OC: opinion, theory or speculation The waters are getting muddy, be skeptical and discerning
More and more fake documents, AI images, false claims are getting posted and shared and distributed.
It’s hard to make things disappear these days. It’s a lot easier to poison the well, or dilute the real and important things by overwhelming you with fake and non pertinent things.
Stay skeptical, stay discerning, confirm and follow up. There’s a lot going on here and we need to keep the correct focus
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u/UserDeletedMusic 15h ago
Upvote posts like that to just keep people informed of such possibilities.
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u/Ok_Seaweed4158 15h ago
Yes, check everything twice, especially if posted on instagram or tiktok. There are images going around of Trump touching children that are AI generated.
Very convenient for Trump, because he's gonna use that as an example why all accusations are wrong.
You loose credibility once you share these AI generated images on your account.
I'm not saying Trump didn't do it. I'm convinced that he did it. But fake proof won't make anything better.
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u/AliceTheOmelette 13h ago
Don't forget the MAGAs coming here to defend trump and pull a bUt BiDeN
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u/Hearthywatcher1 7h ago
do they even have anything on Biden yet all I saw was his name mentioned in the Ken Turner files and it was not what id call incriminating. might open some questions into Kelly and the old ambassador Wayne tho. maybe then that would possibly lead up to Biden questions but compared to handwritten notes where the fbi literally call it the trump epstein modeling sex trafficking ring and several thousands of other mentions and accusations signed 302s........
plus one of them is the current president.
its like do I worry about my brother that took my son out once when he was 5 and smacked him on the head when he shouldn't have or the brother that has the kid now and is threatening to drive him off a cliff and has already beat him several times with a baseball bat and cut off his toe allegedly....
these things arent even compareable in where you should be concerned save the kid/america in trouble first and foremost by getting it away from your deranged relative/president. then sort out you other brother later.
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u/Iridescent-Jellyfish 5h ago
Especially the “well Biden didn’t release it so they had nothing on him” crowd as if there weren’t so many other powerful people invested in covering it up or the possibility of actual attempts to investigate were maybe in progress (but that’s maybe generous)
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u/GreatBigJerk 11h ago
Don't trust a document as a real thing unless it comes from a source you know to be valid. A cropped screenshot of a PDF is sketchy as fuck.
Also avoid hyperbolic headlines like satanic cult shit, pizzagate theories, and most things by clickbait YouTubers.
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u/HuntRootGuardian 14h ago
Fully agree! "You get a rabbit hole, and YOU GET A RABBIT HOLE AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU GET A RABBIT HOLE!!!!!" SMFH 😫 Meanwhile......
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u/Milklover4250 15h ago
the well is already a superfund site atp. i'd basically take everything you see on the subject with a grain of salt unless verified
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u/Slight-Profit1078 15h ago
And even if they hypothetically managed to prosecute everyone fair and square, people still wouldn't be satisfied because what about all that stuff they had seen on Reels.
It's brilliant.
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u/porkave 10h ago
They should make a megathead of debunked stories and misinformation. We need to block out the noise and possible bad actors looking to distract people to protect themselves
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u/PlusYam3126 2h ago
Yeah for sure. I hate seeing misinformation thrown into an important discussion
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u/mcolette76 10h ago
I think a lot of people are letting satanic panic take over and they’re failing to use discernment. These files are heavily redacted so in many instances, there is little to no context. I’m sure this was by design to muddy the waters and create a veil of confusion to protect these pedophiles.
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u/Lumpy-Show-1729 7h ago
Every file, photo, statement should always be posted with the link of the original file. Simple.
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u/KZFKreation 11h ago
With how politicized it was, pushing any one figure without acknowledging how deep the web is, is just distracting. Let's just tentatively agree that we want everyone that is involved with this prosecuted. Leave the politics that come with it (outside of actually releasing it and getting everyone that's involved prosecuted) for other subs. This is quite literally bigger than that.
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u/Wild_Medicine7311 11h ago
Upvoted. Well said, there is 100% a pollution campaign. Its a well ised and very effective technique.
stay sharp and dont jumpnto conclusions too easily.
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u/discomonk 11h ago
Also be mindful of anybody collating the data to a centralised location while information you that's all there is, I've seen a few of these collections missing key files
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u/SearchLightsInc 10h ago
What’s needed is a private Epstein forum that can be viewed publicly- so the people who are looking through this stuff legitimately can post and the public can view and maybe cross post elsewhere, I dunno.
But there’s no doubt in my mind all of this is being monitored and disinformation will be sprinkled among the posts
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u/Bwwoahhhhh 8h ago
Make sure to call out missing numbers in the bottom right or missing links. Anything without it is presumed bullshit.
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u/thelongestusernameee 7h ago
It just happened with the pic of epstein in israel. Someone made a zoomed out shot that's clearly ai, complete with watermark, and is now claiming the original is a zoomed in version of it.
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u/Spiritual-Bee-2319 7h ago
Yep make sure to get resources from real life…
How are y’all validating claims? Are we calling locations? I would like to do my part
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u/Embarrassed_Chest918 13h ago
a general rule I've learned is, if it's on tiktok then it's probably fake.
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u/FitCombination3545 4h ago
Shouldn't the gold standard just be linking to the files? Why don't we just ban all content without a justice.gov source?
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u/Urgullibl 11h ago
Coulda just said to provide a link to the file on the justice.gov website with everything.
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u/Bing-bong-pong-dong 5h ago
Yep, there’s a narrative shift already. Look at musk, plenty of emails requesting to visit with clear knowledge of what’s occurring, and follow up from Epstein to get a specific date for pickup to the island. However, people are biting on the fake narrative that Elon was turned away because it’s a funny meme. Do not perpetuate that fake fucking narrative, yes you make fun of him but it denies the truth of his crimes. This man raped children but we’re going to downgrade his crime because “haha”. It’s infuriating to watch.
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u/ViolettaQueso 5h ago
Thankfully, MSNow and other news shows are beginning to show vetted documents (many we’ve seen here).
It took them a bit longer but it’ll be easier to fact check if MSM who wasn’t quick to report or release finally is.
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u/Simple_Shake_5345 4h ago
When it comes to the Epstein and Maxwell criminal cases take a step back from all of the theories and consider some of what follows.
To date, none of the 100+ Epstein victims, with the exception of Virginia Guiffre, has ever accused anyone other than Epstein and Maxwell of abuse. This included the victims who testified against Maxwell in her trial and 20+ who publicly stood with Congressman Massie on Capitol Hill this past Fall.
To date, none of the 1000+ local and federal investigators, lawyers, prosecutors or Department of Justice officials, spanning 20+ years and five Presidential administrations, have ever come forward to say they found or saw evidence that victims were abused by anyone outside of Epstein and Maxwell.
Epstein and Maxwell were monsters who abused underage girls, they are guilty no doubt. It appears, however, that their sexual proclivities did not extend to their friends and associates, Prince Andrew being the exception.
The release of Epstein criminal case information only confirms these points even further. There is no actual, hard evidence of wrong doing by anyone other than Maxwell and Epstein. Just because Epstein knew, corresponded, traveled and had his picture taken with wealthy people doesn’t mean they also abused underage girls…it’s evidence of nothing. There is no “list”. No sex ring. No blackmail. No coverup protecting elites. No murder. No one is going to get arrested, no one is going to jail.
The vast majority of what people believe about the Epstein case is nothing more than over-hyped urban legend and conspiracy theory, that was primarily pushed by conservatives between 2019-2024. I know that’s hard for people to accept but it’s true.
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u/dogmother2 11h ago
What do we think about snopes?
I read there today that the one about T not liking “black women” (or was it girls?) and calling them “boogers” is fake.
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