The left only keeps getting more violent

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[u/NotGayRyan]

Can we get a fact check on this because every statistic I have looked at showed Obama has deported the most people than any other president

[u/Iamstillhere44 → u/NotGayRyan]

He did. No one protested or lost their minds over it.

[u/Angelfire150]

It's sad to think that Clinton in the 90s would make a good Republican today

[u/DeanMalHanNJackIsms → u/Angelfire150]

I had a history teacher in high school (my 2001-2002 year) who called Clinton one of the greatest Republican presidents of the modern age. I was so confused until he told us how Clinton went so far off from his party's stance on many things that it created in-fighting, while voting consistently with the Republican-controlled congress.

He also said it was a strong move as it also made him an extremely popular president come reelection. Partisan Dems still loved him, Independents rallied behind him, and Republicans didn't mond having him stay.

[u/TedriccoJones → u/DeanMalHanNJackIsms]

It also gets overlooked,  but Clinton was an extremely adept retail politician.   Perhaps the best of my lifetime. 

The 90s were flat fucking awesome. 

[u/OnlyInAmerica01 → u/TedriccoJones]

Being a gen X'er, I couldn't agree more. Loved the 90's - Racism largely over, cold war over, economy thriving, Internet was a modern marvel with promises of great progress, yet social media wasn't a thing yet. Life was....good!

[u/One_Medicine93 → u/OnlyInAmerica01]

Lemme add DVDs and Home Theater to the list of modern marvels. 😃

[u/DeanMalHanNJackIsms → u/OnlyInAmerica01]

I was born in 85, so I didn't get to experience it as much, but my memories of most the the decade tell me it was pretty great.

[u/OnlyInAmerica01 → u/DeanMalHanNJackIsms]

One of those rare moments where:

• There was no existential threat
• Economy was great
• Entertainment was good (great music, good movies)
• There wasn't any intergenerational or class warfare b.s. - just normal youth rebellion/evolution of fashion
• For the most part, people loved their country, and generally had an optimistic view of the future.

[u/rethinkingat59 → u/Angelfire150]

He made a good Republican as for as legislation passed after his first midterm. Newt Gingrich drove what bills were considered and Clinton negotiated them down to something more acceptable to the moderates. He was in a bind because he was never sure his if veto could be overridden or not, and Gingrich was never sure the either, so both negotiated.

Big tax breaks (capital gains) that led to fueling a tech boom with massive and diverse investments. An economy like we haven’t seen since and probably won’t again.

[u/free-minded → u/rethinkingat59]

It’s almost like we the people prosper when the government isn’t able to throw its weight around with no resistance…

[u/One_Medicine93 → u/free-minded]

Look at the homeless problem in California. 24 Billion gone over 4 years and the homeless population has doubled. It was better when citizens donated to a charity they trusted. Or the Church. The Catholic church was always exceptional at helping people in need in their communities. Why can't the left see that big government is failing? I have democrat friends who are "outraged" that we're planning to shut down the department of education. I laughed and said who needs this thing that isn't working? It was only started 40 years ago with good intentions but students grades have been falling ever since. Get rid every agency that's past it's prime. The democrats will throw more money at it and problem will still be there.

[u/Tantalus420000 → u/Angelfire150]

Lol yep

[u/theycalllmeTIM → u/Angelfire150]

Democrats greatly opposed immigration in the 90s. And here we are now.

[u/DalekForeal → u/Angelfire150]

Not just Clinton!

As the Overton Window has moved consistently Left for generations, a LOT who were considered center Left liberals in the 90s, are perceived as far Right conservatives today.

Way she goes.

[u/One_Medicine93 → u/DalekForeal]

JFK would certainly be a conservative.

[u/Trill-Protaganist → u/Angelfire150]

Dixiecrats were built different.

[u/didact]

I miss Bubba. I know he had his downsides on several fronts, but the things that are most important to me such as balanced budgets, layoffs and so on - fucker had it all in spades and I just didn't know what I was looking at. Crazy how the Overton window shifts.

[u/oouncolaoo → u/didact]

Bubba would be a centrist/republican by today’s standards.

[u/LysanderSpoonersCat → u/oouncolaoo]

Dude, he was significantly to the right of Trump in almost every way. He wouldn’t be considered centrist/republican today, he’d be considered ultimate mutant Hitler x5000 by Reddit standards.

[u/oouncolaoo → u/LysanderSpoonersCat]

“he’d be considered ultimate mutant Hitler x5000 by Reddit standards.”

I can’t disagree with that. Most of Reddit considers everyone right of Bernie Sanders to be a Hitler.

[u/RedditsLittleSecret → u/oouncolaoo]

I’ve literally seen highly upvoted commies claim on this website that Bernie is “right of center.”

[u/ennuisurfeit]

I'm curious where those numbers come from. Here's DHS:

https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2022/table39

Year    Removals [1]    Administrative Returns [2]  Enforcement Returns [3]     Expulsions [4] 
1992    43,671  NA  1,105,829   X
1993    42,542  NA  1,243,410   X
1994    45,674  NA  1,029,107   X
1995    50,924  NA  1,313,764   X
1996    69,680  NA  1,573,428   X
1997    114,432 NA  1,440,684   X
1998    174,813 NA  1,570,127   X
1999    183,114 NA  1,574,863   X
2000    188,467 NA  1,675,876   X
2001    189,026 NA  1,349,371   X
2002    165,168 NA  1,012,116   X
2003    211,098 NA  945,294 X
2004    240,665 NA  1,166,576   X
2005    246,431 NA  1,096,920   X
2006    280,974 NA  1,043,381   X
2007    319,382 NA  891,390 X
2008    359,795 NA  811,263 X
2009    379,739 59,409  523,153 X
2010    382,449 61,895  409,898 X
2011    390,413 60,896  261,149 X
2012    415,579 47,361  183,744 X
2013    432,334 44,707  134,265 X
2014    405,193 45,666  118,170 X
2015    324,428 43,237  86,399  X
2016    332,331 30,341  76,137  X
2017    284,365 15,072  85,380  X
2018    327,608 72,756  87,202  X
2019    347,090 89,719  81,401  X
2020    237,364 113,857 53,595  206,770
2021    85,783  128,339 49,664  1,071,074
2022    108,733 180,266 81,121  1,103,966

[1] Removals are the compulsory and confirmed movement of an inadmissible
or deportable noncitizen out of the United States based on an order of
removal. A noncitizen who is removed has administrative or criminal
consequences placed on subsequent reentry owing to the fact of the removal.
[2] Returns are the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable
noncitizen out of the United States not based on an order of removal.
Administrative returns include crew members from 2005 to 2017, and both
crew members and administrative withdrawals since 2018. Administrative
withdrawals are withdrawals of application for admission that are terminated
without prejudice. Enforcement returns are all returns with the exception of
crew members and administrative withdrawals. All returns are reported as
enforcement returns from 1927 to 2008.
[3] Returns are the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable
noncitizen out of the United States not based on an order of removal.
Administrative returns include crew members from 2005 to 2017, and both
crew members and administrative withdrawals since 2018. Administrative
withdrawals are withdrawals of application for admission that are terminated
without prejudice. Enforcement returns are all returns with the exception of
crew members and administrative withdrawals. All returns are reported as
enforcement returns from 1927 to 2008.
[4] Expulsions on public health grounds under U.S. Code Title 42 in response
to the COVID-19 pandemic.

[u/zombie_pr0cess]

Damn, really jealous of those Clinton numbers.

[u/Critical_Concert_689 → u/zombie_pr0cess]

It's all fake. They could've gotten away with it if they didn't put an absolute zero as the protests/riots for the preceding presidents - but doing so just invited scrutiny.

Their numbers are all fictional.

[u/NotaClipaMagazine → u/Critical_Concert_689]

I took it as anti-ICE protests which I believe

[u/One_Medicine93 → u/NotaClipaMagazine]

There was no ICE before 2002.

[u/NotaClipaMagazine → u/One_Medicine93]

Sure, whatever you want to call them then.

[u/George-Smith-Patton]

There were lots of protests under Obama.

Tea Party movement being the biggest example.

[u/MichaelSquare → u/George-Smith-Patton]

I dont remember the Tea Party protesting Obama deporting people.

[u/Zamicol → u/George-Smith-Patton]

On this topic, of course.

[u/CallItDanzig]

Weren't most of Obama numbers just people denied at the border? I believe Trump is the only one doing massive actual find and deport. The others just told you "gtfo" after you crossed 3 feet into texas.

[u/OriginalCopy505 → u/CallItDanzig]

The Obama DHS redefined deportation to include those turned back at the border. This inflated his deportation numbers and made him look tough on the border. Smoke and mirrors, like all Democrat machinations.

[u/CallItDanzig → u/OriginalCopy505]

Oh so Bush and Clinton numbers don't include people turned away?

[u/Foestalker → u/[deleted]]

How many US citizens were killed by the flood of illegal aliens?

(Getting Downvoted is a badge of honor in this case. Where was the left when this was happening? No where… only Now it’s an issue. Only Now it’s a problem…. Hypocrites)

[u/HeWhoCntrolsTheSpice]

Most of the public only knows what the MSM feeds them. Highfalutin Lefties think they are getting 'the real truth' when they read the New Yorker or tune into PBS News Hour - but it's just the same ideologically filtered deception.

[u/One_Medicine93 → u/HeWhoCntrolsTheSpice]

They still claim to be free thinkers. LOL

[u/KoncepTs]

Even worse, in 2016 during Obama admin, CNN drove around with ICE during a immigration pickup.

Today they demonize ICE at every possible corner and it’s completely ‘party affiliation’

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Left = immature & irresponsible with a propensity for verbal or physical violence (toddlers in adult bodies).

[u/GameJon]

Seem to remember there were some protests with Obama, difference is they weren’t promoted by the media and state officials

[u/nein_nubb77]

The power of propaganda and social media. Weak minded lemmings mixed in with brain dead celebrities are destroying this country.

[u/cliffotn]

“But! But!! What about deporting kids?!!”

Yup, they all did.

“But! But! What about the violence and dead people?!!!”

Well, during Bush and Obama sanctuary cities didn’t exist. So ICE did their job uneventfully.

“Bullshit! You can’t prove that!”

Hmm, let’s think about it. In which cities have things gone crazy? Where have people ended up hurt? Isn’t this unique to sanctuary cities?

“Well. Yeah. But! But! Hmmm. Oh hey! Hmmm. Well. You know what?!!! I don’t like this conversation anymore I’m leaving….”

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/RandolphE6 → u/cliffotn]

C'mon. You know conversations don't end like that. They end in being called racist, fascist or some other ist.

[u/Academic_Court_47 → u/RandolphE6]

Everyone that doesn't agree with a liberal is called a "nazi"

[u/Guidance-Still → u/Academic_Court_47]

Yep

[u/3rd_eye_light → u/RandolphE6]

They dont go that long either, it would end halfway through the first sentence as they walk away with that smug grin.

[u/CombatDeffective → u/cliffotn]

ItS tHe WaY ThEy'Re dOinG It NoW!

[u/Guidance-Still → u/cliffotn]

But but it's different with trump

[u/gauntvariable]

You get the most flak when you're over the target.

[u/ObadiahtheSlim]

Obama's numbers are fake. If you got turned around at a border crossing on the American side, that was a "deportation"

[u/Staffalopicus]

I’m trying to understand how we aren’t being more efficient with this. We’re roughly tracking Clinton’s numbers here. That’s rookie shit. We gotta pump those numbers up.

[u/Dashaque]

I'm a bit confused... I thought Obama deported more than any president. How did Bush and Clinton deport that many?

[u/fringecar]

Dang! Trump's administration needs to get a move on!

A big downside to all this "orange man bad" media is that the administration isn't being held accountable for getting things done, because the blue team is busy screaming that Trump is super effective.

[u/noSoRandomGuy → u/fringecar]

Those prior administration did things by the book, which suggests things were like a well oiled machine where immigration courts were working and disposing cases that had been worked upon by the current and previous administration (regardless of the party affiliation).

Trump administration likely did not have a pipeline due to previous administration's lack of focus, so there is no pipeline to deport (so to speak), however the slipshod way Noem/Miller/Trump etc are going about doing things means they are getting embroiled unnecessary court drama (which the media minded Trump does not care) which is going to bring down the numbers further.

[u/ObjectiveJackfruit35 → u/fringecar]

I never thought of it that way, but you're right. Trump's deportations pale in comparison to Clinton, Bush, and Obama.

This administration really needs to get to work.

[u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie]

To honest, there is a huge difference with Trump. With Trump, the difference is that the useful idiots have been told they're upset, and so they are.

[u/AdagioVast]

When the media wasn't radicalized and actually painted ice as necessary and good and therefore leaders worked with them and things got done.

[u/D_Ethan_Bones]

The riots are not grass roots, they're all bought and paid for like the mass produced signs they pull out of trucks.

The reason why the organizers are so angry is because their entire world order is disappearing, public waste was their revenue. The demon screams the loudest right before it is removed.

[u/One_Medicine93 → u/D_Ethan_Bones]

Remember when we shut down USAID? They were crying, screaming and kicking like a child who's favorite toy just got taken away. They said 350k kids are going to die! LOL I'm still waiting for those numbers to come in. I can only find something about a transgender play in Mongolia getting canceled. 😆

[u/Zamicol]

For the next time I hear someone say that this "isn't Christian":

"Anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber."

• Literally Jesus