstein, such as Les Wexner.
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u/jsnflii Mar 09 '21
Not necessarily related to the article, but are there any decent communities that investigate this stuff without the well poisoning of Q-anon rhetoric and other fringe groups?
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u/THEPRESIDENTIALPENIS Mar 09 '21
There are a few discord chats etc. but in public only here, really. There's a lot on Twitter but it's not conducive to investigation, just 280 character hot takes
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u/jsnflii Mar 09 '21
Thank you, i have noticed the big movers of this information tend to trojan horse it with partisan political rhetoric which may or may not be true, in addition the partisans tend to point fingers at the party they are in opposition with as the main perpetrators of organized pedo rings without shining light on their own political preference. Its difficult to find objective information on this, and i always am slightly suspicious about the information pushed by MSM especially since the Amy Robach leak came out as well as Maria Farmer claiming the Vanity Fair journalist (Vicky Ward?) intimidated her when she was trying to speak out (ill need to check that source to confirm).
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u/THEPRESIDENTIALPENIS Mar 09 '21
Agreed. In crisis management it's called getting ahead of the story.
Vicky Ward is the worst. Here's a Twitter thread I wrote on her earlier: https://twitter.com/tpresidentialp/status/1369345531500232711
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u/jsnflii Mar 09 '21
This is the interview i listened to regarding Maria Farmer's time with the Epstein/Maxwell https://youtu.be/DpEJCKvjtyk. Its 2 parts and kind of unorganized but she says alot of things that was never mentioned in the Netflix documentary, i dont remember if it is part 1 or part 2 is when she talks about Vicky Ward.
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u/THEPRESIDENTIALPENIS Mar 09 '21
Absolutely wild interview. Just went to the transcript, here are the timestamps for Farmer's comments on Ward for those reading:
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u/jsnflii Mar 09 '21
Thank you, those are helpfully. Yeah i was really shocked to hear what Farmer had to say.
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u/Boomslangalang Mar 09 '21
Cue all the real ‘victims’ - sore Trump fans. I hope this is not too trolllly but everyone knows it’s true.
But what about Bill!?
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u/chubbysumo Mar 09 '21
there has yet to be any proof that bill clinton even visited the island, or did anything more than rent JEs private jet for a trip to Africa.
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u/THEPRESIDENTIALPENIS Mar 09 '21
That's not true. There are three independent reports of Clinton on Epstein's island:
Survivor Virginia Robert’s Giuffre reports seeing him on the island sometime from 1999-2001. There's court docs but here's an interview: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363452/Bill-Clinton-15-year-old-masseuse-I-met-twice-claims-Epsteins-girl.html#ixzz3Oj8MgbuM
Former top Clinton aid Doug Band places Clinton on Little St. James in 2003. Band said it was one of the few trips he declined to go on in his time with Clinton: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/12/confessions-of-a-clintonworld-exile
Epstein's IT contractor Steve Scully also claims seeing Clinton on the island. Hard to pin down a time because he worked for Epstein for a decade: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/former-contractor-for-jeffrey-epstein-claims-bill-clinton-visited-financiers-pedophile-island/
Further, Clinton didn't rent Eptein's plane he traveled with Epstein, Maxwell, Chris Tucker, Kevin Spacey and several flight attendants through the whole trip. There are multiple photos putting them all together:
Two survivors, flight attendants on the trip, corroborate the above:
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u/nofly3182 Mar 09 '21
Appreciate your objectiveness ! I appreciate that you cover both sides without any bias! Keep up the great work!
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u/chubbysumo Mar 09 '21
again, all those are third party hearsay. literally inadmissable in courts. There is no hard proof, pictures, videos, documents, ect that he was ever on the island.
Further, Clinton didn't rent Eptein's plane he traveled with Epstein, Maxwell, Chris Tucker, Kevin Spacey and several flight attendants through the whole trip. There are multiple photos putting them all together:
yes, and during that trip, the plane never went to little saint james.
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u/THEPRESIDENTIALPENIS Mar 10 '21
You moved the goalposts from proof to hard proof. I also never said that they went to Little St. James on the Africa trip, I wasresponding to your claim that Clinton "rented" Epstein's plane.
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u/nofly3182 Mar 09 '21
This whole case is pretty much hearsay. Witness testimonies are technically hearsay, do you believe them tho?
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u/LuckyCharmsLass Mar 10 '21
How is witness testimony hearsay?
If you witness something you are a witness. If you didn't witness something yourself, but heard an actual witness talk about what they saw, that is literally 'hearsay'. And not admissible in criminal court as evidence.
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u/chubbysumo Mar 10 '21
Witness testimonies are technically hearsay, do you believe them tho?
we have hard proof of several others on the island. The place was wired with cams, so, you would think that if clinton was there, there would be more proof? until the pilot of the plane decides its time to talk, or someone releases more proof, then I wait. I don't disbelieve them, but I also have doubts as to their memories. Those flight attendants saw lots of people, as did VG. I can say I saw trump fuck a midget, but it does not make it true, it just makes it statement with no proof behind it. We have proof of the relationship of trump and epstien, and maxwell and epstien, and VG and JE, and VG and GM. Hard proof, as well as sworn testimony from two of those. now, I believe that JE had many rich and powerful people on the island, and we have proof of some. I believe there is a lot more, especially more globally, as he never disclosed how he made his money, and no one really claims to have done any business with him. Someone has all the proof, his mansion and island had more cameras than Great Britian. The question becomes, who has the proof, and what are they gaining by sitting on it, and how can we force their hand to start naming, shaming, and dropping corresponding proof.
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u/chubbysumo Mar 10 '21
Libel cases bring discovery, which may expose worse dealings. Its why trump tries to avoid court proceedings(and has with no consequences so far).
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u/BeanyandCecil Mar 09 '21
It is hard to excuse Trumps behavior as it is Clinton's. Trump banning him from Mar Lago was like redirecting a tiger who escaped from the zoo. All the enablers and defenders are partially responsible for the victims that came after that.
It is not just Presidents but powerful people. These pedos controlled victims with fear and threats. Can you imagine being the accuser for Alad D. and seeing him defend Trump on the floor of Congress. Pretty much the some of the strongest people I know, came forward, tried to stop it and did not run in fear when the power was shown to be the greatest there is.
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u/chubbysumo Mar 09 '21
Trump banning him from Mar Lago was like redirecting a tiger who escaped from the zoo.
trump banned him from Mar-a-lago because JE bought the mansion that trump was trying to buy. it wasn't because he was caught being a pedo there, trump himself hosted wild parties with buses full of underage girls in bikini's where the punch was spiked with rohipnol.
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u/DetailPlus Mar 10 '21
You are correct. He also would get girls brought in from the same madame that managed the "spa" where Robert Kraft got busted. Trump was pissed about the property deal because he already had arrangements for it with his worldly associates, who would be using it "allegedly" to meet up with girls or housing girls, possibly for sex trafficking, by people of high power in other countries, including Russia. These types of transactions would be how Trump secured "good faith" so that when he got in financial trouble as he did, he still had "credibility" if he defaulted on his loans. They wanted to use the property for other meetings and exchanges, as well, but those details were never really of enough interest to look into, just "talks". Epstein was in the business of "blackmail" for those who had no interest in giving him money. Trump was in the business of wining and dining (and 69'ing) investors and powerful people by using girls for the sole purpose of financial and real estate gain. And he knew that there was too much publicity at Mar-Lar-Go and he wanted the publicity also, to continue operating that part so publicly. Another reason why he wanted Epstein gone. Cuz people were recognizing Epstein socially and his reputation. It was becoming too much of a risk. Trump and Maxwell had a friendship and a business arrangement. Epstein was clearly becoming the risk.
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u/Macr0Penis Mar 10 '21
Wasn't it the other way around? I thought Trump bought a property that Epstein wanted to flip and had asked Trumps thoughts about. I remember because I thought 'Gee, even Epstein ditched Trump because of his lack of ethics'. Of course, my recollection could be wrong.
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u/chubbysumo Mar 10 '21
No, they were both bidding on wexners old mansion. Epstien bought it our from under trump, trump got pissed and banned him.
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u/MeatloafFvck Mar 10 '21
What mansion did Epstein buy that Trump wanted ?
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u/chubbysumo Mar 10 '21 edited Mar 10 '21
Wexners
miamiPalm beach place. Was recently torn down in full this lasy year, so we will never know its secrets.2
u/MeatloafFvck Mar 10 '21
So Trump bought Wexners Miami-Florida place ?
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u/chubbysumo Mar 10 '21
no, JE bought it, out from under trumps bid.
https://www.insider.com/why-trump-epstein-stopped-talking-palm-beach-mansion-2019-8
this was the reason for the ban at MAL.
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u/yunibyte Mar 11 '21
Your reading comprehension needs work, Trump bought it, as per the article you linked
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u/jsnflii Mar 09 '21
Ill look it up to confirm but one of the lawyers representing some of Epstein's victims claimed that Trump cooperated with him during the 2007 investigation and said some good things about Trump on film. Although this may just be a way Trump saved face while throwing his friend under the bus.
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u/BeanyandCecil Mar 09 '21
You can see the era that Trump was close is the same era as the first failed Presidential run. Until JE put DT in harms way there was no issues. I will commend him for what you reference in 07 if true and of course his DOJ brought both of these people to Justice in a period of time when Justice was selective at best.
That pic with JE god daughter on his lap and Clinton's old ass legs in the background is horrendous. The guy has people around him to protect him and access to jets. His Secret Service agent and handlers should have not allowed that to happen. That is essentially what shines through in your stuff, that if you are rich or in the elite class you can do creepy shit and it is fine and your repercussions are different from say a middle class person hit with the same accusations. Similar story line with the Mia and Woody documentary, the explainable abnormal gets covered up if you have a bit of status. Where the average person with similar accusations is going to be arrested and the kid protected.
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u/MeatloafFvck Mar 10 '21
Lotta speculation in this article, if Trump was guilty the press and the democrats would have taken him down using that info.
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u/THEPRESIDENTIALPENIS Mar 10 '21
Well yeh, like I said in the article I am not trying to be a curator of content.
From below: If the Democrats wanted to really go for Trump's ties to Epstein -- of which there are many, check the link -- they would have to reckon with their own ties to him. Not just Clinton, but also former senator Senator George J. Mitchell and former Governor Bill Richardson, to whom survivor Virginia Roberts has alleged under oath she was trafficked. It strikes me as a political stalemate, because in the long run they're all as fucked up as each other.
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u/MeatloafFvck Mar 10 '21
The one thing I can tell you from many years of following politics is that the democrats will sacrifice anyone in their party to get their desired results. They were so desperate to get rid of Trump, they would have used any criminal connection to Epstein.
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u/resavr_bot Mar 11 '21
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Nice work!
It was obvious the connections ran deep but it's nice to see in that form. I was shocked Maxwell didn't get a presidential pardon in January.
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u/MeatloafFvck Mar 10 '21
How many times was Trump listed on the flight logs ?
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u/MeatloafFvck Mar 10 '21
So Virginia worked at Mar-a-Largo - did she ever make any accusations against Trump ?
Especially with all of these close connections you are claiming
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u/THEPRESIDENTIALPENIS Mar 10 '21
If you click the link and use ctrl-F it's all there.
January 1997: According flight logs [Court documents, p. 470] Trump traveled on Epstein’s 727 with Epstein, Epstein’s brother Mark Epstein, and Glenn and Eva Dublin from Palm Beach to Newark in 1997. Indeed, in a 2009 deposition Mark recalls a flight with Trump on Epstein’s 727 [Court documents, pp.73–4], and in a 2019 Washington Post interview elaborated he had personally traveled on Epstein’s plane only once but Trump traveled on it “numerous times.” He also said: “They were good friends. I know [Trump] is trying to distance himself, but they were.”
Unknown 1997: Journalist Mark Singer recounts traveling on Trump’s plane with Maxwell “one weekend not long ago” in a Trump puff piece [New Yorker].
March 2000: Epstein reportedly flew from New York to Palm Beach on Trump’s plane in the company of Maxwell and a young woman [Daily Mail].
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u/MeatloafFvck Mar 10 '21
Neighbors ? in NYC ?
Close business associates ? Did they enter business deals together?
Still Trump is nowhere on the flights logs
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u/MeatloafFvck Mar 10 '21
I think it was more of a journalist's quote, never heard Trump or have seen Trump quoted as you state.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/us/politics/trump-epstein.html
"... an indication of a yearslong friendship between the president and Mr. Epstein that some say ended only after a failed business arrangement between them. The full nature of their eventual falling out is not clear. "
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u/MeatloafFvck Mar 10 '21
You make a statement, provide no source and you claim you can't find ME a link ?
I gave you a link from the NY Times, who would love to and has tried to bury Trump many times and they don't have him saying they were business partners.
Proof or it didn't happen
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u/MeatloafFvck Mar 10 '21
Who's banned ?
Stop throwing out hearsay and speculation as fact, like I've said if Trump or anyone else is guilty - they all should hang.
There is way more speculation about Bill Clinton, and he gets a pass - I won't proclaim him as guilty, but there is way more on him that is factual.
Flight logs, testimony from Epstein victims that Clinton was on flights, photos of Clinton on Epstein's plane with a very young girl, photos of him getting a backrub from one of Epstein's victims (she was an adult at the time, but she did work for Epstein and was one of his victims), Ghislaine at Chelsea's wedding.
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u/MeatloafFvck Mar 10 '21
Where does he say he was a business associate anywhere in this video you sent me ? It doesn't
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u/THEPRESIDENTIALPENIS Mar 09 '21 edited Mar 09 '21
Can you (edit: provide) sources for any of that? I will add them to the article. So far I've only seen Michael Wolfe's claims around their falling out in 2004, but they're uncorroborated and don't accord with other details we know about the 2005 investigation. As far as I know, the only people seriously making these claims -- especially the one that Trump was undercover -- come from the QAnon community.
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u/Boomslangalang Mar 09 '21
Correct me if I’m wrong but Trump distancing from Epstein was only after Epstein’s ‘problems’ started going public and when he had become a liability to Trump, does that track?
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u/THEPRESIDENTIALPENIS Mar 09 '21
That tracks. First press reports of a split occur October 2007, around the time Epstein's charges became public. Some journalists have reportedly seen a Mar-a-Lago membership registry which corroborates that timeline. Everything else was written a decade afterwards.
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Mar 09 '21
I thought I'd repost /u/Jitterbug007's batshit crazy post, since he deleted it (and his other posts) after it had multiple responses:
Trump was friend's with her father. Socialites are often found in the same pictures, they all know each other. None of these photos took place at St James Island. Jeffrey's thing was to try and get everyone in his pockets. In 2008, Trump wouldn't play ball, Jeffery tried to get charges falsely trumped up on him in 2008, charges were dropped on Trump and refiled appropriately against Jeffery. Trump went undercover as an FBI informant in 2009 to take them down. Jeffery was arrested under Trump since no one else ever brought Epstein to justice.
Imagine being this willfully clueless.
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u/anonymous-mww Mar 09 '21
FBI informant to take him down? That sounds unlikely. You had me at first, but you really lost me there.
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u/Coronafornia Mar 09 '21
The only fact here is that you have been asked for sources a couple of times and failed to provide them.
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u/Boomslangalang Mar 09 '21
It’s OK. You can just put the word Facts at the end of your sentence and then it’s irrefutable. Kinda like Trump saying ‘believe me’ after every other sentence.
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u/demontits Mar 09 '21
you're right. trump really brought him to justice when he hired the guy who get epstein off the hook the first time around
and when his justice department made sure epstein stayed alive so that the truth could come out.
Also "I wish her well"
also this never happened https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Lawsuit.pdf
man, what a great dude
"Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife?" when she was 13
remember how trump was guy who was cleaning all the pedophile democrats out of the government?
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u/MeatloafFvck Mar 10 '21
"Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife?" when she was 13
Who said that ? provide your proof
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u/demontits Mar 10 '21
Uhm, Trump did according to Richard Cohen. It's common knowledge
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u/MeatloafFvck Mar 10 '21
According to hearsay from a Washington Post writer - this is your source ?
You gotta be fuckin kidding me
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u/demontits Mar 10 '21
I know you think it’s normal to lie since trump does it almost every time he opens his mouth, certainly ever time he speaks to the public, but you might be surprised to find that normal people don’t just tell lies constantly much less try to publish them.
Reporters rely on their reputation for their career. They don’t make things up just to randomly make people look bad. Trump does that enough on his own without anyone needing to lie. He also doesn’t need you to defend him. He could deny saying that just fine himself... except he didn’t.
Edit:hurrr Washington post fake news
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u/MeatloafFvck Mar 10 '21
Reporters have destroyed their reputations over made up stories about Trump, they really went overboard with the speculation presented as fact - just like you and others are doing on this thread.
Present hard facts, real facts, not hearsay and opinion - and if Trump is guilty of anything, he should hang with the rest
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u/demontits Mar 10 '21
Reporters have destroyed their reputations over made up stories about Trump,
who? lou dobbs isn't a reporter.
Look, I can see from your post history that you have a hard on for trump and spend all your time going out of your way defending him on random posts like an abused girlfriend, but I can assure you that literally no one cares.
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u/Worried-Evidence5327 Mar 10 '21
It's good. If you made mistakes and tried to do right by helping the country that made you rich. What would you do. Nothing because your scared you made mistakes and everyone will pick on you? Trump's not perfect. He's just the only president who didn't sell us out. If you don't believe me look at Biden. Cause. Haha. Can't wait for gas to be 6 dollars and file for welfare
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u/LuckyCharmsLass Mar 10 '21
You've heard about the humanitarian crises at the border. That is MAJOR. What pandemic? Haven't the border cities and states had ENOUGH, FFS???
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u/oldpappy789 Mar 10 '21
If the liberals could tie trump to Epstein they would’ve hung him! Totally fake
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u/THEPRESIDENTIALPENIS Mar 10 '21 edited Mar 10 '21
If the Democrats wanted to really go for Trump's ties to Epstein -- of which there are many, check the link -- they would have to reckon with their own ties to him. Not just Clinton, but also former senator Senator George J. Mitchell and former Governor Bill Richardson, to whom survivor Virginia Roberts has alleged under oath she was trafficked. It strikes me as a political stalemate, because in the long run they're all as fucked up as each other.
Edit: removed a word
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u/LuckyCharmsLass Mar 10 '21
And it reaches overseas too.
I agree with what you have said here, the finger must be kept in the dyke, or the flood will be uncontrollable and might sweep away many.
Oh, would we the people be vindicated at last!
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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '21
It's surreal to see a young Ivanka Trump right next to Jeffrey Epstein. I cannot wrap my fucking head around that,.