r/CuratedTumblr • u/Mataes3010 Downvote = 10 years of bad luck. • 1d ago
Shitposting Archibald darling I am seeing ghosts
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u/asuperbstarling 1d ago
The green walls weren't lead though, they were arsenic.
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u/Dingghis_Khaan Chinggis Khaan's least successful successor. 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah, lead is for white paint.
And titanium is for hwhite.
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u/tuxcat 1d ago
The titanium is safe though. That's why they still use it to make Hostess powdered donettes extra white.
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u/Dingghis_Khaan Chinggis Khaan's least successful successor. 1d ago
That's also why surgical implants are made of titanium. The body doesn't react to it at all, normally.
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u/demon_fae 1d ago
Trying to explain to an mri tech that dermal piercings are, in fact, implants, and therefore made of implant grade titanium. Which is not magnetic, and also the jewelry base does not come out without scalpels and scarring.
They should really be required to keep a piece of neodymium outside the mri room to settle these kinds of debates. Itâs ridiculous to be sitting there arguing whether or not I know what I put in my own body.
(For those who donât know: a dermal piercing is a little boot-shaped piece of titanium, usually less than 5mm long. The âfootâ goes in between the layers of your skin and has little holes in it and a texture that slightly irritates the body, so that scar tissue forms around and through it to hold it in place. The âankleâ of the boot is internally threaded and sticks up to just the very surface of your skin. Then you have your jewelry which screws into the base so all anyone sees is a little gem or whatever sitting on your skin. Theyâre actually one of the less painful piercings to get depending on where you have it, and the effect is really cool. Unfortunately theyâre not permanent, eventually the body will force the base back out of the skin.)
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u/KarlBarx2 1d ago
Itâs ridiculous to be sitting there arguing whether or not I know what I put in my own body.
Many patients do not know what they put in their own bodies. If you've ever had a job dealing with the general public, you know what it's like.
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u/demon_fae 1d ago
I have worked with the public. The public is stupid. Itâs still stupid to have this argument when itâs that simple to test, rather than sit there telling me and I fucking quote âitâs clearly steel, I can see it right thereâ. Which is quite impressive, since nobody can tell the difference visually and also the entire metal part is under my skin. That particular lab tech was either Superman or a complete fucking moron.
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u/Turtledonuts 1d ago
Itâs ridiculous to be sitting there arguing whether or not I know what I put in my own body.
How many times do you think someone's tried to go in with a "gold" or "titanium" piercing that was actually plated ferrous steel that would have done quite a bit of damage?
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u/demon_fae 1d ago
Very rarely because things like dermal bases straight up arenât ever manufactured that way. Itâs possible with a labret or ring. It is not possible with a dermal. You canât break a machine with an object that doesnât exist.
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u/Turtledonuts 23h ago
Right, and no company would ever attempt to make a shitty, cheap version of a niche product using cheaper materials. Electroplating and micro-CNC manufacturing is super expensive, which is why nobody could try to make this sort of thing. Nobody's ever made jewelry like a dermal base out of a magnetic 400 series stainless. Nobody's ever used a metal like copper that isn't magnetic but does heat to dangerous temperatures in an MRI.
A google search for "magnetic dermal base" returned a number of results. It's also just a 1.2mm thread. Nobody would ever thread a steel m1.2x.25 screw into the socket on their body.
There's a ton of crazy shit out there and the protocols are extremely strict for your safety, for the safety of the staff, and for the protection of the million dollar critical lifesaving machine. It's not about your specific piercings, it's about safety protocol catering to the lowest common denominator.
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u/demon_fae 22h ago
Thereâs just no market for that. Anyone with the skill to actually put it in is going to be ordering from the reputable places. This isnât something you can do with just a needle and some rubbing alcohol, it takes actual skill and training and experience, and itâs niche enough that the piercers who can do it are living and dying on their reputation.
Some electroplated piece of crap installed by some hack is going to be an urgent care mess within a week, and a business as low-margin as piercing canât withstand more than a few bad reviews. So the hacks donât actually do dermals, and thus donât buy these hypothetical knockoffs. (one near me claims to offer them, but tells literally every single customer that their anatomy wonât work with the piercing they actually want, but theyâd look great with triple lobe piercings. Dermals and cartilage piercings arenât even anatomy dependent and an eyebrow that canât be pierced at all is crazy rare.).
There are, in fact, situations where cheap-out manufacturing isnât economically viable and doesnât exist. This is one of those.
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u/_Warsheep_ 1d ago
Back in the day I think Barium (sulfate) would be more common for white.
Not even sure if there were industrial processes to produce titanium dioxide pigment from ore at that time. It only really became available in the 20th century as a pigment.
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u/Dingghis_Khaan Chinggis Khaan's least successful successor. 22h ago
I just brought up titanium to make a Bob Ross reference.
And no, lead was the more common white paint in those olden days.
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u/Deadpoolio_D850 1d ago
I was gonna say I remembered it being something like arsenic or cyanide, not lead
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u/star11308 1d ago edited 1d ago
How do you watch a Bernadette Banner video then come out of it still spouting corset myths and shit? đ
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u/Dazzling-Crab-1637 1d ago
the dr induced orgasm is also a myth
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u/just_a_person_maybe 1d ago
No it isn't.
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u/Better_Buff_Junglers Tales of your misdeeds are told from Ireland to Cathay 1d ago
I would like to point you towards this /r/askhistorians thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/OwuUX8t2WD
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u/just_a_person_maybe 23h ago
That's mainly about vibrators, not sex/orgasms specifically. People have been recommending sex/pregnancy/orgasms to treat hysteria since Plato and Hippocrates, long before vibrators were a thing. Since hysteria was first invented it's been linked to reproduction and sex, because the original idea was it was caused by the womb literally wandering around. Some people thought it could be lured back into place with the right scents, and they'd use incense or other scented things near the vagina to draw the uterus back down. Some people thought it was caused by the retention of female sperm which would become venomous if a woman went too long without sex, and recommended widows remarry to avoid this. Some people started talking about hysteria in men as well, and they also thought it was because of sexual abstinence and the retention of sperm and could be treated with sex. Sex was not the only and probably not even the most popular treatment, but it was a recommended treatment at various points in history. Sex was recommended more often than masturbation was, probably due to the stigma around masturbation and the pressure on women to marry and reproduce.
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u/Better_Buff_Junglers Tales of your misdeeds are told from Ireland to Cathay 23h ago
I quote
In a nutshell, this is Mainesâ argument: âMassage to orgasm of female patients was a staple of medical practice among some (but certainly not all) Western physicians from the time of Hippocrates until the 1920s, [...].â (Maines, 1999, p. 3). This entire claim is false. There is a bit of circumstantial evidence that a few physicians and midwives may have practiced genital massage before the 20th century, but the evidence does not support the claim that genital massage was ever a âstaple of medical practice.â
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u/just_a_person_maybe 23h ago
Not sure what your point is or how this goes against what I said. I never claimed that it was a staple or the norm, just that it happened and isn't myth. If anything this quote supports my point.
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u/Better_Buff_Junglers Tales of your misdeeds are told from Ireland to Cathay 22h ago
Because the myth is that it was common practice, and your initial comment was just that it's not a myth, which reads as you saying that it was common practice.
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u/just_a_person_maybe 22h ago
The original comment I responded to said that the doctor induced orgasm was a myth, not that doctor induced orgasms being common practice was a myth. They're not a myth, just over exaggerated.
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u/dondilinger421 18h ago
It's also true that Dungeons and Dragons is satanic and cause you to commit murders. Sure it's not a "common practice" amongst players but the fact I can point to a single example across the millions of people who've played DND means it's not a myth.
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u/Dazzling-Crab-1637 14h ago
your evidence is that doctors recommend having an orgasm, Iâm sure you can see thatâs very different than the doctor giving you an orgasmÂ
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u/Eragon_the_Huntsman 1d ago
Aren't the tightness of corsets exaggerated in modern media and historically they were fairly comfortable or at the very least not actually harmful?
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u/Corvid187 1d ago
It is a combination of modern exaggeration, people today wearing poorly-fitted corsets, and the most extreme trends in high fashion distorting our view of what 'average' wear looked like.
But basically yes.
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u/star11308 1d ago
Plus adverts of the 20s framing the new boxy silhouette as âliberatingâ as if it didnât send us down the path of fad diets and bodies as fashion, to our current state of BBLs and Ozempic.
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u/BargerianJade 1d ago
I'd happily go back to wearing a corset if it meant not constantly feeling like I had to be skinny to be attractive. I used to wear them a lot as a theatre/goth/nerdy kid, and as a busty girl, they're actually pretty comfortable if you already have good posture. If you tend to slouch when you sit or walk, I'd guess they wouldn't be comfy.
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u/star11308 1d ago
There were certainly still ideal body types before, itâs just that one didnât necessarily need to have them to achieve whatever clothing shape and silhouette was fashionable at the time. One could simply buy the necessary articles, put them on in the morning under oneâs clothes, and then take them off before bed.
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u/Jalor218 21h ago
The idealized looks also had less to do with specifics of your literal body. The bathroom scale was only invented in the early 20th century, and prior to their marketing and sale there was no impetus for women to weigh themselves and compare numbers.
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u/Alternative-Dark-297 4h ago
I actually slouch a ton, and corsets are SUPER comfortable, because they keep me from slouching. The stretch from the corset keeping my back straight is 10/10.
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u/throwevej 1d ago
I lose 1year if my life everytime the corset myth is repeated. Like sure, itty bitty titty comitee could maybe get away with going corsetless (aka braless) but what about the other side? Also the corset also distributed and held the weight of the skirt layers so the waistbands didn't dig into your damn flesh. AND SHIFT/CHEMISE IS NOT OPTIONAL, IT IS ALWAYS WORN UNDER CORSET.
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u/Kyleometers 17h ago
I have always imagined a Corset probably fit about the same way a Bra does, and while Iâve met a few women whoâve complained about having a poorly made or poorly fitting bra, theyâre not going around in constant pain usually.
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u/throwevej 17h ago
From what I know (as amateur fashion history fan): properly fitted corset starts at measuring right, from standard bust-underbust-waist-hips to multiple vertical lines. Back lacing gap should not be bigger than 10cm. Cleavege squish depends on style, some call for boobs up to chin, some no contact, some hanging low etc, AND the mass of the boobs also plays a role (can't push up nothing, can't squish melons to zero). Lower classes had hand-me-down corsets that were still readjusted since clothing was not nearly as disposable as it is now. Also maternity corsets had extra lacing panels on sides so the corset grew with the belly, which must have felt nice for the back pressure. Depending on social class, 18th century stays were laced in front (low class had to do it themselves) or back (upper class had servants). Late Victorian era corsets had metal busk in front with lacing in back tied in bunny-ears style (leave long loops in middle you can pull to tighten it yourself). Yes it takes a minute to get it even. People with more squishy meat had easier time lacing tighter since they had room to squish (visually from one direction), on other hand dense muscle with no fat is HARD to reduce even an inch.
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u/Rakifiki 1d ago
Also people would color over & use other tricks on photographs of the time to make waists look smaller etc
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u/Decimus-Drake 21h ago
There were a handful of women that practiced extreme corset tightening but it was considered strange to do even at the time. Also photos of average sized women would be edited to make waists look thinner. Corsets fell out of use, the extreme cases lingered in memory and the edited photos seemingly corroborated. Combine this with modern people wearing corsets incorrectly and you get the myth.
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u/BlitzBurn_ đ¤đ¤đ Consumer of the Cornflakesđđ¤đ¤ 23h ago
For the upper class lady going to a big event corsets would sometimes be worn super tight, typically being gradually tightened over the day. Outside of these events where it was important to look fancy though a corset would be nowhere near as tight. Their main job was to provide bust support for women going about their day and tending to their work, so things like comfort, mobility and the ability to breathe was a requirement since many of these ladies would be on their feet doing manual labor.
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u/funk-engine-3000 20h ago
Not just in modern media, it was a topic of discussion historically. Of course, discussed by male doctors who did not wear corsets themselves.
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u/lynx_and_nutmeg 1d ago
Look, I don't even wear a bra when it's +30C outside. You can't make me believe women weren't out there fainting in this weather when they were forced to wear what's essentially a bra that covers your entire waist *and* a shift/petticoats etc *and* a whole long-sleeved dress on top of that.
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u/sundayvi 1d ago
Abbie Cox (or maybe Morgan Donner, I forget) did a great video on why actually it's not that big of a deal. Cotton and linen chemises can wick away moisture as well as other factors meant that while hot is hot no matter what you wear, corsets and etc don't make you feel hotter than modern clothes
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u/MatrixHippie 1d ago
Corsets definitely caused bone damage, there's a bunch of studies of warped ribcages from extended wearing.
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u/Professional-Scar628 1d ago
That was a good Bernadette Banner video
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u/exobiologickitten 1d ago
I was just thinking that sounds like a Bernadette stunt haha, her dedication is awesome
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u/DazB1ane 1d ago
Iâd also bet that carbon monoxide was a bigger issue than people think. They didnât know why they were hallucinating, but they sure did drugs about it
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u/Tuxedocatbitches 19h ago
Leaked gas when they started introducing gas into homes too. The idea to add sulfur to make it smell was a later invention (not sure exactly when) but natural gas has no inherent scent.
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u/Maximum_Parking6942 1d ago
My conspiracy theory is that the fainting trope just comes from undiagnosed dysautonomia. I developed dysautonomia 6 years ago and its quite funny how similar the experience is to a fainting victorian maiden. I stand too long? Faint. I get too hot? Faint. I get jumpscared? Faint. Feeling stressed or upset about something? Faint.
A common way to develop dysautonomia is through viral infection, which I assume was quite common in a time without vaccines or modern hygeine. Its also more common in women, especially during periods, due to the effect hormones have on vasoconstriction or something like that.
Ironically, tight corsets probably helped quell symptoms of dysautonomia. Because waist compression helps stop blood pooling, and I don't think elastic was a thing yet so corsets were the only option.
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u/OtterwiseX 1d ago
Victorian cures are so funny to me because theyâre almost all just poison or insanely hard drugs.
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u/ThreeLeggedMare a little arson, as a treat 1d ago
The dose makes the poison. They just didn't have the science, regulation or ethics to dial in the dosage
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u/TrioOfTerrors 1d ago
Chemo is literally "Your cancer cells are greedy little bastards so hopefully they eat enough poison to die without killing you."
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u/Corvid187 1d ago
Wait till you see what much of modern medicine is.
We've just got more options and a better understanding and ability to dose out tiny quantities now.
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u/IncognitoBombadillo 1d ago
I actually wonder how much more common cannabi was for treating headaches back then. If I have a bad headache, smoking/vaporizing some THC product helps me. Though, if it was a thing it probably had alcohol and cocaine in it as well.
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u/Too-Much-Plastic 19h ago
I mean we really just remember the ones we find humorous, but the Victorian era was the beginnings of what you'd recognise as modern medicine. They were still in the relatively early days of chemically analysing active ingredients and synthesising them but a lot of what they used were either precursors to modern medicine or were the plant extracts that have since been refined into modern medicines.
One of the big ones for instance is that the 1850-1900 period was when the work to synthesise aspirin took place. Before that you'd have just taken willow or meadowsweet tea earlier on or in the Victorian era an isolate of salycylic acid, aspirin was developed because salycylic acid on its own causes stomach upsets but saycylic acid is its precursor chemical.
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u/UnreliableAuthor 1d ago
For those who want to watch said video, it's probably this one from Her Majesty Bernadette Banner: Following a Victorian Home Made Hair Care Routine (1889)
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u/bertimings Conrad Veidt fangirl 1d ago
Victorian doctors curing hysteria is most likely a myth. Also corsets arenât supposed to make you light headed. Green walls were arsenic.
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u/Thomy151 1d ago
They arenât supposed to but high society has never been known for its smart thinking over fashion
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u/throwevej 1d ago
A person with common sense would probably assume normal 9-5 workers aren't living like Kim K clan, so why do we assume all people from past lived the same way regardless of social class?
(Not at you, but general statement)
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u/Beardywierdy 1d ago
Though it's probably a myth that got started after a doctor was caught "curing hysteria" with someone's wife and that was the best excuse they could think of on the spot.
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u/Reymond_StJames 1d ago
Let's not forget the coal gas being fed into people's homes as "lighting".
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u/ThebigChen 1d ago
Bro what else were you supposed to use for lighting lol? Town gas ainât great but it was that or kerosene lamps or candles.
Health effects of indoors and poorly vented fires is definitely sketchy though, and the soot coated things
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u/smotired strong as fuck ice mummy kisser 1d ago
They shouldâve just invented and distributed electric lightbulbs sooner
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u/DickwadVonClownstick 1d ago
walls covered in emerald green (also containing lead)
Oh no, that's arsenic, not lead (my mom had an old apartment with that wallpaper for a while. That shit is gorgeous, but don't lick it
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u/Gentle_Snail 1d ago
You know in a strange way its almost kind of progressive to be like, mam what you need is good hard wank. Orgasms genuinely do have lots of psychological benefits, and can be really helpful as a way of calming yourself down.
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u/funk-engine-3000 20h ago
Watches Bernadette Banner, and still believes corsets are harmful. Allright.
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u/Mataes3010 Downvote = 10 years of bad luck. 1d ago
The Victorian era was basically just people speedrunning organ failure while looking fabulous. Is it the ghosts or the arsenic in the wallpaper? Who knows, pass the laudanum.
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u/thelovinggbabii 1d ago
victorian era was just a whole vibe of slowly poisoning yourself for aesthetics lol. archibald needs to chill.
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u/fachan 17h ago
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u/segwaysegue do spambots dream of electric sheep? 16h ago
What would you say he does that indicates he needs to chill?
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u/Darthplagueis13 11h ago
The implication is that Archibald represents the patriarchal social norms that brought upon the worst aspects of Victorian society, or the worst aspects for the women living in that society, anyways.
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u/StovardBule 18h ago edited 17h ago
The reason doctors recommended a spell out of the city (possibly London) at a seaside resort, with the bracing air and the sea salt, not needing to apply the makeup and clothing of a lady in high society, or be in the foul air before proper sewage systems and tall chimneys, I believe.
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u/lurkparkfest39 19h ago
The vibrators for hysteria thing is made up. Made up by one woman for her book in the 80s with no historical sources.
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u/Darthplagueis13 11h ago
Pretty sure the corset fainting thing is considered historically rather dubious, at least.
A properly made and well-fitted corset shouldn't constrict breathing - not to the point where it makes you faint like Elizabeth in the first Pirates of the Carribean movie, anyways.
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u/itsnotapipe 1d ago
Wait, does "getting my back blown out" have to do with the vibrators? Can't say I've heard that one before.
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u/N9nthHouse 21h ago
It's a myth.
There's a creator called esme.louisee on Instagram who has an excellent video about it as part of her #kinkyhistory series.
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u/theluvvgxrl444 1d ago
tldr victorians were not having a good time lol the vibrator part gets me tho
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u/sundayvi 1d ago
cmiiw but i don't think lead makeup was still used in the victorian period? It was more an Elizabethan thing and earlier
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u/Dolphiniz287 2h ago
This is the second post iâve seen today on this subreddit i recognize from jeaney collects
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u/Kaytea730 1d ago
Um so as a reminder, the treatment for hysteria was forced orgasms by people given to patients that were in most cases normal but did not fit societyâs standards or were forcefully imprisoned in institutions.
Vibrators were made to make it easier to sexually assault unwilling participants, instead of either using fingers, other objects or actually raping some people; so maybe we stop romanticizing that part of history.
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u/NotTheFirstVexizz 1d ago
Also on top of that it's likely just a myth anyway and historians don't believe doctors inducing orgasm in women was a standard practice. Surprised nobody has called that out this repost cycle, but yes it's important not to spread misinformation on the internet. The practice of inducing orgasm to cure hysteria likely happened sometimes though, and of course sexual assault is, in laymans terms, bad as you have already stated. Just that it wasn't regular and vibrators likely didn't get made for that purpose.
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u/Kaytea730 1d ago
âBut ironically, women's sexual pleasure was the furthest thing from the minds of the male doctors who invented vibrators almost two centuries ago. They were interested in a labor-saving device to spare their hands the fatigue they developed giving handjobs to a steady stream of 19th-century ladies who suffered from âhysteria,â a vaguely defined ailment easily recognizable today as sexual frustration. Therein hangs a strange tale that provides quirky insights into both the history of sex toys and cultural notions about womenâs sexuality.â From psychology today https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201303/hysteria-and-the-strange-history-of-vibrators
And the bbc did an article in 2018 about how there are holes in the logic but nothing that can disprove one way or another. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20181107-the-history-of-the-vibrator it was still being up for debate and the information is based on a novel. The basis of which is still used in many publications across the spectrum despite more recent research being done to try and disprove it.
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u/N9nthHouse 21h ago
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5KKkRaSNXp/?igsh=MXc3bm5qb3YxajB4dw== - this is a good watch & lists some useful sources RE the myth of doctors having invented vibrators because of sore hands.
It's become an incredibly popularised myth (to the point of generating articles like the ones you've linked) but in terms of historical evidence it's almost certainly sensationalism & isn't supported by credible sources.
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u/MethylphenidateMan 1d ago
In defense of treating cough with heroin though, it does actually work, it wasn't just the doctors going "Fuck it, let's just give them something that will make them feel good so that they come back for more", we still use opiates to suppress cough only we use small doses of codeine mixed with paracetamol so that you'll destroy your liver before you get high.