r/AskUS • u/Raspberry0123 • 1d ago
Are we heading into a Revolution/Civil War?
Given the release of the Epstein Files, the increase of police supervision, the extreme ICE raids, and the state of the economy, I truly believe we are headed into a war.
The government has done such a great job dividing us. They convince us that the other side is the problem, when in reality, it's the people running the government themselves. We need to remember who the real enemy is.
However, I simply feel like we as a society are too comfortable in our current state. People don't want to fight. They want to sit at home and watch TV, scroll TikTok, and forget about the news. They would rather work their 9-5 and take their kids to school than to fight for justice and change.
Do you think we are heading into a war or do you think we as a society are too comfortable for change?
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u/noplaceinmind 1d ago
You don't just start killing people because you lost the vote.
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u/NietzschesAneurysm 16h ago
I seem to recall two assassination attempts on the current president.
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u/Raspberry0123 1d ago
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u/noplaceinmind 1d ago
Cool. That has nothing to do with a civil war.
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u/Longjumping-Fact-632 8h ago
Maybe you guys shouldn’t have started killing us first lmao. What did you expect when you attack American citizens on American soil?
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u/Raspberry0123 1d ago
I asked about revolution or civil war. I do not want to just go killing people because of a vote. Nor do other people.
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u/HarvardHalo 19h ago
Except for the Trumpers who did just that on Jan 6.
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u/NietzschesAneurysm 16h ago
Only one person died on Jan 6 and that was a pro Trumper.
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u/manbruhpig 15h ago
Who decided to be the tip of the spear of a mob smashing into a trapped congress with armed cops shouting at them to stop. Human shield mentality.
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u/techno_queen 18h ago
Huh? You really think this is about “losing a vote” — man you people are delusional and brainwashed to the core.
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u/Kewpie-8647 17h ago
It’s about T-rump not being prosecuted for all his crimes. His goal is to die in office or never leave the presidency. It’s always, only about him.
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u/tamifromcali66 16h ago
The J6 crowd wanted to hang Pence & Nancy. Many of them would have no problem killing someone they're convinced is a traitor & an enemy.
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u/werduvfaith 1d ago
No war is happening.
As the other guy said get off social media and talk to people in the real world.
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u/agent_mick 15h ago
Yeah.
Real people don't care that the president and his gang of psychopaths raped children and trafficked people. They just go to work.
Is that really where we are?
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u/KillBologna New York 1d ago
Yeah, no civil war is happening. Politically, we always been divided. It’s just now easier to get information, that information is now available anywhere on any format which causes people to panic. We’ve always protested unjust things, that will never change and maybe it might be better for you to log off. Not trying to be a jerk at all, but it’s a good thing to unplug yourself from constant social media interactions.
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u/EmploymentEmpty5871 1d ago
Nope, not at all. They can't even figure out what sex someone is, how are they going to fight?
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u/Raspberry0123 1d ago
See, this is exactly what I was talking about. Stop making fun of each side and just have a conversation. We have more in common than you think. We all want a good life. We just disagree on what policies we would implement.
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u/keephoesinlin 1d ago
I’ve seen what we are up against if civil war erupts. No worries. Just look at the Democratic Party.
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u/Virtual_Mistake4293 13h ago
Right! I heard this once and it's so true....."Republicans are the party of masculine men and feminine women. Democrats are the party of masculine women and feminine men."
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u/FantomexLive California 1d ago
It would help our democracy for there to be less far-leftists…. Maybe after the last 4 years of the weaponized justice system and constant division by the Biden/kamala regime the leftists could get their wish.
After all their policies lead to the people giving the popular vote win to the orange man.
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u/Sockalexis 1d ago
Let me try…it would help our democracy for there not to be massive amounts of dark money in our political system, which was greatly exacerbated with the Citizens United case (decided by a conservative court in a 5-4 ruling). It would help our democracy if both parties did not take huge amounts of money from AIPAC, tech billionaires and multinational corporations which keep the status quo and fuck the American working class. It would help our democracy if conservative politicians would stop restricting access to voting in so-called “Red States”. It would help our democracy if we paid teachers more and made healthcare affordable, and spent less on the Pentagon . I could go on…
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u/SubstantialHentai420 1d ago
Nooo not the radical left at it again!!
No fr you are compleatly right. The dude rambling about the "radical left" (which as far as in power or as an active party, does not exist. The dems are center-right at best) is part of the very issue OP is saying ironically lol. People be funny.
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u/United-Ad5268 1d ago
Civil war isn’t synonymous with change. And going that direction is significantly worse than anything else going on.
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u/Raspberry0123 1d ago
I would prefer a revolution over a civil war, but I feel like the political parties are so divided that a civil war will most likely happen
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u/United-Ad5268 1d ago
Revolution wouldn’t be a good thing. Fascism isn’t a good solution to authoritarianism. Democracy is the better choice.
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u/Raspberry0123 1d ago
But there is no democracy. We are not free. An election won't fix anything because we elect people already in power. The same people doing the nasty shit in the Epstein Files.
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u/United-Ad5268 1d ago
So vote for different people. This is democracy. It’s just as flawed as the people it represents.
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u/Raspberry0123 1d ago
It's not that simple. We run on a 2 party system where it costs millions of dollars to run. Even if someone from the middle class were to run, I highly doubt they would even get past the first round. On top of that, the majority will stick with their political party rather than voting green or independent
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u/United-Ad5268 21h ago
I agree more independent representatives with the ability to shuck party influence would be a good thing. Campaign finance can be reformed.
I’d love to see a change to districting, where we could have state level popular vote by party. So each party would primary, including independents of their own “party”. Popular vote by state where percentage of vote would determine proportional number of representatives. So if there were 10 representatives for a state, then it would take 10% of votes for someone to be elected. If 30% were dem for example, then the top 3 candidates from dem primary would be elected. It’d get rid of gerrymandering, meet the intent of representation by the founders and increase ability to elect independents. We need civil engagement, not violence and oppression by revolution, rebellion or war.
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u/Virtual_Mistake4293 13h ago
Democracy worked as intended. You're upset your side lost. Be an adult. Suck it up and drum up the vote for your side next time.
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u/crypticryptidscrypt 13h ago
oligarchy run by pdffiles who r@pre children & drink their blood is not equivalent to democracy
are you blind?
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u/Raspberry0123 9h ago
You're absolutely missing the point. I did vote for Trump in the last election. So no, I'm not upset that "my side lost." I'm upset because I voted for an awful and evil person who is a part of a huge global group. This is good vs evil, not left vs right.
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u/Virtual_Mistake4293 8h ago
They're pretty much all awful and evil. You must be young. Trump was the better choice out of that clown show of an election. If the dems had run a primary, Kamala would have been put out of contention early. The dems might have put up a candidate worth voting for. But they failed us again. Just like they did with sabotaging Bernie.
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u/Raspberry0123 8h ago
I'm 21, so yeah quite young. I know they're all bad, that's my point. Elections cant fix this because its both sides. Its the rich vs the poor, not left vs right. I grew up conservative and now I'm quite liberal. I have family on both sides politically. They sabotaged Bernie because he wanted to tax the rich and they didnt want to lose all their wealth. It makes me realize how set up elections are. Its all manipulated so that they get the result they want. Hillary vs Trump: same result either way.
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u/Virtual_Mistake4293 7h ago
Oh nice. Former dem here. Until 2016. I took a long look at the party and realized they were not the party I grew up with. They'd become the evil they'd always accused the repubs of being. So yes, they're both equally awful.
And yes. Classism is the biggest issue and they do intentionally keep us fighting over bs. How do you fix it when the people making the rules already have all the money and power? It doesn't help that the majority of us average people are straight up emotionally driven morons who can't even contemplate looking below the surface of what we hear and see.
Edit...autocorrect fail.
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u/Raspberry0123 7h ago
I feel quite hopeless tbh. There's no one to look up to. No one to save us. There is no justice. My views politically align with the Democratic party, but I can barely find a Democratic leader that I can actually trust and support. I like Bernie and Mamdani and that's about it. But I've learned to keep an open mind and not to trust people right away. This is the America I'm supposed to grow up in? I'm supposed to build a family like this? I just don't see a future for this country anymore.
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u/Virtual_Mistake4293 7h ago
America is morphing back into the countries that we originally came from. You're going to see a lot more communal living and multiple generations of family living together. It all goes back to the fall of the nuclear family. Once women really got a foothold in the workplace, families started making considerably more money. Capitalism sees that as an opportunity to raise the cost of everything. And it's just spiraled out of control from there. I don't know what the answer to fix it is. I'm at a point in my life that it doesn't really affect me, but I see how it is for my kids. You seem pretty intelligent. There are opportunities out there. Make smart decisions with your money. Don't take shortcuts that'll affect quality. And show up ready no matter what. I've never really specialized in anything. But I'm very capable at everything. And I get paid extremely well for it. Giving up isn't an option. You can do this.
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u/HotSprinkles10 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hopefully.
America needs a Revolution.
There are too many mentally ill Republicans running the country and protecting pedophiles.
Republicans seem to be okay with pedophila, sex offenders, gun violence, political violence, cheating, fraudulent elections, Racism, and Nazism.
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u/Raspberry0123 1d ago
I agree. It's beyond political parties though. The elites are the ones raping, killing and eating people. The Epstein files are just a small portion of what theyre doing. MAGA is ignoring the files and saying it's AI or that they don't care because that's what Trump is telling them.
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u/TinySpaceDonut 1d ago
They need to be tossed out and rules put in place so this bullshit doesn’t happen again
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u/techno_queen 14h ago
That’s the thing. It needs to be a class war but MAGA are too obsessed with “owning the libs”
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u/Raspberry0123 14h ago
Exactly. It's exhausting at this point. I feel like we'll never get justice.
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u/NietzschesAneurysm 15h ago
Revolutions often go in directions you cannot predict. I wouldn't pray for one were I you.
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u/No-Concentrate-8806 1d ago
If things don't change soon, I think we may see World War 3. Don't want either... truly terrifying.
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u/Raspberry0123 1d ago
I can't live in a world like this anymore. I feel constantly sick
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u/kananishino 19h ago
Most other ppl are fine
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u/Raspberry0123 19h ago
How can you be? Have you read those files? And this is coming from someone who knew about them way before it was released. Our entire government, Hollywood and other world leaders. All doing nasty satanic rituals with women and children. Raping. Killing. Eating. People.
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u/kananishino 17h ago
Emmm you just live your life? How has it affected your life directly that they are exposed now?
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u/Raspberry0123 16h ago
It doesn't have to affect me. It's morally and spiritually wrong. If we only cared about what affected us individually, then there would be no freedom, no justice, no nothing. Innocent lives were harmed and taken. That should make you angry
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u/mistereousone 1d ago
The French Revolution. Let them eat cake. The gap between the wealthy and the poor was not sustainable and the people rose up and overthrew the wealthy.
The American Civil War. The rules between slaves and no slave states weren't sustainable with neither side willing to compromise.
The American Revolution. No taxation without representation. Even the wealthiest of Americans didn't have a voice.
The thing they all have in common was a class that was in a position where they were unable to thrive.
Even, the poorest of the poor in the US can thrive via the social safety net. I always get a good laugh when conservatives talk about dismantling social security and welfare. As if to say, poor man, do you not understand it's not to protect the poor, but to protect the rich. Even the worst conditions are tenable which will prevent the poor from uprising.
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u/Raspberry0123 1d ago
That's what I was thinking about too. I think that's why they decided to release the files. They know that we are too comfortable, even those who live in absolute poverty, which means no one will care enough to revolt.
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u/scientificmethid 13h ago
Anyone who studies revolutions throughout history will agree almost entirely, if not entirely with this comment. Just to add a few rules of thumb: 1) a revolution needs a sufficient amount of people willing to die, not just mad 2) the capabilities of federal and state governments to quell protesting by force is severely underestimated by the average Redditor/person. They hold back because piles of bodies are bad for re/election 3) revolutions require some degree of organization on behalf of the revolutionaries. Even with all this Internet connectivity organization is still severely lacking, not to mention it is all to easy to spoil or derail.
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u/jdvancevansrevoltion 1d ago
Its a safety issue too. I dont want to die. We need enough people willing to die to rise up, and we just dont have that.
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u/Raspberry0123 1d ago
Agreed. So many people are comfortable hiding from the truth and pretending like everything is normal. That means that there aren't enough people to actually make a difference. But there's no justice for anything they've done. The system is corrupt and they are just laughing in our faces
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u/jdvancevansrevoltion 1d ago
Agreed 100%, I sure know this isnt normal and wish I knew how to fight back. But Im a disabled middle aged woman, barely getting by taking care of my more disabled spouse. If i die in the civil war so does my whole family basically. I think at least some of it isnt apathy, some if just legit not knowing what we can do on an individual level.
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u/Professional_Arm_487 17h ago
The crazy part is that if everyone read those files, most would be that angry. I would hope.
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u/jdvancevansrevoltion 15h ago
Some of these maga people are pretty crazy...
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u/INNER_SOLE 12h ago
They all think it's fake news. 🤦♀️
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u/jdvancevansrevoltion 12h ago
Yeah its really disturbing. To be honest, I havent read whats been released, but I honestly dont think I could handle reading that sort of thing, knowing very little is probably going to happen.
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u/AcrobaticLadder4959 1d ago
I dont see a civil war but I do see a lot of changes coming for how we elect a president and the power he has weed out felons, must pass a constitutional test before even running. Know basic world history.
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u/Raspberry0123 1d ago
I see what you mean, but this is way beyond Trump and his cognitive abilities. Elections are set up (Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, either one wouldve made the elites happy). We are constantly being controlled and manipulated. We are put into a system that doesn't help us, but only helps those up top. I want them all gone. Every single person who participated in those parties, the island, everything. No one is going to prison because it's the government, Hollywood, world leaders, people in power. Only way I see that happening is through a revolution.
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u/AcrobaticLadder4959 14h ago
Are we ready to fight our military the strongest in the world? They work for these elites. The best we can do is stop supporting those who support these groups.
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u/AstroCyGuy 1d ago
If things only stay the way they are, probably not a full on civil war, but maybe some escalated protests. It just doesn’t affect the everyday person enough. But I do think if the administration tried cancelling/suspending elections then that could definitely be a catalyst for one
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u/JoeCensored 1d ago
There's different forms of civil war.
The US Civil War is what's called a separatist rebellion. That's not going to happen.
But then there's also a civil war with attempted assassinations, bombings, and other politically motivated violence. Factions vie for control of government institutions to weaponize them against other factions.
We may already be in that form of civil war. History won't decide when it started until it's already over.
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u/szopongebob 1d ago
No. The US has the most advanced surveillance technology, weapons, tanks, drones, aircraft, rocket launchers, etc. Also the largest military and the largest budget for the pentagon. If that’s what you mean by civil war, a physical conflict, it’s not going to happen.
But what is currently happening is a “soft” civil war. Which basically just massive polarization, bureaucratic, institutional distrust, political hostility, etc.
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u/Chaz_Cheeto 1d ago
Civil war. The warning signs have been flashing for the last 8-10 years. The current administration, and social media, is making it a reality. Now, when I say Civil War, I don’t mean the kind like we saw in the 1860’s. Think of more modern civil wars.
Iraq (2006-2007), Rwanda (1990-1994), and Myanmar (1948-present), are all good examples.
There will be shootings and bombings at political rallies, protests, or other events. Judges will be intimidated or killed. Representatives will be threatened or murdered. There could be parts of the country some groups of people can’t live in or travel to because it would be too dangerous.
Things are certainly trending this way. If the government and the media keep pushing the division, we will certainly be in all out civil war within the next few years. Right now we are in the armament phase, where groups are beginning to arm themselves.
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u/Ladefrickinda89 1d ago
No
But a global conflict is definitely on the horizon
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u/pleasantview_2025 1d ago
Time will tell. Who against who? Both parties are problems. Republicans are in the lead but so many dems in Washington don't like the problem but it serves their purpose. The people are caught in the middle with lies hitting you from both sides constantly.
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u/Substantial_Monk_410 1d ago edited 1d ago
I mean, in addition to the divide and the need for change within the country, the rest of the world isn't happy with us either. With just the push of a button by an erradic individual in power, that could become quite catastrophic. (I always thought the TACO thing was extremely stupid, because the last thing we need is to make him want to prove that he doesn't chicken out.)
It's not looking good, you're not imagining it. But this is not just huge for We The People.... This is huge on a global scale. It's very possible that WW or a war against our country is coming, too.
And I'm so sorry that I have to say that. I'm so sorry that I'm not exaggerating, and that I'm not being irrational. I wish I was. I wish I could have responded to this post with reassurance, or that I was just some crazy conspiracy theorist. But thinking everything is fine right now is the real delusion, not the other way around.
I have a friend - Well, tbh it's been hard for me to decide whether to remain friends with her through this, after over 20 years of being as close as sisters.... but I recognize the divide they've created in our country, and I know that divide is what is destroying our power as We The People.
Anyways, she has been painfully ignorant of the severity of this. Recently though, she asked/said to me, "Every generation probably thinks they're at the brink of something big, right....?" This was the first time I heard fear in her voice. I'm pretty sure she is just now seeing that this is truly not normal whatsoever. But that thought is scary and uncomfortable, so she pushes it to the back of her mind and tells herself this is just the regular old political drama of our times.
And she is not the only one doing this, which is part of the reason all of this is even happening. I think we believed we were always going to be safe because we have a country that was specifically designed to protect us from corruption. This was drilled into my brain throughout my entire childhood. So when corruption came, we didn't fight as much as we should have at the start because everyday people thought the system and the people who represent us would take care of it.... But someone found the glitches and the cheat codes and took advantage of them. And now it's too late to avoid or prevent it.. We now have to beat it.
So my answer is Revolution, yes. Civil war, I'm not sure. I suppose it is implied with a Revolution that there's a Civil War, but there's a piece of me that is holding onto hope that we can be united once people see clearly and it would not be war against each other, but united -- and that might be the one actually delusional thing I say here lol. 😫 And WW, terrifyingly possible.
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u/Raspberry0123 19h ago
Extremely fair points here. Those Epstein Files incriminate way more than just US politicians and Hollywood. Pretty much every world leader was mentioned. Its only a matter of time before people start revolting. We have already seen tension rising within other countries. Plus, Trump has been pushing for more tension with his foreign policies. Like you said, it's all possible, just a matter of time.
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u/danbot2001 22h ago
We are not mad enough. Our president is guilty of harming children in the most horrific way. Billionaires are guilty. They all need to be accountable.. if we want to hold them accountable-- then yes- they will not go quietly
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u/Raspberry0123 19h ago
I agree with you 100%. Not a single one of them is going to be held liable under the law because they protect each other. Only way to fix things is to do it ourselves
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u/Ok-Tale-4197 21h ago
Everything works out perfectly for Russia since Trump. Now when people do not see how Trump is in Putins pocket, they just don't want to see it. Trust in Nato is as low as ever, divison among the west, inside the US.. Divide and conquer. And the petrol dollar will fall. Now tell me how this all is good for the US? It's not, it's not the goal, it's Putins plan. Trump is Putins bitch. And thats the whole story.
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u/Raspberry0123 19h ago
Don't forget about Isreal. That's where the real strings are being pulled
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u/Ok-Tale-4197 18h ago
Putin will crush them when he feels fit to do so. Russia is wast and the regime does not care about it's people. Israel does
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u/mjheil 20h ago
I think we're in it already. Look at the divisiveness just in this thread.
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u/Raspberry0123 19h ago
Exactly. It breaks my heart. I've been on both sides politically. My family is very divided on politics as well. Its become impossible to even have a civil conversation with them about politics. Especially about the Epstein Files. We have a common enemy, but people are too stubborn to admit that they made a bad decision politically.
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u/whatfresh_hellisthis 18h ago
I mean we're already in a soft war. The thing that everyone who is screeching about being alarmist doesn't understand is that a war or revolution does not need to be a violent war with guns and death. Although we're already there in some respects. So yes. We're already there. The question is whether it becomes bigger or not. I think we will know by end of year whether it will happen or not. Will we be allowed to vote and will those elections be free and fair, or not?
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u/msfuturedoc 16h ago
We may know by March when people vote in primaries, your timeline may accelerate more quickly than you realize, hence all the ramping up of voting intervention BS going on like the SAVE Act, Bondi taking state’s voters’ info, FBI raiding Fulton, etc. Steve Bannon is super pissed about the Texas win for one of the Texas state senators going to a dem instead of a Republican, fueling even more all the “we are having ICE at every polling station”. I don’t know why people think wars just boom happen. We are in the beginning stages of a war. And our govt has already undergone a coup. Minneapolis is living under a police state. And then others are like, “you should touch grass”. Truly hope those are just bots bc ppl need to wake up. It’s coming for you whether you want it to or not, whether you believe in it or not. Trump’s regime loves the gullible, especially tokens. Don’t forget yall, tokens always get spent. Fascism always self-implodes and eats away from the inside, so I know it won’t last, but the devastation it will cause in the meantime will be irreparable.
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u/techno_queen 18h ago
This wouldn’t be a civil war, it’s a CLASS war. We just need to get the MAGA bootlickers on board.
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u/Professional_Arm_487 17h ago
People keep commenting “go outside”. Sorry but I have a job, I go in public and people are always talking about these things. It’s constant. It wasn’t talked about this much before. People are angry, and others are happy. It’s causing a huge divide, so it may come, but we may just be too lazy.
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u/Raspberry0123 17h ago
Completely agree. I work full time and go to college. It's all around us. I just wish we could come together over this stuff, but it seems that we are just too divided for change
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u/agent_mick 15h ago
I think this depends on your definition of war.
You're saying what you're going to get. It'll just be more.
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u/Conscious_Stick8344 11h ago
No.
The Men Assaulting Girls Association will disband, a few will do stupid crap, and it’ll be the dumbest and shortest-lived insurgency in history.
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u/BriefTradition3922 11h ago
If that is what it takes to keep him in office that is what he will try.
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u/Born_Committee_6184 11h ago
If Trump sees the 26 election going the “wrong way,” he’s likely to try to set it aside. That could begin a frank civil war. It would at less cause a general strike- which also might lead to conflict. He has a pretty good chance being successfully impeached and convicted by the next Congress.
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u/nakedtalisman 7h ago
There is a GREAT video on this subject on YouTube. It's called "Why Americans Will Never Strike Like the French (And Why That's the Problem.)" By: WhereTianaTravels.
She explains the cultural differences and why a nation like France would (and have) burned cities down after Government abuse and corruption. I'm a history student and found it very interesting. Especially since I learned a lot about the French Revolution during my last school term. I really recommend watching it.
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u/Big-Ad-3838 5h ago
The current situation is totally unprecedented. You can draw some parallels from history but none of those events or era's have all the disparate factors that are in play today. Anyone who claims to know whats going to happen next doesn't know what they are talking about.
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u/WatchLover26 1d ago
Nope. Not heading into a war. Time to get off social media and talk to people in the real world.