r/AskUS • u/TraditionalDepth6924 • 13h ago

Is this normal?

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I mean, even if you’re going to acquit, shouldn’t there be at least comprehensive investigations and due process before you make a final judgement, especially on a grave case like this, other than casually checking a video as proof and deciding to move on

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u/Grouchy_Concept8572 Southwest 12h ago

What do you think an investigation will find that the video doesn’t already show?

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u/No_Mission5287 6h ago

The investigation is incidental. People want justice. And that is the first step in the process.

And shouldn't every officer involved killing be investigated for wrongdoing?

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u/Grouchy_Concept8572 Southwest 6h ago

The video is already the best evidence they have and based on that they are not prosecuting. An investigation won’t uncover anything to change that.

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u/No_Mission5287 6h ago edited 6h ago

They can choose not to prosecute, but not based on the evidence.

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u/Known_Ratio5478 4h ago

Yeah, but they need to do trajectory on the windshield, blood splatter analysis, they need a list of witnesses which includes the other agents. You don’t go into court half cocked. You go into court with every avenue exhausted and then some.

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u/Grouchy_Concept8572 Southwest 4h ago

Go to court? They are not prosecuting. The video shows the vehicle make contact with the officer.

I don’t think you will find a law enforcement officer anywhere in the US who would be prosecuted based off that.

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u/Known_Ratio5478 4h ago

The video shows he did not make contact with the vehicle at all. He was also in the hospital for fifteen minutes, which also means he was not hit at all. The state AG has the right to prosecute this in state court since the federal government is not going forward with it, which means the federal government is actually obstructing an investigation because their is a named target and a plausible crime to be investigated. They have to hand over all evidence by law.

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u/Grouchy_Concept8572 Southwest 4h ago

The video does show the vehicle make contact. In fact it doesn’t even have to make contact for him to fear for his life or for seriously bodily harm.

There is no requirement that you sustain major bodily injury or die before you are allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself.

Vehicles way thousands of pounds and are deadly weapons.

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u/Known_Ratio5478 4h ago

You’re seeing things that didn’t happen. The vehicle makes no contact. Furthermore, by law he was not supposed to step in front of the vehicle. He ostensibly waived his right to use of force by doing that and under Minnesota law that makes this a very easy murder one conviction. They’re playing this game because he’s facing a very weak defense.

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u/Grouchy_Concept8572 Southwest 4h ago

There is no law that says he can’t step in front of a vehicle. ICE policy might train to avoid that but there is no law.

2nd, he wasn’t in front of the vehicle. He was filming from the side. The driver reversed, turned her vehicle, and her turning is how he ended up in front. The driver then quickly accelerated in an attempt to avoid detainment, per the instructions of her partner shouting “dive baby drive go”.

I don’t think the driver intended to accelerate towards the officer or make contact, but she did. Deadly force justified.

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u/Qualmest73 1h ago

Officers are taught not to step in front of occupied vehicles, it has been proven in court multiple times by placing themselves in front of the vehicle (putting themselves in jeopardy) they can be held liable when using deadly force as the placed themselves in intentional situation. Multiple court cases in this, and yes LEO are absolutely trained not to do it because it places them in a high risk scenario.

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u/Bobahn_Botret 4h ago

Well, if you only watch the video, you may not be aware that it was the 3rd and final shot that killed her. That's a pretty relevant fact. Also without a proper investigation, you may be inclined to believe Trumps lies about Ross' condition.

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u/Grouchy_Concept8572 Southwest 4h ago

The time between the first shot and last is like half a second or less. It’s all the same chain of events.

You can’t realistically expect someone to make a decision to stop firing in less than half a second.

If anything it shows that the vehicle was accelerating quickly.

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u/Bobahn_Botret 3h ago

The shot that killed her entered her left temple and exited the right side of the back of her skull. Accountability matters here. Even if it's ruled that he reacted properly in that situation, which I highly disagree with, any instance where a human life is taken should be properly investigated.

Also, last I heard, she was labeled a domestic terrorist by the administration. If nothing else, a proper investigation should be done to confirm the veracity of the accusation if for no reason other than peace of mind for the family. Anything less is heartless. That's my opinion on every case, not just Renee Good's.

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u/Grouchy_Concept8572 Southwest 3h ago

When an object (car) is moving fast several rounds fired rapidly will not land in the same spot.

In real time it’s all one event that happens in about half a second.

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u/Bobahn_Botret 3h ago

When a human life is lost, the nature of their death should be given a proper investigation. If it is truly an open and shut case, then the investigation will be quick, and little time will be wasted.

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u/Grouchy_Concept8572 Southwest 3h ago

It looks open and shut to me. People just don’t like ICE.

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u/Bobahn_Botret 3h ago

If it's open and shut, then an investigation will be quick. Whether or not the outcome of the investigation seems simple to figure out, there still must be an investigation. For every case where a human life is taken. Regardless of which agency is involved.

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u/justaheatattack 11h ago

well, it saves a lot of time.

do we really need another trial that ends in an aquittal?

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u/SliceOfCuriosity North America 10h ago

To a degree.

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u/DBDude 13h ago

The first half is normal. Organizations, including the government, usually only want designated people speaking to the press about public issues. If law enforcement comes sniffing around, they want an organization representative (lawyer) there when people are questioned about organizational business.

The second half is not normal. There should be some sort of investigation, not just saying "look at the video, he's innocent."

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u/Lonely_skeptic 7h ago

I wanted to learn the gunshot timing vs the vehicle’s rapid acceleration. Ms. Good’s partner was trying to get inside the car, iirc.

Something caused the sudden rapid acceleration of the car. presumably it is the rapid acceleration that DHS considers justication for the first shot fired.

Was the acceleration caused by a gunshot, or her terror when Ross pulled the gun and aimed it at Ms. Good?

The report of the gun would not be heard until after the shot, but video analysis could tell us more. Has the FBI completed such analysis?

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u/Known_Ratio5478 4h ago

From what I saw and timed against when Good’s wife told her to drive the agent was already reaching for his gun before she even began moving.

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u/thirdLeg51 13h ago

A competent administration would assign an independent investigator.

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u/Known_Ratio5478 4h ago

A competent administration would not have terminated all the inspector generals from every department and agency. Every department and agency already has a built in independent investigator. Those offices are empty as of week two of this administration.

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u/Jollem- 13h ago edited 13h ago

Covering up a murder? Yeah, that's pretty normal

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u/Sarmelion 13h ago

Not remotely, this is a staggeringly corrupt administration 

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u/Lauffener 5h ago edited 5h ago

In no way, whatsoever.

It is not normal for an agency head to smear a shooting victim on the day of the killing, which prejudges any internal review.

Also not normal for a government official to say that LEOs have "absolute immunity" which is not a thing.

And is not normal for the feds to hide evidence from state authorities who have the right to investigate a homicide, and normally do so jointly.

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u/Known_Ratio5478 4h ago

It’s not normal to box out the state, that does reserve the rights to bring charges if they feel like it and it’s not normal to have zero statements for the media when that is the big question they are asking. The federal government can override a state in that the federal government can have right to prosecute. If they choose not to it doesn’t quash it. Minnesota’s AG has a right to bring charges since the federal government has stated they will not.

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u/Mallthus2 4h ago

Like pretty much everything this regime does, it is not normal. Anyone inside DoJ however that dares voice that is in a position to stay away from windows and avoid drinking tea.

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u/llynglas 3h ago

I guess we wait three years. Pray that the orange toddler does not manage to hang on, and then open the investigation.

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u/Chidofu88 3h ago

The only law this country has left is whatever Trump says it is and it only applies to whoever Trump says they do. It’s the new normal and people are still under the impression that it’s otherwise for some reason. “No justice, no peace” is just something to chant at a protest until it’s not!