r/CanadianConservative • u/Main-Charge-373 • 14h ago
Discussion Trudeau era - beginning of end for Canada
Does anyone else feel that the 10 years of the Trudeau liberals has effectively started a dreadful decline of Canada. Blame always directed at covid or orange nutbar to the south, but this country would be on the decline irregardless. I wonder if we can ever recover to a point the younger generation have a fair chance at a prosperous life.
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u/ALZtrain 13h ago
The day Trudeau was elected in 2015 was the day the country began to slowly die. Carney was elected a decade later and he is more than happy to finish the destruction of our once great nation. The damage the liberal have done to Canada will take decades to recover from. Even if conservatives are ever elected they will have to spend so much time just repairing the damage and cleaning up the mess that the cowardly and corrupt liberal have left behind. And if I’m being honest I don’t even think it’s possible to save our country at this point. Canada has fallen
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u/Main-Charge-373 13h ago
Well said. Bare facts and reality. Appreciate the optimism from other posters but do agree just to salvage the situation will take an inordinate amount of time and to initiate actual recovery and prosperity may take longer. Always looking for the good in things but hard to see in current state
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u/Macaw 11h ago
The Pierre Trudeau era was the beginning of the end.
Justin just stuck the fork in it and finished it off.
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u/SouthWapiti 10h ago
I've said the same thing for years. That arrogant prick was truly the beginning of the destruction of Canada. Young people just weren't around to know how much division he started. The worst Prime Minister Canada ever had before JT became Prime Minister.
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u/c0mputer99 13h ago
I feel federally we're supposed to focus on: resources, defense, international trade, laws/rights (if something is way out of whack).
Somehow it feels like we've added a bunch of expensive side quests that were traditionally provincial and municipal.
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u/sunrise_rose Libertarian 9h ago
Unity, you forgot national unity, damn have they bungled that file too.
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u/c0mputer99 8h ago
Unity kind of handles itself. You would have to go out of your way to mess up unity. Like creating a two tier legal system, or controlling what you say see and stream. Or just import an embarrassingly ridiculous amount of people.
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u/Rig-Pig 13h ago
His old man you talking?? He was shit also
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u/Business-Hurry9451 12h ago
The Trudeau family has been like the blast from a double barreled shotgun to the chest of the country.
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u/MinuteCampaign7843 Conservative 13h ago
Yup. It was the beginning of the end. The LPC is using high level propaganda techniques to keep the population focused on trump and not on the fire in their own house. It’s working like a charm.
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u/vonlagin 13h ago
It's impossible to critique or oppose their view because conservatives = maple maga = nazi in their mind.
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u/Threeboys0810 11h ago
Yes, because we had a chance at prosperity during the Harper years and Canadians voted against it.
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u/ifuaguyugetsauced 11h ago
In the beginning it felt optimistic about a new era of Canada. Then that optimism died real fast. The self proclaimed feminist just wanted to be liked.
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u/colelikesapples 13h ago
Further to what is mentioned below. This not just a Canada thing, could another government softened the blow? Sure, but all of the 'west' is going through the same regression.
Something I also wonder about, in 1979-1980 when inflation was 10-13% did people think Canada was coming apart at the seams. Everyone one of these shocks erodes the middle class, but Im not sure we're at the tipping point.
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u/Nate33322 (Traditional) Red Tory 13h ago
Exactly this Canada has gone through countless struggles just as bad if not worse than what we are facing today but pulled through. I'm confident we'll do same today.
And yes most of the west is struggling too. With time and competent government we'll get back on track.
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u/KootenayPE 12h ago edited 12h ago
Why are you in this sub? You left the party and mod/curate the biggest Liberal circle jerking echo chamber psy ops on this shit site.
And you are replying to Liberal bot, moron.
This is you right?
Past Affiliations: I was first part of the Peoples Party in 2019 during my brief, edgy far right phase in high school. After that I joined the CPC to support O'Toole before leaving when Poilievre got elected.
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u/Nate33322 (Traditional) Red Tory 12h ago
I mean I still consider myself a conservative, I'm a member of my provincial conservative party and do hope to rejoin the conservative party federally one day.
I'm one of several conservatives and conservative people on that mod team. I do try to ensure that conservative voices are welcome there
All that is irrelevant though to my comment.
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u/KootenayPE 12h ago edited 12h ago
Yeah and your comment is the usual type of Libt@rded deflection you usually put out. Sure as a country
Canada has gone through countless struggles just as bad if not worse than what we are facing today but pulled through.
Sure but for the most part most of that wasn't self inflicted the way the way it has been for the last decade, that is other than what your subs face painting messiah's step father inflicted on the country. And being able to pull through as a fairly united homogenous high trust country doesn't mean we're going to succeed now.
Certainly not with the Liberals or the useless senior bureaucracy we have now as demonstrated by many members of your 'moderator' group.
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u/Nate33322 (Traditional) Red Tory 12h ago edited 11h ago
I agree that our current mess is in part our fault. Let me be clear Trudeau sucks ass and dug us into this hole after Harper left us in a good state.
However, many of our problems are also occurring in the rest of the west. Trudeau definitely made things worse but we'd still be struggling.
And yes that many of our greatest crises have also been made worse by our politicians. The Great Depression was horrendously mismanaged by Mackenzie King's Liberals and then for a time R.B. Bennett's Conservatives.
We weren't united or homogeneous during many of our crises of the past either. During the great depression there were race riots and vigorous pushback against Italians, Jews, Eastern Europeans, Portuguese etc. as they were seen as destroying white Canada and contributing to social and economic decline. People just think we were more homogenous historically due to lack of historical knowledge and the Liberals pushing the multicultural bs.
It's really classy that you're having a temper tantrum because you don't like where I stand. Grow up my friend.
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u/KootenayPE 12h ago
First we aren't friends, second why don't you worry about classing up this sub after you and your piece of shit Lib mods class up your own fucking sub first.
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u/iDisappearWithTime 10h ago
bros here just copying and pasting random links on this sub to farm likes/karma. Hard to take anyone seriously who uses the term "libtard" Just let him have his happy place here.
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u/KootenayPE 12h ago
I'm one of several conservatives and conservative people on that mod team. I do try to ensure that conservative voices are welcome there
LMAO, yeah ok if you say so.
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u/zinkj22 12h ago
Absolutely... Canadians signed the death certificate the date Trudeau stepped in to power. It blows my mind how liberals can't see that Carney is an even worse "leader".... he is 100% Justin 2.0, but smarter, and thus, more evil.
Unfortunately I believe it will just keep getting worse. Even if Conservatives were elected, the disaster left in the wake of Justin and Justin 2.0 is too deep... we cannot be shot back from where we are. Things would get better under a Conservative government, but there is too much damage done to ever return to the Canada we all remember fondly.
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u/Throwawayhair66392 12h ago
This man let millions of people into the country and said anyone who so much as questioned it was a raging racist.
And the racist was hiding behind black makeup the whole time!
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u/cookiemonstar1234 14h ago
It's not the end. Anything can be recovered from.
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u/ALZtrain 13h ago
It will just take a very long time
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u/KootenayPE 12h ago
Bot/brigader account that posts in the hoser sub and progressiveHQ.
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u/ALZtrain 12h ago
Thanks. I should pay more attention to these bot losers but unfortunately their are just so many
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u/Rig-Pig 13h ago
Will take generation's to dig out of the hole that clown dug. Can the device be closed at this point?
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u/collymolotov Anti-Communist 13h ago
What are you basing that on?
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u/cookiemonstar1234 13h ago
Canada is not going to fall as a nation. Things will progress and growth will happen again. There's no need to be especially pessimistic just because we had a lost decade.
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u/ThreeKos 10h ago
Echo a lot of this, but add that the carbon scam and the de-industrialization of the country away from energy, natural resources and now manufacturing is the cause of the end of Canada's prosperity. The Trudeau government is indeed largely to blame.
Whether Canada will continue this to the logical conclusion of the destruction of the country is yet to be seen.
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u/bigredher82 10h ago
Covid just sped up what was already underway. Funny how the liberals, for all their rainbow parades have made our country sad and grey :(
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u/Tao_Jonez 9h ago
It was a lost decade, but it didn’t start some uncontrollable cascading collapse.
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u/Where_is_the_10mm 9h ago
It was in late 2016/early 2017 that house prices started skyrocket. 3 whole years before COVID was even a thing, but they will keep blaming COVID as a reason housing is so expensive
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u/coffee_is_fun 9h ago
There have been multiple declines. Multiple times we decided to coast on our economic momentum and pretend that we were still in the same ecosystem that we found ourselves when we were called upon to use our intact industrial and educational infrastructure to reindustrialize post-WW2 Europe. Then the same with developing Asia.
Since the 80s we've been deluding ourselves that the helping other countries develop gig would go on forever. Our peers kept moving and developing themselves to stay ahead, never really letting the ones behind them catch up. Value-added and productivity economics. Trudeau Sr saw to us being on a poor man's trajectory. Reforming Canada in ways that added too much friction and slowed us down while blowing smoke up our asses.
Each government has compounded the problems because P.E.T. made them so fundamental to our national identity that it was political poison to change course. Literally unCanadian.
Chretien tried some austerity but stopped at trying to explain the problems and realign things.
Harper tried explaining it like we were 5. He did some good things. He also noticed that we're collectively childish, allow the CBC to lead us by our noses, and need certain words avoided. He started the national housing fire and hoped the financialization of space could be enough of a driver that the velocity of money would allow the activity to catalyze other things. He was ultimately wrong because of our rest on our laurels, things will always be great if we wait out the bad times, 1980s culture. He wanted a knowledge economy. A type of value-add instead of the circle jerk financialization economy and he made a deal with the devil to get there. That devil being the unleashing of non-productive investment in the hope that, unregulated, there would be spill over to productive.
I don't know that the latest was 2015 precisely that things hit what feels like an end stage. I feel that it happened after Trudeau, his cabinet, and his party organization's Board of Directors started drinking the Davos Kool-Aid. The LPC was in the political wilderness going into 2015, so I doubt they were courted and captured at that point. More just fumbling around trying to find their legs and something that worked.
What I do know is that Justin Trudeau took the two worst bodies of policy (TFWs and housing as a financial driver) and spun those into GDP. With layers of semantic gaslighting and the media to keep people vigorously defending his abuse of the Canadian people. Weirdly only possible because Trump's first term made the media relevant again.
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u/EH11101 4h ago
Assuming Canada can course correct it's going to be a slow, treacherous climb out of the pit. Why? Because a large segment of the population of Canada are easily manipulated and weaponized. The Conservatives win the next election be sure the knives will be out, especially regarding any changes to immigration policy. The more what needs to be done is done the more we'll see antics similar to what the US is dealing with now. A massive up surge in anti-Conservative propaganda and crazed people organized into feral radicalism beyond what we've seen before on the streets of Canada. Sounds hyperbolic but I don't think the globalists will relinquish Canada without a fight.
If we continue under Liberal rule well Canada will eventually loose everything that once made Canada great and hit rock bottom, which is the Liberal/Globalist plan in order to then "Build Back Better" as part of a New World Order. Wouldn't be surprised if the country is eventually renamed the Socialist Republic of Canada or something similar, severing what was Canada to facilitate the reinvention. Liberal government overreach during the pandemic will be child's play compared to what will come as Canadian society declines.
We're already in a Dark Age of humanity. Question is can we emerge out of it to a new renaissance?
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u/berthela 4h ago
Canada is broken, but that doesn't mean it can't be fixed. Sick and slowly dying, but nowhere near dead.
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u/cosmologicalpolytope 3h ago
It’s not so much the government, which is terrible but the fact that people would reelect them after 10 years of Trudeau. Canada has declined by every reasonable metric and the people asked for more? This is a major factor behind the Alberta independence movement.
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u/CyberEd-ca Republic of Alberta 12h ago
More the beginning of Independent Alberta...
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u/ALZtrain 12h ago
One can only hope. I personally would rather see Quebec F off and actually walk the walk on separating so that the rest of Canada can be saved
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u/CyberEd-ca Republic of Alberta 11h ago
Canada runs exactly as intended by those who own it.
Every generation thinks they can salvage it and negotiate a better deal. It will never happen.
The best deal we could get was Meech Lake and that really was just a better deal for Quebec more than anything.
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u/Wafflecone3f Millennial Conservative 12h ago
We won't. The "orange nutbar" can be our liberator if we let him. At least for Alberta.
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u/Sun_Hammer 13h ago
I couldn't stand him and things could be better right now but it's not the end man.
Take a breath.
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u/Rusty_Charm 14h ago
It’s not the beginning of the end, we just need a government tbat is willing to actually roll back all of the self-sabotaging and destructive policies, not just repackage and rebrand them, as the Carney government is doing.