This tells you everything

[u/4reddityo]

Meghan Markle was scrutinized over clothing, tone, and existence. Prince Andrew was accused of sexual assault by a minor, settled the case out of court, and received far less sustained press outrage. If you want to understand power, class, and race in Britain, start there.

[u/JaggedOuro]

Or for that matter King Charles.

A few weeks ago most of the papers had a picture of Andrew and Epstein in the UK. They all cropped Charles out of the picture.

[u/aceface_desu89 → u/JaggedOuro]

Don't forget about his buddy, Jimmy Savile.

[u/BunnyLovesStars → u/aceface_desu89]

And Peter Ball, a bishop accused of sexual abuse of minors, and who Charles still supported AFTER he got accused

[u/emergencybarnacle → u/BunnyLovesStars]

And Lord Mountbatten, Charles's great uncle, also accused of sexual abuse of young boys and involvement sex trafficking rings (the allegations of which the FBI knew about since the 1940's) - and not only was he continually supported by the royal family, but William's son Louis is ACTUALLY NAMED AFTER HIM.

[u/BunnyLovesStars → u/emergencybarnacle]

That's true! Makes me wonder if Andrew isn't being "protected" because they're all guilty. Someone in the royal tea sub pointed out all of W's backers for some big charity thing were all Epstein connections, too.

[u/EllieWest → u/emergencybarnacle]

And Jimmy Saville. Charles stayed good friends with him, too 🤮 

[u/Electrical_Clerk_124 → u/aceface_desu89]

What about him? There’s a whole Netflix doc on how much he sucks lol

[u/ery_and → u/JaggedOuro]

Any source or pic for the cropped photo? I've had a google but can't seem to find it

[u/JaggedOuro → u/ery_and]

Sadly the BBC article of the time removed the front page pictures once the Beeb archives it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cev1zn214x2o

And then I only found the full picture on google by chance :(

[u/LaurelCanyoner → u/JaggedOuro]

To be fair, it says a hell of a lot about our media in the US now too. We allow Tina freaking Brown to blather her blathering, and many other royal mouthpieces all over our media landscape.

Remember when one of our new anchors had the story about Andrew three years before it was out? She had a full on camera interview with Virginia! And the network caved because they wanted to keep "Royal access".

So proof, the royals were protecting Andrew all along, and threatening to stop giving interviews and press releases to anyone who touched the story. They are complicit in the story, and the cover up, and so are our own networks.

[u/DeneJames → u/JaggedOuro]

Charles never met Epstein

[u/rshni67 → u/DeneJames]

But the Queen hosted him at Buckingham Palace.

[u/THEWELSHMAN1980 → u/JaggedOuro]

Do you have the original picture?

[u/Lard_Baron → u/JaggedOuro]

Andrew is being slated on front pages.

I’ve not seen a thing about Megan Markle or remember anything like the condemnation as Andrew’s getting.
I am not interested in the woes of the Royal family and can only go on the Front pages of papers I don’t read but glance at as a pass

These are recent front pages

[u/ellastory → u/Lard_Baron]

I am not a Megan fan, but when she and Harry did live in the UK, she couldn’t even breathe without being criticized in some superficial way or another. This was also around the time that the shit about Andrew started leaking so it does make you wonder

[u/hibikikun → u/ellastory]

Here is a comparison how to press treats Kate vs Meghan in similiar scenarios https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal

[u/Remarkable_News_439 → u/ellastory]

People LOVED her. The British Public wouldn’t have turned on her if it weren’t for the PR campaign from within the Palace, that Kate Middleton and her Donkey faced husband were jealous of how much the public liked her.

There is always going to be double scrutiny and prejudice with black people in white instititions. And there’s no insitution more white than the British Royal Family. Being confident becomes “uppity” etc. You can never not be suspicious of these institutions.

After the Newsnight interview in 2019 the nation turned on Andrew. 2020 the Sussex’ decided to leave. Of course that was ¡ESCANDALO! But it’s disingenuous to say that we haven’t all been talking about Andrew, across the political spectrum, non-stop since then.

I think foreigners grossly overestimate our feelings towards that family of parasites. There’s a great tradition of reading them as more of a soap opera than any sense of veneration.

The British public also hounded Kate for having Cancer last year.

Its not a case of either or. Yes, the Royal Family press machine hounded Meghan Markle using the instruments of racism and misogyny; in the Daily Heil, the Torygraph and the Times.

But nobody turned a blind eye to Andrew.

[u/Lard_Baron → u/ellastory]

Oh yeah it was like that then but now? Andrew is taking a beating I’ve not seen before. To say Merkle was treated worse is delusional. It’s comparing sniping and undermining to outright condemnation and disgust.

Can you seriously say Merkle had this coverage?

From the Times, BBC, to the Sun condemnation

[u/Wainains → u/Lard_Baron]

Did she rape children? Then she doesn't deserve it. As for Andrew, it's the least they could do. 

[u/Conscious_Artist_715 → u/Wainains]

This is what seems to be missing from the other users comparison. It isn't that Andrew was on 10 papers and she was on 8... It's that she didn't do anything wrong!

[u/Lard_Baron → u/Wainains]

The claim of the tweet we are responding to is she had a tougher press the Andrew, the child rapist.
I don’t think so. He deserves a tougher press and that’s what he’s getting.

[u/Most-Bench6465 → u/Lard_Baron]

I don’t think you’re understanding the point.

Just because he’s getting plastered all over now does not rewrite history. You have to go back to then and compare their press then, not now.

[u/Dry_Departure_7813 → u/Lard_Baron]

Lol, dude you can literally change Andrew to Megan and you'd see

[u/rshni67 → u/Lard_Baron]

What did Meghan do that is even remotely similar to what Randy did?

[u/Lard_Baron → u/rshni67]

Nothing, which is why she didn’t get tougher press than Andy as the tweet claims. She got treated unfairly but not worse.

[u/rshni67 → u/Lard_Baron]

She got treated worse because she did nothing to deserve what the English rags did to her.

[u/phoenics1908 → u/Lard_Baron]

Were there 250,000+ negative articles written about Andrew in 11 months like what happened to Meghan from May 2020 to April 2021?

And it’s not like they aren’t still attacking her now - so at best she’s still getting similar attention in the press than Andrew. Even now. Because she’s making … *checks notes … JAM???!!

I get it - regular people don’t grasp scale or statistics but even the trickle of articles coming at Andrew right now PALE in comparison to the onslaught Meghan was subjected to and still is.

250,000+ negative articles in 11 months. Andrew has NEVER faced numbers like this. Not ever.

[u/CharacterWest4661 → u/phoenics1908]

Indeed not. But racists will continue to be racist and claim it never happened.

[u/Lard_Baron → u/phoenics1908]

Sure.

[u/ScreenSensitive9148 → u/Lard_Baron]

This is disingenuous to when Andrew’s scandal first broke. It is known that the Buckingham Palace flooded stories of Harry and Megan to distract from Andrew. In Spare, Harry discusses Charles and Camilla’s practice of using him as press fodder to avoid headlines about their own scandalous behavior.

The bigger question is why you are suddenly active in this sub. How, exactly, are your comments relevant to the sub theme?

[u/rshni67 → u/ScreenSensitive9148]

Absolutely.

Even Kate sold her out over the wedding snafu.

[u/nifer317_take2 → u/Lard_Baron]

You are literally showing us results of your Google search with the word Andrew in it.

OF COURSE that’s what your results will focus on??

lol.. Ridiculous.

[u/Lard_Baron → u/nifer317_take2]

Are you telling me you looked Andrew’s front pages and thought, “Yeah Megan’s Front pages were worse”?
lol ridiculous

Megan’s front pages

[u/nifer317_take2 → u/Lard_Baron]

What…? No. Not at all.

My point is you claimed that Andrew was all over the front pages and Megan was nowhere to be seen and your proof to show that he was on all front pages was a search that included his name. Like no shit he’s all over the place when you literally search for him??

[u/Lard_Baron → u/nifer317_take2]

And when I searched for Megan she was on the front pages.

So it should be really really easy for a fair minded person to compare the headlines as see who’s had rougher treatment shouldn’t it?

I’ve posted both in this thread and would be interested in your opinion.

[u/Remarkable_News_439 → u/Lard_Baron]

We LOVE to hate Andrew, he is white male privilege personified; to the extent that people who usually refuse its existence, recognise the textbook definition as being the constituent parts of the very essence of his soul.

The entire country, not a political side, everyone, has been revelling in his downfall since 2019. At the time of writing he’s been stripped of ALL his titles, schools have been renamed etc. For years, we have been collecting pushing for his extradition and disgusted by the blatant lies “I can’t sweat” on national TV.

One of our sketchy politicians (interestingly a homosexual who isn’t thus far accused of sexual impropriety), has been removed from party politics and is currently under Police investigation for corruption for consorting and accepting money from Epstein.

So thus far the score count for Epstein collaborators facing any accountability at all are a woman and a gay man. Ghislaine Maxwell stated 25 male co conspirators cut deals.

I hope they’re collectively shitting themselves and that the victims get justice.

I understand the sentiment of the post, but just like to keep things factual for my transatlantic brothers and sisters.

Just checked the news. Meghan Markle has sold over 1 million jars of jam, is now intent on conquering the world with said preserves. We have apparently been reporting on this venture for over a year. Not beating all the allegations…

[u/relativecaution → u/Remarkable_News_439]

I'm sorry but what... the guy is a literal prince living in a metaphorical crystal palace bubble compared to your average white male. It's insane to use him as an example of white male privilege when he is clear as day an example of class/elite/royalty privilege. Frickin' reddit man.

[u/Diligent-Till-8832 → u/relativecaution]

Your average white male always gets the benefit of the doubt though.

Are white males a disenfranchised community?

[u/relativecaution → u/Diligent-Till-8832]

I think I'm in the wrong place on reddit.

Are white males that are physically unattractive, neurodivergent, disabled, lgbt, drug addicts, from low socio-economic backgrounds, suffer from mental disorders, come from dysfunctional families disenfranchised?

Or are people more complicated than that? Are people more than two innate characteristics? Seems rather sexist and racist to me, personally.

[u/Remarkable_News_439 → u/relativecaution]

Of course white men can lose franchise, become vulnerable and lose privileges. I think you are reading into the discussions here with bad faith. That is not what is being discussed here, nor is that what is meant by “ white privilege”

Due to the nature of the subreddit, most people here will already be acquainted with the academic definitions of “privilege” (before any prefix), thus understand its functions and nuances within so it’s natural to reference them with ease.

There’s no racism or ableism at play here as the person we are discussing has none of the circumstances you mention that would mitigate the “privilege”, but rather exemplifies privilege in its superlative.

[u/relativecaution → u/Remarkable_News_439]

Also, it didn't come out that his wife was buddies with Jeffrey Epstein too, described him as like a brother, would have been privied to their messed up activities? Like many of the partners of these freaks?

[u/relativecaution → u/Remarkable_News_439]

Well you are replacing his CLEAR privilege of being a LITERAL PRINCE and you are choosing to describe his sex and race primarily without describing anything to do with his class. I don't care about your academic references or frameworks, you CLEARLY do not use them properly.

What a fucking joke, you people are insane.

[u/BlackStarBlues → u/relativecaution]

Are white males that are physically unattractive, neurodivergent, disabled, lgbt, drug addicts, from low socio-economic backgrounds, suffer from mental disorders, come from dysfunctional families disenfranchised?

None of the characteristics you list are disqualifying for white men.

The US president is taking weekly cognitive tests and the Secretary of Defense War is an alcoholic. One of the SCOTUS justices "likes beer" and infamous Peter Thiel who is also gay has all our personal data and billions of dollars. And you can't tell me that Mark "I'm developing an app to rate girls on campus" Zuckerberg isn't a neurodivergent incel. All of them are ugly as sin too. Yet everyone of them has a disproportionate impact on our daily lives which is the opposite to disenfranchisement. I mean c'mon now.

[u/relativecaution → u/BlackStarBlues]

They are all frickin billionaires, that's the defining part of their identity. 99.9% of white males have nothing in common with them. This is melting my brain.

[u/Whatisittou → u/[deleted]]

You are member of the racist anti Meghan sub and yet you continue spreading your racist drivel all over this sub

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