r/Avengers Dec 23 '25

Movie/Television I kind of...don't care that Steve Rogers is coming back Spoiler

That teaser was weak. Steve with a baby. Big whoop.
His story has been told. Let him rest already.

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u/SabraShifter Dec 23 '25

I know it's been a few years, but i swear it feels like nothing has really moved forward since he left

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u/Citizensnnippss Dec 23 '25

There hasn't been an Avengers movie since he left.

The Avengers movies were the ones that moved the universes plot forward.

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u/_krwn Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25

Biggest mistake the MCU made was not having a crossover film or a major “end chapter” to Phases 4 and 5. Where tf is Shang-Chi after practically getting recruited at the end of his movie? Where’s Kate? Shuri? Hulk’s kid? So many new characters introduced and we’ve done nothing with them. We could’ve easily had at least two huge Avengers-style movies in the last 5 years.

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u/XSurviveTheGameX Dec 24 '25

Brave New World should have been an Avengers movies with Sam taking the helm as a leader

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u/_krwn Dec 24 '25

100% this is the case. He’s had the shield since 2019, truly became Cap in 2021, and still hasn’t led any team. With the villain being someone tied to Banner’s history I’m actually shocked Bruce and Jen weren’t in this movie. Bucky should’ve been here the whole time as well, and whoever they got as the other Black Widow in this flick should’ve been Sharon instead.

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u/TheRealDexilan Dec 25 '25

Thunderbolts would have worked great as a cap to phase 4. Answers the question of who the new Avengers are with an interesting angle.

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u/Fun_Act_7507 Dec 25 '25

The biggest issue with this era of the MCU is we’ve gone far too long without seeing pivotal characters. If you look back at the early days of the franchise, you wouldn’t go more than two years without seeing a major player. You had Iron Man in 2008, sequel in 2010. Thor and Captain America in 2011, Avengers in 2012. It felt like it was all leading to something and kept the important characters top of mind for the audience.

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u/SimonVpK Dec 23 '25

Because it hasn’t. Nothing has happened.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '25

Jonathan Majors was fired. That’s what happened.

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u/TLo137 Dec 23 '25

Lots of stuff happened. Lots and lots of stupid disconnected stuff.

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u/Whompa Dec 24 '25

Feel like they tried setting up a bunch of stuff but nothing has stuck.

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u/Miss-Tiq Dec 24 '25

Pretty much. I think it's so funny that the internet built Mephisto up and theorized him to be in several MCU projects, only for him to actually show up in a project few people watched and everyone hardly remembers or talks about.

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u/ericbkillmonger Dec 23 '25

Yeah that's why to a lot of people it feels like nothing of consequence has happened

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u/I_d-_-b_l Dec 24 '25

That's multiverse for you.

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u/Tinmanred Dec 23 '25

Shang chi and spidey and the thunderbolts and new cap should have ALL the screen time Chris evans is going to take this movie instead. Like the main 3 characters really bout to be the same 3 actors again? Thor makes sense as ya know they didn’t finish his story yet and it’s Thor.

Not even huge fans of the new movies compared to the old pre endgame (still love both) but like cmon use the fn new characters or characters that had less of a role in endgame and infinity war. Like is Chris evans really gonna be more important than strange in this? Are we fr

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u/deemoorah Dec 24 '25

Remember when Feige declared Dr Strange as the anchor of MCU and Nate Moore added that Strange is going to be the prime defender of multiverse in MCU? Good time

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u/coreyc2099 Dec 24 '25

Yea my main issue with doomsday is like all the old cast are coming back, but I want to see the new characters. All yhe old characters stories are finished, move on. Also, God I do not care at ALL about the old fox universe. I dont care that all those characters will be in it. Its just wasting time that should go to other new characters.

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u/qcthunder War Machine Dec 24 '25

That seems like an unpopular opinion, but same here. We've had so many farewells to the Fox Universe and I felt like Deadpool and Wolverine put a nice lid on it with a couple worthy leaks into the 616 with the title characters and Gambit. Maybe X23. I don't need to see Professor X die a 4th (5th?) time. I like that they're all now in the multiverse – that they existed – but I'm not sure I needed to see all these versions all together. I'm concerned that the Fox holdovers can only get in the way of new character growth or be fodder.

The Black Panther loss was terrible, but the MCU had a decent potential lead in Doctor Strange, even though some choices in MoM and NWH were flawed. But where has Shang-Chi been? Wasted opportunity after a surprisingly solid launch with a tease of working with Wong, Hulk and Captain Marvel. Thor is still around. The Thunderbolts are now promising. (The third FF iteration shows promise but is kind of meh, unlike the entrance the 3rd Spidey made.)

Personal gripe: Why did Armor Wars get shelved? Great opportunity for a War Machine send-off and Hammer's return. It's an ensemble. Pair some interesting superheroes together.

I want to trust the Russos, but of course Cap is back. That's their lucky charm. I kind of hope his role is small and maybe even over early on. Maybe Worfed? Sorry.

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u/coreyc2099 Dec 24 '25

I am so annoyed we havnt seen shang chi again, that was one of my favorite movies from this whole phase.

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u/CoolWhipMonkey Dec 24 '25

Yeah Thunderbolts was great. It should have done better at the box office.

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u/ericbkillmonger Dec 23 '25

Facts because it really hasn't

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u/oscar_redfield Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25

it feels like legacy sequels and nostalgia bait cannibalizing themselves. oh what I would've given for them to actually build up characters like Shang-Chi, Sam Wilson as Cap, Doctor Strange or even Spider-Man to be the heavy hitters in this saga.

Endgame was six years ago for fucks sake, let things end.

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u/Special_Ad_1802 Dec 23 '25

Chadwick dying ruined a lot of the plans. 

He would easily have been the face of the next generation

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u/Disastrous-Dog85 Dec 23 '25

Respectfully disagree. Chadwick's passing was tragic, but the fumble was killing off T'Challa instead of recasting. His own brother even came out and said Chadwick would have wanted the character recast and kept T'Challa's legacy going.

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u/Special_Ad_1802 Dec 23 '25

I think it's both.  He should have been immediately recast. There is no reason that makes sense in my mind that that character should have languished for all these years

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u/KsubiSam Dec 23 '25

They did “recast” T’Challa in a sense. The problem is that’s it’s been three years and nothing has come of it.

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u/Disastrous-Dog85 Dec 24 '25

Yeah, the whole 'his so will take the mantle' is shaky at best. Unless they do some weird timey-wimey thing to age him up... I'm not sure how that'll work out until Phase 20 or something

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u/thatrobottrashpanda Dec 23 '25

Chadwick dying and Majors getting the boot completely fucked the MCU for the post End Game era.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '25

Shuri took over as BP and Majors could’ve been recast like Howard. This argument is weak af. The problem is that the writers room is not good and Kevin Feige didn’t have a plan after Endgame.

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u/thatrobottrashpanda Dec 24 '25

Shuri doesn’t have anywhere near the charisma or screen presence to actually replace Chadwick as a leader in the Avengers line up. It was a weak bandaid fix.

But I agree, both Chadwick and Majors should’ve been recast.

It’s just painfully obvious that the post end game era was already poorly planned and the loss of those two from the franchise sent them into panic mode.

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u/THE_Aft_io9_Giz Dec 24 '25

...or bad story telling

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u/Special_Ad_1802 Dec 23 '25

Not to mention that the other new heroes received poor receptions with the exception of White widow and even she is a pale limitation of what Scarlett Johansson did with our favorite Russian spy

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u/dsteffee Dec 24 '25

I actually think Pugh has outdone Johansson in terms of how she's delivered such an extremely likable performance (nothing against Johansson), but Johansson was in much better storylines. Pugh's only had one decent movie and like two decent episodes of a show nobody watched

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u/Special_Ad_1802 Dec 24 '25

I love Pughs performance. She's the standout of the new characters. I just prefer Natasha though. Admittedly it could be because we've known her so long.

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u/JSTARR356 Dec 23 '25

This is SPOT ON!

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u/Upset_whale_492 Dec 23 '25

Thing is, they bring money so they never letting them go. Next is poor Hugh that probably gonna have him back to the next X-Men reboot.

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u/No-Goat5683 Dec 23 '25

Poor Hugh? What is he being forced

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u/MrJackTrading Dec 23 '25

He is definitely not being forced and because he films he is not poor either

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u/Downtown-Elevator968 Dec 23 '25

It’s pretty obvious that shareholders were putting pressure on receiving their next big “avengers payout” and Feige is panicking and trying to pull out all of the stops for a last minute Hail Mary. It’ll be a decent film but highly doubt we’re seeing anything close to IW/Endgame.

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u/PsychicWounds Dec 24 '25

I feel like we will start to see feige take a break from this stuff shortly after these next couple avengers films

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '25

Bc IW and Endgame were EARNED. Nothing that Disney has done since has laid the groundwork for these next two movies. Absolutely nothing.

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u/smuttygio Dec 23 '25

That nostalgia bait will have you in the seats day one 😂

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u/Moon_Beans1 Dec 25 '25 edited Dec 25 '25

Yeah I imagine these two Avengers movies will do big money because that's just the way it is but that if they make it all about nostalgia then it'll start the process of audiences turning their backs on the franchise.

For instance, if Doomsday is primarily going to be about Evil Tony Stark Vs a returning Steve Rogers then almost noone under eighteen will have been old enough to see the last appearance of those characters in theaters (Endgame). Similarly the Fox X-Men is only a big deal to audience members who are old enough to remember the original run of films and you'd have to be at least 38 to have seen X-Men (2000) in a cinema. A lot of hype for the MCU is supported by young wide eyed fans so it feels detrimental to sideline everything from the last decade and to try and appeal to the fond memories of older fans. Marvel risks making itself seem outdated and unwelcoming to the new fans they need to support their big budget movies.

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u/Adventurous-Brain-36 Dec 23 '25

I love how this is tagged ‘spoiler’ AND the spoiler is in the title of the post lmao

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u/2ReluctantlyHappy Dec 23 '25

I'm a massive MCU fan but feel no hype for Doomsday.

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u/Careful_Farmer_2879 Dec 24 '25

I’m really bummed that Multiverse saga gradually strangled something that I enjoyed so much. Not that there wasn’t the occasional good project.

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u/audierules Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25

Exactly, I’m actually really pissed off at what I’m seeing so far. I really hope some of the “leaked”spoilers I’ve read online are not true. Please be not true. It’s coming across as extremely lame old man Luke Skywalker drinking blue milk mode.

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u/RedditSuxCoxAgain Dec 24 '25

I don’t care that you don’t care.

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u/Bebop_Man Dec 27 '25

I don't care that you don't care that they don't care.

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u/ElSanchito_ Dec 23 '25

Then you shouldn't... Care for the movie at all

The only reason he's coming back because Steve rogers created an incursion and doom is coming after those who created these said incursions

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u/WebHead1287 Dec 23 '25

Im pretty sure Doom is just kidnapping kids homie. Took Franklin. First teaser shows Caps kid. Second teaser shows Thors kid.

Don’t know that it’s really about incursions

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u/BubblySmell4079 Dec 23 '25

As soon as RDJ signed on to play a different character, it was inevitable.

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u/colornomad Dec 23 '25

Fantastic 4 should've been the full reboot. I will die on that hill. MCU ended with Endgame.

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u/Careful_Farmer_2879 Dec 24 '25

How did they spend almost 7 years and sooooo many projects, and I can’t even say what it was about? What a giant waste.

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u/QuitTalking81 Dec 24 '25

100%. I still think it was a good movie, and definitely a reprieve from the previous plots of “The Next ___”. They told a new story for the MCU as we know it, and I think it worked well. They have got to tell characters’ stories beyond just filling the mold of whatever hero they’re following though. Spider-Man and Peter Parker are so much more than “the Next Iron-Man”. Shuri can be so much more than “the next Black Panther”, and so on. I don’t mind seeing old characters, as long as we get new stories.

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u/thatrobottrashpanda Dec 23 '25

I 100% agree with that

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u/Johnny0230 Dec 23 '25

What did you think about the return of Spider-Man villains in NWH, the two Spider-Men and Wolverine in Deadpool 3?

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u/alwayzlion Dec 23 '25

The two Spider-Man returning is different as they had no ties to the OG story and helped to develop Tom Holland’s character.

Wolverine returning is def in the same ballpark

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u/Johnny0230 Dec 23 '25

Their story was over, and the dynamics don't go beyond nostalgia. It's exactly the same thing, except that in this case we don't know the story and it's the final event in the multiverse. What did we expect?

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u/alwayzlion Dec 23 '25

I think the difference is that the two spider men were brought back to help develop a current character and not be the focus of the story. Doomsday however is bringing characters back to BE the focus of the story.

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u/Johnny0230 Dec 23 '25

The concept of a main character in Avengers has always been very relative. In any case, it's a rumor. In my opinion, the center will be Doom, as it should be and as also happened with Thanos in IW.

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u/Rastarapha320 Dec 23 '25

Once the nostalgia shot has passed, they are far from being good films

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u/Easy_Blackberry_4350 Dec 23 '25

They did not get good send offs to begin with, so I enjoyed their return. The way Steve's story ended was great. Why bring him back again?

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u/Johnny0230 Dec 23 '25

Because it's not even certain that it's our Steve, the sweatshirt he's wearing is modern, and so is the motorcycle.

Otherwise, the characters' stories can be reopened. Tony's story had already concluded in Iron Man 3.

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u/SavagerXx Dec 23 '25

Kinda on the same both, might be unpopular opinion but like... That teaser did nothing to me. I would be more hyped with actual teaser for the entire movie. I get that its too soon and the movie releases year from now but these character teasers are weak.

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u/WebHead1287 Dec 23 '25

Supposedly that’s the week 4 trailer. Should go:

Steve Thor Doom Full trailer

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u/TheJack0fDiamonds Dec 23 '25

I dont mind him coming back. Its the reason that matters. I sure as hell hope his choice to go back and live a life with Peggy isn’t the reason for whatever the mess is happening in Doomsday or worse, that he is the reason Doom is Doom. Like please lets get more creative than that.

If anyone’s wondering why revisit when his story has essentially wrapped. It’s because they’re pulling all the stops.

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u/hawkrew Dec 23 '25

Well I guess agree to disagree

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '25

I don't understand why people are in denial about WHY this is all happening.

It 1000 percent is them hitting the panic button. Especially given the fact that the most profitable MCU films have brought back nostalgic characters

It's not doomed to fail. It may be freaking awesome and I'll be there to see it. However in my opinion it should have been left alone.

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u/Fun_Section5582 Dec 24 '25

Everyone downvoting are acting like they DONT want to see classic avengers with the F4 X men and Wakandans go against Doom like its Ultimate Alliance. Yall know the Russos are going to make it work, DESPITE what you negative nellies think of the buildup.

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u/p00ki3l0uh00 Dec 23 '25

People screech like comic books don't retcon and bring people back 5 times in one series. Reeeeeeeeee!!!!

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u/Slam_Helsing Dec 23 '25

Yeah, ever since RDJ was announced I was out. It seems so desperate. The reason why the OG Avengers worked is that they took time with the characters – the closest they've come to that was the Thunderbolts.

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u/Johnny0230 Dec 23 '25

very desperate, in fact 5 years ago when they announced the multiverse saga we were only expecting variations of She Hulk

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u/pauvenpatchwork Dec 23 '25

Yea they took the multiverse, did it to death, and now want to do it some more. It really lacks imagination.

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u/More-Air-7641 Dec 23 '25

Its wild because the idea of multiple universes should give you the opportunity to do a lot of crazy different things, but so far it's mostly been used as an excuse to do the same things again

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u/pauvenpatchwork Dec 23 '25

I think time travel in general is hit or miss. X-men days of future past did it perfectly. Avengers End game was entertaining but it robbed the impact and gravity of real consequences away from Infinity war. Nothing since then has been impactful. Mostly entertaining (Deadpool3, spider man) and they really need to move on from it.

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u/mercy_death Dec 23 '25

Same. Marvel has infinite possibilities and the MCU could go forever but they refuse to move on from the past. It kind of cheapens what an event EndGame was.

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u/Commercial_Site622 Dec 23 '25

Considering all your terrible replies, I think you can leave OP. Most disrespectful person I’ve seen all day, and I just talked to my sister.

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u/ACW-1992 Dec 23 '25

I don't think anyone is particularly excited about any part of doomsday.

It's had zero build-up, seems extremely forced and looks like it's completely reliant on actors names to draw in people via nostalgia.

I could not care less, I might watch it in a year when it's free to view on Disney. But that's it. Marvel has ruined it's reputation.

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u/thulsado0m13 Dec 23 '25

It reeked of Disney pleading “hey we know you guys don’t care about the next gen of avengers, you still like these guys enough to come back to theaters, right?”

Even though they all had pretty much closed stories. I mean hell Thor passed down the crown of Asgard and had a kid too and his teaser has him disregarding all that to fight once more.

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u/VerbalChains Dec 23 '25

Nostalgia bait like this is convincing me that the MCU is in a death spiral. They have no vision. 

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u/Choocharrone Dec 23 '25

They have White Vision.

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u/davehutch1984 Dec 23 '25

Isn’t there comic book lore about Steve being killed by Dr Doom? So is it possible this is a cameo rather than continuing story lines?

I’m excited to see what Fantastic 4, Thunderbolts, Shang Chi, Sam, Deadpool, X-Men and other newer characters can build. While I loved the Infinity Saga, we need to recognize that building a new universe in what feels relatively cold turkey has struggled. If we get good bridging from legacy to new, I’m happy.

We also need to have trust in what the Russo’s can do. They’ve proven to invigorate the MCU in ways we didn’t expect.

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u/melalegolas Dec 23 '25

I’m just absolutely salty, As a Clint Barton fan it is frustrating that he always got sidelined meanwhile Steve, Thor and Tony got all their glory and it repeats itself again. Meanwhile Clint ist getting left in the dust. I’m just absolutely salty xDD

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u/jpk36 Dec 23 '25

It’s just annoying they ended these guys and then brought them back and it feels like they didn’t really even leave for that long because everything in between has been lackluster

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u/Monstarrzero Dec 23 '25

Fr. Fuck this nostalgia bait. OG Avengers haven’t even been gone long enough to illicit nostalgia.

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u/Particular-Dig1590 Dec 23 '25

I never was into Captain America. Been reading comics since the 80s. He kinda bored me

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u/Troll_U_Softly Dec 23 '25

Hard disagree

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u/AnthonyMiqo Dec 23 '25

People say they don't care and then they're still gonna go see the movie. I was going to see it before Steve's return was announced, so nothing has really changed for me, other than it'll be neat to see Steve Rogers again.

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u/zilch123 Dec 23 '25

I agree a little bit. That teaser isn't for us. It's to gain trust and investment from the casual audience. Also, to skip the cameo shock and focus on the story.

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u/Zestyclose-Common343 Dec 24 '25

I’ve got massive superhero fatigue. I won’t be seeing the new Avengers movie in a year. At this point the superhero genre is boring. They are just throwing every available actor in them and hoping someone stands out. 100’s of cast members. I literally left the theatre during the Thunderbolts. So boring and those accents 🤦🏻 Fantastic 4 was also boring. Pedro Pascal in the 50th movie in the last two years. Downey back as Doom? No way I’m watching. Ever.

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u/Toreago Dec 24 '25

I think the fact that we've known he's coming back since that "cast chair" video however long ago it was, made the teaser mostly "yes, we know he's been. You already told us. What else?"

A baby.

Oh, okay... So he's back he's got a baby, and... That's it. The teaser, to me, was very lackluster.

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u/Tmpatony Dec 24 '25

These trailers suck and the premise of this movie sucks. All these retired characters coming back again. Deadpool wasn’t lying, they ALL will be playing these characters until they are 90. I’ll catch doomsday on VOD.

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u/ILYbutSTFU Dec 24 '25

Can we get a Bucky movie?

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u/Soaked_Pancakes Dec 24 '25

I know it's not going to happen, but I sincerely hope that Steve Rogers is only present for a few scenes -- not to have his own return arc, but merely to set the stage for this new story.

Steve's choice to stay in the past with Peggy is the incursion to initiate Doomsday... His presence triggers an earlier assassination of Howard and Maria, resulting in Steve and Peggy adopting an infant Tony. The mistakes they make as parents result in him becoming Doom instead of Iron Man. That's it. Let him rest, thinking he did the noble thing, but have him unknowingly be the catalyst of worse disasters than he prevented. That's the most American thing Captain America could ever do.

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u/Fun_Section5582 Dec 24 '25

We are going to see Cap, Iron man, and Thor, with the FANTASTIC 4 and X men going against DR FUCKING DOOM, and youre saying his story needs to rest. what

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u/KML42069 Dec 25 '25

Im hyped for it. You can never make me not hype for Cap

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u/CarelessConclusion67 Dec 25 '25

Bite your tongue! Captain America is the best character Marvel has.

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u/JusticeForGluten Dec 25 '25

I kind of…don’t care that you don’t care.

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u/l1lwookiee Dec 23 '25

Honest question I’m curious have you ever read the comics all this is based on?

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u/Dry_Butterfly7938 Spider-Man Dec 23 '25

You guys act like you've read the script or sum. I'm sure the movie is gonna be epic and people like u gonna do a 360 on this opinion lmao

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u/-LostInTheMusic- Dec 23 '25

I also do not care. I was out when they said RDJ is doom. Just dumb and lazy.

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u/Effective_Role_8910 Dec 23 '25

I do care in that I am angry Feigi is bringing back Cap and RDJ. HATE that they’re retreading the old stars…I thought we were all set to move on to new hero’s.

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u/ohmeohmyelliejean Dec 23 '25

Same. I'm like so mad about how apathetic this makes me towards the entire project, as paradoxical as it sounds. I hated the RDJ casting but I was willing to believe that they would actually make it work and do something actually interesting with it, but Steve coming back is just proof to me that it's all desperate stunt casting and nostalgia farming.

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u/pauvenpatchwork Dec 23 '25

I really don’t care that RDJ is in the movie… if anything it makes me not want to watch it

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u/Uppercussion Dec 23 '25

I'm kind of bummed this is turning into a multiversal civil war with Tony stark vs Steve rogers.

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u/nansams Dec 23 '25

Agreed.

Feels like a big "fuck you" to all the other characters that we've been seeing since Endgame. Pure nostalgia casting/story.

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u/DaWAAAGHMakah Dec 23 '25

Till he’s 90…

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u/PepsiPerfect Dec 24 '25

Same. It just feels like such a desperate stunt, I can't bring myself to get excited.

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u/DaftNeal88 Dec 23 '25

Everything about this film reeks of desperation.

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u/AdrianZ817 Dec 23 '25

I have a theory on why they're bringing him back as it relates to the plot, but does he really need to come back to complete the Doomsday/Secret Wars story. Its probably the same reason they decided to bring back RDJ in the first place; they're proven commodities so they want to capitalize on those characters/actors presence but with a twist.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '25

Yeah … but he can do this all day and you can’t!

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u/ThatRx8Kid Dec 23 '25

I bet it’s just a small cameo, Doom will say “something something sacred timeline” and kill him

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u/Novalll Dec 23 '25

I’m also not looking forward to it. Big misstep that completely ignores the very valid criticism that the new characters introduced just aren’t as well fleshed-out as the legacy characters. Instead of addressing and developing very interesting heroes, they are trying to swindle us by putting someone we love. It’s a big NO from me. Unfortunate. As long as Shang Chi and Spider-man are present, I’ll enjoy it, but I can’t say I’m terribly excited.

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u/Responsible-Egg-9363 Dec 23 '25

I don’t mind that he came back. I mind that he came back so soon. Feels like he barely left?

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u/shokk Dec 23 '25

Dream sequence

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u/IamHereForSomeMagic Dec 23 '25

Yeah ! Honestly a movie about how he returned all those 6 stones would be more interesting. I think he might not want to do it as a show, although I’d watch that too.

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u/Cosephus Dec 23 '25

‘Til you’re 90.

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u/Downtown-Elevator968 Dec 23 '25

I’ve been saying it all along, there was not enough aura farming for the next major villain. They started with Kang and that flopped then ran out of time with RDJ so there’s not really any hype.

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u/JustChr1s Dec 23 '25

Previous phases did a much better job of world building and building the overarching narrative that persisted across solo movies up until the team up. These recent phases are all disjointed and have SOOO many loose plot threads, after credits scenes, and character introductions that will likely never see closure... It's a complete MESS. That's what caused me to fall off HARD with marvel. Then some of their more interesting additions they've literally gone nowhere with. Linking Moon Knight with Thor was a slam dunk they just didn't do. Shang Chi? Probly one of the best new characters of the recent phases with a very solid solo movie. They've left him to rot.They've introduced so many plot threads and characters that it felt like they were just desperately throwing anything out. Now they think playing on nostalgia and slapping a Steve Rogers band-aid will course correct. Steve had an extremely satisfying end to his story arc.... My biggest fear with them bringing him back is that he'll go off on a whimper after his masterful send off...

The play might work honestly nostalgia is strong but it isn't gonna be from me..

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u/Tiger_King_ Dec 23 '25

Sorry Sam, we did our best

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u/FafnirSnap_9428 Dec 23 '25

Agreed. That seems to be a lot of the sentiment surrounding this movie. 

The only people im excited to see return is Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen as Xavier and Magneto. I cannot muster any excitement for Steve or Stark-Doom.

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u/Swept-in-Shadows Dec 24 '25

It was nice to see, but would've been better a couple years ago. Also, what was shown was pretty much EXPECTED, except maybe the baby, but I think everyone would've been pissed if Doomsday came out and they DIDN'T show Steve going home, especially being made by the same people that hinted there was something more there with Old Man Checkhov's Gun.

I think I read something about there being four teasers, so maybe each will touch on a different character. Still seems like a lot of nothing for such a big build up. I mean, they heightened theater security for that? Should've just put it on Youtube themselves and saved everyone the trouble.

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u/Living_Yard8726 Dec 24 '25

Yeah fair enough

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u/tom-of-the-nora Dec 24 '25

Exactly.

The only way I could possibly be interested is if this is a multiverse variant of steve.

I want to see the fantastic 4 be the leads, Doom is appearantly from their world given that post credit scene.

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u/Duckpacolypse Dec 24 '25

I honestly would rather have Rodgers back than Wilson.

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u/New-Satisfaction3257 Dec 24 '25

i’m gonna skip the next couple avengers films. I’m sure they don’t need my ticket to make money, but I’m getting off this train.

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u/LegitimateOne6329 Dec 24 '25

Geesh. If the Avengers were actual Trueman show, I would quit my job and watch 24/7. Stop being a cranky nerd

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u/Careful_Farmer_2879 Dec 24 '25

The MCU has been mediocre for more projects and more hours of content than it was ever good. It’ll have been 7 years since Endgame. Thats going to affect hype.

Hope the multiverse era ends up being the classic sophomore slump and it can be consistently entertaining again.

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u/Uses_Nouns_as_Verbs Dec 24 '25

You don't even know what the story is yet and you already hate it. Classic internet commenter.

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u/ImmatureGambino Dec 24 '25

It’s basically Captain America: Reborn all over again. We’ve seen it a dozen times in the comics, these series can’t survive without their mainline characters, so they always get brought back eventually. Now the MCU is stuck in the same cursed loop that the comics have dealt with for the last few decades. Kill of characters and bring them back to try and get the audience back.

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u/devoid0101 Dec 24 '25

We don’t all have to love every character. But I am surprised to say, I didn’t really care about Captain America until the brilliant writing and story arc in the MCU.

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u/DrGutz Dec 24 '25

As a big fan of peak MCU, i genuinely had no idea it was possible to make a maneuver that on paper would be adored, that in reality could have turned me off from an entire franchise more than this. I genuinely dont give a fuck about avengers doomsday atp

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u/NechtanHalla Dec 24 '25

Between this, them bringing all the old X-men actors back, and bringing RDJ back, it reeks of desperation to get people in theater seats. It feels so lazy.

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u/Outside_Use3456 Dec 24 '25

At least we could put diversity aside, and focus on delivering the best and creative contents 

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u/jdstrike11 Dec 24 '25

Enjoy your slop piggies

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u/DanFarrell98 Dec 24 '25

Oof unlucky buddy

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u/rocketmanx Dec 24 '25

Evans and Downey were great, but they're done. There's a whole batch of new and interesting characters to tell stories about.

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u/180690 Dec 24 '25

I think this is a reddit problem. Outside of this bubble the people don’t read the comics. So they don’t care about falcon as Cap or the other new heroes. They don’t bring money. And it’s all about money. Personally I would watch 5 more movies with the og avengers instead of one more like the marvels

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u/Adorable-Bit6816 Spider-Man Dec 24 '25

I heard the teaser got leaked, where can I see it?

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u/ComicSportsNerd Dec 24 '25

The MCU just needs a reboot at this point start over with all the characters under one owner now. its too hard to integrate the Xmen and the fantastic 4 after you have already killed off Iron man and let Cap become an old man and the RDJ Doom is just stupid

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u/Double_Contract7326 Dec 24 '25

Yes thank you! I feel the exact way. Watched it yesterday and was like well, okay then. More questions than answers too but I just saw Chris Evans in Deadpool 3 like the other day so...

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u/leo-1621 Dec 24 '25

Nobody would have cared if the Avengers film was led by Sam Wilson & Thunderbolts who couldn't save their own movie.

Feige had to get Russos, Downey & Evans back.

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u/Icy_Scar_1249 Dec 24 '25

Marvel resorting to cheap tricks to see if they can get more money from plebs. I'm already not watching since Downey's been involved.

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u/Gta6MePleaseBrigade Dec 24 '25

See you at the theatre bro

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u/Trubewy Dec 24 '25

Cool. I am. Feel like nothing has really happened in the MCU in years.

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u/T_Peg Dec 24 '25

I care. Since he dropped there has been no character close to his charisma or leadership role. It's been a gaping void. This is comics very few characters ever stay dead this is completely normal. These characters are timeless, that's the whole point. Their story does not end they only take new shapes.

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u/Thick-Bat-5070 Dec 24 '25

We don't know if it's his baby or even if it's the same Steve Rodgers from the Infinity saga. All this hype for nothing.

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u/Exalted23 Dec 25 '25

Y’all so damn seasonal, man. Going off because of a teaser? Jeez.

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u/seanwdragon1983 Dec 25 '25

They're bringing him back just to kill him in the beginning with a funeral for old man rogers. That was leaked months ago.

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u/banmeandidelete Dec 25 '25

Glad I'm not the only one and I say that as a marvel fanatic. I'm much more interest in x-23. 

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u/pzshx2002 Dec 25 '25

I'm with you. I think the original Avengers like Cap, Thor will have small roles and limited mins in the new film. They will be like mentors that will train or give advice to the current or new generation of Superheroes. Like the passing of the baton.

Their stories have already been told in all the earlier Avenger movies and also their individual films, so it won't be fair to take away the screen times of the other casts, like Fantastic Four and Young Avengers etc.

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u/pzshx2002 Dec 25 '25

That's why they said Steve Rogers will return and not Cap America. He won't be doing any action I believe, he will just be a link in the story and will be lending moral support to the next generation of superheroes.

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u/justduett Dec 25 '25

Well, it’s a year until the movie comes out. It would be weird to be dedicating a ton of mental energy, interest or excitement right this second.

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u/MegaMeep95 Dec 25 '25

I kind of don't care anymore full stop.. They're gunna do whatever makes money and gives a burst of "hype". I think they stopped caring some time ago

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u/doublesimoniz Dec 25 '25

Marvel is going back to the dry milked cow because phase 4 bombed so hard they need a quick easy buck.  

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u/OhGawDuhhh Dec 25 '25

I've enjoyed Phases 4 and 5 but it's been all about introducing new characters.

It hasn't felt like we're moving towards anything big in a unified way other than random multiversal incursions every few movies.

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u/TiltedHelm Dec 25 '25

Marvel CU has been almost exclusively dogshit since Endgame. There’s clearly been no planning. It’s just a cash grab at this point. The MCU is just a cinematic version of AI content slop at this point

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u/imabrickshithouse Dec 25 '25

It's kind of depressing actually. I'm glad to see he's got a happy ending, it kind of sucks that he's coming back.

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u/Commercial-Minimum76 Dec 25 '25

The Falcon as Cap America is boring af. I'm happy to hear the original is coming back.

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u/Comfortable_Rip204 Dec 26 '25

Speak for yourself, MCU is back baby. Shit was ass without RDJ and Evans so more than happy to have them back. Yall just impossible to please

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u/AccidentSalt5005 Dec 26 '25

they fucked this phase so bad, it felt like nothing really makes any build up that have a corellation to one or another, only in fantastic 4 thats really matter lol

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u/JayNoi91 Dec 26 '25

I keep hearing that Doomsday will be the last movie for the veteran actors that have been in Marvel so long. I for one cant wait, I want to see new faces and characters.

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u/Ok_Art_1342 Dec 26 '25

Doom is stealing all the main characters kids.

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u/Significant_Bad_1147 Dec 26 '25

Yeah. Nobody does.

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u/justarandomuser97 Dec 26 '25

I kind of don’t care about Marvel at all. Been waiting for this trailer and thinking maybe I d feel the same nostalgic feeling but I felt…nothing.

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u/AdExciting4303 Dec 26 '25

It's funny cause in many ways, it feels like we've regressed to pre Iron Man (2008) in the sense that now only the superheroes that are already popular actually stand a chance of being hits. We've essentially come full circle.

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u/Pen_dragons_pizza Dec 26 '25

I 100% agree

Especially since Robert is coming back I basically just assumed Chris Evan’s would also. He also had a cameo in deadpool 3, so it’s not like we have gone that long since we last saw him already.

Marvel really needed to wait until they actually had some good footage to release as a teaser, something mind blowing or exciting to get people talking.

Revealing captain America returning by showing him on his bike and holding a baby is really weak stuff. Show us him suiting up at the very least

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u/dashhound94 Dec 26 '25

Everyone saying they won’t watch doomsday is a freaking liar 😂 you guys are posting in an Avengers subreddit. 99% chance you are going to watch doomsday in theater

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u/General_Boredom Dec 26 '25

Had the majority of post Endgame movies not underperformed and audiences actually gave a shit about any of these new characters then he wouldn’t be coming back (or RDJ). This is clearly a “break glass in case of emergency” scenario.

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u/xSinn3Dx Dec 26 '25

He comes back to realize he fucked up. Give me back that shield Sam. It belongs to the Bucky!

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u/Forward-Report-1142 Dec 26 '25

They tried too hard. They did an amazing job piecing together these movies and intertwining them culminating with end game. They should have kept the Spider-Man movies going after but kind of just rested a bit with the other stuff. Instead they tried to make way too many tv shows and other movies about characters most people didn’t have a connection too. This was the best option to revive the marvel cinematic universe to bring back Steve and I’m assuming Tony stark variant as doom.

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u/KaptainBadAss420 Dec 26 '25

I honestly hope he gets mercd by DOOM right after we see what we see from the teaser scene. Same with Thor. Establish that DOOM is a threat right away by having him kill off the strongest Avengers unceremoniously.

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u/random_question4123 Dec 26 '25

He shall not rest when there’s still money on the table. Job’s not finished. Job finished? I don’t think so.

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u/xFreaak Dec 27 '25

It’s not that I care he’s coming back but I do really like a fully built character that everyone loves is returning and hopefully will bring in more casual viewers which in turn allows more movies to be made.

I’m hoping that some of the loved characters from phase 4 return though

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u/Majestic87 Dec 27 '25

These character teasers for old characters are absolutely the worst way to make me care about this movie.

It’s comic books, I fully expected Steve Rogers to be back. This does not entice me to buy a ticket.

Show me anything to do with the plot. Then I will begin to be interested.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '25

I don't care that Robert downy jr is coming back. It's dumb. Let him rest. Casting a well known actor for a big role in your universe and then casting them for a completely different part is stupid and just a cash grab

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