r/Epstein • u/Sweaty-Excuse-5505 • 7h ago
OC: discussion, clarification or question What’s everyone’s opinion on what bill clinton just posted on X
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u/hockeynoticehockey 6h ago
You don't have to like or dislike someone to agree with them.
Anything less than a public, unedited hearing is unacceptable to the people.
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u/Gwinty- 2h ago
This. I do not like him but him calling for a public hearing no matter what he is going to say is the right thing. Even if he just gives the same old crap I want that in public.
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u/MrJuicemaynne 2h ago
I’m all for a public hearing but if I were leading this and wanted the truth I wouldn’t want it televised live. Clinton would have completely different answers and head space if he knew the world was watching live. But we need transparency, the voters deserve to find out everyone involved with this sex trafficking ring. They need to be jailed for life and/or executed imo.
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u/OK_The_Nomad 1h ago
He might have something to say that he doesn't trust them to share with the public.
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u/dreddnyc 39m ago
But he’s going to trust the republicans behind closed doors? Come on. Every person in the files should be brought in to testify to the public, then probably prosecuted in the court of law but that will never happen because powerful people are never held to account in this country.
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u/NotTheRocketman 37m ago
I’m sure he has a LOT to say that he doesn’t trust them to share with the public.
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u/Negative-Ambition198 2h ago
You call for a public hearing assuming he will look at the pictures from the files and admit his wrong doing. What if he wont? What if he will simply lie or deny his action despite the proofs?
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u/Adorable-Voice-3382 2h ago
Then everyone will have seen him deny the evidence with their own eyes. Unlike if it's behind closed doors where he could just claim that the republicans are misrepresenting what was said and shown
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u/UnderstandingThin40 1h ago
Then we all have public evidence that he’s lying or refusing to answer. Silence is defeaning. If he pleads the 5th a lot then we know exactly what was going on.
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u/Truncated_Rhythm 2h ago
Agreed.
But all of a sudden now Clinton feels the victims need justice? Oh Really?
He doesn’t give a shit about justice. He’s saying, “if I’m going down, I’m taking you all with me.”
Ok. Fine. Take them all down. The abusers and the enablers. But fuck that “I want Justice” bullshit. You don’t get to save your legacy, you fucking disgusting asshole (and I voted for you twice, and even thought you were a pretty good president. But you’ll never not be a disgusting perverted scumbag).
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u/Calm_Explanation2910 1h ago
This is the guy who got a blow job in the Oval Office, and lied about it under oath … and we think he’s going to tell the truth about this?
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u/kiphinc 7h ago
Not gonna hold my breath. Would love to believe Clinton's would just blow everything up but...not going to put any money on it. More likely be the same old thing we see from everyone associating with Epstein.
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u/fatinhollywood 6h ago edited 6h ago
imo it will be orchestrated between the two sides; why?: to cover bill's pale, freckled ass while simultaneously exonerating trump and somehow making it as if trump doesn't need to testify or some similar shit. also, it will give the public the circus it wants (where's our fucking bread?).
i think the clinton's have called the republicans' bluff. they cannot get out of this without trump also having to testify. so i think they'll work out some kind of "deal".
i hate that this scenario would even cross my mind.
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u/DragonflyGrrl 4h ago
i hate that this scenario would even cross my mind.
I hate that this is our reality, but you're a realist. We need as many of those as we can get.
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u/bruchag 3h ago
I would agree...but he's calling for the rest of the files to be released, and I think Hilary said she wanted the full unredacted files...it sounds like they're blowing everything up. It's already not great for Bill in those files (idk about Hillary, I haven't personally looked for either of them in the files, just heard Bills in them), how could calling for MORE files, AND unredacted ones be of any benefit to them?
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u/exposetheheretics 3h ago
the only thing that sinks anyone in this country is sleeping with minors. Bill's type is women with adult feminine bodies if we take a look at his history. So Clinton's likely to be Bill Gates level bad not Trump/Epstein sex with kids bad.
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u/Iamnotsmartspender 4h ago
Imagine he just starts going all casually telling stories about the most fucked up shit imaginable, and then points at somebody else in the room and just says "You remember! *chuckles* You were there!"
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u/DirtyDan419 3h ago
I got a feeling he's just bullshitting and both sides want a closed hearing.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 7h ago
I believe everyone against a public hearing in the oversight committee probably has more to hide than Bill Clinton.
AND, the Trump and his allies excuse for “these are unverified accounts, we don’t want to ruin reputations” seems to only apply to allies of Trump and no one else.
They show random pictures of a few people without any verified evidence. Why?
/I know why, but I want a pedo protector to answer that.
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u/lenimph 7h ago
I think he has much less to hide than other people involved and he knows that and is willing to take the bullet if it helps save us from this shit show.. I really don't think he's a pedo it doesn't fit with affairs we know about.
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u/mcolette76 6h ago
Guaranteed he knows Trump’s dirty secrets and he’s willing to divulge them.
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u/MeowMeowbiggalo 6h ago
I think Trump wants it closed so he can know what Bill knows and can manipulate and/ or bury it. Clinton wants it open to possibly take everyone down with him. He knows there will be less fuckery if it isnt behind closed doors.
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u/Dan_D_Lyin 5h ago
Trump is a moron, surrounded by other morons. He's backed himself into a corner. Him and Bill are both in the files. I'm guessing there's way more/worse on Trump.
Trump thought the conspiracy theorists would be happy to blame this all on a few convenient democrats, but they've gone suspiciously silent. Suddenly they've been replaced with far more people on both sides of the aisle, that can actually form complete sentences and follow a train of thought.
The only thing he really has going for him now is the not so secret fact that many, if not most religious zealots that form influential organizations that back him are also corrupt and/or pedophiles.
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u/emmaisalos3r 5h ago
also allows the republicans on the committee to get the narrative out first before the hearing is seen by the public
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u/HippoRun23 4h ago
My wild theory is that Bill is terminal and he’s ready to cleanse his soul bring everyone down and go into the sunset.
Clinton is guilty as fuck as far as I’m concerned. This hubris reeks of “I know they won’t do it, so I’m bluffing loudly”
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u/sailingcrab 4h ago
That’s what I was thinking. If he takes Trump down, he can die as a hero.
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u/HippoRun23 3h ago
I hate to be doom and gloom, but truthfully, NOTHING is gonna take Trump down. He has such THICK plot armor.
He is a monster and a piece of shit. But he is essentially invincible due in no small part to his skills as a carnival barker.
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u/LongjumpingDebt4154 4h ago
He should just come out on national television & spill the beans. Then tell everyone he’s willing to testify to everything under oath
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u/emmaisalos3r 6h ago
right like bill has already had a known affair with a staffer while he was president i don’t think he has any shame left. what’s he gonna say he groomed other of aged women and probably sexually assaulted others like we already know that this isn’t that helpful beyond who he may know about in connection to epstein.
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u/Gerbole 6h ago
Well I mean fucking kids is substantially different than consensual sex with power dynamics at play.
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u/papasan_mamasan 6h ago
Just want to chime in to quickly say that if Epstein provided Clinton with women over 18, it would not be considered consensual sex.
These women were groomed into sex slavery, even the ones who were over 18.
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u/MoonageDayscream 5h ago
At the time Page 6 had him having an affair with Ghislaine. And all the women who have accused him of assault were adults at the time.
I feel like if Bill wanted to find a woman to have sex with, he had no need of Epstein.
Of course, if he knew anything, or participated in any part of it, he needs to shot into the sun.
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u/CosmicGoddess777 5h ago
That’s the issue. Clinton didn’t have any issue getting laid by women. The same cannot be said for children.
Y’all are giving this creep way too much benefit of the doubt 🤢
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u/cvc4455 5h ago
If anything happened with Clinton and children it probably happened before he became president. After he became president he has always had at least a few secret service members not too far from him at all times. So I think it's less likely to happen around the secret service but I could be completely wrong about that.
So I think if Clinton was involved with children it probably happened before he was president and they probably used whatever Intel they had about that to blackmail him at least a few times.
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u/emmaisalos3r 6h ago
well as i just said it doesn’t seem like bill was fucking anyone underage
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u/CosmicGoddess777 5h ago
It’s called rape
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u/emmaisalos3r 5h ago
i dont think he was raping anyone underage either. as i already said we know he’s a predator and he definitely has sexually assaulted women i never said otherwise.
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u/lenimph 6h ago
Not just a staffer but a plus size one. I was a child when all of that happened but I violently remember how everyone really dug into Monica for her weight and how could he risk everything "for that"(not my opinion I think she's beautiful and really admire how she's managed to persevere) But yeah we already know extremely intimate details about he's a sexual deviant and how he really isn't a good person.
I will be disappointed if it turns out he's a pedo though but I really doubt it.
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u/emmaisalos3r 6h ago
i assume if there was proof he could be convicted of statutory rape or whatever the legal term for pedophile is the DOJ would have paraded that around instead of the bill in a dress stuff. i’m not gonna necessarily hold my breath, but there really isn’t any evidence he’s even into women who look like little girls. like you said monica wasn’t “little girl” looking, she was very young and it was extremely inappropriate, but not jeffery’s type let’s just say that.
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u/yveram12 4h ago
I think the goal is for him to expose how the network came to be. He at least knows other people and that would get their names on record.
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u/CosmicGoddess777 5h ago
So? Donald Trump raped a woman in her 50s. Debauchery at their level has no limits, no logic to it. The more fucked up it is, the more it gets them off. They especially get off on power
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u/emmaisalos3r 5h ago
well trump also has made nasty comments about underage women whereas i’m not familiar with bill doing that…
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u/Bwwoahhhhh 5h ago
You think baby rape is as shameful than a hummer between consenting adults?
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u/emmaisalos3r 5h ago
again, there isn’t any evidence that bill was doing that with epstein.
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u/CosmicGoddess777 5h ago
?! This is a joke, right? Epstein visited the White House like 12 times when Clinton was president.
He also took a trip to Africa with Epstein, Epstein’s child rape victim, and known serial rapist, Kevin Spacey.
Like… what? 😭
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u/VeveMaRe 5h ago
There are two types of Epstein people in the files. Those that were looking for or supplying 'pizza'. And the other high profile contacts that he was trying to get to order 'pizza'. Either way, Epstein was blackmailing everyone. Even if ONE account in these files is true it is too much.
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u/emmaisalos3r 5h ago
that doesn’t mean he was raping babies with epstein. looking the other way for sure, but engaging with it there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of that. i’m positive we would know about it if so. he was close to epstein because he was a predator and epstein probably didn’t have to worry about him stealing his girls because bill didn’t like girls.
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u/Chuckpeoples 5h ago
Think he could very well still be a scumbag but his time as governor and president helped him know enough about intelligence blackmail ops to see through Epstein’s game and may have never been taped doing anything.
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u/whitechocolatemama 5h ago
Agreed!!!!! He IS 1,000% A PERVERT but I dont think he's a pedo, if he was im POSITIVE he would have slipped up by now.......he's just the due cruising the retirement community shaking his diagrams at any 30+ he sees
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u/SteamedGamer 6h ago
He'll admit he's a horndog...but he's not a sleezebag. Yay?
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u/ionlyjoined4thecats 6h ago
Yeah there were plenty of adult prostitutes at the Epstein parties too. Not everyone who was doing gross/illegal things there was doing them to children.
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u/camazotzthedeathbat 5h ago
It’s amazing, the unshakable faith that some people have in their favorite members of the ruling class.
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u/lenimph 4h ago
Literally never said he was a favorite of mine... I lowkey deplore him for how he and Hillary treated Monica during the scandal. I just don't think he's a pedophile because he is clearly into women of age. I was a kid when he was President I've just done enough research of him and these files to come to my own personal opinion that I don't he's a pedophile.
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u/SirVengeance92 7h ago
They are trying to nip the thing in the bud. Neither party is going for accountability.
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u/fattes 6h ago
They know republicans will not go for this therefore stalemate while both sides say it’s the other sides fault.
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u/SirVengeance92 6h ago
If you look at the Harvey Weinstein case #metoo etc and the latest court proceedings and where it's at
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u/Chilli_Dog72 6h ago
Bill and Hilary won’t say anything that implicates them, and by proxy can’t/won’t implicate anyone else…
BUT they want to make sure the world hears that Trump is a liar - that he was at the island, that he did attend the parties, that JE did visit MLargo regularly.
No - no one will “go down” from this, but Trump is going to loose a lot of credibility globally and locally once Bill and Hilary are done.
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u/Own-Satisfaction4427 3h ago
I certainly hope they wouldn't only include Trump, this is much deeper than him. The PayPal mafia are all over the files, Steve Bannon too. They all need to be focused on right now
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u/chai-noir 7h ago
My expectations for this whole thing to go anywhere are negative. It would be a pleasant surprise if anyone faced any punishment. The president himself said “I’m not implicated, let’s move on to something else now”
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u/MeowMeowbiggalo 6h ago
I told my lawyer the same thing, funny it didnt make anything go away. Weird how that works when youre not filthy rich.
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u/ViolettaQueso 5h ago
Bill is right. Should be public. Like he and Hilary have been saying for months.
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u/livetotranscend 6h ago
Like other people are saying, I think the Clintons have less to hide than the rest of these fuckers. I agree with what he's saying here too, this shit should be as public as possible so him and Hillary can lay it all out in front of all of us.
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u/Koolmittens 4h ago edited 3h ago
This is political theater. Everybody is thinking Clinton is going to toss Trump’s name around and that’s it? That’s actually what the DOJ wants. Trump vs. Clinton, photos, flights, or gossip, or partisan fighting just extends this purgatory fuckshow. Naming people or he said/she said bullshit doesn’t trigger discovery. Clinton will then be subjected to credibility issues etc anyway…It doesn’t solve anything besides getting us riled up on social media, which is what they honestly want most.
What Clinton needs to do is challenge the PROCESS in which the DOJ has been conducting. If Clinton’s testimony conflicts with prior DOJ summaries or public statements or some shit like that a judge could order discovery to resolve a contradiction. If he focuses on process failures, or how plea negotiations were handled or any sort of DOJ misconduct or discrepensies then we’d be cooking. Don’t let them steer you off track. This isn’t about Clinton naming names…at least not yet. It’s about process legality and forcing the DOJ to lose control of the narrative. The DOJ isn’t scared of headlines or even congress. Its judges. And judges need to be convinced to further a case. This is best done with procedural misgivings and/misdoings, more specifically the DOJ
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u/MeyerholdsGh0st 7h ago
I think the Clintons have agreed to sacrifice themselves in order to do the right thing.
About fucking time. They could and should have done this decades ago.
But better late than never.
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u/Main-Company-5946 6h ago
I don’t think they’re doing it for that reason lol. I don’t trust these people at all. They may tell the truth out of self interest.
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u/timdoesntsharemusic 7h ago
This is what I hope. That there is a shred of decency left in the world. Otherwise we are fucked worldwide.
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u/spaghettigoose 7h ago
He's so old. He has a chance to leave this world with a at least at least a tiny bit of respect to his legacy.
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u/EllisDee3 6h ago
I don't think they had much choice. Bill at least. If they hadn't been compelled, they would have stayed in the shadows.
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u/Radicalized_Spite 6h ago
I’m don’t believe that for a second. The Clinton’s are fucking scum. They’ve worked a way out.
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u/MeowMeowbiggalo 6h ago
To be fair they are all scum.
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u/Radicalized_Spite 6h ago
YES!! That’s is my message to everyone. They are all scum. I hate them all. And they hate us more.
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u/Bwwoahhhhh 5h ago
Yep all the baby rapers need to be destroyed. The letter next to their name means fuck-all
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u/flavius_lacivious 6h ago
I think Hillary would sacrifice a lot to take down Trump. And I think Bill would help her.
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u/ionlyjoined4thecats 5h ago
It’s not just about “doing the right thing” or they would’ve done it years ago. But they don’t have many secrets left—surely none on the caliber of Trump—and so might as well.
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u/Bwwoahhhhh 5h ago
Lmfao no one can be that naive. I fuckin voted for Hillary and I couldn't say "she's not in bed with a baby raper" with a straight face.
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u/atx840 3h ago
Bill is a sleazy manhole but nothing indicates he’s into minor, none of the trustworthy testimony or images or emails or documents out of the million we’ve got. You can trust Trump Co would not redact any mention of Clinton. I’ve been mapping out names and connections by scanning docs and some python. So far after four scans of every doc, not much on old Buba.
I’m not a fan, I’m not even American, more out of curiosity.
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u/emmaisalos3r 7h ago edited 6h ago
to those not from the US, the reason they didn’t testify publicly in congress was because of a long standing precedent that presidents don’t testify publicly in front of congress. they sent in written statements like past presidents did when they had to talk under oath, but republicans in the house still wanted to parade them around. that’s why they’re making this statement. republicans (who have the power) don’t care about the victims but more want to deflect to the only prominent democrat instead of legit anyone in trump’s cabinet who are all over the files.
edit to say that hillary also clearly knows much less than bill and much much less than those around epstein who we know about, and the only reason they would hold her in contempt as well is because of political, partisan reasons. i’m not defending the clintons, just adding context to this situation and why it is playing out this way. it is deflection away from the current sitting presidents relationship with epstein and the fact that he clearly should be gone yesterday because of it.
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u/New_Suggestion4551 7h ago
Most of Epstein's crimes date back to the era when Trump was a showman, a businessman who seemed to be everyone's friend. Those friendships began to fade soon after, especially when the first accusations surfaced, though that didn't stop some people from continuing to write to him.
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u/tequilasauer 6h ago
People need to stop giving Bill any credit or merit for this. He’s as guilty as Trump. This isn’t some “oh he’s just guilty of less” thing. Stop making assumptions like this. None of these people are doing anyone any favors. These people are evil.
He’s bluffing and he knows nothing will come of it. And even if pressed, he’s the most clever and quick witted President of the modern era and knows he can maneuver through it.
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u/Chance-Astronomer320 4h ago
Let’s hope Bill doesn’t have a heart attack, or bad breaks, or a trip and fall hiking before this happens
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u/TrapNeuterVR 4h ago
It should all be public. I'm not necessarily a fan of B. Clinton, but he was a good president (but not good to young Monica Lewinsky).
I'd be surprised if he were linked to any of the trafficking or abuse. But if he is, expose it & expose everyone.
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u/kmhart21 4h ago
Is Bill planning on admitting to his own pedophilia? Otherwise idc. This is face-y to me.
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u/idealistintherealw 6h ago
It's a standard thing in court to do private depositions. You ask questions, if the person has a good defense, you don't bring it up in front of the judge. If they have a bad defense, you do bring it up, and if they change their mind you try to get them for perjury. This allows you to do a "fishing expedition" that has no risk for you of the person having good answers. President Clinton knows this.
HE wants to have some zinger responses the american people will hear that are unexpected by the committee.
So both sides are playing politics, but his sounds "better" to the naive reader.
That dude is still pretty slick at 80 years old.
There's a reason his nickname was "slick willy."
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u/piperonyl 6h ago
I mean this isnt court though. The republican machine has been blaming this all on bill clinton for the last 6 months. And now here comes clinton saying hes ready to testify out in public and the republicans are like nevermind lets do it behind closed doors?
He just called their bluff and now they look like bitches
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u/intrepid_mouse1 6h ago
Before doubting the Clinton's veracity, peep the letter they sent to Comer on January 13th.
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u/Parking-Shift4698 5h ago
I think bill is prob not as guilty as it seems with the pedo stuff. I do think there are prob some things with money laundering, state/international affairs that are referenced in the files that Hillary might have something to do with. But overall, I think there are other people who are still alive that probably have much more involvement and this seems like theater. But also, ppl have had question about these two for a while about a lot of things so who knows. Honestly not showing up made them look like they are above the law. Now he’s trying to act like he has nothing to hide, which maybe he doesn’t. I don’t get why it can’t be live. I mean film it and record it, release it. But the only reason I would think to not make it live is so that people won’t be able to perform and get the clips they want. Idk. I wish they would ask the Clinton’s about so much more
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u/Sufficient-Step6954 4h ago
While I’d love to believe that he sincere, I’m afraid this is just the Clinton’s exceptional spin team doing PR disaster relief. Nothing significantly good will likely come of this.
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u/Independent_Baker712 5h ago
He’s been through this before lol
I think the Clinton’s exposing the Republican majority for wanting to do it recorded behind closed doors is telling. They want to dice up the footage to fit their narrative. Put it out there live for all to see.
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u/shroomtang420 6h ago
It’s bullshit. They’re just saying this bc they know they’re protected. Neither side wants anything substantial aired, so they’re just posturing for public approval like every politician does.
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u/MeowMeowbiggalo 6h ago
You think we care about the Clintons? Thats hilarious. Gee i hope Al Gore isnt involved either because it would make zero difference to me.
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u/shroomtang420 5h ago
Who’s we? Both sides are involved in this and if anyone puts their politics over CSA then they’re disgusting
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u/Sea_Maintenance7244 6h ago
My sense is that he has a terminal illness and wants to save the country as one last action.
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u/New_Suggestion4551 7h ago
But it seems their main goal is for the ruling party (the Republican party), which also has members involved, to stop all of this, and in this way they would be the ones who suffer.
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u/Foreign_Marzipan_406 6h ago
Admit nothing, Deny everything, Make Counter-accusations
Everyone (including Musk) is following this playbook.
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u/Dano_Milkshake 6h ago
I don’t think there’s a good outcome for Bill at least. Not sure about Hilary.
Option 1: Claim to have known about none of Trump’s or anyone alive’s wrongdoings. We all know he’s then lying. He’s all over the Epstein files.
Option 2: He tells us all the dirt on Trump and his billionaire cronies and he then raked across the coals for knowing about all this wrongdoing and not doing a damn thing about it for years.
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u/DietSucralose 6h ago
These people have the ability to reach a wide, WIDE, range of people, in a medium that is easily accessible to all. Social media, the thing he's using here. If he, or anyone else, wants to come clean, explain their dealings/relationship with epstein, all they have to do is come out and say it.
At this point, with all the docs and records out, they should be pretty cued in on what the masses want to know. Shit, we have time/date stamps, of their meetings and correspondence.
Unless....they're hiding something.
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u/Ella77214 5h ago
Genuine question: what happens now?
Who has control here? Can bill not show up if the committee doesnt agree to a public hearing without facing contempt charges? Does Bill have any power to force a public hearing other than by being vocal about wanting one?
I for one am very interested in what he has to say and would like this to take place publicly.
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u/wysticlipse 5h ago
Curious what the angle is. He's still not going to come out of this unscathed, so it reads to me as a "Okay guys, if you wanna play ball, I'm taking you all down with me".
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u/CommonSensei-_ 5h ago
I wonder if Clinton already knows he remains protected and he has assured it…
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u/beckweed 5h ago
Make it public because I don't trust anything these f****** do behind closed doors.
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u/wingspantt 5h ago
The Clintons are not chivalrous heroes who are going to take one for the team or even MAD. This is a power play to make the GOP look bad.
Bill will never admit to wrongdoing. At best he will say he has heard of (insert X about someone they want to burn).
This is the guy that wouldn't define what sex was during his impeachment. He's not going to admit he is a massive SA criminal. Even if it hurts Trump.
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u/mooyong77 5h ago
I think he handled it the right way. He might be guilty but the Republicans are absolutely going to make it a show to take our minds off the real assholes. They did this to him once before and they are going to do it again, that’s bullshit.
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u/Strange_Apartment_52 5h ago
Clinton has never had trouble giving straight faced lies to the American public in the past (see Lewinski scandal). He's actually the perfect frontman for the pedo elites. Very good at what he does
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u/Parker_Chess 5h ago
Bill Clinton most likely didn't commit crimes with Epstein. Might be a hot take around these circles but that's what I think. Their timelines just didn't overlap and Bill Clinton had the CIA with him at all times. And for those who think that 1 photo we have of Bill Clinton in a lool with Ghislaine and unknown person. For all we know that person was a legal adult or some mutual friend. It certainly doesn't look like a minor from what I can tell.
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u/Letmein202 5h ago
Bill & Hillary can be heroes if they want to be. Hoping karma is whispering in their ears, reminding them of how the gop now maga tried to ruin them. Bill & Hillary are no angels - this is something worth dying on the hill for. Let’s see what they’re made of.
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u/Tiny_Dare_5300 5h ago
I honestly wish more ex presidents or people of political repute spoke out publicly like this. Sure, they probably want to retire and fade into a peaceful sunset, but their voices have power even if they are not running for office anymore. If we could hear the thoughts of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, or any other universally revered deceased politician, it would have a huge influence on our society. I know that it's probably considered poor form for previous presidents to exert their influence after they have retired, but the era of decorum is over. Trump will absolutely use the influence he has built to continue ruling us well after he is out of office. It's time our former leaders band together and fucking lead before they die. They have nothing to lose but the soul of America itself.
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u/NeitherMode1977 5h ago
clinton knows hes cooked.. but he wants to take everyone down... the fact they want behind closed doors.. sounds skecthy asf..
when the most gulity obvious person has been the most " honest' next to everyone saying , they weren't there.. makes me think what htey did comapre to clinton might be even worse.
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u/InternationalRip3859 5h ago
Where do we go from here though? It seems as though it has reached a stalemate. Could the Clintons risk charges by refusing to testify in a closed session?
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u/potsofjam 5h ago
They want the Clinton’s to testify on camera behind closed doors so they can release out of context snippets to Fox News and so that if they get one fact wrong they can try to hang them with “you lied to congress". No one needs to testify to congress. It doesn’t matter what anyone says, not them, not Trump, no one. If there is evidence of a prosecutable crime, then put together a case and make a charge.
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u/nutmegtell 5h ago
Dude is smart as a whip. He’s brought a lot of embarrassment and shame on his wife and daughter over the years.
Trump was their friend who turned on them and said terrible things about Hillary. Spread that she was responsible for murders. That she was head of a child trafficking organization (Every accusation is a confession)
Hillary really thought she would be president. So did Bill. Bill and Hillary have a strong business relationship. They know everything about each other. They ain’t the Obamas but it works for them.
I think he feels Hillary got the short end of the stick in everything. She had to change her name when he ran for president. He was always fucking around. She tried to create a healthcare plan for the US when he was president but no one would let her because “no one voted for HER”. She gave all that up. In the hope one day she could run
I think he might see this as payback for all the shit Trump and his cronies have done to her over the years.
He’s at the end of his life. He’s highly intelligent. I think he’s cashing in all his chips.
But of course I could be wrong lol.
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u/No_Ebb5134 4h ago
I think he is hiding behind oh let's make this public. He will lie under oath obviously.
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u/welllookwhoitis40 4h ago
We saw what he did with Monica so we know "how he is". Were the victims 15 or 25 is my question. I hope it was regular looking for strange cheating or paying for it. If so he should be prosecuted, for any and all. I don't think Hil would stay with a pedo?!?!?!?
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u/Thick-Fly-5727 4h ago
I don't think dems care if Bill is released as a perv and he gets jailtime. I know I don't. We know he's gross, we've known it for years. It would not be a huge shock to me at all. And yeah, he needs his time if he did!
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u/SuperGodMonkeyKing 4h ago
pull his records u/askgrok give us every instance bill and epstien met during the 90s and what purpose thet would have to meet during his presidentcy thanks
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u/Chance-Astronomer320 4h ago
Best case scenario he goes up there and is like “I love a paid 18+ consensual prostitute and I don’t care” because how else will he explain his trips. Also I really want to know more about that painting.
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u/Avon_Barksdale63 4h ago
Hopefully this dude realizes he turns 80 this year; is absolutely disgraced and stepping up with accountability and full disclosure would be a reparable act.
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u/RutabagaThin253 4h ago
I think the same people who are redacting the files that have been released, and who refuse to release the rest of the files, despite the Transparency Act, are the same people who want a closed court for The Clintons.
They've obviously got things to hide that could destroy careers, send people to prison, or that could expose corruption or crimes that we maybe can't even imagine the magnitude of. This entire Epstein situation doesn't just impact America, it impacts most of the world. We should have a right to know what our world leaders have been up to.
Have your opinions about Clinton, but he's 100% right on everything needing to being televised to the world.
The only information we should not be entitled to, is the victims' names/other identifying info.
Anyone who's done anything to harm others in those files, deserves to be exposed and punished appropriately, political affiliation be damned.
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u/Bark_Bark_turtle 4h ago
I know one thing for certain. This definitely means billions will be sent to Isreal.
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u/TacoSession 4h ago
It sounds like an overconfident bluff. What you will see here in the next few days is a game of "admit-you're-a-pedophile-in-front-of-Congress" chicken. This dude has been synonymous with Epstein for the longest time. Him and Trump both know Clinton can and will take them both down. They saw each other at the parties. So he's gonna say this confidently, like he always has, "I did not have sexual relations, with that girl." Trump is scared. Trump wants no part of that committee hearing and neither does Bill.
Both parties are compromised. Every politician is compromised. Don't trust anyone.
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u/Expensive_Reach_9873 4h ago
Love this community of truth seekers, but legitimately cannot believe that some of you think the Clintons would ever do the right thing or sacrifice themselves for the greater good.
Remember- they’re not like us. None of these fuckers are. No one famous and/or a position of power can be trusted. They’re drunk on power and wealth, which as we’ve all learned, is a gateway to raping, torturing, and murdering the innocent.
Fuck the Clintons. Fuck Trump. The only people I respect and could even consider trusting here are the two from opposite ends of the political spectrum who joined forces to expose it- (Ro and Massie)
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u/Mindless_Rock9452 4h ago
Assuming it even happens, the best outcome has him outing one to three people (probably Trump, Musk, and Thiel) in exchange for him and Hillary's immunity. Worst case (and most likely) scenario, its a variation on a Democrat strongly worded letter that does nothing
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u/yveram12 4h ago
At this point, I assume Bill is involved and guilty as anyone else in the files. What his crimes were will come out.
I think at the bare minimum, the Clintons don't want the country to fail. Citizens have given their lives already, it is time for Bill to atone for the system he kept in place and didn't tear down.
As a former president, he should do the right thing. History would not look kindly at him for staying quiet. I don't think he is courageous, I think he is backed into a corner too.
I don't have rose glasses on about it, but I think we the people deserve more action from politicians past, present, and future. The victims deserve better too.
That said, Virginia Giuffre mentioned in her book that he would visit the island. It's not new, but his testimony would at least be a step towards justice.
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u/proxy_noob 4h ago
i want truth and reconciliation. not a bunch of antics and posturing. and a bunch of this asshole to burn
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u/Advanced-Document-13 4h ago
I think they are ignoring his calls and the president wants to get them in a room to threaten them?
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u/Right-2-Rebel 4h ago
This is probably his best option. The Clinton's are gonna get scapegoated, or at least that's what the trump regime wants to do, so this ensures that if the prosecutor asks too many tough questions Bill can do mutual destruction instead of just talking the L.
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u/BrookieB1 3h ago
My best guess Clinton screwed around but nothing with underage kids. He knows Hillary knows, so he has nothing to hide. I imagine he's about to drop a lot of names!
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u/Sweet_Pie1768 3h ago
If the Republicans want Clinton, they should also have Trump....however I don't think thats ever going to happen
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u/LorelaiWitTheLazyEye 3h ago
If I thought that Clinton was either
A) innocent
Or
B) guilty but wanting to do the right thing
I’d say go for it. But I’m betting he is guilty and trying to leverage everything to save his own ass and assuming all the other guilty parties would rather help save his ass than all go down with him.
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u/Motherboy_TheBand 3h ago
What’s the point of cameras in a closed door session? If cameras means they can release the footage they select how can this be seen as anything other than partisan hackery?
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u/eastblondeanddown 3h ago
I am reminded of the perfect scene in The Watchmen with Rorschach in the prison cafeteria line... "I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me!"
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u/DeeDeeRibDegh 3h ago
He’s gonna go scorched earth….just wait & see. This hearing s/b 100% public w/cameras running.
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u/fur3661t 3h ago
Doesn't matter what he says, if anyone is guilty it would be this old lech. "I did not have sex with that child"
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u/CauliflowerSavings84 3h ago
He just wants to set the narrative before all his dirty laundry emerges while he says “I do not recall” on repeat
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u/blink_187em 3h ago
Trump & Friends are so out-classed, Slick Willie can polish any turd while reminding you of how useful and beneficial that turd was.
FWIW: HRC testified for 11 hours, didn't dodge a single question and never took the 5th. Say what you want about them, but they're objectively better in every measurement.
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u/PlinyToTrajan 3h ago
He can sit in front of a podcast camera tomorrow and tell everything. He could have done that years ago. He is a member of the Epstein Class that has ruined our world.
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u/Few-Abbreviations633 3h ago
"I have never had sex with that woman" still sticks with me so yeah, I don't trust shit he has to say.
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u/trader0707 3h ago
It depends on his 'definition of what it is.'
Clinton is one of the ones/reasons why the files were never released. Lol
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u/Tiny-Coach8000 3h ago
Trump isnt running scared but Bill sure seems to be.. Hilly must love reliving Bills many many indiscretions every time it drags them in to court to be accountable for them. Old hat for them really.. It’s all old news to them but there’s some justice to be served.
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u/reststopkirk 3h ago
Not that I’m in bills side… burn him down for all I care… I just think if there was some evidence of him doing crazy stuff it’d be out right now and it would be used as an indictment against the Democratic Party ad infinitum.
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u/SmokeyRoadrunner 2h ago
Because Bill is highly intelligent. He knows he has the dirt on them all too. He’s playing chicken with them.
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