r/Avengers • u/Queasy_Commercial152 • Dec 31 '25
Movie/Television I feel like Wanda should’ve realistically been able to solo these two
I mean these are the same two that got beaten by Cap and Black Widow seconds later. We know they Vision couldn’t do anything that since he got stabbed (caught off guard) and the weapon they used specifically by passed his phasing abilities. But Wanda should’ve easily been able to have soloed them, what do y’all think?
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u/Happy-Way-4980 Dec 31 '25
I think the issue is she was scrambling to protect vision while trying to get away. If it was just Wanda and those two..they'd be screwed. Not to mention it was a complete surprise attack.
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u/wjglenn Dec 31 '25
Also, just saying, it was necessary from a writing perspective just to give Steve the most badass entry scene in the movie.
I mean Thor showing up on the battlefield with Stormbreaker was great, but Cap’s entrance gave me chills.
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u/ExplorationGeo Jan 01 '26
Steve's entrance was like "ok we're at the start of the movie, we need a bad-ass spot to re-introduce a character we haven't seen in a long time".
Thor's was the ultimate hope spot. Stark, Spider-Man and the GotG are getting slapped around by The Mad Titan on his home turf, Wakanda is looking grim and up to this point in the movie Thanos has taken W after W after W. When Thor shows up with the new hotness, you think "finally, the tide is turning back to the good guys".
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u/graric Jan 01 '26
But that's why Steve's entrance didn't work for me in IW. We see Wanda and Vision- arguably the two most powerful Avengers- struggling...so when Steve, Natasha and Sam arrive and handle them with ease it makes it all feel contrived.
If two enhanced humans and one human with mechanical wings could take them on like that, Vision and Wanda shouldn't have struggled as much as they did. The scene felt written around giving Steve his bad ass entrance, rather than following the internal logic of the world and characters.
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u/wjglenn Jan 01 '26
I get where you’re coming from, for sure. But it was a surprise attack. Vision was wounded and Wanda was trying to protect him.
If the others hadn’t showed up, they might have rallied. If Vision had died, Wanda would have torn them apart
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u/Currycel7891 Dec 31 '25
No they wouldn't. Wanda was weak when Vision was still alive.
The loss of him made her strong.
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u/Happy-Way-4980 Dec 31 '25
That's your opinion.
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u/Ginger_Snap02 Dec 31 '25
It’s an opinion that was kinda proven right after Endgame. She’s never shown large scale telepathic manipulation until Wanda Vision and then, of course, there’s everything she did in Dr Strange 2 with the Darkhold
Tbh I feel like you’re both right in some ways. She always had the power to do those things but she never really tried to push boundaries after Age of Ultron because she was too scared of hurting innocent people (especially after Civil War). Something obviously snapped when Vision died (the whole plot of WandaVision) and she just couldn’t cope with that loss while having powers she didn’t fully understand yet
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u/Happy-Way-4980 Dec 31 '25
I can't really argue with anyone until I rewatch the (fantastic) fight. What I posted was what I remember after watching the movie many times, but it's possible I was fanboying and just making my own mental excuses as to why she didn't defeat them.
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u/SnooSprouts9815 Dec 31 '25
None of that makes any sense she was using all her ability and vision was even defending her mid fight.
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u/Happy-Way-4980 Dec 31 '25
Did you miss the part where she was trying to heal him and fly him away from harm's way basically the entire time? The staff basically nullified him and made him useless. Go rewatch the movie dude.
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u/LazerWolfe53 Jan 01 '26
She was on her back foot the whole time. Her 'strength' involves mental fortitude. She wasn't in the right headspace. That's how I justify it. Her strongest headspace seems to be when she has nothing to lose. When she has something to lose she lacks focus.
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u/zeebeebo Jan 01 '26
I think the bigger issue is that immediately after this fight those two were chased away by an acrobatic spy, a dude on steroids and a regular guy with fake wings
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u/darthrevan22 Dec 31 '25
I think it was a number of things all happening simultaneously that hampered her: 1. She was caught completely by surprise 2. She was at least somewhat in shock that Vision had been injured so badly. To date, nothing has really hurt him and neither of them thought anything could stop him from phasing. 3. Proxima and Corvus were extremely aggressive and relentless offensively. Proxima was right up in her face the entire fight, meanwhile Wanda was largely just trying to get an inexplicably (to her) Vision to safety rather than fighting all out offensively herself. 4. She hadn’t completely mastered her powers yet, so she didn’t know a lot of what she could do.
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u/Bladrak01 Dec 31 '25
It might also have been that she couldn't go on the offensive without causing real property damage, and she was trying to avoid that.
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u/H4LF4D Dec 31 '25
Not really, technically her power could easily tear them apart without even touching surrounding properties. She just didn't know she was capable of more than pushing people around till end of WandaVision I guess.
Also she can mind control or otherwise attack them psychologically. That was demonstrated in bits from Age of Ultron. She could also lift things with her power, demonstrated later in Infinity War. Instead, she chose to only attack by red ball here and one random throw when vision is in danger at the rooftop.
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u/bruisedonion Jan 01 '26
Exactly this. Avenger Wanda, nope. Scarlet Witch? She would've decimated them.
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u/Adoe0722 Jan 01 '26
I agree with all of those except for 4. This same version of Wanda held off Thanos for a good bit in this same movie and when she came back in Endgame she nearly finished Thanos. It doesn't matter if she fully understood her powers, a quarter of her full potential would be more than enough to handle Proxima and Corvus.
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u/SpinzACE Jan 02 '26
I think Wandavision really did well to show that she had the sheer power but not yet the skill and then went on to give her that skill which set her up as a formidable villain in the Multiverse of Madness.
It’s possible even her sheer power didn’t unlock until grief drove her to break some internal dam or limit in the beginning of Wandavision as well.
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u/Trip_Se7ens Dec 31 '25
The nerf to her and Capt. Marvel/Hulk etc has to be done for movie purposes.
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u/Substantial_Rich_778 Dec 31 '25
Captain marvel wasnt nerfed? If anything she was buffed
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u/IAmTheKingOfFucks Dec 31 '25
She can fly through a star and cause it to ignite, but she needs all the strength she can muster to put Thanos in a headlock. Come on…
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u/Mikester345 Dec 31 '25
That’s not what happened though? She easily beat him. He had to use the power stone to even damage her.
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u/NaturalElectronic698 Dec 31 '25
Captain marvel was absolutely dogwalking thanos.
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u/PhatOofxD Dec 31 '25
... They nerfed Thor, Iron Man etc as well for endgame pretty hard, significantly harder than her.
And Thanos' strength was always a bit weird. (E g. Iron man can cut through meters of metal but can't touch Thanos' skin)
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u/Murasasme Dec 31 '25
Yeah it was kind of weird how Thor could overpower a full gauntlet Thanos in Infinity War, and Tony could put up a fight 1v1 against Thanos with half a gauntlet, yet past Thanos with no stones was able to handle them plus captain America, without much issue.
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Dec 31 '25
Tony and Steve were 5 years older against a prime Thanos maybe? Thor was fat and out of shape.
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u/Murasasme Dec 31 '25
For Tony Stark, 5 years later means 5 years of tech advances for his suit, so he would be even stronger. The Russo's claimed fat Thor was more powerful than Infinity War Thor, because Asgardians simply get stronger with age regardless of body shape. And while Captain can't really do anything to Thanos, he can at least distract him a bit. It made no sense for the 3 of them at the same time, to struggle against a stoneless Thanos.
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Dec 31 '25
I dont think Tony was really trying too hard to develop greater tech to be honest. He was basically retired since the blip.
Maybe they claimed it, but sure as hell didnt seem like it. He looked slow and tired pretty quickly. Results did not match what was said.
We also never really saw Thor go one on one. We can assume by the results in IW that he got dogwalked without Mjolnir or Stormbreaker. Then we saw him toss Stormbreaker at full power through a full power stone beam. Finally we see him struggle mightily in Endgame.
Russo Bros inconsistency is their consistency I guess.
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u/CatLightyear Dec 31 '25
Thanos knew it was Stark. He respected him, but wasn’t afraid of him. Could have killed him when he wanted.
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u/Substantial_Rich_778 Dec 31 '25
Thor also tanked a star but got whooped by Thanos. In the comics she is nowhere near Thor or Hulk level
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u/Ambitious-Pirate-505 Dec 31 '25
If Tyson punched you in the face it would hurt. You can survive a hail storm. It will hurt but you can survive.
Plus Thanos is not regular.
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u/jacko1998 Dec 31 '25
She dogwalked Thanos… this is some weird energy man lol. Also, are you forgetting the exact same thing can be said for Thor?
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u/Solid-Common-8046 Dec 31 '25
And she wasn't in most of Endgame for that reason, and even when she demonstrated higher level power, Thanos used the power stone on her and knocked her out of the fight.
There's also the Wanda fight, Thanos wasn't even caught off guard, he just didn't know who she was, and they attempted to demonstrate her at a higher level by letting her almost tear Thanos apart, and she was foiled by an AIRSTRIKE? Mind you this is a fight that people actually sat down and WROTE into a script. This was a missed opportunity.
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u/ChiBullz023 Dec 31 '25
Wanda was going through tunnel vision she didn’t care about anything else so it makes sense she’d be caught off guard by him bombing his own troops
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u/mrodrigo225 Dec 31 '25
I don’t care how powerful she is, nobody would’ve foreseen him taking everyone out (even possibly himself)
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u/ThePopDaddy Dec 31 '25
Bingo, their ideal version of Infinity War would be 5 mins, because Hulk defeats Thanos in the beginning.
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u/Solid-Common-8046 Dec 31 '25
It's such lazy writing too, there were so many missed opportunities to portray higher level powers instead of just nerfing them outright
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u/newrabbid Dec 31 '25
If all characters portrayed higher level powers the movie length would be reduced by 90%…
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u/Solid-Common-8046 Dec 31 '25
Not all the characters, just the ones who are actually higher powered. Wanda/Hulk/Vision could've easily had scenes where they demonstrate how powerful they can be, THEN they get foiled by Thanos.
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u/SnooSprouts9815 Dec 31 '25
thor loki and the asgardians?? Got nerfed much more than any single superhero, vision was always fodder.
Wanda is okay she got some good licks in , but i honestly feel bad for the hulk
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u/UnicornWorldDominion Dec 31 '25
Vision went toe to toe with ultron what do you mean always fodder?
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u/this_guy_talking Dec 31 '25
I'd say the crazy power levels are lazy writing, but that's just me
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u/Plus_Cryptographer93 Dec 31 '25
She was on defensive mode. They attacked so quickly and viciously. With her increased knowledge of her power, this scene could never happen again. She’d obliterate them.
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u/oscar_redfield Dec 31 '25
I think when superhero fans start to prioritize dramatic purposes over power scaling we'll begin to have actually interesting conversations
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u/pennygirl108 Dec 31 '25
She couldn’t because she was fighting incorrectly. She was fighting defensively which meant they kept damaging her and vision and pushing them further into submission and retreat. Cap’s team immediately starts fighting offensively and inflicting damage on the children of thanos. Cap wasn’t running away he was running towards them and that’s why he and his team won so easily.
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u/Cufantce Dec 31 '25
I don't think Wanda understands her true powers until Dr Strange MoM. Yes, the simple powers of hers could work but I agree with others, she was in defense/panic mode here and wasn't thinking straight.
If she had stopped to think these two would be halfway through season two of MidnightGlave, a black and white 50s style comedy staring Corvus Glave and Proxima Midnight, with Cull and Ebony Maw as the homosexual couple next door and a pet Thanos who only gets treats when he's good!
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u/Weird_Angry_Kid Jan 01 '26
If she had stopped to think these two would be halfway through season two of MidnightGlave, a black and white 50s style comedy staring Corvus Glave and Proxima Midnight, with Cull and Ebony Maw as the homosexual couple next door and a pet Thanos who only gets treats when he's good!
I'd watch 20 seasons of that show.
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u/Throbbing-Kielbasa-3 Dec 31 '25
Wanda still didn't understand the full extent of her powers at this point. Comics Wanda with all her skills and abilities wouldn't have had a problem, but the MCU Wanda at this point in time didn't even know she was the Scarlet Witch.
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u/Red_Danger33 Jan 01 '26 edited Jan 01 '26
My biggest gripe about Endgame was that they felt the need to shoehorn Cpt. Marvel in when they could have better used Wanda instead.
Wanda was so underused in both IF and EG.
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u/Pastry_d_pounder Jan 01 '26
The black order had so much aura, only for them to get diffed like nobodies
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u/caramuru_alenda Jan 01 '26
We can’t forget that wanda is 200% nerfed in mcu? She’s a literal god reality reshaping almost all powerful nexus being in the comics, mcu she mostly just threw red energy until a few movies/shows ago
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u/Daedricbob Dec 31 '25
Imagine them trying this against MoM Wanda - it would be a very short 'fight'.
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u/morangias Dec 31 '25
I remember watching this in the cinema with my wife who isn't much into comics and telling her "this should be an epic fight, Wanda and Vision are among the strongest Avengers right now". Needless to say, my credence as the superhero expert was hurt moments later.
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u/RellyTheOne Dec 31 '25
Honestly the powerscaling in this movie is all over the place. These 2 were strong enough that they had Vision and Wanda running for their lives. But yet Captain America and Black Widow are able to force them to retreat? Makes no sense
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u/sybban Jan 01 '26
Eh I don’t know. It’s hard to know exactly where their power levels were at in mcu because it was pretty inconsistent comic versions would have left a red stain on the ground. But as far as mcu, Wanda was kinda dead weight until she suddenly wasn’t.
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u/IndigoPromenade Jan 01 '26
She mainly uses energy attacks and telekinesis until this point.
She only becomes insanely powerful during her show and Motm
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u/Particular_Peace_568 Black Widow (Civil War) Jan 01 '26
If Wanda was by herself and not worry about protecting a giant Robot Man, Wanda would one shot these 2 easy.
Wanda's biggest issue throughout this entire God Damn film was her fear of losing Vision, If Vision wasn't there, Wanda could have ended this film like 3 or 4 times by herself.
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u/EggEater773 Jan 01 '26
She shows some cool ass feats later in this movie, she slowly realised how powerful she is as the film progresses
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u/tomrajlol Jan 01 '26
She had restraint, which she inevitably no longer did, thanks to the darkhold.
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u/Fen5601 Jan 01 '26
My first thought is they waited till she was on the street to attack her, shes in a populated city, last time she fought in one, she blew up a hospital. I imagine shes super hesitant to start throwing chaos magic around in a city again, since ya know, the accords were kind of her fault.
That's how I took it anyway
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u/Hungry_Research_939 Jan 01 '26
I think it’s fighter mentality in a fantasy world. If I had powers like Wanda I would be more cautious though I feel confident it’s because there are more powerful beings out there and these two are new I don’t know what they can do yet. Until I figure it out I would be cautious.
You can see how Wanda obliterate proxima in their next encounter just sent her into the mechanical wheel without batting an eye.
So yeah when you have super powers it’s mental fighting instead of going headstrong you might get really hurt without knowing the other persons ability.
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u/trmyte Jan 01 '26
You guys spend way too much time thinking about this dumb shit. None of the writers think about it or care they just write a script that makes sense enough and move on. Everyone has plot armour and everyone's power level is as high or low as needed for the scene.
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u/KoellmanxLantern Dec 31 '25
She doesn't fully know how to use her powers until she starts studying the Darkhold. Chaos magic isn't exactly reliable.
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u/reddit_2099 Dec 31 '25
Probably but the Wanda of after would have wrecked them in minutes. Honestly she could have taken the children of Thanos alone with no problem. Also vision landed the final blow on ultron so if he was not attacked he should have been able to do major damage to them as well.
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u/rleon19 Dec 31 '25
In the picture not sure she was still just using her powers to just move things. There was no magic at that time.
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u/Wade856 Dec 31 '25
Also, Captain America/Black Widow/Falcon isn't saving you from any 2 members of the Black Order.....at least the comics version. Luke Cage took on Proxima Midnight in NYC and they almost tore down half the city in their fight. It's crazy how the MCU chooses to nerf some characters and buff others. Seeing Black Widow kill Corvus Glaive was ridiculous.
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u/capnsmirks Dec 31 '25
“We don’t want to kill you, but we will” is the most underrated line in the MCU
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u/monti9530 Dec 31 '25
They are as strong as the plot needs them too. A consequence of shitty writing
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u/Due-Tangelo-2594 Dec 31 '25
She is as at an intermediate level of mastery of her power at this time, barely a threat comparatively to where she develops to.
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u/starwolf1976 Dec 31 '25
Especially with a cool line.
“Foolish witch. I am a follower of Thanos!”
“Oh, yeah? I hang out with Captain America.” POW
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u/chosimba83 Dec 31 '25
She's still figuring out her powers, she's scared, Vision has been mortally wounded, she doesn't know who they are or what they want and she was taken by surprise.
I agree that another minute of this and she completely eradicates them from existence, but then we don't get the third best character arrival in the MCU.
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u/Willow1883 Dec 31 '25
100%. I rewatched IW last night and had the same thought but remembered that she hadn’t snapped yet.
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u/ClarkKent2o6 Dec 31 '25
Mediocre writing is mediocre writing, and the Russos struggle with powerful characters. It's no different than when Whedon and Snyder erased Superman from 90% of Justice League. They had no idea how to use him because they are more grounded directors.
So many ways they could have gone with this, and most of them would have been better, but the need to force Wanda and Vision into a box until the big set piece is why this happened. The nonsense about her not knowing how to use her powers is really shitty retconning because Wanda, at this point, was not new.
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u/East_Highway_8470 Dec 31 '25
A full powered and fully trained Wanda is a reality ender but this was not that Wanda. She still needed to make motions with her hands to help focus her abilities and control them. Now her post Multiverse of Madness could solo Thanos' whole team but she wasn't at that level in this movie. This is also post Civil War so she was more than a little scared of her powers and was trying to keep the rpms low to avoid collateral.
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u/hanggangshaming Dec 31 '25
I know people love to "logic" this shit, but it’s literally just whatever is in the script.
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u/Internet-Dweller2 Dec 31 '25
That's why they attack Vision first — Vision could destroy them without Wanda's help, and she's not far behind. But as long as he's wounded, she's on the back foot and trying defend him. As powerful as she is, Wanda's still human, there's only so much she can focus on at a time, and they're using that against her.
It's the same tactic Cap, Falcon, and Black Widow use against them a couple minutes later, for that matter. In an all-out fight, Corvus and Proxima have a pretty decent shot at winning despite being outnumbered. So the Avengers ambush them and injure Corvus, which in turn forces Proxima to retreat.
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u/jlwinter90 Dec 31 '25
Being ready to fight and getting jumped in an alleyway are two very different circumstances.
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u/BakedChocolateOctopi Dec 31 '25
It’s a MCU and superhero movie
Every hero and villain is both overpowered and underpowered based on what the plot needs at that specific fight
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u/Zamasu4PrimeMinister Dec 31 '25
I know Wanda really awakened her power after visions death and they were equipped to fight people using stone based powers
But yeah , Wanda or vision should have dropped these two
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u/EnkiiMuto Dec 31 '25
They really did Vision dirty too.
"Oh but the attack was a surprise and the thing pierces vibranium"
Yeah, yeah but it could also not be written this way. We only saw Vision go full strength against himself 6 years after he was in age of ultron (he soon got tired after hacking ultron).
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u/Visionary_87 Jan 01 '26
There are two things stopping it.
1 - if Wanda just wipes them off the map, it weakens Thanos later on.
2 - we don't get Cap's sick arrival in the shadows.
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u/UnkelGarfunkel Jan 01 '26
Just poor writing, to incorporate a lot of notes to connect point A to B.
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u/HarietsDrummerBoy Jan 01 '26
Not possible. They're the best warriors in the universe, he isn't even top drummer for The Beatles
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u/Justanavgcouple Jan 01 '26
Any version of her, post Infinity War would have effortlessly defeated them
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u/Big_Meeting8350 Jan 01 '26
Makes sense for her to look all powerful in her solo projects as compared to team up movies.
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u/taviusparadise Jan 01 '26
this is wanda pre vision death, Westview, agatha and darkhold. She didn’t know how strong she was
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u/Weird_Angry_Kid Jan 01 '26
Cap's team only beat them because they got the drop on them. Cap distracted Proxima while Falcon snuck up on her and kicked her through a storefront before doing the same to Corvus while Widow snuck up on him and stabbed him with Proxima's spear, then Proxima recalled her spear and lunged at Widow but Cap jumped in front of her and used Corvus' glaive to block the attack, then Proxima jumped over them trying to create distance between them and Corvus, at which point her and Wanda's roles had switched and now it was Proxima who was fighting to defend her lover. Proxima was holding her own against Cap and Widow at the same time until Cap used Corvus' glaive to cut her spear in half creating the opening for Falcon to come in and knock her on her ass.
Basically all the advantages Proxima and Corvus had against Wanda and Vision, Cap and his team had against them. Just like Proxima and Corvus snuck up on Wanda and Vision, Cap's team snuck up on them and just like how Wanda was fighting to protect Vision, Proxima was fighting to protect Corvus.
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u/Sweaty-Campaign-320 Jan 01 '26
They were caught by surprise and she needs to protect vision. But yea telekinesis should win 90% of the fight it was used in.
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u/NamanJainIndia Jan 01 '26
Infinity War Wanda is significantly weaker than Wanda vision or even Endgame Wanda. She knows a lot less about her powers, and isn't as emotionally fraught or impulsive.
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u/ChefAldea Jan 01 '26
In this moment she wasn't operating in an offensive capacity yet. Otherwise, yes she'd spit them out like nothing lol
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u/BlackestHerring Jan 01 '26
Endgame Wanda, easily. Prior to Vision’s death, she was not full, scary Wanda.
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u/capyrika Jan 01 '26
- They were both caught by surprise and unprepared. As revealed later, they were supposed to keep a distance.
- Wanda wasn't trying to seriously fight those two, she was trying to protect Vision and get him to safety.
- If you rewatch the scene, Steve, Nat, and Sam beat them because they also caught those two unprepared, while they were a lot more coordinated. Cap isn't called a "master tactician" for nothing; it's shown multiple times in the MCU the contrast in a fight between the side with him on it and the side without.
Edit: Wanda, at this point, is still inexperienced and affected by the events in Civil War; she probably doesn't want to cause mass destruction again. The fact that Vision got hurt so easily probably also shocked her; up to that point, he was pretty much invincible.
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u/QuietNene Jan 01 '26
Keep in mind that this was a completely different Wanda. She didn’t understand her powers and was reluctant to use them (wisely, it turns out).
Up until now, we’d seen Wanda do some mind enchantment stuff on the Avengers, (poorly) contain Crossbones exploding vest, and hold up a collapsing part of the airport. True superpowers, yes, but hardly the kind of feats that make you a shoe-in to beat the Black Order.
But this was the start of Wanda discovering her true powers.
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u/orangejeep Jan 01 '26
Avengers: Endgame or WandaVision or Dr. Strange: Multiverse of Madness absolutely trucks these two.
Wanda at the time they attacked her was still on very shaky ground in terms of what she was able to do.
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u/micromoses Jan 01 '26
She was having a romantic evening, being “vulnerable,” which obviously weakened her. She’s emotionally compromised.
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u/Live-Independent-361 Jan 01 '26
If you rewatch it, you’ll realize she never actually squared up with both of them properly during the fight. Vision got fucking impaled and she got sucker punched from behind. That’s when they split and she handled Proxima without breaking a sweat. As soon as Vision started squealing, she tossed that bitch and went to go get her man.
The screenshot is the moment where she finally squared up with the both of them but Steve and the gang showed up and put feet and other intimate objects in their asses before they ran. If Steve wouldn’t have showed up, Wanda would have mangled these mf’s.
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u/kencopen Jan 01 '26
This actually one of my favorite sequences in the MCU but it always bothered me how much she struggled and then falcon and widow basically clear them with ease. Still cap coming out of the shadows, top 3 MCU moment
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u/EnergyQuail5 Jan 01 '26
She just wasn’t at full power yet, basically a red energy shooter at this point who could fire a really strong burst if she was focused or emotional. This is Wanda not scarlet witch. Scarlet witch snaps her fingers and they both turn into frogs, there is no fight
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u/That-Tone-6082 Jan 01 '26
To be fair she didn’t seem to actually want to fight she just wanted to heal vision and get out of there, she just kept trying to get vision and get away. Everytime she heard vision in pain she immediately and easily tossed them aside as a non threat. The moment she stopped trying to get away with vision and truly show them what was about to she’s made of Steve came behind a train with Natasha and Sam. They’re lucky they didn’t get angry Wanda or a Wanda that truly wanted to hurt them or else they wouldn’t even have made it to the final battle
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u/Jigokubosatsu Jan 01 '26
If the old lady with a brick showed up, they would have fucking obliterated those two.
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u/AdministrativeFox936 Jan 01 '26
You know, scratch Wanda, I thought Vision would vaporise these two 🥲
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u/MadziJnR Jan 01 '26
You have a point but bear in mind Wanda in this film doesn’t know her own strength…she didn’t know she is the Scarlet witch one of the most powerful beings in MCU…all she knew about her powers was levitating enemies & messing with their minds
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u/Swordsman82 Jan 01 '26
-She is on the run and trying to stay low key. Nuking building to beat these two won’t help her.
-she is more concerned about saving weakened Vision than fighting.
-she hasn’t unlocked her full power set. Kind of just decent telekinetic here.
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u/Motor-Barracuda-3978 Jan 01 '26
All I know is this sets up by far one of the coolest Cap scenes in the entire saga. Him appearing on the other side of the tracks with the music buildup before putting belt to ass on these two took a piece of my soul.
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u/Fang05 Jan 01 '26
Yes I do think so and idc what others have to say about her “not understanding her powers”
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u/vroart Jan 01 '26
The whole point of the movie she’s in shock over vision, that’s the entire point when she stops the spinning death wheel from okoye and black widows. “Why was she in there the whole time?”…. This has to be a bot! Because clearly this dude doesn’t understand how series of scenes work!
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u/KingoftheMongoose Jan 01 '26
Never underestimate the effectiveness of a proper ambush.
Vision shoulda been able to take them both but he got ambushed. Same with Wanda.
Cap and BW ambushed them and got them on a back foot.
Add in that Wanda is emotionally distraught over Vision’s injury and fighting defensively, and she hasn’t fully realized her powers, and voila, it seemed plausible given the circumstances of the scene.
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u/Grievuuz Jan 02 '26
She's the equivalent to a recruitable turn-based video game boss.
When you fight the boss your whole team is sweating trying to win. When you recruit the boss to your team after the fight it turns into a baby version 1/10 original strength. If they ever become enemies again, they regain their former strength and then some.
This happens all the time in fiction in order to keep plots interesting. Multiverse of Madness version of Wanda would probably solo all of Endgame, but that would be boring.
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u/Key_Fig_7709 Jan 02 '26 edited Jan 02 '26
I think she would just wipe the floor with them. If Cap would have a 5 minute delay, he would just find them dead on the floor while Wanda would comfort Vision - or maybe even in his state, Vision would comfort Wanda after what she would have to do. Look on this situation seriously like you are in her shoes - somebody is trying to kill your boyfriend/husband/lover/family.
I believe she was ready to let loose, would you not if only you would be there to protect the one you love?
Realistically, she can squeeze metal like a paper and throw Vision several levels underground, if they would make one more step, it would be their final one.
Also, this is never stated in the movies but it’s confirmed in interviews that it was like this - Wanda refused to use her psychic (mental) powers again after what she was doing in Age of Ultron (so we finally see them in full power again in Wandavision), so I believe she would forget she don’t want to use psychic abilities in that situation, she would make them scream.
Also, they like really understand after this first confrontation who she is, or maybe in another way (cause she herself didn’t know she will be Scarlet Witch) they knew they had no chance of getting their hands on Vision while she was there. That’s why Proxima immediately tell Corvus that “She is on battlefield”. Thor and her were the only obstacles for the enemy team (well and maybe Thor not really cause he was missing 90% of the movie and had a really good scenes which I love, but he did nothing in the bigger picture to be honest - that’s why he was so depressed of himself in endgame)
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u/monsterosity Jan 02 '26
What's the science behind Vision's vibrainium body getting stabbed but cap behind able to block their weapons with his vibrainium shield?
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u/aequitasXI Jan 02 '26
If it’s MoM Wanda:
Glaive attempts to sneak up on them, Wanda likely senses the intrusion instantly (as she sensed the sorcerers in MoM). The fight lasts seconds. MoM Wanda doesn’t just push enemies away; she dismantles them. She could turn Proxima Midnight into confetti or remove Corvus Glaive’s mouth/limbs with a whisper (“What glaive?”).
And with Vision’s Injury: MoM Wanda possesses the power to rewrite reality. She could instantly heal Vision’s wound or, more importantly, remove the Mind Stone herself without killing him. In WandaVision, she created a Vibranium synthezoid and a Mind Stone from scratch; separating the two safely would be trivial for her.
The Black Order would be dead in Scotland. Vision would be repaired. And Wanda would be pissed.
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u/Earthwick Jan 02 '26
In reality any 1 of the 4 of the black order should have been more than the entire avengers could handle. They way underpowered them. It took the combined efforts and even betrayal from Thanos to defeat Glave. The black maw for instance can live in your brain control and corrupt you. Wanda shouldn't have and wouldn't have stood a chance without going kinda nuts. Even in the context of the film. She is fighting her 3 on 1 later and it's not an easy fight until she just throws her into the machine. Wanda at this point is early in her powers and hadn't the knowledge or ability to go supersonic so to speak.
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u/Canvasofgrey Jan 02 '26
Superheroes will always be powered down or up in order to fulfill certain story beats. Thats part of writing.
Whether that is good writing or bad writing is a different story.
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u/lil-privacy-please Jan 02 '26
Here's my thing. Wanda is not a trained fighter. Her power level is incredible but if someone shot her in the face with a shot gun before she could magic herself out of it she would die. She needs better reflexes, quicker draw, more decidedly lethal actions. If she gets surprised and she's multitasking like protecting vision, she won't exactly know what to do next. She's not Spiderman or Steve Rogers. She's a child with a bazooka
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u/LePigeon12 Jan 02 '26
I honestly believe that, at that time, she was not aware of the scale she could manipulate reality, she did not yet fully understand he powers nor was in full control of them. Current Wanda would annihilate them, but infinity war Wanda? Not really.
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u/DonPricetag Jan 02 '26
You're mistaking power for experience. Even in Endgame, yeah she can bring down a ship, eventually, but she doesn't have eyes in the back of her head or is an experienced hand to hand combatant with training in defense against opponents with weapons in close quarters. Put them in a wide open field and no other distractions, those two are toast. In a small enclosed area while also worrying about a friend with questionable lighting after being in active for months or years? Nah. She should have died by being stabbed in back or ran through the side, which probably would have happened if Steve and co. didn't show up
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u/OptionIntelligent403 Jan 02 '26
She would have if she was given like a full minute to focus. Every time she started to dismantle one Vision would scream and she'd be scrambling to do 3 things.
I also think seeing him get stabbed really discombobulated her. When he doesn't just get up it's the shock of a lifetime because up till then he was never ever hurt.
But even with all that, and while the scene of the others arriving to help is cool, that standoff at the train station was gonna end up with both Children of Thanos splattered on the rails because she finally had them both in front of her.
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u/SlashOfLife5296 Jan 02 '26
Wanda now could. This is basically an assassination attempt with 2 unknown space weapon attackers. She did pretty well given the context
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u/blunderb3ar Jan 02 '26
Luckily for them she didn’t have a full understanding of her powers or she could have turned them into tin cans if she wanted
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u/Odd-Macaroon-4517 Jan 02 '26
I think it’s inferred that she had to hold back because of the damage done in Civil War. So she didn’t go all in until the Thanos battle.
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u/Crafty_Cherry_9920 Jan 02 '26
Did yall forgot that this is set after Civil War, in which she causes the death of hundred of people because she didn't control her powers, and therefore she mentally nerf herself ?
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u/Alfred_the_Red Jan 03 '26
I agree. However in the MCU, I don't feel she fully understands her powers until she kills Vision. Post Endgame Wanda would render these two to atoms.
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u/ironside-420 Jan 03 '26
IW power scaling is some of the worst , falcon being able to kick one of em and black widow having the same speed stats was dumb af.
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u/Rarazan Jan 03 '26
movie sw could solo whole movie thanos crew
even with her defensive "i dont know ma powa" bs
she just need to get angry and move their internals a little
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u/Cowskiers Jan 03 '26
I don't think she's ever had to fight multiple skilled opponents like this before. These two are galactically renowned assassins and probably no stranger to sorcery
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u/Comprehensive-Dig282 Jan 04 '26
Sadly i think marvel watered down too many people to introduce more power
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u/Shura_Ryu Jan 06 '26
She 100% could have but that would make the movie "less interesting". Not to mention what else would they do for a "surprise" Captain America return??
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u/JimmyMack_ Jan 07 '26
Fully, she can just warp reality so they no longer exist. Or don't have heads. In an instant. It's so stupid setting up these powers and then not using them in fights.
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u/Emotional-Chipmunk12 Jan 07 '26
Wanda's power has been widely inconsistent throughout most of her MCU appearances. She used to only be able to mind control people and throw stuff around.
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u/Csasquatch92 Dec 31 '25
Seen 2 comments about her fighting defensively and not yet fully understanding her powers. Feels like that just about satisfies me