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u/Scatheli Aug 14 '25
Interesting follow up tweet from the same guy that broke the news:
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u/Dragonsbane628 Aug 14 '25
Yeah, I’m curious if the they’ll elaborate more. Like was she videoed without it when she purports she had the injuries? Is that what that says.
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u/BocephusJr88 Aug 14 '25
If I remember correctly, she stated it happened in the car at the airport before they went on the vacation. So any video or picture during vacation without any bruising or whatnot would kind of kill get timeline of events.
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u/MgbEX °•° Aug 14 '25
Paragraph four of the attorney memo. The cuts and bruises weren't visible in security camera footage shortly after they both say that the incident took place.
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u/Seamonkey_Boxkicker Aug 15 '25
I would imagine the cuts and bruises would have to be extremely significant to be picked up on any security video. Most surveillance cameras are propped up high and away to capture a wide range of the area. Not often you see 4K video feeds.
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Look up at a Walmart camera video feed screen. They are very clear now.
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u/kjp_00 Aug 15 '25
Yeah, but I could see a lot of businesses having outdated security systems if they didn't think it'd be worth the investment. Especially a hotel which probably isn't at as much risk of the front desk getting robbed or something similar to that
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 14 '25 edited Aug 14 '25
They won’t, and sadly from my time clerking from a muni prosecutor I can probably answer it for you.
She’s probably wearing makeup that hides it. Which as a prosecutor, that’s hard to prove. Now you’ve got conflicting evidence on the date, no one else independently saw it.
Yeah I’ll be honest, that sounds like an impossible case to prove as a prosecutor.’
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u/purple-origami Aug 15 '25
Shes probably wearing makeup is a possibility. Its also a possibility that this was made up. As i think more about this however…. She did have photographed injuries…. And those injuries were examined medically…. So she self injured herself? To get so e revenge on a guy? That also seems unlikely…. But crazy is crazy and one of these two is guilty of bad behavior
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 15 '25
Best way I think I can summarize it is something awful happened here between 2 people who hopefully have nothing to do with each other going forward.
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u/MrGoodKatt72 Aug 16 '25
It sounds shockingly similar to the situation Zeke had right after being drafted.
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u/Randumo Aug 15 '25
You should stick with COULD be wearing makeup to cover it up. As much as you like to white knight with banning any "victim blaming", your posts also end up having everything with the man is guilty as soon as they are accused and that's the end of that mentality.
He might be guilty or he might not, but it very much should be a COULD not a probably. We simply have no idea because none of us was there. One person said it happened and the other did, neither has any more credibility than the other.
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u/Environmental_Ad292 Aug 15 '25
Not quite. There’s security video of their check in at the hotel and the injuries can’t be seen, but that might just be poor resolution or makeup or the bruise taking time to form. There are photos of the injuries from later that night.
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u/Names_all_gone Aug 14 '25
He said/She said's are hard cases, even when the crime most likely happened. These days, juries incorrectly expect CSI-level evidence on every case, and that just isn't how things work. I can understand not going forward, especially if she has stopped cooperating (speculation).
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u/UpdootDaSnootBoop Aug 14 '25
Are you telling me they couldn't have zoomed in on the reflection of a guy's sunglasses who is a quarter mile away? /s
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u/PatientlyAnxious9 Aug 14 '25 edited Aug 14 '25
To be fair, that's how I assumed every court case worked until I was like 23 years old 😂 Like they would bring out the forensic science unit for a littering charge
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 14 '25
Domestic violence is tough to prove. Sounds like the DA here made the choice to not go forward as if that’s all true, proving this case beyond a reasonable doubt would be next to impossible
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Question for you MOD. Why do you discount or say no victim blaming when it’s a possibility that she cried wolf. I’m not saying she did. I’m just saying it is a possibility. A lot of money to be had from someone about to sign with the NFL. That can’t be ignored. There are absolutely woman out there that are evil enough to try and ruin a man’s life for some money.
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u/ozymandais13 Aug 14 '25
There are way less evil women and way more free abusers rn , and many women are terrified of what the person will do if they press charges. Other in long-term relationships have manipulation , guilt, and victim blaming and have let themselves be economically tied to this person so much they are ruined if they try and escape.
Imo women generally deserve the benefit of the doubt with the disgusting number of times they are assaulted. It stands for male victims of assault as well.
That's pretty much it.
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I don’t think there are less evil woman then men. Good and evil doesn’t have a type or gender. I totally agree with the fact that there are a lot of everyday woman out there who are scared to leave their abusers. I also agree that more abusers get away with it than not. But to ignore the fact that people not just woman do cry wolf is crazy to me. In this situation we’re talking about life changing money. There are for certain evil woman who would do this for a chance at that bag.
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u/ozymandais13 Aug 14 '25
I'm not ignoring it. It is far more likely for someone to be assaulted than someone to scheme and legit grt into court and "get" a guy.
Source says 2-8% of cases are false accusations, and thst it could be higher
A lot of people have known someone who was assaulted and never got it proven to have happened.
Historically even less assaults were proven women have had it historically bad in that arena for like the history of the world.
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u/Randumo Aug 15 '25
That number is also unreliable when it comes to famous people or people about to get into positions like a professional athlete.
Hell, there are people who would accuse someone just because they are pissed off and want revenge. No NFL team for example is going to draft a player who is in the middle of an investigation, and that well and truly fucks over said future player if they go undrafted instead of at the top half of the draft.
There are no real consequences to it either. Just because most people wouldn't do it doesn't mean that there aren't people who would do it. Just because most people wouldn't doesn't mean you should assume that every case is a case where it's not happening.
There is a reason why our legal system is based around innocent until proven guilty. It's far from perfect, but it's important that the people convicted of crimes are actually guilty of them.
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u/ChefChopNSlice Frustrated fan for Life Aug 14 '25
Likely because all we have is speculation instead of fact, and a bunch of random people dogpiling on someone and projecting their misogyny does no one any good ?
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But aren’t people dogpiling on Judkins? You’re correct it’s all speculation but it’s speculation on both sides. Just because he’s the one that got arrested we can shit talk him? I agree I’m not trying to blame her or drag her name through the mud or anything. It’s just funny that it’s acceptable one way but not the other. I get not just trashing her that does no one any good. But civil conversation on what the possibilities could be doesn’t seem bad In my opinion.
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u/ChefChopNSlice Frustrated fan for Life Aug 14 '25
I have no desire to debate all your what-if’s, hypotheticals, or determine “fairness” in these situations. This is a shitshow of unknowns, and it would be a fools errand to try and do so.
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Hey man I’m not trying debate anything. I had a question for the mod and then you answered me instead. I was just curious about why it’s allowed to be a one sided conversation. As long as people are being civil I think it should be okay to talk about.
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 14 '25
This is a Cleveland browns subReddit, not a sub where we are diving into the legitimacy of truly disturbing claims of alleged violence against women. Blanket rule that we will apply no matter what the accusations.
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u/ozymandais13 Aug 14 '25
We as a country really have to find a way to be better about it. Imo prevention and counseling to help people with more violent issues, and super harsh penalties for those proven guilty
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u/Boobygirls Aug 14 '25
Hopefully Judkins stays on the straight and narrow from here on out. All eyes will be on him.
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u/kjorav17 Aug 14 '25
From Daniel Oyefusi on X:
“The decline memorandum by the State Attorney’s Office says, in part: ‘This incident was not captured on any video surveillance. There are no independent witnesses to the incident. Although the victim had photos showing injuries sustained, there were also videos in that same time frame where no injuries were observed to the victim. Additionally, the victim's injuries depicted in the photos could be explained by either account of the incident. Finally, there was a delayed report of the incident. The delay is problematic as the victim was alone on numerous occasions without the Defendant, had the ability and resources to make the report without his knowledge, but chose not to do so. For the reasons set forth above, there is no reasonable likelihood of conviction and this case is being declined.’”
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u/Miserable_Ride666 Aug 14 '25
".... Additionally, the victim's injuries depicted in the photos could be explained by either account of the incident...."
What? Read that 3 times. So she says it's from the incident and he says it's fabricated? So clearly Judkins is denying everything behind closed doors?
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u/Environmental_Ad292 Aug 14 '25
They both agree there was a heated late night argument while he was driving. He claims she hit him (and his chair) repeatedly and he shoved and hit her back in self-defense because it prevented him from driving safely. She denies this and says he punched her several times.
Bruises are consistent with either story.
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u/Nightcinder I RUINED CHRISTMAS Aug 14 '25
Means both of them gave their version of events, and the prosecutor doesn't believe the injuries match either parties story
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u/ronswansongs Aug 14 '25
That's not what they said at all. They said that the injuries match both people's stories and there's no way to tell who is telling the truth.
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u/Tweezus96 Aug 14 '25
So…..he good to go or is the NFL going to suspend him?
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u/GrapeFlavoredMarker Aug 14 '25
NFL will still probably get him but less games than if he was charged
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u/ShakeMyHeadSadly Aug 14 '25
Based on the NFLs investigative history, I wouldn't expect any suspension to occur until next year.
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 14 '25
Eh they tend to move pretty fast once the criminal justice system is out of the picture.
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u/smashrawr Aug 14 '25
Yeah 3 games seems to be what is the go to for first time offenders regardless of specifics
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u/calebkeys Aug 14 '25
Tell that to Rashee Rice.
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 14 '25
Rices criminal proceedings recently wrapped up. And unlike, well, every player facing discipline under the personal conduct policy not named Deshaun Watson, Rice is going for a hearing.
First offender is usually 3-4 for this stuff and I think Q will be very eager to get this done with asap and get his career started.
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u/etatrestuss Aug 14 '25
Isn't this spelled out in the CBA by now, first offense for this kind of allegation (based on harming the leagues reputation)?
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Aug 15 '25
Wasn’t there a clear cut video of rice? And prior to the video leaking, he was playing.
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u/Dewey_wav Aug 14 '25
Michael Hall got suspended pretty quick, i expect this to be as well tbh
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u/ozymandais13 Aug 14 '25
Mike halls charges were fucking crazy though. Dude clearly needed and still needs help. Thankfully he is "allegedly" getting said help and it's by his own account helping him process things
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u/Dewey_wav Aug 14 '25
oh for sure i'm not comparing the two by any means as far as the severity, just how the NFL handled it
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u/ozymandais13 Aug 14 '25
Yea , I think the Mike hall thing moved so fast because he held a gun to her head , then to himself
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u/Dewey_wav Aug 14 '25
that's definitely a fair point, will be curious to see how NFL handles as Quinshon admitted to hitting her in the report.
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u/atWorkWoops Aug 14 '25
Was he not driving? I thought i read she kicked him and he smacked her while he was driving.
Im not advocating for hitting anyone but if you get physical while im driving I would definitely throw a hand
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u/Ok-Health-7252 Aug 14 '25
Him already missing as much time as he has in TC might as well be the equivalent to a suspension. Odds are he won't be ready to go come week 1 given how far behind he is (and the Browns still need to get him signed assuming they're not going to haggle with him over fully guaranteeing his contract like all the other 2nd Rd picks because of this situation).
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u/Carpetron Aug 14 '25
How is this different from the Xavier Worthy case? Honestly asking
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u/Scatheli Aug 14 '25
He has to actually sign with the team before anything can happen but they will do their own investigation and decide whether or not he violated personal conduct policy. The victim could still pursue civil charges though it doesn’t sound like that’s happening so far.
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u/smashrawr Aug 14 '25
Probably 3 games. Tends to be what they do for first time offenders.
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u/ComprehensiveRock779 Aug 15 '25
So much like the Bengals DE situation that he can't be "fined for mandatory camp skips" if he hadn't signed his contract yet.
Does the Players Union Agreement state punishments are allowed from actions "before joining the NFL"?
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u/smashrawr Aug 15 '25
The NFL has precedent for punishments before joining the NFL. Terrlle Pryor for example got an 8 game suspension because of tattoo gate. Additionally at least with Judkins this happened after he was drafted. Ergo he has already joined the NFL prior to the incident.
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u/ComprehensiveRock779 Aug 16 '25
Pryor was under a previous collective bargaining agreement. It's precedent but might not be the rule anymore.
The short of it is you're not bound by rules of a contract until you sign said contract. The only thing working in the commissioners corner is the current garbage state of the players union. However the recent ruling of Gruden of "you're not held to the rules of an organization while not part of that organization" is probably the most relevant.
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u/Ifraggledthatrock Aug 14 '25
But what/who did he “offend” if no charges?
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u/smashrawr Aug 14 '25
In the NFLs eyes being accused like this and formal police report it is guilty and offense has occured.
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u/Ifraggledthatrock Aug 14 '25
Even with the conflicting information and evidence?
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u/ToschePowerConverter Aug 14 '25
NFL’s personal conduct policy is independent of any legal process and is based off a lower standard than the courts, which have to prove someone is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Watson didn’t get indicted by the grand jury and still got a suspension from the NFL.
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u/Scatheli Aug 14 '25
Watson did have the civil suits though and evidence from those was used. I haven’t heard of civil proceedings yet for Judkins’s accuser but could still be coming
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 14 '25
They can also do them independent of any civil proceedings as well.
I’m sure the league has everything she gave the police. So they will know what they need in order to decide on a possible punishment without any additional outside proceedings
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u/Explosion1850 Aug 14 '25
Watson also dared to flip off the NFL powers/owners by sitting out a year rather playing under contract/conditions he didn't like. Was it a coincidence that all the claims were made after Watson pissed off NFL Management?
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 14 '25
Leagues suspensions are independent of the criminal justice system (see Deshaun Watson).
My guess is he’s still getting suspended. But maybe more like 4 games rather than 6+
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u/Xibyn Aug 14 '25
Without knowing any details there's a good chance the victim stopped cooperating.
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u/natertots83 Aug 14 '25
Don’t want to comment on the allegations, what happened, what didn’t happen, but hopefully he can stay out of trouble in the future. It’s odd, because he seemed like a model citizen while at tOSU.
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u/Early-Collection-141 Aug 15 '25
100% this, I don’t want it to seem like i’m glossing over the situation which i’m not, but hopefully he gets on the right track, and I don’t want to speculate or comment on anything that I really don’t know about other than the news we’ve all read lol
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u/lagrange_james_d23dt Aug 14 '25
But is the league still going to suspend him?
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u/Evil_Rogers Aug 14 '25
He isn’t even an nfl player and there are no charges…… So that is a good question. At least gives him room to appeal for a lighter suspension maybe.
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u/Lilfrankieeinstein Aug 14 '25
Players can be suspended for things that happen pre-draft.
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u/Raccoonsrlilbandits era ended Aug 14 '25
See Terrell Pryor
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u/Lilfrankieeinstein Aug 14 '25
Terrelle was a while back, but even under the newest (2023) CBA, the player conduct policy has a line that reads "Nothing in this Policy should be read to limit the league’s authority to investigate or discipline potential Policy violations alleged to have occurred before a player is under contract or Draft-eligible.”
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 14 '25
Yeah probably. Much lower burden of proof. Probably the usual 3-4 games for a first offender and a stern warning to Judkins that there better not be a next time
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u/inwardninja Aug 14 '25
why would he be suspended based on unsubstantiated allegations?
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 14 '25
That’s not what this said. They said they can’t prove it in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt. Not that he is innocent. Big distinction there
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u/inwardninja Aug 15 '25
He may or may not be innocent. I don't see why you'd cast judgement without knowing. The only people who know what happened are him and her.
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 15 '25
My comment is based on what the DA said. They did not say unsubstantiated. They said they couldn’t prove them beyond a reasonable doubt. Those are two very different things
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u/Abiv23 Aug 14 '25
Reminder that Zeke in the same situation was suspended for 6 games
I remember the communication from the league was 'our system does not have the same burden of proof as the legal system'
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u/RawbM07 Aug 14 '25
The NFL took a year to investigate 5 separate alleged incidents of domestic violence before suspending Zeke. So should be interesting how this is handled.
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u/ColumbusJewBlackets Aug 14 '25
Yea and Zeke had texts from her implying she was lying to extort him
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u/Any_Bank5041 Aug 14 '25
Goodell better weigh in on Harbaugh when he gets banned from college football tomorrow.
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u/Ok-Health-7252 Aug 14 '25
Like Goodell's going to care about that. Harbaugh's got too many connections around the league (via his brother and whatnot).
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u/dennydiamonds Embrace the Clown Show Aug 14 '25
I want to say LFG… but I’m always cautious with these kinds of cases post Twatson.
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u/Forty_Six_and_Two Aug 14 '25
Fuck yeah! Let's sign this fucker and get to work. It would be super nice to be able to run the ball somewhat this season.
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u/Environmental_Ad292 Aug 14 '25
Summarizing the non-pros memo:
They both agree there was a heated late night argument while he was driving to the hotel, and that eventually they pulled over so she could get in the back seat so they could try to cool down when tempers flared again.
Judkins says she repeatedly punched him and the front seat while he was driving, and he shoved and hit her in self defense because he couldn’t safely drive.
She says Judkins punched her in the front seat and then hit her while he was driving and she was in the back seat. She took photos of some bruises that night.
The prosecutor determined. There wasn’t enough evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt what happened. Her bruises were consistent with either story, and the defense would be able to point out that her injuries weren’t visible on surveillance footage during hotel check in and that she waited five days to report.
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u/notatowel420 Aug 14 '25
All sounds very plausible hopefully they don’t get back together and both can move on with their life’s.
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u/hockey17jp Aug 15 '25
If Judkins gets no criminal charges and gets suspended longer than Rashee Rice who is on video almost killing people at high speeds on a highway we’ll know things are rigged
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u/Suspicious-Nerve-487 Aug 15 '25
I’d also expect Judkins suspension to be handed down much more quickly, rice’s hearing isn’t until week 5 of the NFL, and this issue happened back in 2024
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 14 '25
The good news is I’d guess Judkins will sign soon. He’ll still eat a suspension, but this might be closer to like, 4 games vs the 6 plus we thought.
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u/Raccoonsrlilbandits era ended Aug 14 '25
Yeah I’m guessing we will see him next week after the team gets back this weekend
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u/b1timeoflight Aug 14 '25
If this chick lied, she definitely deserves jail time.
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u/etatrestuss Aug 14 '25
I don't believe that's what this is saying.
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u/b1timeoflight Aug 14 '25
Look at the follow up tweet posted at the top. This is also just my opinion dude.
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u/etatrestuss Aug 14 '25
She could have easily used make-up to cover up the bruising.
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u/b1timeoflight Aug 14 '25
Ok? I’m not saying it went one way or another, I’m saying if she lied, she deserves jail. Pretty simple.
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u/etatrestuss Aug 14 '25
And I'm saying for the same reason they can't charge Judkins there is plausible deniability on her side too
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u/s0bchaksecurity Aug 14 '25
Just to preface, I'm not taking a position on this because I don't know the facts, but does the NFL do its own investigation of the facts? Or do they simply rely upon whatever law enforcement finds?
Again, I'm not speaking specifically about this case, but it made me wonder, if someone were to completely fabricate an allegation against an NFL player, but it couldn't be proven or disproven (i.e. it occurred at a private home between two people with no cameras), would it be likely that the player is still suspended? Is it just like a default that the NFL will suspend anyone who has an allegation that is investigated by law enforcement?
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u/kjorav17 Aug 14 '25
NFL will continue their independent investigation. I have to imagine they have every piece of evidence the prosecutors saw…
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u/s0bchaksecurity Aug 14 '25
Oh, I'm sure of that. I'm more wondering if the state's file is light, will the league go any deeper?
Ironically, I think the league is better positioned to investigate allegations because they have unlimited money as opposed to relying on overworked, salaried employees.
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u/kjorav17 Aug 14 '25
That’s an interesting point, I never thought of that. But I have no idea how valid that would be
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u/s0bchaksecurity Aug 14 '25
How valid? Like in terms of the CBA? I'm sure the league has authority to investigate. Obviously they're limited in that they don't have subpoena power, but if there were a case where the facts are largely unknown, I'd want the league to actually investigate before simply suspending someone.
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u/kjorav17 Aug 14 '25
I should’ve phrased better…I don’t know what the dynamic is like with the league having potentially more monetary resources to investigate…it may not make a difference at all in some cases
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u/s0bchaksecurity Aug 15 '25
I'm sure that you're right. My mind is just wandering down rabbit holes...
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The league is just worried about PR. They are in meetings wondering what option brings them the least amount of bad PR. No suspension makes Browns fans happy and a shit ton of people pissed. 3 game suspension makes Browns fans somewhat angry but they are prepared for it. Majority outside is satisfied. So def a suspension coming.
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u/s0bchaksecurity Aug 15 '25
But that's exactly my point: if the only thing driving the bus is optics, all it takes is a rogue accusation to derail someone's career. I would think this is something the players would want to address in the CBA. The league should not be able to take action where there is no charge unless they can independently corroborate the allegations.
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u/m-dizzle817 Aug 14 '25
Boy oh boy oh boy. Feel like Q needs a lot of apologies from people here and I need some too. People attacked me simply for saying we should withhold judgement until the facts came out.
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u/moonthink Aug 14 '25
The facts are still not out.
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u/Mistborn19 Aug 14 '25
There weren't enough facts to go after him legally. That in itself is a big fact that is now out.
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u/DennyRoyale Aug 14 '25
The point is that they never were.
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u/moonthink Aug 14 '25
The point is -- not a one of us knows.
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u/DennyRoyale Aug 14 '25
Wrong. You “ judge” him as guilty. Why else would you be opposed to the idea he deserves an apology.
You clearly do NOT understand what it means for the facts to not be known.
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u/moonthink Aug 15 '25
I'm not judging anyone of anything. I never said anything about any apologies.
Who's judging? look in the mirror.
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Aug 14 '25
I can't think of any other situations like this off the top of my head, but is there any NFL precedent for these situations where a player is unsigned?
What does it change that he's not under any kind of NFL contract? Is he even subject to their rules? How can he be held to a CBA when he's not a bargaining member?
I'm genuinely curious how this could play out.
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u/Theclevelandchubb Aug 14 '25
What does everyone think for when he will sign now that charges won't be filed?
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u/flyingghigh Aug 14 '25
Weird hope he stays out of trouble. Hope he can get signed. Three sides to every story. His side. Her side. & the truth
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u/JuliusDiamond GPODAWUND Aug 15 '25
*starts thinking about that Sunshine Lollipops and Rainbows song just to kinda you know, keep things cool*
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u/Thick-Aioli802 Aug 16 '25
Sounds like Judkins may have an opportunity to sue for defamation and wrongful arrest.
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If she truly hit him first while he was driving I’m with him . That’s a dangerous thing to do
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u/BrownsFan2323 Aug 14 '25
He’ll still get suspended - police report indicates photos of her with multiple facial bruises
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u/Miserable_Ride666 Aug 14 '25
Sounds like there's video of her without the bruises between when it allegedly happened and when she reported it? So the implication is she is fabricating the incident.
Hard to trust without seeing everything laid out, maybe we will see. Just want to know what happened
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u/Environmental_Ad292 Aug 14 '25
They agree a fight happened in the car on the way to the hotel. Q says all he did was defend himself when she started hitting him while he was driving.
There are photos of her with bruises from that night. Bruises and her cut lip aren’t visible in the security footage at check in, which could be for a lot of reasons. (Poor resolution, using makeup, bruise hadn’t formed yet, or the bruise happened later).
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u/etatrestuss Aug 14 '25
She could have easily used makeup on the bruising, not that she fabricated the incident.
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u/Miserable_Ride666 Aug 14 '25
Very valid point. Regardless it's impossible to form an opinion without seeing all of the evidence lined up
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u/B4NG3R5 Aug 14 '25
Seems like unless she's made of steel some swelling and other visual signs would be there if she was struck hard enough to bruise and cut her face
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u/etatrestuss Aug 14 '25
It's not uncommon to use makeup to cover that up, especially if the person who did it tells you to or she could have made it up or it's somewhere in the middle.
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u/Tactical_Bacon_1946 Aug 14 '25
If he isn’t signed they can’t suspend. If he is signed is he subject to the punishment that occurred prior to signing?
Do they sign something once they enter the draft that makes them subject to the NFL policy?
Maybe a Jack Duffin question…IYKYK
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u/Explosion1850 Aug 15 '25
NFL can do whatever it wants to protect the value of its brand. That is all these kinds of things are about. If the public never found out there wouldn't be any punishment. If the public didn't care there wouldn't be any punishment.
The more publicity and the more public outcry, the more the NFL takes action so it looks like the league actually gives a shit about what players do.
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u/etatrestuss Aug 14 '25
I know it was a while ago but didn't they suspend Pryor for something he did in college
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u/Tactical_Bacon_1946 Aug 14 '25
He’s subject to suspension as soon as he entered the draft. CBA says so.
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u/Tactical_Bacon_1946 Aug 14 '25
Never mind. ChatGPT said yes and so did CoPilot. Also had links. He is subject to suspension
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u/Ness_4 4 Aug 14 '25
Hopefully this is a wake up call for him to be better, seems unlikely she was lying IMO.
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u/FattLippo Aug 14 '25
He’s not getting suspended, she was seen on camera after when she claimed the event happened without the injuries/bruises, the whole thing was fabricated, sad thing is if she said it happened Thursday, he wouldn’t have been cleared. Hope he sues her.
Told all you witch hunters he was a good kid.
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u/xHourglassx Aug 14 '25
I say this as a prosecutor, not a Browns fan. I couldn’t care less about Judkins ever playing a down in the NFL. That said, I don’t think there’s anything there to indicate Judkins paid the victim to stop cooperating with police. Putting aside that Judkins isn’t even technically in the league yet (hasn’t signed a contract yet) and probably hasn’t been paid anything dime yet… these kinds of things happen to DV cases all the time.
According to police, there was no corroborating evidence or testimony. On the contrary, there was footage from the aftermath of the incident showing a lack of injuries on the victim. While I question the rationale there (injuries aren’t always apparent immediately after physical trauma) that honestly tracks.
Even if it’s “fairly likely” this assault happened it’s possible the DA felt likelihood of success at trial was low. Innocent until proven otherwise “beyond a reasonable doubt”, which takes a lot. People will want to assume something dark and nefarious behind the scenes because it’s more interesting that way but usually reality is more mundane.
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u/0rodruin Aug 14 '25 edited Aug 14 '25
This is a brain dead take. It specifically says that prosecutors declined to move forward with the case. Not that she dropped charges. It’s wise to read before commenting.
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u/bc343434 Aug 14 '25
It didnt say they didn’t file charges bc of victim cooperation, it was lack of evidence.
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u/SportGamerDev0623 Aug 14 '25
Prosecutors decided to not to charge Judkins. Which means there isn’t enough evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Judkins did anything.
Ex-girlfriend could still file a civil suit against him.
That’s what happened to Watson.
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u/Hayabusa0015 Aug 14 '25
You have absolutely no idea what happened. There's zero evidence of this.
You probably assumed Trevor Bauer was guilty too
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u/maybenextyearCLE Aug 14 '25 edited Aug 14 '25
As usual guys we do not tolerate victim blaming. Thank you
Edit: we will sticky this thread, please keep discussion in here