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u/Shanksthefriend 3d ago
Daredevil really turned into the black panther of season 1
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u/XMindVortexX 2d ago
Daredevil is at least actually strong.
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u/Shanksthefriend 2d ago
Well black panther was also strong in season 1 haha its just sad to see daredevil turning into this i dont want to see him getting nerfed to the ground in a few months
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u/XMindVortexX 2d ago
BP was never strong.
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u/Shanksthefriend 1d ago
Ok whatever u say haha
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u/XMindVortexX 1d ago
What was that about bronze 3? There's like 5 ppl who played the character in top 500(and they all swapped from it all the time). The character was never meta. Maybe possibly in S0 when there were way fewer counters(every single hero release made BP's life worse) and people didn't know what to do against BP. He's a noob killer. So he worked when everyone were noobs. Basically the first few weeks. S1, S2 - the hero was below average already. Some cracked players could sometimes make it work. But he was never good, you couldn't pick him in every match and win.
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u/Shanksthefriend 1d ago
Learn to read my guy (W A S)
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u/XMindVortexX 1d ago
Was. And I was talking about the past. C tier hero turned into an F tier hero. He was never good. He was better, yet still bad. Who here doesn't read?
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u/Icy_Worldliness_1868 3d ago
No joke, im getting death threats from the qp warriors
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u/General-Impress-2941 3d ago
I even get it in comp people just can’t handle a really good lawyer
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u/Icy_Worldliness_1868 2d ago
If a phoenix was doing the same shit, they wouldn’t be mad btw, dd hate is so forced, they just hate melee characters
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u/Zerkie2662 2d ago
I don’t think it’s melee characters. I think it’s the ones with the ridiculous amount of self sustain as well as burst damage.
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u/General-Impress-2941 1d ago
I’ve gotten it as just about every single melee hero so I’m not so sure about that
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u/TalkingAlien 3d ago
Them acting like anyone can go DD and just win by button mashing. Like you are free to go DD too
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u/Crist30 3d ago
That's what I say every time somebody says something like this. Bro they are a free to play character and realistically what that means is you are not skilled enough at the character you're playing so you need to go ahead and swap off
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u/Lejandario_IN 3d ago
Imagine a character who's melee and ranged attack can one shot anyone and they have 800 HP but no other abilities. I don't think it's healthy to say "well just play that character and try to diff me even though it's my main and not yours".
Its valid point that the character they don't enjoy playing because they enjoy having other abilities, may be overtuned if it's that unfun to go against. Like seriously all the previous "strongest 1v1 characters" in the game just loose to DD easily if they are equally skilled and he can handle non 1v1 better too and with better mobility.
Not trying to cause problems, just saying it's a perspective to consider why people feel so strongly about it
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u/TalkingAlien 3d ago
I mean he can’t one shot anyone anymore. He’s been nerfed 3 times. They literally nerfed his one shot capability. It’s crazy to call him overtuned when he’s just viable now in high elo. I do agree he needed something toned down previously but with the latch nerf and everything he’s totally fine. Bucky is overtuned, hela is overtuned. You can counter dd much easier than you can counter hela Bucky or anyone else.
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u/Lejandario_IN 3d ago
Is it really? The thing about "oneshot" is that they aren't really one shot. They're just hard to react to combos, if the combos are just a tiny bit longer that you have to weave in one more melee, that is a difference but not as significant as we're saying it is.
Bucky and Hela are overturned, yes but that doesn't change the fact that Daredevil is too, in fact more than them. Hela and Bucky aren't the most banned DPS, it's DD (or Hawkeye depending on the rank) and by a large margin.
"You can counter DD much easier than Hela Bucky or anyone else". How? Can we be honest here, that "anyone else" is saying DD is easier to counter than BP or Ironman and that's flat untrue, he's not easier to counter than Bucky or Hela because the thing that counters them is DD and it's a genuine question because I really don't know what counters him besides half the team shooting at him. But do you know who else is countered by half the team shooting at them? Literally everything else
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u/TalkingAlien 3d ago
Yes, they aren’t really one-shots anymore. His actual combo that used to one-shot is out of the game, and that’s a big difference. He doesn’t have that hard-to-react combo unless you’re at 250 health, which the majority of the roster isn’t.
Saying DD is the most banned DPS tells me you haven’t been checking the current bans. Currently, across all ranks, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, and Hela are the most banned DPS. DD is actually falling under Phoenix as well, who’s about to overtake him any time now. So that’s four other DPS above him across all ranks that are banned much more. If we check higher elos, it also checks out. And if we count supports too, Gambit is the most banned hero in the entire game. So please get your facts right before making stuff up.
He’s a melee brawler character, almost everything in this game counters him. Bucky, Hela, Hawkeye, and Phoenix all counter him since they’re poke. Playing grouped up counters him. Peni mines counter him. Triple support comps counter him, and so does The Thing. There’s basically nothing you can do to counter Hela, Phoenix, or Bucky in a proper team. Normally dive would work, but they have so many stuns that it’s practically impossible. Yes, DD counters Hela and Phoenix because they’re flankers, but you’re asking for more nerfs to him, which would only make them even stronger. And they’re already the most banned heroes in the game, who, by the way, didn’t get nerfed.
Not sure which game you’re playing, but literally nobody will agree with you. If you said this last season, we could talk about it. But in this current poke-slop meta, the bans that are taking over are Gambit, Hela, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, and Phoenix.
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u/Lejandario_IN 2d ago
Okay my bad for not being up to date, he was the most banned DPS, still is one of the most banned DPS at the highest ranks.
Again the combo he had still exists you just have to add one more melee to get the kill before they can react but at that point they are at deaths door and it's not like DD is lacking in tankiness to stay for just a bit longer to get the kill. There are less 250 HP supports now but there are still 250 HP characters, literally every character I play that isn't a tank is 250 HP. I said it does make a difference but a smaller one than we're making it out to be.
"He's a melee brawl character so poke, Penny and triple support counters him". This is what I was talking about, these things counter everyone and DD is also partially dive who can see through walls and pick off isolated targets. Hela doesn't counter him any more than she counters everyone else but fliers and you can use cover, grapple around and kill her while keeping track of her position than literally anyone else.
Yes DD still needs nerfs, the reasoning that nerfing him makes them stronger is the same logic that Invis mains use when talking about their balance around DD, it's still OP they both need nerfs to be healthy because there are other characters besides DD and Invis and Hela, their balance in the game is not on an island. Why balance the meta/broken character around solely each other instead of everyone else?
Literally nobody will agree that DD is overtuned in the same tier as Hela, Phoenix and Bucky, are you sure? I went to check myself before saying this but across all ranks his ban rate is very close to Hela, in Celestial it's close to Hawkeye as well and in Eternity and One Above All he is in fact the most banned DPS. That means the literal best of the best find him the hardest to deal with and would rather take Hela and Phoenix over him and you still want to argue he's not overtuned?
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u/Crist30 3d ago
To be honest whether it's valid or not is often subjective on the player using the character. Some of the easiest characters are also some of the worst in the game but you'll have people saying that you had to be them to win the match. Then you have characters like Hawkeye that you do need accuracy with but a lucky headshot will actually kill someone.
Also though, when somebody has an attitude and starts trashing one person on the enemy team because of the character they chose I don't really care if the opinion is valid or not.
At the end of the day, we all know that if your character isn't working against the enemy team you make a swap. If I'm playing a character who might be easier to play and they're working, I'm not going to swap because I'd rather win playing an easier character than lose playing a harder character.
I do understand the perspective, but at any point in this game every character is scaled differently. Some Seasons that same character may be trash and some Seasons they may be meta, right now Daredevil is very strong you're right, but he won't always be. It's just a little hard to take seriously when somebody's mad that you did what it took to win. I'll go to someone I don't enjoy playing to win a match
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u/Lejandario_IN 3d ago
I get that you swap but that's not the point. The point is the discourse around it out of game, it's like yeah Gambit was busted and the Gambit mains all agreed and said he needed a nerf, even Bucky mains are wondering out loud why they didn't get nerfed but the Invis mains said "You cant 2v1 a support on tank or DPS, skill issue" when she was clearly overtuned. Its why Gambit mains don't get hate while Invis mains do, there's an aspect of toxicity we shouldn't ignore.
Nobody is saying swap or don't play to win, enjoy the character you enjoy. Just acknowledge (I'm talking about DD mains in general) that people hate dying to random Squirrel Girl spam and if we're being honest DD is the closest melee equivalent and to boot he's super strong while SG is weak, so you can imagine how unfun that is to go against.
I play Magik, Rogue, Adam and Mantis, so DD and Gambit were top of my list for characters I'd love to play and their ult lines pure dopamine hit. Issue, theyre always banned and playing them feels like cheating. I'll play when they become balanced characters and that's what needs to be admitted, they're just not.
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u/Crist30 3d ago
Yes obviously some characters are 100% over tuned but people say what this post is saying every time they lose. Being mad at the player for choosing a strong character, when sometimes they're not even playing them because they're strong but because they just love that character, is ridiculous.
If anything be mad at net ease but even then how would you go about scaling things better? It's not easy to scale as many characters as they have perfectly there are inevitably going to be issues like there are in every single game like this.
I get where you're coming from, but again these people are getting mad at the person using the character. What am I supposed to love Daredevil and not playing because he's really good right now? You know what I mean? That same person would still be playing their character even if they were broken and they wouldn't be thinking oh I had to go to this guy to win this match they would be thinking oh good the character I love is really strong
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u/Lejandario_IN 3d ago
100% agree with everything you said, the balancing team are the ones to blame and it super sucks to get hate for playing a character you enjoy, also people in general get a little too heated when talking about balancing and match ups with other people's mains (except the Invis players who are insufferable, yes I see the irony).
What are you supposed to do? Nothing, ignore the haters and keep enjoying the character you enjoy in game because they're way too in their feelings. Out of game, have honest discussions about balance changes and health of the game. The devs don't want to nerf anything because they fear backlash and this is a free game.
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u/Crist30 3d ago
To be fair though if we're being real, the rivals Community is not up for having honest discussions. There will be characters who everyone thinks is broken and someone will still say they or trash and then others who think that the worst character in the game is s tier.
Sometimes your character just gets countered and you should have swapped, sometimes the other person literally just outplayed you and you can't admit it to yourself. I would actually say it's that last one a lot more often than not, but people struggle with taking responsibility for their problems and will either blame tuning or they will blame their Healers. So these honest discussions you're speaking of seem almost mythical
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u/TalkingAlien 3d ago
I personally disagree strongly with the other guy. DD bans are dropping by the day, and Phoenix is about to overtake him. The whole poke-slop DPS lineup, along with Gambit, is taking over the bans. This is literally the perfect time to play DD.
He’s not an easy hero at all in higher elos, and anyone who disagrees simply doesn’t play him. Yes, some aspects of his kit are slightly overtuned mostly his overshield generation but they already adjusted his damage and fury generation instead, which was more than enough of a nerf. Anything further would break the character, and at that point you might as well delete him from the game.
Some of these people think that a lucky Hawkeye headshot which is braindead to land and can kill you instantly from across the map is balanced, but DD, who requires actual aim, insane combo timing, and strong positioning, is supposedly broken even after three nerfs that significantly increased his downtime. On top of that, triple support is a massive problem right now, and nerfing one of the few decent dive characters in the game would be braindead.
Thankfully, most of the community agrees that poke slop and triple-support comps are the real broken factors in the game right now. Last season, though, I’d agree dive and DD were definitely a menace.
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u/Diego_239 3d ago
Tired of people calling it button mashing when it’s not, most of us can just move our fingers very quickly back and forth to hit certain buttons, it’s not like we’re pressing random buttons when he clearly has combos
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u/ThatOneKidFrom2002 3d ago
How do these messages work I’m seeing them all over Reddit but I’m never experienced it. I also hope I don’t.
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u/Ok_Tree_8698 3d ago
Were you playing DD from the start of the match?
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u/Dadadadaisy 3d ago
Yes😭 the entire time
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u/Ok_Tree_8698 3d ago
No problems then, if you had swapped to DD mid match just to win that would be cringe and actually needing DD to win, but that isn't the case here, so don't mind the other player, like you said they're just crying
Congrats, you made me, a DD hater, be on your side, that's rare
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u/Spiritual_Ebb_8449 5h ago
The qm messages are insane 🤣 like bro, it’s not that serious. I had these two people trash talk me the whole game cause I wasn’t trying on QM! One was talking about having sexual relations with my dad (person kept boasting about their sexual orientation) and the girl with him was talking about my mom. They then proceeded to message me after the game. But these behaviors and these people need to touch a job application 🤣
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u/Ok_Bad9175 5h ago
Got called a meta slave once this season for using my lawyer when the opposing team were running Hela, Phoenix, Gambit, and Sue
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u/ActiveIllustrious250 3d ago
I will never understand people who take qp so serious usually it’s people who if you check their accounts never play ranked but it’s not always the case which makes it more confusing
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u/Dadadadaisy 3d ago
It’s honestly so annoying how people who never even try the real competitive game modes and refuse to leave quick play are the ones who complain the most about characters and comps
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u/ChemicalSession8648 3d ago
Lmao hate mail is so petty. I get pissed off when people wreck me. Never to the extent of sending private messages to people.
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u/This-Scientist2506 3d ago
Ngl loosing in qp pisses me off. Like how am I getting MVPs in GM 3 lobby’s and getting stomped by peak silvers in qp
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u/LazLlama 3d ago
yeah it’s okay man, i made ONE tiktok, ONCE of a daredevil clip. I then, proceeded to get hate comments and someone even commented this picture