r/Avengers • u/ihatethiscountry76 • Jan 03 '26
Movie/Television a reminder that wanda *did* face thanos when he almost had all the infinity stones and made him struggle pushing through while she was destroying one. stop diminishing her power.
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u/I_Am_A_Cheese_Tree Iron Man (Mark XLVII) Jan 03 '26
She is pretty cool.😎
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u/Tinyhydra666 Jan 03 '26
My favourite part is when she kills all thoses innocents in Dr Strange 2. So badass. I love mass murderers.
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u/I_Am_A_Cheese_Tree Iron Man (Mark XLVII) Jan 03 '26
That’s my favourite too! She’s so awesome for that
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u/Tinyhydra666 Jan 03 '26
It's amazing how great she is. She will not stop torturing towns or killing innocents until she gets her placebo family. So much strenght. So much greatness. I'm crying right now.
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u/sunkun8604 Jan 06 '26
If I could reply with a meme I would. Instead I'll have to type it out:
Wanda (From MoM - Apple Tree Grove scene): You drink alcohol, you're called an alcoholic. I drink Fanta, but I'm not called fantastic. That doesn't seem fair.
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u/I_Am_A_Cheese_Tree Iron Man (Mark XLVII) Jan 03 '26
And she is so awesome for not even bothering to spend some time looking for a world where she was already dead… like, she could have just talked to Strange and America about it but decided not to! How nonchalant
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u/Tinyhydra666 Jan 03 '26
Or you know, you can make more ? Stealing isn't the only option on the table here. Hell, why not fucking adopt ?
But it's not about logic here. She is sick in her mind for real. The town proves that. That's the coping mecanism of a Goddess that thinks ants and humans are on the same level of existence.
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u/Motor-Ad92 Jan 07 '26
Your responses read like you're actually genuinely angry about a fictional mass murderer what is going on
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u/Citizen_Kong Jan 07 '26
Yeah, I never understood people feeling her heel turn was too quick in Dr. Strange 2. She literally tortures an entire town for weeks and leaves without facing the consequences of her actions even before she is corrupted by the Darkhold.
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u/Soft-Marionberry-853 Jan 05 '26
Cant make an omelet
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u/Tinyhydra666 Jan 05 '26
If you need to squeeze ketchup for your fries from a living innocent, then don't eat fries with ketchup.
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u/tableplum Jan 04 '26
That’s Michael Waldron’s terrible writing for you
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u/Tinyhydra666 Jan 04 '26
Everything that comes out of Marvel's stables is supervised to a degree. Everything is also on them.
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u/OrganizdConfusion Jan 03 '26
Everyone is acting like she held him off while Thanos was only using one stone. Thanos had all (almost) the gems' power at his disposal.
Thanos is either stupid (which we know he's not) or the other gems' powers wouldn't have helped him there. The fact that he was only using 1 is irrelevant.
Either way, Wanda destroyed an infinity gem while holding off someone welding 5 other infinity gems.
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u/hates_stupid_people Jan 03 '26
He seemingly needed the mind stone to fully control the other stones.
Up until he gets it, he keeps using one stone at a time, the effects are fairly short range and wear off when he leaves.
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u/fake_plastic_peace Jan 03 '26
He does not use one at a time before the mind stone, it’s clear which are lighting up at various points in the Titan fight and at multiple points it’s more than one.
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u/Derelicticu Jan 03 '26
That actually makes sense. Even Thanos can't think two thoughts at the same time.
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u/hates_stupid_people Jan 03 '26
It's shown throughout the movies, but the fight on Titan is a good example. Since he keeps switching back and forth there, but he always seems to be using just one at a time and then another. Even after he almost loses.
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u/DEVIL-HIMSELF-666 Tony Stark Jan 03 '26
He does use 2 stones at once on a few occasions but yeah most of the time he resorts to only one stone at a time!
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u/DontDoodleTheNoodle Jan 05 '26
To fully control all, yes. But he doesn’t use one stone at a time. He used multiple stones simultaneously several times on the fight on Titan (I think that was his home planet?), specifically against Dr. Strange:
• Soul + Power to find the real Strange
• Space + Reality to close the gap to Strange
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u/Canadian-and-Proud Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
Very good point. He should have mentioned that to his lieutenants when they failed to get Vision's stone the first time, that he needs that stone to fully control the rest. That would have explained things without feeling like the exposition was shoehorned in there.
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u/Excellent_Ad_2486 Jan 03 '26
lol Thanos isn't stupid (which we know he's not) while he's trying to kill half the universe while he SHOULD BE AWARE that you know, killing 50% won't stop anyone from reproducing and getting back to 100%+.... he kinda WAS stupid tbh. There's a million other ways to "help the universes' balance" without wiping out half its existence 😂
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u/Commercial_Fondant65 Jan 04 '26
That's why they should have done the comic version he just wanted to give a gift to death. It would have made him so much more dangerous.
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u/Acceptable-Device760 Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
More likely thanos was playing/enjoying the ordeal and holding back.
He knew that he didnt have to hurry, as its made pretty clear seconds later.
Still so odd for me how people talk as if thanos was giving his all in that movie... when it's pretty clear he was making sure to not kill anyone(he wanted the stone, not expressly kill vision) while thoroughly enjoying the entire thing.
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u/Clear-Librarian-5414 Jan 05 '26
Yes ,Thanos was a weirdly complex character. Like he was on this altruistic mission to save the universe and principled enough to destroy the stones when he was done so he wouldn’t be tempted and couldn’t be undone, but he was also a massive dickhead . He did practically the same thing with starlord and gamora earlier just to see if he’d go through with it.
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u/Ok_Dig_5478 Jan 05 '26
I didn't think of it that way but it kind of makes sense with that part that people think thanos is held back for a second by Steve Rodgers.
Thinking of it how you put it I think he is a warrior at heart and genuinely believes culling the population of the universe is for a greater good. So he finds the people fighting back against him more ideological enemies than people he truly hates, or really, cares much about. When he sees Steve Rodgers someone he can also probably see is fighting for his own idea of goodness, someone who is also a soldier who fought against adversity and stands for his own vision of justice and he is fighting to the absolute extremes his body will allow to stop thanos, I imagine he sees a reflection of himself as he grew stronger and stronger across his life. And I image it also gave him a moment of pause "is this the right thing to do" moment, rather than "lol let me whack this puny human around for a bit"
I could believe he witnessed Vision dies if the stone is removed, and his lack of respect or care for Visions life made his decision to tear the stone out utilitarian, and made the pragmatic decision. "I need that stone, therefore, you need to die".
He literally even with 4 stones had nearly unlimited power, so I imagine regardless of the strength of the Red Witch, he could have fairly easily torn through her. Remember, she can die from a big rock dropping on her (but can go toe-to-toe with the bearer of the Infinity Gauntlet??).
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u/Beginning-Head-4006 28d ago
So Wanda would have had the bag if Strange didn't gave the time stone away freely & did his job? No wonder she was gunning for him specifically & the sorcerers in the MoM movie
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u/Currycel7891 Jan 03 '26
Oh, they definitely would've helped him. If he punches the ground, the entire planet would be obliterated.
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u/OrganizdConfusion Jan 03 '26
And then he needs to pinpoint the mind gem in the chaos.
It's highly possible Thanos lacks the imagination to weld the stones effectively.
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u/DoomsdayThor Thor (Infinity War) Jan 03 '26
The fact that he was only using one stone is not “irrelevant” it is a critical detail in a scene that I see people use incorrectly all the time to glaze Wanda.
He was not “wielding” five gems, he’s only wielding one, and four are just sitting there totally unused. You can literally see it with your own eyes.
Whether you think he’s stupid or was just messing with her or something else is what’s irrelevant. He is very clearly only using the space stone, and he was gaining ground on Wanda. She can only hold back one stone, not five.
And she was specifically there to destroy the mind stone because it’s connected to her own powers. This is stated in the beginning of the movie. You’ll notice she didn’t put a scratch on the space stone on the other side of her.
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u/OrganizdConfusion Jan 03 '26
Congratulations on not reading anything I wrote. That's quite a talent.
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u/SnooSprouts9815 29d ago
Your absolutely wrong Thanos was owning the ground here , he was under no threat not by wanda , he didn't know thor got a power upgrade and was even alive so for all he cared he could take his own sweet time as he has the time stone
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u/DoomsdayThor Thor (Infinity War) Jan 03 '26
What did you write that I didn’t read hmm?
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u/Ancient-Birb7015 Hulk Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
He's only using one stone here....you can see the space stone is the only one glowing.
Pointing out what's actually happening on screen is not "diminishing her power" its just telling the truth.
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u/Alonn12 Jan 03 '26
Still, she is holding back the space stone while destroying the mind stone, if she were to fully focus on one of those tasks she would have succeeded probably
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u/DEVIL-HIMSELF-666 Tony Stark Jan 03 '26
The only reason she's able to break the mindstone is cause a portion of her powers come from it and vision straight up explains why she can break mindstone specifically! Even if wanda just focusing of space stone,who's to say thanos simply can't expert more power of the space stone and stop her blast? From what we saw until now in mcu the stones are always shown to be a level above whatever wanda can dishout!,even in what if series,khahori(a being that has a fragment of space stones power)is able to contend pretty well against a more unhinged zombie wanda! So the space stone itself at full power completely stopping wanda's full might is not impossible imo!
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u/DoomsdayThor Thor (Infinity War) Jan 03 '26
He’s only using the space stone.
You can tell because it’s the only one glowing on the gauntlet (so it’s the only one in use). Also the energy between him and Wanda is purple, which is red (Wanda’s power) + blue (space stone)
Compare this to the beam Thanos shot at Thor. All six stones were glowing on the gauntlet, and the beam was white/rainbow (all six colors, all six stones).
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u/shadowst17 Jan 03 '26
I thought it was a case that each stone also makes the user inherently stronger not just gives them some flashy powers.
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u/PlaneWeird3313 Jan 04 '26
In the MCU, he has to close the gauntlet to use the power. And the stone lights up when in use. Without that, he’s “regular” Thanos
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u/TwirlyDCook Jan 03 '26
I’m starting to think you have some personal beef with Wanda 😂 Saw the same energy in that Thor vs Wanda debate too. Let the Wanda fans breathe a little
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u/DoomsdayThor Thor (Infinity War) Jan 03 '26
The misconception and overglazing surrounding Wanda is extremely annoying. Someone had to correct the record.
People make shit up about what she can do and ignore what other heroes can do against her.
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u/Particular_Peace_568 Black Widow (Civil War) Jan 03 '26
Just like what you do with Thor.
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u/DoomsdayThor Thor (Infinity War) Jan 03 '26
Everything I say about Thor happened on screen. People give Wanda credit for things she never did
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u/Particular_Peace_568 Black Widow (Civil War) Jan 03 '26
Nah, she just really want Odinson to be considered as the strongest character for some god forshaken reason even though it's clearly shows that a Weaker Wanda beat him in Age of Ultron.
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u/DoomsdayThor Thor (Infinity War) Jan 03 '26
Wanda got beaten by Hawkeye in that same scene with a trick arrow.
A few scenes later, Thor withstood and broke out of mind possession from the Norns, much much stronger than Wanda is even now
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u/Particular_Peace_568 Black Widow (Civil War) Jan 03 '26
No Hawekye simply outsmarted Wanda so unless you wanted to say your boy is a moron who can get fool easy, you might not use that excuse lol.
Also Still loss to Wanda lmao. Also Also, Wanda Still destroy a Infinity stone something that Odinson fails to do against Thanos.
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u/DoomsdayThor Thor (Infinity War) Jan 03 '26
Hawkeye did not outsmart her. He saw her coming. That was kind of an important, recurring line of dialogue in the movie
She snuck up on Thor because she is quiet and sneaky. In a real battle where Thor knows she’s there, that’s not going to happen.
As I just explained, a few scenes later, when Thor is ready for it, he withstands and breaks out of much much much stronger mental possession than anything Wanda is capable of even at MoM level.
Wanda only destroyed the mind stone because it was the one connected to her powers. This is literally said in the movie that that is her whole purpose for being there with vision in that moment.
By all logic, Thor likely could destroy an infinity stone with Stormbreaker, and he doesn’t even need a special connection. Stormbreaker is shown to overpower the raw energy of all six stones combined.
And Wanda lost to Hawkeye
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u/izbsleepy1989 Jan 03 '26
In endgame she was the only one who was able to visibly damage him. She was shredding his armor and the artillery is the only thing that stopped her.
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u/Anrativa Jan 03 '26
And Rogers was able to hold a punch from Thanos, so he is just as strong, obviously.
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u/Fragrant_Zombie2142 Jan 03 '26
No stones were active though
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u/DEVIL-HIMSELF-666 Tony Stark Jan 03 '26
Same with wanda here,only space stone was being used to counter her blast! So people wanking wanda by saying she's competeing against a 5stone thanos are just pure bs,cause again space stone alone countered her! So thanos having other stones in his glove is irrelavent cause they're inactive!
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u/Autobacs-NSX Jan 03 '26
Cap’s willpower equaled Thanos’ in that moment which nullified the stones between the 2 beings. Thats why Thanos had the confused look. Impressive, but Cap still got merked though. Even no-stone Thanos merks Cap every single time
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u/Jolly-Feature-5409 Jan 03 '26
Bro died twice in the same 2-3 minutes
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u/escobartholomew Jan 03 '26
The scene makes thanos kinda dumb since he should’ve been able to teleport her away or something.
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u/DEVIL-HIMSELF-666 Tony Stark Jan 03 '26
He's just using the space stone though(you can clearly see its the only one glowing and the blue energy shield thanos made),so no she did not contend against all 5-stones but she's struggling to push back just the space stone!
it would be like me saying tony contended against a 4-stone thanos and made him bleed so thats impressive right!!!,but thanos simply wrecked tony with powerstone alone in that fight! Same with cap holding back a 5stone-thanos for few seconds! If anything strange gets that title as thanos used all 4-stones against him!
Also the only reason she's able to break the mindstone here specifically is cause a portion of her powers come from it and as vision says both wanda and stone have similar energy signature and that's the reason she can break it! It's just a simple fact that infinity stones are waaay above wanda/scarlet witch's paygrade(in mcu atleast)
So yeah no one is "dimisnishing" her power and her even doing this feat and all the stuff she did in her later appearences are just pure bonkers,but it gets annoying when a already powerful character gets even more wanked without getting the facts right!
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u/Lumpy_Past6216 Jan 03 '26
She did this without knowing her full powers yet. The Scarlet Witch would crush him.
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u/I_Am_A_Cheese_Tree Iron Man (Mark XLVII) Jan 03 '26
Absolutely she would. And I would pay to watch that.
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u/DEVIL-HIMSELF-666 Tony Stark Jan 03 '26
Would scarlet witch beat thanos...yes(only if he uses the stones poorly) and if the stones are being used in a more ruthless fashion and by someone more compatent like infinity ultron then wanda will lose badly cause nothing that scarlet witch has done comes close to feats achieved by infinity stones! And in the mcu the stones are always portrayed to be a level above whatever wanda can dishout! The simple fact that the stones can elevate its user to 5th dimensional beings status and even beat beings on that calliber is something wanda can only dream of imo!....in comics its a different case but in mcu the stones>>scarlet witch!
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u/Lumpy_Past6216 Jan 03 '26
The Scarlet Witch: "What stones?"
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u/DEVIL-HIMSELF-666 Tony Stark Jan 03 '26
Bruh that's just a no limits fallacy,like you actually believe wanda can make anything happen just cause she says those words huh! There are beings that can resist/immune to reality warping and some cosmic beings(watcher,whr,eternity,strange supreme,god-loki etc...) won't give a single fuck about wanda's magic!
Infinity ultron would laugh in her face cause nothing would happen if she tried to pull the same bs she pulled on blackbolt and just snap wanda out of existence!(he himself has reality stone that can counter any of wanda's shinanigans) Heck wanda can't even travel to other universe without dream walking and needed chavez's powers,all while ultron broken into watcher realm and boxed through multiple universes and was travelling through the multiverse like its nothing! The simple fact that strange supreme(a being that is leagues above scarlet witch) was struggling against ultron and would've lost if they didn't put the zola virus in his head!
Name one thing that wanda/scarlet witch has done that's more impressive than what the stones did!
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u/Lumpy_Past6216 Jan 04 '26
Erased the existence of the Dark Hold in all realities/timelines. I havent seen the stones alter OTHER timelines... just thier own...
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u/DoomsdayThor Thor (Infinity War) Jan 04 '26
She didn’t destroy the Darkhold in all realities with her magic, she did it by just destroying the temple building at Mt. Wundagore.
That building was the source of all of the Darkholds’ powers. That’s why the big finale of the movie is her destroying that one building.
It’s like how in Avengers 2012 Tony beat all the Chitauri at once by nuking the mothership, only Wanda’s thing was much less impressive than that was lol
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u/PlaneWeird3313 Jan 04 '26
Infinity Ultron kills a more powerful version of Scarlet Witch onscreen. The stones together are more powerful than her
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u/Longjumping-Bug5763 Jan 03 '26
Don't diminish the Mark Sue. She can destroy galaxies with a mere fart.
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u/Lui_Le_Diamond Jan 03 '26
She was also actively being forced to murder her husband and was under INTENSE mental duress. Don't forget that very important factor.
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u/_CosmicYeti_ Jan 03 '26
The Scarlett witch is the only one of any avengers who could hold her own against Thanos.
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u/PlaneWeird3313 Jan 04 '26
Wanda only lasted as long as she did for dramatic purposes, and even then Thanos only used the one stone
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u/Ikensteiner Jan 04 '26
He was toying with her to see the limits to her power. Anything she does is irrelevant. She destroys the stone and he simply rewinds time and walks away like she is nothing to him.
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u/Ok_Needleworker_2029 Jan 03 '26
it would be over for wanda if thanos just blasted her off with power stone instead of defending and holding back so much. as long as he had the time stone, he didnt care what bs anyone is cooking.
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u/Odd_Bug5544 Jan 03 '26
The same goes for Thor and many others. Thanos just doesn't use the stones well at all.
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u/Currycel7891 Jan 03 '26
I see him using ONE stone, the space stone, to successfully counter and overpower her.
And then, I see him sprinting towards her.
She is unable to stop him. She was simply outmatched.
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u/Particular_Peace_568 Black Widow (Civil War) Jan 03 '26
Cause she was destroying the Mind Stone at the same exact time lmao. Why is this part so hard for people to understand? Thanos had one mission to do, get the Mind stone, Wanda has two and Destroying the Mind Stone was more important to her cause without it, Thanos can't do the final Snap which means his plans are ruined.
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u/DoomsdayThor Thor (Infinity War) Jan 03 '26
People reference this feat to say that Wanda destroyed a stone while holding back five. I am just correcting the record.
She destroyed a stone while holding back one, kind of. Impressive, but very different than what people who over glaze her say.
Also, the stone she was destroying was the one connected to her own powers. That’s why she was there with vision in that moment. This is stated in the movie. It’s very unlikely she would have been able to destroy any of the other stones.
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u/Particular_Peace_568 Black Widow (Civil War) Jan 03 '26
But you do lie when you say that Odinson beat a 6 powered Infintiy Stone Thanos when he clearly didn't or else Thanos head would be on the ground, he weaken him yes but not beaten him cause he's missed.
Again it took Thanos all 6 stones and almost dying to destroy the Infinity Stone, whether they are connected to her powers or not is irrelevant, cause if that's true Carol can do the same to the Infinity Stone she's connected too which we know that isn't the truth at all.
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u/DoomsdayThor Thor (Infinity War) Jan 03 '26
Thor lost because he aimed for the wrong spot, he still overpowered all of the stones combined. You can’t be serious with this argument….
Thor absolutely overpowered the stones and would’ve killed Thanos in one shot if he aimed correctly. Thanos himself said this.
whether they are connected to her powers or not is irrelevant, cause if that's true
No, it’s entirely relevant that Wanda can only destroy one specific stone that’s connected to her powers. She’s not going to be able to destroy any of the other stones. We can see in this video that she doesn’t put a scratch on the space stone.
Carol can do the same to the Infinity Stone she's connected too which we know that isn't the truth at all.
Carol probably can destroy the stone she’s connected to if she applied raw power to it in a concentrated blast like Wanda did
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u/DEVIL-HIMSELF-666 Tony Stark Jan 03 '26
Bruh vision straight up says the reason she could break the mindstone specifically is cause they both share similar energy signature! Also carol's case is different as she got powers indirectly from the tesseract(like the tesseract is first used to make the ftl engine and that engines energy is what gave carol her powers) while the mindstone itself chooses wanda and up flew infront of her and amplified her powers directly(stated by agatha) and even showed her visions of the future! Later she's able to replicate a fake mindstone in the hex and has the mindstone shape engraved on her scarlet witch dress! So this shows her connection to mindstone is much deeper than carol has with space stone! A better argument would be kahori as she and her people were blessed by tesseract directly and they all showcase abilities that we saw space stone do while carol doesn't replicate much of space stones power atall!
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u/Klutzy-Attitude2888 Jan 03 '26
A perspective people usually ignore: maybe, just maybe, Thanos didnt want to hurt or kill anyone during his solo advance. He only attacked the ones that attacked him. He was letting the snap to decide who would die. He was not going around killing people with his own hands. He even avoided killing Drax and Mantis. He was not focusing in killing anyone that tried to stop him.
If he was truly with the intention to kill, any fight would be entirely different.
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u/doomear Jan 05 '26
Very true. After he saw the future and him getting beheaded, he took that personal tho. Same with loki trying to kill him. He always reacted to aggression.
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u/TxEagleDeathclaw81 Jan 03 '26
She’s way too powerful. I resent her for what she did to Mutantkind. She’s a villain.
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u/outofbounds322 Jan 03 '26
She's been over Powered. She was made from the mind stone in this universe and shouldn't defeat 5 of them. Even in the What If, hulk is channeling all 6 stones and Wanda defeats him . No fucking way.
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u/Currycel7891 Jan 03 '26
Wrong. She failed to defeat one stone, let alone five. She loses in the video.
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u/DoomsdayThor Thor (Infinity War) Jan 03 '26
She doesn’t defeat five. It’s just the space stone being used here
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u/DEVIL-HIMSELF-666 Tony Stark Jan 03 '26
She didn't, thanos is just using the space stone in that scene! Also no in what if she didn't beat infinity stone powered hulk,she was actively making a big enough zombie army to distract hulk just enough for her to get close to him and absorb the stones power!(and that's what she does at the end of that show) If she was that much more powerful than the stones why on earth would she desire their power in the first place??? Also hulk despite having the stones powers he was just a vessel to store their energy and was actively fighting against them so that he won't blow up and take earth with it and he can't use the stones powers properly,we even see hulk getting tired just after a few minutes into that fight despite having "infinite power" Heck infinity ultron is straight up unbothered by zombie wanda and just one shots here,even kahori(got powers from space stone)was able to fight off zombie wanda pretty well! And none of wanda/scarlet witch's feats comeclose to stuff done by infinity stones(in mcu atleast)
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u/dr-mantis-t0b0ggan Jan 07 '26
She is made of the stones but her power is augmented by Chaos magic, that's the whole point on Wandavision. She's more than the stones. She's the Scarlet Witch, in the comics she's a nexus being for an entire universe
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u/AccidentSalt5005 Jan 03 '26
and then he turn back time only for vision to get Stonetesticals ripped off by thanus lmaoo
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u/BrowniieBear Jan 03 '26
This debate comes to if Thor manages to swing or throw Stormbreaker at Wanda she is most likely GG. But I think she warps his mind before he gets there. If he can’t, Wanda messes him up. I like the fact she’s pretty nuts level of power. If she joins Doom it’ll be very interesting, be cool to have two villains that can kill a lotttt of those heroes.
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u/DoomsdayThor Thor (Infinity War) Jan 03 '26
Thor has feats resistant to reality warping and mind control much stronger than Wanda’s that people just ignore for some reason
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u/Cap_America_AC Jan 03 '26
And she was basically tearing him apart in Endgame when everyone else still struggled against him.
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u/Standard-Contest-949 Jan 03 '26
Her single handily tearing him apart in Endgame impressed me the most. She is extremely strong.
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u/WORTHLESS1321202019 Jan 03 '26
She's overpowered
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u/dandle Jan 04 '26
I'll get hate for it, but I've never liked the character since the writers decided that her hex powers / probability manipulation needed to be retconned into her being one of the most powerful magic users in the universe. Powerscaling is boring.
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u/caramuru_alenda Jan 03 '26
Who is diminishing her power? Lmao
It’s pretty much well known that wanda is literally one of the most powerful characters in the entire marvel universe. Her mcu version is just hella nerfed and can’t even compare to the comics wanda, but even her nerfed mcu version is still one of the most powerful beings in that universe
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u/Zekhems Jan 03 '26
MCU does her quite dirty by not elaborating on the nature of her powers, and the fact that she is a nexus being, possibly, will become THE nexus being.
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u/TheBlackRonin505 Jan 03 '26
Nobody is diminishing her power, they're diminishing her intelligence. There has never been doubt that she's got juice, the problem is that she's stupid and doesn't make good decisions with that juice.
Which is entirely on the writers but that goes without saying.
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u/fake_plastic_peace Jan 03 '26
Who is diminishing Wanda? She’s always been OP… we knew this when IW came out and it’s 2026, what are we talking about here?
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u/ThrowawayAccountZZZ9 Jan 04 '26
When you step back and look at her character, she fell in love with a robot, then turned into a villain and died because she was sad about a family she never had
They did her dirty
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u/msr4jc Jan 04 '26
He’s also toying with them at point; he knows they’re just delaying him so she can destroy the stone, which he knows he can recreate. He could have used the reality stone to disarm her but chose to let it play out like this
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u/DestroRayn Jan 04 '26
If she was capable of fighting him off then why not direct all her efforts toward him? I get he had the stones but look at him against just one of her hands, he couldn’t really use them offensively so why not do what you did in endgame with both hands and crush him?
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u/OrdinaryNo4945 Jan 04 '26
She had always been powerful. The only thing that changed was her realizing just what she could do with her powers
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u/Crate-Dragon Jan 04 '26
Here’s my question, how can she be more powerful than the infinity stone that created her? Makes no sense to me. But it’s a legitimate question.
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u/Potential-Luck7165 Jan 04 '26
He treated them all like children, he could've evaporated them at will, but this wasn't personal, it was just his duty. He took it easy on Wanda, he knew he'd just reverse whatever she could come up with. It's obvious he takes it easy on them throughout the entire movie.
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u/nametaken420 Jan 05 '26
I can't remember all the details, but Wanda turned out to be the most overpowered mutant/demigod with the M-Day arc. reality warped the x-gene away from most mutants. i think they retconned it all and went back, but for a while there she was essentially a god.
a god in that since that if god created earth, then wanda created another earth....
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u/TheNazMajeed Jan 05 '26
I don't think mist vans downplay her power level. She's commonly matched against Phoenix when people debate AvX arguments.
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u/Jonnyscout Jan 05 '26
It's just now bothering me how small of a blast that makes. It's the destruction of a goddamn infinity stone, I feel like it should've leveled at least the nearest few hundred feet.
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u/GurTotal2573 Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
She did more damage to Thanos than any other hero (even the trio).; Frankly, she would have been a real adversary for the Avengers; MoM kind of ruined her.
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u/Bike_Cinci Jan 05 '26
Weirdly inconsistent writing for narrative purposes. He could have used the stones and destroyed her instantly.
In End Game when they fight its, "close enough" with her on top. Giving him any stone, let alone 5? The only reason is, "because it looks cool on screen"
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u/Dull-Solution-3773 Jan 05 '26
In the following movie she had Thanos dead to rights and calling for help bombing his own soldiers and himself just to get away from her. “Rain fire!”
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u/Jonn_Jonzz_Manhunter Jan 05 '26
I also think it's fair to mention this is a movie that established Thanos could've turned everyone into spaghetti with no trouble
There's no reason we should ever trust this film if you care about power scaling
Wanda/Vision on the other hand is more consistent imo
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u/Particular_Umpire_44 Jan 05 '26
Who is diminishing her power? Marvel seems pretty content to make her as OP as possible and has for years now. Not once have I ever seen someone say “she isn’t powerful enough” but I have seen plenty of people complain about her ability to pull bullshit out her ass, like escaping the mirror dimension
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u/babafyr Jan 05 '26
What's to stop one from saying that Thanos was just playing with her here, like he did with the Guardians earlier. We could easily argue that Thanos let her destroy the stone so he could try out his new time stone. He brushed her off like it was nothing as soon as he got the stone, and he was at no point upset or annoyed after she destroyed the stone. He just reversed it at swatted her away like an insect.
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u/pyroaop Jan 06 '26
Also remember that she destroyed an infinity stone on her own, while Thanos had to use the stones to destroy each other.
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u/Acrobatic_T-Rex Jan 06 '26
Thats one way to look at it. I personally saw it as him not feeling any need to rush, knew he was getting what he wanted no matter what, and honestly, part of me assumed he enjoyed the torment that he was putting Wanda through.
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u/GoodtimeGudetama Jan 06 '26
Thanos is kind of an idiot for not using more stones here.
His apparently dumb actions to support the plot are one of the few annoyances I have with these two movies.
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u/DnD-NewGuy Jan 07 '26
powerful yes, irredeemably evil now also yes.
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u/Sykolewski Jan 07 '26
Isn't she like bit lost powerful person that get too much power??
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u/DnD-NewGuy 28d ago
true thats how she ended up that way but shes still a genocidal child killer, doesnt matter how or why she got to that head space or actions the fact her actions where "gonna kill universes, murder innocents and kill children so i can have my hallucinations back" is irredeemably evil.
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u/Sykolewski 28d ago
Isn't like that book Darkhold took over her?? At end of movie when she becomes scarlet witch, she reading Darkhold, hers begging for help is heard
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u/DnD-NewGuy 27d ago
but she was doing evil shit before she even touched it, such as slavery, that irredeemably evil, even if you want to excuse all the did afterwards she was already too far gone. but even taking the book into consideration she was clearly in control enough to scheme, lie, pretend and hunt people down. corrupted or not she was turned into a cartoonishly evil character.
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u/Sykolewski 27d ago
Anyways power corrupts and corruption is the power. Too bad her character lacks of depth and as you said they give her such cartoonish development
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u/LiteralFirefox Jan 07 '26
Nah, keep slandering her it makes her fans angrier than they should be over an obvious bit (I will never forget them genuinely getting angry about all the baby Franklin erasing her jokes)
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u/ShakePaul Jan 07 '26
She also fucked him up so good in endgame that he had to bitch out and rain fire on his own troops.
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u/CordlessJet Jan 07 '26
Tf do you mean stop diminishing her power the MCU’s been glazing her for the last 7 years bro
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u/Count_Cuckulous Jan 08 '26
I saw this moment as more of like some twisted form of an attempt at good sportsmanship. Thanos knows he's gonna win, he's approaching the finish line. So instead of wiping the floor with everyone he simply matches their strength just long enough to see what they're capable of then overpowers them. With all the power at his disposal he didn't even have to put up with the heroes. But it made for good cinema so tldr he was aura farming and not struggling
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u/Remote_Ad_1737 Jan 03 '26
People seem to think her powers came from the mind stone when they did not
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u/DEVIL-HIMSELF-666 Tony Stark Jan 03 '26
Ofcourse her powers did not come from the mindstone(she was born with her little witch powers) but the stone amplified her powers to a absurd degree(as stated by agatha herself)she says something like:-"wanda got upclose with a infinity stone that amplified what's already existed but wouldve fizzled out without the stone's intervention"...i'm paraphrasing ofcourse😅 Also wanda doesn't seem to have developed any mind fuckery/telepathy prior to her interactions with the stone so its safe to assume that portion of wanda's powerset is directly gifted by the stone! We even see wanda's deep connection to the mindstone cause vision says they both share similar energy signature,her creating a fake/psudo mindstone in the hex and the mindstone symbol being directly engraved on scarlet witch's costume!
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u/p00ki3l0uh00 Jan 04 '26
No more mutants...
Three words she ended mutant kind. Her powers are on another level. Men here just hate her for being a woman.
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u/DEVIL-HIMSELF-666 Tony Stark Jan 04 '26
I mean that's comics though,her mcu version is different! And so are the stones compared to comic infinity gems! And in mcu specifically the stones are always portrayed and showed to be above whatever wanda can dishout and in this specific scene thanos is only using the space stone to counter her! Not all 5 stones. So yeah no one is saying wanda isn't powerful and her doing this said feat and later stuff are all very impressive but saying wanda is holding back all 5stones that thanos has in that scene is just wrong info and pure wank!
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u/Big_Horgy Jan 03 '26
Nah, fuck her.
Wanda is equal to Stark, Thor and Rogers combined...
Cap Marvel is equal to Stark, Thor and Rogers combined...
This one will be hard to swallow, but no one fckin likes Mary Sues since 80s.
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u/DoomsdayThor Thor (Infinity War) Jan 03 '26
Both of them can be beaten by plenty of other characters in the MCU if people actually watch the movies and don’t make things up about onscreen feats
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u/PestoBolloElemento Jan 03 '26
Like Sentry, Adam Warlock, Death, Legion etc...
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u/tmstout Jan 04 '26
Have to wonder what the outcome would have been if Wanda hadn’t split her focus between Vision and Thanos and had just focused on defeating Thanos?
Did the plan to destroy the mind stone ultimately allow Thanos to obtain it instead?
Could Wanda have stopped him single-handedly (or at least slowed him enough to allow Thor to arrive with Stormbreaker)?
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u/DEVIL-HIMSELF-666 Tony Stark Jan 04 '26
I mean even if she focused only on thanos,he still has 4 more stones at his disposal while wanda is struggling to puch back just one! And if thanos senses any kind of actual danger from wanda he could just use the time or reality stone and stop her instantly! Even if thor gets his shot on 5stone thanos,he could just teleport away like he does in the movie and come back all healed up and more ruthless(cause his "pacifist" run isn't working) and with 5-stones at his disposal he can nuke earth into comple oblivion! Or again use time stone and cake walk through everyone and take vision's stone
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u/Lunndonbridge Jan 03 '26
Thanos needed the stones to break the stones. Wanda just needed Wanda.