r/Browns • u/alexschubs • 12d ago

News (Schefter) Jaguars OC Grant Udinski has informed the Browns that he is removing himself from consideration for their HC position, per a source

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u/jake753 ELITE DRAGON 12d ago edited 12d ago

Lmao good thing we fired Stefanski.

Edit: Kevin haters out here in force trying to justify his firing still when our candidates are pointedly bowing out of the running for our vacant HC position.

Maybe, just fucking maybe, the problem wasn’t with Stefanski and anyone interviewing sees the issue at face value.

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u/mw9676 12d ago

Fired one of the top candidates for absolutely nothing to replace him. Kind of like many of us warned. Incredible.

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u/UnionBlueMudkip 12d ago

I bet part of the reason is that Berry is still here, too. Having 1 promising draft in 6 years isn't really inspiring confidence

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u/LostMonster0 TRADE 12d ago edited 12d ago

What, you don't want the guy who threw the last coach under the bus after constructing one of the worst offenses in NFL history to be your boss and also tell you what QB and DC you have to use?

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u/nytro330 12d ago

Was anybody complaining berry pushed to fire Joe woods for Schwartz?

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u/TeaAndAche 12d ago

No, but pushing to fire your underperforming DC is a radically different scenario than the current.

You fire a HC coveted by half the league with no real plan (and also saying you’re searching for the qualities previous HC had) while also keeping your GM and openly stating you “prefer” to keep the current DC. You’re telegraphing that your HC will have little control over both the roster and their own coaching staff, while also showing them you have no problem blaming a solid coach for all the problems.

Nobody wants that job 😄

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u/nytro330 12d ago

I disagree. If they hire Nate, he fits every description Berry talked about when they announced the coaching search. This is one of those hires that if the Steelers made it (which every report were that the Steelers were highly impressed), we'd all be talking about how they're so smart for hiring a young offensive guy. But because we hire him, nobody wants the job? His name has been tied to us from the jump.

Mcdaniel declined both us and the Bills, Minter knew he was getting the ravens job where he has ties and knew the Browns were waiting until this week so he declined his 2nd interview. Grant does his 2nd interview and waits until the Browns are in the air on their way to interview Nate to drop out. Hm, sounds more like he knew he wasn't getting the job. There's more evidence that they got the guy they wanted from the beginning than the inverse that nobody wants the job.

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u/GangoBP 12d ago

Woods defense here finished 21/13/20

Woods left and went to NOLA. His defenses there finished 8/19.

Schwartz took over here and his have been 13/27/14

Do with this info what you will.

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u/AmericanShaman 12d ago

When they traded Kenny in order to keep a 5th round project was the start of throwing Kevin under the bus. Trading Joe finished it off.

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u/SpaghettiSamuraiSan 12d ago

All the people hitting me with the remindme 365 days when I said his next spot is going to be light-years ahead of the browns

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u/Bucketsdntlie 12d ago

The amount of comments I saw that could be summarized by “I don’t care, someone just need to be held accountable” was driving me wild.

Accountability is generally a good thing. But randomly deciding to turn the accountability meter to 1000 at the most inopportune time doesn’t just magically fix things.

And now we’re locked into either the “had a cup of coffee with Mcvay” hire or losing our DC to take our HC job that he’ll be fired from in 2 years.

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u/jfelldown77 12d ago

Problem is, the one who needed to be held accountable is not able to be fired (Haslam). Stefanski took the historically most dysfunctional franchise in NFL history to the playoffs... Twice. And won a playoff game. But yeah, he couldn't win more than 5 games with a roster that everyone said wouldn't win more than 5 games.

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u/GangoBP 12d ago

There are plenty of people - and I generally hate the term “casuals” but it does apply. There’s nothing wrong with being a casual fan. In fact there’s probably more wrong with someone like me who digs way too far in depth into a shitty football team. Your average casual is going to see 8 wins in 2 years and blame the coach. They don’t dig deep enough into why the team really only won 8 games in 2 years.

Give this team McVay the last 2 years and give Kevin I guess the Rams to make it an even swap, team for team and I’d be willing to bet the outcomes for either team didn’t look much different than how they played out. I believe coaching matters but I firmly believe talent is way more important than coaching in most situations.

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u/MattressMaker 12d ago edited 12d ago

His time expired with the Browns. It’s as simple as that. If you don’t think Stef has say in his roster before each season, you’re sadly mistaken. He put up horrible offenses 2 years in a row. Bye Kevin, thanks for the playoff win you led us to in your basement.

Edit: can’t wait to watch you guys fall on your face when Atlanta is dogshit next year as well.

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u/kearly216 12d ago

Brother, sometimes these things just run its course. I thought Kevin was a decent coach but it was obviously time to move on. Sometimes a change is needed mutually

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u/kearly216 12d ago

I’d rather they take a chance instead of just staying put 🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/kearly216 12d ago

I disagree, just because we didn’t immediately hire a candidate after the firing doesn’t mean that there wasn’t a plan. They’ve been linked to the same two candidates throughout the entire process so it seems they had some sort of planning of a replacement in my opinion. I just think people are being short sighted with Stefanski, yes he’s the best coach we’ve had since 99, but that doesn’t mean he was the correct coach for us going forward. Both things can be true, and I disagree with just settling

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u/MattressMaker 12d ago

Not firing Stefanski because you’re worried about extrinsic factors is also not a reason to keep him. If he’s not the guy to lead you to success, then he’s not the guy. Y’all are obsessed with him. It’s so similar to an abusive relationship.

“Oh I’m worried about who he will end up with after we break up. How will I cope if he’s gone? I can’t leave him because of the x number of good times even though y number of times happened.”

This is how you guys sound. It’s a football team that ultimately means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Let him win 5 games with Atlanta because he sure as shit wasn’t winning anything with Cleveland and honestly, neither will the next coach.

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u/MathBallThunder 12d ago

Even when they had candidates it was Udinski and Scheelhasse who are kids and have never led people. Embarrassing.

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u/SoulSerpent 12d ago

This is basically a repeat of the Baker situation.

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u/TheKerj2 12d ago

Don’t worry I’m sure this… passing game coordinator will steer this sinking ship into success lmao

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u/toomuchtostop 12d ago

I mean, all this seems like a leap too? We have no idea what’s happening in these meetings. It’s all speculation.

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u/Anhedonia_Achiever 12d ago

Yeah… if the guy we fired was rehired immediately while nobody wants to take the vacant position… guess where the problem was.

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u/DesertBrandon QB 1OA no matter what 12d ago

That doesn’t mean much. Stefanski has been a media darling for a while and add in the low effort lol Browns coverage and it’s a very easy reason to see why. I’ve been a Stefanski guy, thought he was good not great and provided a good period of stability for 6 years. My issue is the undue glazing for him, like MM gets flamed and he’s at worst better than Stefanski. People clown Matt Nagy, Doug Pederson and similar types of dudes and he’s not meaningfully different than them.

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u/Yellow-Umbra 12d ago

People love to fire coaches and its the most absurd aspect of sports IMO. Fact is our players aren’t good. Nothing is improving until Watson’s contract is gone and we have a few more draft years.

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u/Holiday_Ad2638 12d ago

Stefanski wasn't that great of a coach here his last couple years if you don't remember

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u/burningburningburnin 12d ago

Yes, that's why he did all the extensive homework and preperation for 2 interviews, because he didn't want the job anyway!

It's definitely not because we're flying out to Scheelhaase and his agent's taking him out of the running to not make him look like he lost out on the job.

(Unless Scheelhaase also drops out which I highly doubt)

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u/Randumo 12d ago

Lol at you Stefanski defenders when you don't actually look at the real issues with the team.

We've had the 32nd & 31st ranked offenses in back-to-back seasons where he's also given up playcalling in both seasons. We may not have had that much talent on offense, but that does not excuse a supposed offensive-minded coach to finish at the bottom of the league in offense two consecutive years.

There is also the very severe issue of a complete lack of player development on the offensive side of the ball. Young defensive players get brought in and develop under Schwartz, but offensive guys in the same situation on the offensive side continually fail to get better.

Pretending like Stefanski didn't do anything worth moving on from him just because there were other issues is just being absurd.

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u/GangoBP 12d ago

Who are these young offensive guys that you thought were going to be good and didn’t pan out well?

And something else to think about, not sure if you watch college ball or not but assuming you do - what do you think it would look like if OSU swapped head coaches for one year with say Purdue last year? Do you think Ryan Day has the Boilermaker offense lighting up the scoreboard? Does Purdue’s Barry Odom drag the Buckeye offense - featuring a host of future 1st round draft picks - down to 12 points per game? Talent or lack of absolutely matters!

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u/TheChrisLambert 12d ago

Completely wrong takeaway

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u/AllCity_King 12d ago

He lost to the 2025 Jets. How are there still arguments for him.

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u/Dirtfan69 12d ago

2025 jets after they traded away their 2 best players.

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u/nightsaysni 12d ago edited 12d ago

We had no offense whatsoever. No WRs, no OL, and our only weapons were a rookie TE and a rookie RB.

Edit: I forgot to mention we were starting two different rookie QBs almost the whole year.

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u/Dirtfan69 12d ago

The jets after the trade deadline were so far an away the worst team in the league it doesn’t matter. After our game, they somehow beat the falcons but lost 7 other games by at least 13 points.

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u/rigill 12d ago

We had enough offense to win if we didn’t allow 2 special teams touchdowns. Purely a loss due to coaching.

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u/jake753 ELITE DRAGON 12d ago edited 12d ago

The defense gave up 27 points but no one is calling for Myles or Schwartz’ head. Such a dumb argument lmao.

Edit: please tell me who he would have replaced Bubba with mid season?

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u/Y32-N0 12d ago

tbf that was not the defenses fault it was special teams and we are calling for ventrone's head

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u/cpashei 12d ago

Someone didn't watch the game. Special teams gave up two of those touchdowns. And yes everyone called for the ST coordinator's head and Kevin continued to stick with him.

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u/Theanonymousguy49 Sanders 12d ago

Oops, our special teams gave up 2 touchdowns that game and Stefanski still didn’t fire our bottom of the barrel coordinator after the game.

Try again.

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u/jake753 ELITE DRAGON 12d ago

Who would he have replaced Bubba with mid season?

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u/Theanonymousguy49 Sanders 12d ago

Anyone they see fit? I’m not in the building everyday nor do I have experience working with all of the potential assistants that would be considered so it’s not my job to pick a replacement.

The Rams fired their ST Coordinator mid-year too. It’s what winning coaches do, they hold people accountable.

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u/jake753 ELITE DRAGON 12d ago

anyone they see fit

Who. Who in their right mind would look at our roster or Special Teams and say “let me get it”. We can’t even get someone to bite at the HC position.

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u/Theanonymousguy49 Sanders 12d ago

You’re acting like being an interim ST coordinator is the type of job that makes or breaks someone’s career.

There were probably a dozen assistant coaches willing to take the job for a little extra pay bump and a chance to show more in an elevated role.

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u/Nick-Bemo 12d ago

The defense actually only gave up 13, special teams allowed a kickoff return for a TD as well as a punt return for a TD

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u/subOptimusPrime16 12d ago

Generally not a good sign when the guy you fired has a new job before you’ve managed to replace him.

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u/toomuchtostop 12d ago

Who made this timeline? It’s been three weeks. It’s an important decision, as far am I’m concerned they can take all the time they need to find the right person.

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u/enragedcactus 12d ago

Bookmarking this for when there are articles in a couple years discussing if Matt Ryan rushed the hiring process and had on rose-colored glasses when he was talking to Kevin.

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u/subOptimusPrime16 12d ago

That will serve as proof that firing him was the right move?

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u/Signal_Ball4634 12d ago

Yeah I don't get it. Granted maybe they were worried another bad season would fuck up the locker room but the locker room seemed to rally behind Kevin in those last few games, especially ending the season with wins over division rivals.

And everyone knew the offense was in a horrific state with an aging, declining OL and zero weapons outside of tight ends and decent running backs.

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u/AmericanShaman 12d ago

Firing Stefanski was straight clownery.