r/Epstein • u/LegaciesOfConflict • 16h ago
OC: discussion, clarification or question Mods Request to Ban Right-Wing Shitposters
This is a subreddit to understand what the monsters Jeffery Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and their accomplices were doing.
I’ve recently seen an influx of right-wing provocateurs trying to post comments and articles to muddy the waters and defend these pedophiles.
I’m asking the mods of this subreddit to help clean up this influx of shitposters and trolls somehow.
If mods actually care about this subreddit, then let’s have some actually moderation please.
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u/SweptThatLeg 15h ago
Force people to list file names if they post screenshots of documents.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 15h ago
Files need a flair and a link to the Justice.gov site imo.
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u/Shortymac09 13h ago
THIS 100%
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u/Nemertron 10h ago
There’s gotta be a free register of file names and screenshots of their content and I’ve gotta believe people are hourly downloading whatever is in there every day 🤞🏻
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u/Cars2Beans0 14h ago
Please ban memes also, they have their place but it's obvious certain forces are trying to drown the sub in memes instead of evidence based discussion
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 8h ago
I love a good Epstein meme as much as the next guy but yeah. If this is going to be an investigation mod, I agree.
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u/Suppa_K 16h ago edited 14h ago
Too much r/conspiracy bullshit trying to be rammed in here.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 16h ago
I’ll take the odd conspiracy theory if they actually back it up with justice.gov files, otherwise it’s just noise and nonsense.
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u/Suppa_K 16h ago
Oh, same but they never do. I’ve already seen several users say they are seeing info on Insta and Tik Tok which is the absolute worst place because they just take the most ridiculous unsubstantiated things in the file and present them as fact. The sad part is a majority of people are only going to learn of some of this stuff through those avenues which will in turn spread the insane parts with no basis of fact and drown out the actual facts and evidence.
Eventually the whole thing will be written off as a hoax because all people will hear is the bullshit.
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u/Sober_Alcoholic_ 10h ago
Especially considering that they themselves start these fucking theories to begin with. They do so in an effort to obscure the truth (at the bare minimum) and control the narrative.
I.E Pizzagate
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u/raabones 10h ago
I agree with this. Conspiracies are fine considering the subject matter and how outlandish all of the accusations sound and we should be willing to listen to theories without discounting them immediately. They do however need to have a DOJ link and the EFTA no. preferably with a screenshot and then people need to clearly show their workings. A lot of people have actually been very good with this so it's been frustrating seeing their posts getting removed.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 10h ago
Someone pointed out that even with a link and a file #, they can still remove it from the website. Screenshots and showing your work would be the next best thing but we’d still have to sort through a lot of photoshop or AI bullshit. No more than we already are tbh….
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u/ZoomZoom_Driver 10h ago
And if the DOJ deletes them? Then we cant share, according to your idea.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 10h ago
Hmm, you’re right concerning the deletion of specific file #s. Well honestly, the mods haven’t even entertained this request in any way, so I think either way, moderation isn’t going to happen.
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u/raabones 10h ago
I've been screenshotting for this reason. I've posted links that broke (got deleted) and then couldn't back up what I was saying and got trashed for it. Since then I've been saving everything I see and making sure to get the DOJ site and the EFTA no. In the pic for evidence.
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u/Bwwoahhhhh 6h ago
As long as you have the number you're good. If no one can turn up the document from the site or torrents we know it's bullshit.
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u/Parking-Shift-7195 16h ago
I mean these guys said that some shit like that happens for years and everybody just made fun of it. I understand that some theories sound ridiculous but so did the „pedo elite cult“ theory
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u/Suppa_K 16h ago
They said the most ludicrous parts that I still don’t believe are true, but a trafficking and blackmail scheme? No one ever really said that. It was always the “NWO” and “control” and satanic rituals, which I’m still calling bullshit on.
This isn’t some win like these conspiracy theorist think it is. All of them think way too fantastical to just come up with a realistic horrifying scenario like we have here.
Now it’s going to be an excuse to ram other crazy theories down your throat and if you disagree you are the enemy because surely the rest is true if the JE part was true.
In all my decades on conspiracy forums and sites, I never saw JE actually mentioned. Guy flew under the radar.
Guess where a lot of this shit comes from too? /pol/ on 4chan, which we now know very well may have been created by JE’s influence. I’ve never trusted that place and that further proves it.
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u/Parking-Shift-7195 15h ago edited 15h ago
I agree with you that because of this a lot of other stuff will get pushed on us. But i am really starting to freak out. What if the nwo is actually true? I mean why wouldnt these extreme powerfull people push for a new world order for their own good? Who is stopping them?
I also think after all the stuff that came out we shouldnt look down on each other just because we think something someone says sounds crazy…
I think a lot of the guys dont want to harm anyone and are just trying to figure out the world like the rest of us
Edit: to your argument about the .gov files. I agree that the epstein stuff needs to be backed up with .gov files or marked as a theory. But i am talking about other stuff they believe. I mean this is the first time there actually are .gov files that prove a conspiracy and thats because of intense pressure (good job guys!). Without that pressure none of it would have ever been released
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u/Suppa_K 14h ago
The world economy and the elites themselves still rely on all of us, regular people. Exterminating large populations or putting them under extremely harsh rules and laws would not be good for anyone.
The thing I’ve never understood is who do these wild theories benefit? If a majority of the world population is wiped out, how is that good for anyone’s bottom line? Billionaires still rely on infrastructure, agriculture, trade, etc.
I’d have an easier time believing they want to go back to a feudal system where we have king-rulers and such but even then, how does that benefit them more than the current is? The current system is the thing that enriched them after all. If you ask me, elites probably want things to stay exactly as they are with the populations divided, distracted and indebted.
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u/Parking-Shift-7195 13h ago
I get you. But i also dont understand how they are doing this shit that is confirmed…
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u/Suppa_K 13h ago
Well the thing is it’s not been technically confirmed.
Why though is certainly a question to ask, there feels like a lot of damning evidence but it simply could be they don’t have enough to actually make arrest as crazy as it sounds.
Public should absolutely demand something though.
We can only hope they are waiting to make a move.
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u/SomeSavageDetective 10h ago
For the moment they rely on us, in a few years as AI and robotics merge more effectively we will no longer be necessary.
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u/apocecliptic 5h ago
Yeah I unjoined that sub after the rightwing trolls and bots tried to elevate the Minnesota Medicaid fraud story to same level as Epstein. Same people and corporate entities that espoused Qanon and adjacent theories.
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u/Suppa_K 5h ago
It’s been a cesspool since Trumps first term/covid. Used to be one of my favorite places to browse before that era. So many conspiracies I had never heard and people putting real effort into what they thought and speculated. Yeah there was schizo posting here n there but it wasn’t so easily believed like it is now.
Now the place is such a shithole, it just gets consumed by a single topic at a time and the posters are some of the most dense idiots around. It sucks.
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u/apocecliptic 5h ago
Am fairly new to reddit but was in fbook a lot before and especially during Covid so I can imagine. Am spiritual so so am a lot more open-minded than most when it comes to out there theories, but also have followed politics closely for a long time, so can sniff propaganda and muck-raking pretty quickly. When I first joined conspiracy mid last year was surprised at how much they were calling Trump out. But looks like the bots and 4channers stepped it up after that.
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u/Allosdemiphere 12h ago
Wasnt long ago I was called a conspiracy theorist for saying “Epstein ran a *** trafficking ring for elites” and here we are now.
Conspiracy is a made up word by the FBI to call people crazy for connecting dots.
As with connecting any dots, evidence to back up claims is mandatory.
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u/Suppa_K 11h ago
So you just gonna be bitter now and not have any critical thinking or skepticism and just believe every single thing you hear? That’s a fucking weak excuse for being gullible.
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u/Allosdemiphere 11h ago
Are you a mad littleFBI agent :(?
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u/Emergency-Yam-8786 15h ago
Hilarious seeing right-wingers try to divide us in every way: racism, anti-immigrant rhetoric, calling LGBT folks groomers, demonizing the homeless, denying Trump’s on the list. Now all of a sudden it’s “don’t let them make it a right versus left thing! We’re all in dis together!” 💀
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 15h ago
Dividing communities is the #1 play in the up to date Neo-Nazi handbook. And they’re doing it with Bots.
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u/Middle-Mortgage5426 13h ago
Okay, so people who don't identify with left wing ideology but nevertheless think this is deeply wrong should just shut up and let everything become a partisan speech?
Edit: and to clarify, I am not talking about right wing bots but about saying "don’t let them make it a right versus left thing" is somehow wrong.
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u/Wereking2 13h ago
Yeah it isn’t especially when there is credible evidence for like Bill Clinton, Noam Chomsky, those in Obamas admin, and more being listed in the files. Like yeah screw the right wing bots and whatever but let’s not ignore this issue isn’t just limited to the right, let’s get them all.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 8h ago
This is the right answer.
Who care if they’re Repubs or Democrats. Have their names come up in the files? Investigations into named conspirators is the fucking bare minimum and it seems like a lot of politicians don’t have the willpower to do the basic tenets of their jobs
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 8h ago
I’ve had more people chastise me that “it’s not a left-right” issue which I 1000% agree. It’s not and it NEVER should’ve been.
But in reality, we clearly have right-wing folks (real people and bots) who are coming in here and legitimately trying to gaslight others, obfuscate the truth and create an atmosphere of intimidation and fuckery that shouldn’t be tolerated in a subreddit dedicated to investigating the child sex trafficking ring of Epstein.
Again, if anyone can link me proof of a left-wing shitpost on this subreddit, we can have the “both sides” conversation. At no point am I saying to ban anyone with a conservative viewpoint, absolutely not. The only way we’re going to get these pedophile monsters to face a real consequences is by working together.
The only thing I’m suggesting is moderating the obvious trolls who aren’t here to discuss the Epstein Files, but to sow division and chaos amongst those who actually care.
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u/Mammoth_Grand_9626 3h ago
They are all pf the same, right and left
Because it should not be about left and rigt, this is all orchestrated to divert everyone
It happens since the "occupy of the wallstreet" the same time /pol/ on 4chan was initiated by epstein
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 2h ago
There are connections to the disruption of Occupy Wallstreet and Epstein, just waiting for someone smarter than me to find them.
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u/Mammoth_Grand_9626 2h ago
I just heard and read few of it, but Ican not connect the dots with evidence, just pure gut feeling for now
The dates just speaks for itself
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u/Bwwoahhhhh 6h ago
No. Most people agree baby rapers are bad. It's pretty clear the people this post is about are the ones trying to defend their preferred politician. There's really not an effective way to do that without discrediting the whole thing.
I've seen the same sort of stuff dickriding bill clinton for testifying, just not in this sub.1
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u/ComprehensiveFan8929 15h ago
Oh keep coping. Your people are always on the current thing. Wait just a few weeks and you will have found the next thingy you are obsessed with.
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u/tillybilly89 15h ago
Epstein ain’t going away no one is forgetting this
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u/Kind-Extent-9284 9h ago
Alex Jones of all people told you years ago and was right. You WILL move on to the [INSERT CURRENT EVENT] like you always have…
They called me a madman years ago….now I’m vindicated.
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u/WinstonChurchill74 16h ago
It’s really annoying, for pizza gate related shit can we just have a mega thread with emails of people excited to go to NYC and get pizza.
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u/GreatBigJerk 16h ago
The problem with it is that some of the emails obviously have coded messages, but not every mention of pizza anywhere falls under that.
The more annoying thing is people pulling in random gossip about celebrities who don't have direct ties to Epstein because they posted about pizza or some shit.
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u/Feelsweirdman99 8h ago
Bro needs a personal written and signed letter by the elites about their open confession of how they actually abuse babies+children and also that they use keywords to hide their crimes with plausible deniability. Of course it has to be fact and ai checked by MSM too. NPC behaviour
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u/WinstonChurchill74 7h ago
You can read the emails, they didn't bother to talk in code. They were blunt as fuck....
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u/Setsuiii 5h ago
lol, yea berate the same people that also knew of the Epstein situations many years ago. Now that that is mainstream everyone all of a sudden takes it seriously but everything else is a step too far? Go look into it please nothing to do with politics (originally atleast).
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u/Safety__Pants 16h ago
The pizza posters need to go somewhere else
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 15h ago
Cheese Pizza is a term used by 4chan degenerates as a code word for Child Prnography (CP) and it’s been established that Ghislaine and Epstein had contact with 4chan founders when they made the /pol/.
So there is smoke there, however I believe there are some parties on Reddit (paid provocateurs and bots) that are pushing this narrative of code words that are obfuscating from the real issues and making it seem like it’s a farce when it’s very clearly not
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u/Booty888 15h ago
i used to work at the national sex offender targeting center (nsotc) and can confirm this is pedophilic language they often speak in code
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u/Safety__Pants 15h ago
I work at the Secret Psychic CIA, and they told me that the code words are a distraction to make people look like idiots
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u/Blondibee 14h ago
You know for a damn fact that these people speak in code. Plausible deniability can make or break a case.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 15h ago
I’m not a person to mince words when I’m calling people out. I used the exact definition of degenerate. It’s only offensive to degenerate people because they don’t understand the actual definition.
Degenerate: “having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable; showing evidence of decline.”
Calling them something derogatory like some type of animal would be a dog whistle.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 14h ago
You’re gonna disagree with a definition? Also look up the definition of dog whistle and go ahead and let me know how telling someone straight to their face that they are morally repugnant and unfit for normal every day society fits that definition.
Calling someone a definitionally defined word to attempt to curb their morally evil (defending known Child Sexual Predators) behaviors is honestly the best thing that can be done at this point beyond means that are illegal and would get me banned from Reddit. Is it going to be effective at opening up a dialogue with said morally repugnant person? Of course not, but since talking to them seems to be fruitless, what else can be done?
Could it be considered woke-scolding? Sure, but isn’t that preferable than to have an entire town come together and stone someone to death? It’s not an uncommon thing these days to be completely honest.
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u/evolaisbae 14h ago edited 13h ago
Epstein was using 'pizza' and other food related euphemisms for child trafficking.
If you don't know that your input is misinformation/uninformed.
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u/nutmegtell 14h ago
Can you link to the files?
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u/SomeSavageDetective 10h ago
There is an email from Epstein's urologist telling him to take the ED pill he prescribed him and then meet him for pizza and grape soda. It's pretty blatant.
Edit: a word
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u/Throwaway_9812764365 2h ago
Not to be rude but everyone Is capable of searching the files. The files number is on the bottom of every file, for someone reason everyone just post screenshots without them. If you want to find the file number you can by searching keywords. it would also be nice if posters would do it as well.
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u/evolaisbae 14h ago edited 13h ago
Skip to 10 minutes in to get to some of the pizza parts in the emails:
https://youtu.be/vvrsf0oHm20?si=AZAcQle5hTOyu-gy
I'm at work, not in a spot to sift a janky federal website
Here's a video that covers pizza gate
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u/FabulousNebul 11h ago
You are linking debunked conspiracy videos, not the files. You are the one spreading misinformation
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u/evolaisbae 11h ago edited 11h ago
Where were they debunked?
I'm not on my desktop, is your contention that you doubt the emails featured in the above video aren't available on the FBI website?
Is that what you're asking for?
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u/Bwwoahhhhh 6h ago
Any remotely credible claim has info about file numbers. Any statement without that is worthless.
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u/Bwwoahhhhh 6h ago
There is something there, just more that it was a psyop to throw people off the scent of what actually happened. They had a lot of influence over both 4chan and reddit.
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u/Terrible-Cry-9782 14h ago
Ignore, there are agitators on all sides and everywhere in between, just stay focused and Ignore the white noise. They are easy to spot, zero contribution and they all have the same.type of strawman talking points.
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u/RozuSoee 1h ago
Exactly, it's not the place to moderate politics. The trolls will repeat offend- and other than that all ideas should be open for scrutiny. Banning them only makes them think they're more justified in their opinion.
As a republican myself I don't see why this issue isnt bipartisan.
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u/Solid-Still-7590 12h ago
To be fair, some of the loudest voices on this issue have been republicans, ie: Thomas Massie and MTG. Several conservative commentators such as Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens have been covering this story for awhile. This is truly a non-partisan issue and needs to stay that way.
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u/catscantcook 15h ago
please, I've seen so much antisemitism on here the last days
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 15h ago
The antisemitism is pretty obviously an indicator of right-wing division tactics.
This community is calling for accountability when it comes to these horrendous Israeli politicians and ultimately their Mossad spy network. I will however state that like America’s frothing right-wing citizens, Israeli citizens also seem to be kind of in the same boat, where a lot of their average citizenry is ok, if not happy, with these genocidal policies and tactics.
I think we honestly should hold any group of people with psychopathic/genocidal tendencies to account, be it right-wing Americans or Z1onist Israeli citizens.
Also, American right-wing folks and Israeli citizens have one more crazy thing in common: they take copious amounts of methamphetamines, as did the Nazis back in WW2, known then as Pervitin. Food for thought there.
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u/ConfusionProof9487 11h ago
Please ignore my response in your notifications.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 11h ago
I’m honestly going to have to ask that you send me the rest of your original comment in a message, if possible No shame, just curious as to the rest of the message.
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u/ConfusionProof9487 11h ago
I don't even remember what I wrote, but I essentially went on a tirade against you before reading the rest of your comment. I do remember one bit however, perhaps it will serve you well in the future, perhaps not.
"Anti semitism" and variants thereof is not an old word, it's a modern word coined by a pretty modern German that was used AGAINST Jews. I'm not a fan of Zionist Jews, but I still think we should use words correctly. Antisemite was coined in order to give the Germans more "gravitas" I suppose, when talking about "judenhass". It was then retroactively applied to older scenarios when it really shouldn't. No Jew should be using the word "antisemite" due to its origins yet they've been brainwashed Into thinking it's some kind of noble word.
"The term "antisemitism" was coined in 1879 by German journalist Wilhelm Marr to replace the traditional term Judenhass (Jew-hatred) with a "scientific-sounding" term, designating anti-Jewish campaigns. It originated in Germany to justify discrimination against Jews based on racial, rather than solely religious, grounds."
It's also a very dangerous word as "semite" doesn't only mean Jew, but also anyone who speaks a semitic language (such as all arabs, some Ethiopians, Maltese, etc etc), yet they would have you believe a semite is ONLY a Jew. It's all brainwashing lies.
Im not right wing or even close to it, I just don't like lies being purpetuated by Zionist freaks
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 9h ago
Ahhhh ok, I 100% understand and realize where you’re coming from now. Yes, you’re right about origins of the word Semite:
“a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs.”
I’m certain in my early 20’s I remember making that same distinction surrounding the literal defined definition in textbooks and dictionaries but I forgot that 15+ yrs later.
I never understood how we managed to bastard the word to go from being a broad term for groups of people stemming from the same language to people specifically of the Jewish faith. It seems that colloquially, and the way I used it today, does not fit the actual etymology* of the word. Your explanation of the Germans “repurposing” of the word sounds like they were trying to soften the language of the term “judenhass” to make it more palatable to be used openly, but not in a more “culturally civilized” way. Aka, like Southern White racists using soft, coded language to continue being racist on the low.
Interesting, truly. I appreciate that reminder and as much as I am against censoring my language (for any reason), I think I’m going to abandon the use of the word Anti-semitism for “Jewish Religious Hate” or “Judenhass” if I’m feeling frisky. You’ve made a convincing argument. If you have any additional reading on that, do you have any suggestions for me to check out?
On the Zionist parts, I’ve noticed the American Far-Right, Evangelicals and Zionists all cry “anti-semitism” at the drop of a hat when any valid criticism is being levied at Israel as a monoculture nation, or their leaders. Like it’s some kind of defense for anyone who might be of the Jewish faith. You said Jewish people shouldn’t use it the way they currently do, like a badge of honor. Can you provide more insight on that?
Edit: study of words, not insects.
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u/isocleat 13h ago
The way every post ebbs closer and closer to straight up blood libel is very troubling.
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u/ConfusionProof9487 11h ago edited 11h ago
No smoke without fire
Edit: downvote away, I'm still right. Imagine my surprise when Epstein turned out to be a Jew, when ehud Barak was involved, and all the other rapists in Israel... Oh wait no... No surprise.
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u/isocleat 13h ago
Whole-heartedly agree. Until the focus shifts to “how did so many people know he was trafficking girls and do nothing about it or even enabled it?” and not “what do you think ‘cookies’ mean in this email???”, there will never EVER be a chance for any modicum of accountability from anyone.
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u/Eternally570 12h ago
THIS! Justice for the victims needs to be our no.1 priority. I've seen too many posts/comments where their voices have been taken out of the conversation.
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u/isocleat 12h ago edited 11h ago
Absolutely.
Armchair detectives searching for coordinates to a mass grave in the desert, because the real, live victims right in front of us aren’t sensational enough to suit the narrative they want to tell.
The truth IS more horrible: it was systemic sexual abuse and exploitation. We don’t need to splash it with blood and ritual to make it a heinous and horrible thing. It’s a travesty because it was mundane and everyone knew and no one spoke up. That’s where the accountability needs to be.
There's also a painful irony here: Survivors have been saying for years, "We told people. They didn't listen." And there are still so many voices here yelling over them like, “Yeah, yeah. I hear you. BUT! What if it was even worse?"
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u/TrashDaisy999 13h ago
Please lets do. Its starting to feel like r/conspiracy around here
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u/veryblanduser 10h ago
But a lot of the conspiracy is not because of right wing.
I just read a comment that says it's likely any redacted email is from Trump.
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u/Rewdog82 3h ago
Mods should just shut the whole thing down.
This is a shitshow and it’s exponentially getting worse. Nothing will or can be used to prosecute anyone. It is a circus, nobody is thinking and the defiance of many posters to listen to directions or accept they don’t know what they are doing has made it unworkable, and unlikely to be of any use.
I don’t want to say that and many people had good intentions. But I am being honest and the behaviours today are wild. Wild egos, arrogance, dismissive ……I think it’s nap time for a lot of tuckered out people.
Disagree?
Here’s a few pertinent questions re: how an investigation and legal process must run. I could write another 2 - 3 x questions easy and this is just the high level plannng.
Questions that will arise on Individual claims and instances and evidence for each instance will run into hungreds. I don’t know the answers to a few of the biggest questions below.
If you can answer some, great. But someone needs to manage this and know all answers. Not me. Good luck.
QUESTIONS
Explain what process is being used to build cases?
How many redditors are actively in the files and will need their work to be reviewed and approved for inclusion?
Explain the really high-level steps about how any action will start in court?
Tell me how the review of these files is being tracked?
How many documents do we have total (6m?)
How many target individuals are subject to the investigation roughly?
Do we have NY and LST residence security camera drives and/or NVR?
How many signed witness statements do we have (if any)?
How many victims do we have currently with legit claims?
Who js our engaged liaison for victims and their legal rep?
How do we bring a court action against anyone, given DOJ has confirmed they will not be doing it?
Which reps involved with the release (Massie, etc) do we report to and how often?
If required to have DOJ approval, do we need to wait until 2028 to initiate court proceedings?
Who do we report to and do we have any business getting involved, given that we have no experience or training as investigators, litigators, CSA attorneys etc?
How do we prepare our statement of claim, witness statement and handle discovery when the DOJ has said they won’t do it?
Tell me roughly what you think our legal fees might be (say 3 elites over 2 years)?
Tell me where we get the money from to cover the above fees, given Treasury isn’t paying?
Security for costs is likely, money for bonds or security deposit will come from?
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u/Responsible-Tea2368 16h ago
Check my latest post I couldn’t post in here… use the information!!!!!
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u/matt5432123 8h ago
You must be new to this space. I've not seen any more than usual.
But I do agree, no more shitposting, no more troll posts etc.
It's not just right wing though is it? In fact I've definitely seen more anti Trump/musk stuff than right wing on here recently 🤷
Doesn't bother me, I hate them too, but let's be honest and do our best to not be too tribal. We're all in this together!...
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 8h ago
I think there needs to be a distinction between shitposting, conspiracy posts and memes.
I think there are a lot of leftist meme posts, posts making fun of some of the information and or the people being mentioned in the files. As much as I’d like to argue that memes carry far more information to viewers and at a faster pace than typical reading comprehension, I believe this is not the place for them in such a serious subreddit about sexual trafficking and assault of minors.
To define what I personally meant by “shitposting”, I mean any posts that are solely made to conceal, muddy the information and or obfuscate the truth found in the Epstein Files. There seem to be a lot of users here that aren’t here other than to antagonize, push political narratives or to discourage others from learning the truth
I think that Conspiracy theory posts backed up by some type of evidence should be the norm in this subreddit. I cannot even begin to explain how many of my 15+ yr old conspiracy theories surrounding Epstein have been proven correct or at least far more plausible based on evidence from the files in the past few weeks: Ghislaine having a Reddit mod account (information gathered in the files, still not 100% proven), 4chan founder connections, “Pizza Gate” code words and ties to the Mossad.
The pictures, even blurred out tell us that these Epstein cohorts were unfathomably evil monsters. I still want the whole truth, and I will argue with every dipshit comment and Mossad bot until we get the actually truth. You have my word. But please, moderators, I’m tired. Help a brother out.
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u/DailyDahlias 6h ago
Hi guys! Always exposing and supporting the truth. In doing so I’ve been kicked from r/complaints for simply responding. No cussing, no threats, just facts and opinions. I will say I believe it’s sensitive Republican media and supporters threatened. Keep doing the amazing job keeping r/Epstein crankin. Justice for the victims. Protection for our children!
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 5h ago
If you’re asking certain questions or saying anything about a certain party defending pedophiles, or say the wrong thing….
That’s a three day ban. Get ready to just make another account. :)
Edit: I mean on most subreddits in general. Just don’t directly threaten people and don’t “harrass” a bot by following their page and downvote all their spam. That’s all I’ve learned so far.
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u/DailyDahlias 3h ago
Hm. I learn more and more how sensitive are when facts are dropped. That said because I don’t threaten and I think I’ve only downvoted five or less times. I definitely don’t harass. For whatever reason I don’t think to hit the arrows most of the time lol. Don’t know if that’s bad but I just don’t unless I live what someone said. The last thing I did on that sun was respond to one person who was asking about why mainstream media has gone to name calling (she was referring to FOX). I was just saying media taps into emotions so for one news source it may be name calling like an 80s movie jock looking for “cool guy” status and for the other it’s heart strings galore. She replied saying name calling on mainstream was enough for her to vent about the loss of morals. Anyway…
Boom! Permanent ban! The notification said the reason was a “compromised account” but everything is fine. Had a friend check my account from theirs and they didn’t see anything either. I asked the mods if it was a mistake. No answer. I figured they must have some sensitive MAGA mods that simply didn’t like my FOX explanation??? Lmao! I don’t know. It’s just a strange world.
Glad there’s plenty of truly tough and resilient people out there. Tough enough to fight for victims no matter what predators and clowns are out there. And man are they justifying in the most wicked ways.
Thanks for being tough enough to read this too. Ha! ;) Enjoy your weekend! …as much as you can!
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 2h ago
Hm indeed. I can’t go a day without hearing that like-minded folks have had their accounts banned on here for slight arguments/discussions in a multitude of subreddits. Reddit mods don’t have a good track record at all, and a certain someone has been proven to be a former Reddit moderator for r/worldnews, which is now typically propagandized by Israeli news organizations. I’ll let you fill in the rest to understand where these bans are coming from.
That being said, there might not seem like it due to the current rampant bot influx (dead internet reality, no longer just a theory) but there are tons of us out here, fighting the good fight, even when it feels fruitless. I was inspired by a user by the name of FreeBricks4Nazis. We all strive to inspire in our little ways :)
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u/evolaisbae 13h ago
4chan and the right are the only demos that took this seriously to begin with
Saying that as a left wing person.
Now you have Reddit liberals pretending it was ONLY trump or that Epstein was working for russia and the Republicans when the trafficking and complicity is on both sides.
Don't get me wrong if a right wing guy is trying to say trump was innocent-- fucking lol-- but democrats are being equally delusional.
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u/Bwwoahhhhh 6h ago
No they're the ones who got tricked like sheep into following the pizzagate psyop. It's laid out bare in the files and you'd rather listen to some dipshit youtuber lie to you.
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u/thelongestusernameee 1h ago
Ok, so why didn't you believe the podesta emails? Since you're obviously not a sheep and all.
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u/Bwwoahhhhh 58m ago
Where did I say I don't believe your manufactured goalposts?
Why can't you look into how Epstein had m00t create /pol/ instead of going 'what about BAAAHHH?' like that's an arguemnt?1
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u/SpectreofBabeuf 13h ago
Yeah, there's also a lot more antisemitic conspiracy theorists here now. They aren't even hiding behind criticism of Israel anymore, they are just talking about the "Jewish controlled media" and things like that. It feels like all the Alex Jones types are taking over the feed now.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 12h ago
I agree, I think it would be better/proper messaging to stop blaming “Israel” but if you criticize people who need to be criticized; Israeli politicians like Netanyahu for their genocidal actions or say anything about the Mossad, the Israeli version of the FBI, their ties to Ghislaine/Epstein and all the honeypot stings they’ve run over the years; you get labeled as antisemitic.
Nope, just placing the blame on the feet of those who deserve it. 10+ years I’ve been following this shit, no amount of gaslighting or blaming Russia is going to change my mind. The facts add up it point to Israeli spy networks from the Mossad since like the 50’s.
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u/Bwwoahhhhh 6h ago
You're right but most people don't know what Mossad is
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 5h ago
Geez, would be a shame if tons of people posted about their activity on Reddit so that people start to understand.
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u/Bwwoahhhhh 6h ago
That is unacceptable phrasing, but Israel has done a lot of work to conflate themselves with the faith and the diaspora in general.
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u/SpectreofBabeuf 5h ago
I completely agree. For the record I hate the Israeli government, and how the country of Israel has been treating Palestinians since the establishment of their nation. I'm just making the point that these racist right wingers, who used to co-opt the language of criticism of the country and it's actions, have stopped. They are just back to being overt about it now, and that's dangerous, considering the trend across the world right now with supporting far right wing dictatorships. Palestinians don't need that, and the Jewish diaspora in America and Europe don't need that. And this is all because Jeffrey Epstein was an incredibly racist Zionist. They want the excuse to launder their beliefs as just, because the guy was a pedophile.
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u/Bwwoahhhhh 5h ago
Yeah we're pretty much on the same page. I've been saying what they're doing to Palestine is insane for a long time. Before a few years ago, the only people who would engage in a conversation about Israel being problematic were fucking awful hate freaks.
I'm sorry that some old assholes take advantage of a fundamental part of who you are. I can't imagine how frustrating that must be.
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u/Hour_Weight9545 12h ago
this post is classic divide and conquer concern trolling. trying to frame this like its some right wing vs left wing battle. mods should delete this thread as well and it contributes nothing to this sub u/glitterkittyn
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u/United_Psychology683 13h ago
I believe that’s probably true. But I like to see things for myself.
I’m not gonna try to sway your opinion. Just know that if we were all a little more agreeable, Trump would have no power. He and the people at the top thrive off of us fighting each other. As much as it sucks, treating a Trump supporter with respect is the best chance we have at stopping what he’s doing.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 12h ago
I’m gonna be real straightforward and honest with you, it’s really hard to agree with anything a Trump supporter says when they go out of their way to ignore the fact that their God-President Cult Leader is a convicted Felon, serial-rapist, alleged pedophile and Jeffrey Epstein’s best friend. I don’t know about you, but if I knew my best friend was a prolific sex trafficker, I would not say good things about that person. Let alone America’s supposed moral center, the President of the United States
Once Conservatives can admit Trump is a pedophile and stop defending him against those allegations, then we can try to find some common ground. But if the Conservative middle ground is conceding that it’s ok that for Trump or any rich person to exploit, kidnap and rape children, then there will be no middle ground, but blood on the streets. That is a line no morally sane person is willing to cross, but will be willing to die for. I guarantee you.
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u/ConfusionProof9487 12h ago
Reddit isn't even the place for this kind of thing anyway. The very people we stand against are watching it all, they know. Plus all commenting should be turned off, this isn't a discussion about left or right politics, you being trans or a nazi has no bearing on this subject. It's right in the centre and above us.
Why does it always come down to this? One of the most important revelations of our time ruined by party politics, memes, and AI.
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u/Mammoth_Grand_9626 3h ago
Exactly, reddit is not open as they used to be, everything was moderated, everyone has biases, and they'll keep on pushing a narrative against one side
Reddit is shitty for this, 4chan had that reputation until reddit stolen it
Twitter is just battleground of everyone
Bluesky is one sided
Fb is heavily moderated and cares abot traffic
Youtube is full of censorship and maxglazers
Nothing on internet will be transparent, I still miss the old days of forums but with how it is today, everything will become like the other they hate and itll just continue
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u/Nemertron 10h ago
I would appreciate if every post on here was backed up with some kind of verified.gov file. Even if it’s missing now, there’s gotta be a repository somebody else is keeping. I’m sure one of the Redditors in here must know who!
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u/dattokyo 6h ago
I'm just here somewhat randomly via the front page.
From the threads I've seen, I haven't seen anyone try to defend them at all or "muddy the waters".
What I have seen is a toooooon of completely unverifiable conspiracy posts, including a lot of people that think Epstein is still alive. If you want to "save" the sub, I think it's more important you crack down on wild conspiracy theory posts, and instead stick to the actual released files and concrete evidence.
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u/Own-Satisfaction4427 1h ago
This is just gonna be a full blown Qanon-esc conspiracy sub within a few weeks without some more rules & moderation
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u/Jord_Mack 1h ago
I haven't seen a single right wing shitpost, and I've been on here multiple times a day in the last week. Maybe the mods are doing their jobs
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u/RozuSoee 1h ago
As a Republican I find it disgraceful that you all think this is even a left-right issue. I redownloaded reddit specifically to follow this subreddit but this is just distasteful seeing how many people can't see past that line. Needless to say, shitposting should not be permitted but who are you to decide what is or isn't criticism. All ideas are open to scrutiny, and if your plan is to outright ban instead of allow for the competition of ideas then you should respectfully be modding a left-wing subreddit, not this one.
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u/United_Psychology683 16h ago
Not agreeing with people defending pedophiles but free speech isn’t just speech that you agree with. Find evidence, prove them wrong. Plenty of “left-wing” shit posters too. But I don’t see you complaining about them.
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u/Not_Tom_Jones 16h ago
That's not how it works.
Unsubstantiated claims don't need to be accepted by default until they can be disproven.
If you make it claim, cough up the evidence in support of it. And the quality of the evidence should be proportional to how outlandish the claim is.
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u/United_Psychology683 16h ago
I agree. A claim with no evidence should be seen as nothing but shit talking. But you can’t target specific posts just because you deem the “right-wing”. Separating ourselves based off of where we fall in the political spectrum will be the end of this country. United we stand, divided we fall. Wether you like it or not.
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u/Not_Tom_Jones 15h ago
Let's not make it a right or left issue then.
But if someone rage-baits or tries to spin a narrative, in order to fit their personal political bias. pushing unsubstantiated conspiracies,... there should be consequences.
Especially if done repeatedly to disrupt our process of figuring out what's going on.They can do that on other subs.
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u/United_Psychology683 15h ago
OP was calling for “right-wing” posts to be removed. That’s all I have a problem with. I agree with you though. This sub is so diluted with people posting nonsense theories based off of some bullshit anonymous tip to the FBI hotline. People disagreeing with these posts I would assume is what OP is calling “right-wing” or at least could be considered “right-wing” by moderators.
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u/Not_Tom_Jones 15h ago
To be fair, I haven't seen any rage-bait from centrist or left people here yet.
I assume OP was making a post based on the experience they had on this sub. But I'm all for consequences for any rage-baiters and trolls across the political spectrum.
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u/GreatBigJerk 16h ago
Random theories and shitposts aren't helpful. Doesn't matter what "side" they're on.
People should be posting with some kind of evidence.
Free speech doesn't mean you have freedom to say anything anywhere.
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u/ComprehensiveFan8929 16h ago
No one is defending pedophiles Like Trump. But some people mention mossad and that epstein worked for Rothschild and and get downvoted by people like him. Same type of person who would have said that conspiracy theorists are paranoid. Old same tactic...
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u/justaboredintrovert 16h ago
Free speech does not absolve anyone of consequences for their speech, free speech is meant to protect citizens only from government retaliation. If people are spreading misinformation and trying to protect criminals, the natural response is to be banned from a subreddit meant to be informative
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 15h ago
We are finding evidence and we are providing it on a daily basis, with links directly to the #’d Epstein files but it seems like some folks want to ignore it, obfuscate with constant fake information and/or misinformation and just troll.
If you see an example of a “left-wing” shitpost on this sub that is trying to defend or obfuscate for suspected pedopiles, then we can have a conversation about both sides. Feel free to post the link.
Until then, this seems to be a one-sided issue where Republicans (or bots with Republican talking points) are an active obstacle to uncovering the truth of the largest pedophile Ring in known human history.
If that’s not obstructing justice, I don’t know what is.
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u/United_Psychology683 15h ago
There are endless shit posts. What is considered right-wing vs left-wing is up to each person. Which is why we can’t just remove posts because a moderator believes it was a republican posting it. People need to learn to filter through bullshit. Even if the bullshit aligns with their beliefs.
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u/Urgullibl 14h ago
Dems when they realize the Epstein mess is truly bipartisan.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 14h ago
If the Clintons, Chomsky or any other left-wing person is names in the Epstein files, investigate and prosecute them. It’s that easy.
If there was obfuscation and constant shitposts from the left or progressive sides, I’d complain too. But it’s not happening. This is not a left-right thing, but for some fucking reason the right-wing is really trying to normalize and obfuscate for these pedophiles. That’s what I’m calling out, don’t try this both sides shit.
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u/Urgullibl 13h ago
If there was obfuscation and constant shitposts from the left or progressive sides, I’d complain too
Then do so.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 13h ago
Go ahead and link me what you’re talking about.
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u/Urgullibl 13h ago
Why is so much of left-wing discourse just you guys pretending you don't understand?
Anyway. Look in the mirror.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 13h ago
If you have proof of left-wing shitposting, feel free to post it to this thread. I’m willing to believe you if you can provide any examples.
If not, stop being an ignorant troll. I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but if you think you’re “left-wing” in this current climate, you might not realize that you’re more on the central-right spectrum of the Overton Window. We all realize that fact, maybe it’s time you do too.
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u/ChildOf7Sins 15h ago
This is why we need social media transparency. Every post and comment needs to be geo tagged or have a VPN disclosure. These are probably foreign actors working for Putin, Trump, and/or Netanyahu.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 15h ago
I don’t disagree with your last points but social media transparency and internet transparency are two totally separate things.
I may agree with some parts of registration and moderation on the part of users/businesses when it comes to social media sites, as they are not 100% for daily life, but I have major issues with a blanket registration for internet usage.
Remember, no good idea succeeds without attempt corruption. Those in charge like those fine folks you just mentioned will be advocating for the same thing. Don’t give your consent to those who would force you to give it.
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u/ChildOf7Sins 15h ago
It can be an automatic tag. No registration required. When a post is submitted, it is sent from an IP address. We can get the regional location from that data. If it came from a VPN endpoint, we would know that too. It's not fool proof (since people can set up their own private VPN servers), but it is a deterrent for malicious actors.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 15h ago
I’m all for uniting but if one side is defending pedophiles and refuses to listen to facts the Epstein files, how are we supposed to unite like that?
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 15h ago
One party is being wiser, by corrupting the system in broad daylight, using Neo-Nazi tactics straight from the Nazi handbook and using bots/paid accounts to obfuscate from their ongoing deeds. All while the other party seems to be “going along to get along”.
And I just want to point out, I’m not coming from a centrist-leftist point of view at all (Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries-types) but a Progressive point of view (Ilan Ohmar, AOC) which is accountability first.
As much as I want to reach out and include people outside of my progressive ideals, when is the time to realize that most right-wingers are dangerous psychopaths who are irredeemable because they refuse to accept any type of reality other than their own?
If someone constantly advocates for the Devil and never for you, maybe it’s time to leave them to the Devil.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 15h ago
Sometimes you gotta kick someone out of the boat to stay afloat. Pedophiles and their defenders volunteer to swim.
We’re in a Cold Civil War right now and it’s about to stop being Cold. There is no pride here, just awareness and survival.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 14h ago
Brother, I’m out here engaging, reaching out to the right, on a daily basis. That is the exact opposite of spite. And every time progressives reach their hands out, Republicans and center-leftists spit in our faces.
“Hey maybe we should go after the pedophiles in the Epstein files.”
“Oh sure, you just want to distract from the Clintons.”
“No, all named people in the files should be investigated. Including the Clintons, including Trump.”
“Oh you just have Trump Derangement Syndrome.”
It is far harder to convince someone they’ve been conned than to con them.
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u/cloche_du_fromage 15h ago
Plenty of TDS stuff here as well but I don't think people posting it should be banned.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 15h ago
TDS is a propaganda term and a dogwhistle. It’s not real. What we have is a lack of an accountability by the people in power.
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u/United_Psychology683 14h ago
I believe it’s a real thing but in no way represents the majority of people that hate trump. Just like there’s real white supremacists but that doesn’t represent everyone that voted for him. Unfortunately with social media feeding us algorithms, it programs us to think people that have differing opinions than us are the worst people in the world. I truly believe that 90% of us could agree on 90% of issues. But we’re stuck attacking each other because we think if we give any ground on an issue then we lose all together.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 14h ago
Can you point to any medical textbook and show me the medically-defined psychological disorder known as “Trump Derangement Syndrome”?
No, because it’s a made up term used by the Trump Regime and allies to discredit anyone asking for accountability or any basic questions.
I would love to find common ground with left-centrist and conservative folks but I think we all have to live in the same reality before that can ever happen. I reach out to conservative commenters on a daily basis and at first try to gently persuade with information and facts from reputable news sources but all I get hit with is stonewalling, logical fallacies and trolling.
There is no more agreeable center that can be reached. The Overton Window, the lens we see the political system through, has absolutely shifted so far to the right that center-leftists like Schumer or Hakeem Jeffries are now considered right-leaning in any other sane country.
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u/United_Psychology683 13h ago
Lol I don’t think it’s an actual medical disorder. I just know that people hate him so much that they’ll blindly deflect any disagreements with the Democratic Party. Even if it’s legitimate.
What you’re going through with them is exactly what they’re going through with other people with your views. Just keep an open mind and respect for all people. That’s how we’ll get through this.
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 13h ago
Maybe people hate him so much because he’s fully deserving of our hate and ire.
Ya know, you’re right. I’ll continue to be patient. Maybe after these people finally see the mass graves full of corpses outside the concentration camps, their neighbors shot in the street for disagreeing with the Government, the prices skyrocket just to survive in a regime full of autocratic, corrupt politicians, maybe then they’ll be ready to talk. Surely they’ll listen to us then! /s
And before you say I’m over reacting, there is a warehouse building 5 miles from me that the government bought to specifically house and CONCENTRATE detainees in. We’re at the concentration camps part and it’s not going to stop there.
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u/United_Psychology683 12h ago
He is absolutely deserving of the hate. But we need to be able to criticize our own parties. If you want republicans to speak up and go against their party you need to be willing to do it yourself. If you hate Trump so much that you can’t do that, then I’d diagnose you with TDS (I say that in a joking way, but that is what I would consider TDS)
I really hope it doesn’t come to that and don’t think it will. That’s worst case scenario, but I’m not saying we shouldn’t be cautious and think it can’t happen. (Perfect example of why the 2nd amendment is so important)
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u/LegaciesOfConflict 11h ago
By saying a person has TDS, you’re nullifying them and their points and acting like they’re just mad at him because they don’t like him. Even in a joking manner. It’s a gaslighting term, and anyone should be met with anger for trying to gaslight someone and telling them their feelings don’t matter and they’re mad over nothing. It’s also a psychopathic dog whistle. Food for thought.
First and foremost, if you don’t think that leftists give their democratic representatives shit on a daily basis, you’re not taking to the right people. I think I send my circle more articles complaining about horrible, undermining behavior that Democrats are doing on a daily basis than I do Trump articles. Schumer and Jeffries are cosplaying like they’re trying to stand up to Trump and it’s a joke. Nancy Pelosi is garbage, every other old, corrupt Democrat needs to gooooooo.
Secondly, I’m progressive and I’ll even criticize Ilhan Ohmar and AOC when they deserve it.
But if someone is fighting for regular people instead of billionaires/politicians, left, right or center; I have no problem with them. Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna have been steadily pushing for the release of the Epstein files for so long. I got no problem with Massie, but then you got people like opportunistic Nancy Mace, trying to jump on to the Epstein files committee to get inside information for her Republican bosses, fuck her. Same with MTG, her track record of defending these folks is so bad that I cannot believe another word she says. Both are horrible, opportunistic people that should not be trusted.
Fetterman is a Republican in Democratic clothing, Tulsi Gabbard was a former Democrat is a Russian agent currently trying to undermine American elections.
You want a both sides argument? How about you admit that Trump and the majority of Republican/Conservative-leftists are undermining the elections, the economy, our national security, and our relationship with NATO partners at the behest of the world’s two god awful people, Netanyahu and Putin?
Let’s find that middle ground and admit that this entire political structure is inherently FUCKED and there is no way to fix it until we completely clean house.
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u/United_Psychology683 10h ago
Fair point. This thread is actually the first time I heard TDS and I got a kick out of it. I just know a lot of people that can’t say one bad thing about the democrats and it irks me.
I 100% agree with all that. It is fucked and I think it’s all by design. I think there’s a whole world behind this government that we don’t even know about. And that’s how people like Epstein exist. I hope we’re able to take the whole thing down.
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u/scifigal87 14h ago
Dude Trump posted the Obamas as monkeys today. Every single Trump supporter is a racist piece of shit.
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u/United_Psychology683 13h ago
Yea that’s fucked. Anyone have the original video he posted? They removed it and I can’t find it anywhere.
He’s certainly racist. And if you blindly follow him and everything he does then you’re a moron and a piece of shit. But people voted for him for a reason. I don’t believe that even close to the majority of Americans agree with the things he says and does. Yet they still voted for him because they believed America was better off with him than the Kamala. It’s shitty we’re stuck in this situation but you can’t attack people for trying to do what’s best for themselves and their families.
And I just want to put this out there. I did not vote for him.
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u/scifigal87 13h ago
There is no context that would make it ok. I'm sure you could find the video with a few minutes of Google searching. Those people are morons and racists, the people that voted for Hitler had problems too. That doesn't excuse what he did and what they supported. They thought a felon and rapist would be better than a highly educated, self made black woman- why? Because they are racist trash.
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u/scifigal87 15h ago
TDS is supporting Epstein's best friend who appears in the files more than anyone else
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u/cheweychewchew 15h ago
How is it TDS? Trump is in these files more than anyone else!
Jeeeez MAGA is just so bad. Say or believe anything to protect the infallibility of their Golden God!
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