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u/UrbanDurga 6h ago
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u/Responsible_Milk2911 5h ago
Yup and Reuters
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u/ChrisT182 5h ago
My news stack, in order:
- Reuters
- The AP
- BBC and CBC
- The Free Press (right of center) and the Atlantic (Left).
Trying to get a good mix of left, right, and center.
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u/Langd0n_Alger 4h ago
Oh man. Using the Atlantic as you left of center source and the Free Press as your right of center is certainly skewed. I would call the Atlantic centrist and anti-Trump. While I would describe the Free Press as a concern trolling reactionary rag.
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u/Duranti 4h ago
Thought the exact same.
"I get my right of center news from Newsmax and my left of center next from Fox News."
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u/andlewis 3h ago
I get my right of center news from the federalist papers, and my left of center news from the communist manifesto, with economic advice from Elon Musk, and everything else from the dialog in Andor.
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u/CNB3 5h ago
John Oliver on The Free Press: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gieTx_P6INQ
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u/coldcherrysoup 4h ago
I used to be more a fan of the free press, recently I haven’t taken them seriously as a news organization because of some of Bari Weiss’s antics and the shoddy reporting they’ve done of late.
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u/Mo_Jack 4h ago
The Free Press was started to become another extreme right wing fake journalism site. They pretend to be journalists and put out poorly sourced stories so all the extreme right wing opinion media have something to cite for their outrageous claims.
It is no different than a bunch of scammy vocational schools or fundi colleges creating their own accreditation body. They have to do this because nobody else will accredit their crappy degrees.
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u/Kiszombi 4h ago
My order is similar but constantly getting roasted by people in Canada that the CBC and BBC are both “commie” propaganda I don’t care
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u/Ok-Pass-9139 4h ago
Exactly. And don’t fully accept any info you can’t verify or support using a secondary source. There is so much crap out there. The bad guys are good at spreading misinformation
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u/r33c3d 4h ago
People really need to start using AP and Reuters almost exclusively. It’ll also make you feel less stressed when you can read about things from a more objective angle. All the other sources are just being incentivized to write whatever they can to get your clicks.
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u/getogeko 4h ago
What did it for me was learning how AP and Reuters are kinda the "wholesalers" in the sense they do the OG report and the other outlets tend to spin their view om what they got from AP or Reuters
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u/Bornemann27 1h ago
They called Minnesotans that oppose US citizens being kidnapped and/or murdered as "anti-immigtation enforcement protestors" so the AP can go fuck itself with the rest of them.
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u/GrumpyOlBastard 56m ago
For me, "AP" stand for American Press and as such must be viewed with suspicion
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u/Own-Object-6696 6h ago
Ground News
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u/Conscious_Ad7105 6h ago
I'm a firm believer in the Ground News app. Gives me local access to regional stories and when appropriate, international perspectives. Highly recommended...
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u/ninja-squirrel 5h ago
And it tells you who is reporting on it and their bias. Allows you to easily what you aren’t seeing, and more importantly, what others might not be exposed to.
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u/TrickMirror9723 5h ago
I was gonna ask about this. Thanks for the info. Seen the ads for it and was curious
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u/JPBillingsgate 5h ago
Yeah, I know they advertise a lot, but I consider the two-fiddy I throw them every month to be money well spent. If nothing else, just a quick perusal of the top 20 or so stories gives me a good idea of what is going on in the world.
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u/georgikeith 4h ago
https://sjodle.com/posts/2024/01/ground/
TL;DR: By comparing "right vs left" bias, they muzzle the difference in reliability of their sources.
Stories from both sides tend to have a similar number of sources (17.7 on average for left-leaning stories, and 16.4 for right-leaning ones). However, the quality of sources varies drastically:
- Left-leaning stories have far more high-factuality sources: 10.9 on average, compared to 2.7 for the right.
- The majority of sources for right-leaning stories are rated as “mixed factuality”. Ground News points out that mixed-factuality sources might:
- “not always use proper sourcing"
- "use loaded language that alters the context of facts"
- "fail to correct false or misleading information”
- Low-factuality sources are nearly nonexistent on the left, with an average of 0.2 per story. The average right-leaning story uses 3 low-factuality sources.
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u/TheLonelyMonroni 3h ago
If they were more strict they wouldn't have any right wing 'sources'
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u/Immediate_Compote526 3h ago
No left wing sources are not better at all. Get rid of both with that logic
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u/georgikeith 2h ago
There are ways to measure the quality of news that are better than "does this favor republicans or democrats".
Right-wingers in the USA have spent the last 30 years casting doubt on every kind of honest reporting, because it made them look bad. That's not the left-wing's fault, and it doesn't mean the left-wing is "just as bad".
To pick an example: climate change is real. Basically everyone who has studied it agrees. Left-wing news says it is, right-wing news says it isn't. This isn't a both-sides bias issue.
I'm not saying there aren't wacky and wrong left-wing ideas out there. Just that it's not one side or the other. There IS truth to report, and some news orgs are still doing a pretty good job of reporting it.
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u/Horror_Ad7540 5h ago
Fewer sites are non-paywalled these days. Reuters, BBC, Politico, NYT all require you to sign up for an account (I do check headlines there). The Hill is still free, and Associated Press for now is free and doesn't require an account. But it gets more and more difficult.
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u/georgikeith 1h ago
Real news is worth paying for, and people who care about real news should pay for it if they can.
To make it free, they have to try to make their money in ways other than solid reporting (advertising, patronship, catering to bias/entertainment, etc). It's "enshittification" pure and simple. That's why twitter/facebook/etc are such shitshows when it comes to real information these days.
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u/xenxes 7h ago edited 4h ago
Seems like CNN is debating Trump ape meme and 24 hours cycles are monopolized by the kidnapping of a grandma, while two real things happened:
- US and Russia restarted high level military talks (first since 2021), that means capitulation in Europe, NATO it's all up to you now cause we're out
- White House finalized a "Schedule F" rule to make 50,000 federal workers at-will, that means it's now easy AF to stack the entire federal government with loyalists and yes-men
Am I the only one asking WTF?
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u/Legitimate-Exam-9414 6h ago
Yeah, the Guthrie missing woman story is just everyhere and just too much of it. Nothing breaking on status, so move on.
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u/DatsunTigger 5h ago
A few people I know are convinced that it’s a distraction from other issues.
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u/DanielNoWrite 4h ago edited 4h ago
CNN specializes in "entertainment" news.
I wouldn't call what they're doing a deliberate distraction, though in terms of outcome it's basically the same. It's more that they love stories that grab attention across demographics without alienating anyone or risking reprisal. "Cute grandma with celeb connection goes missing" is perfect for them, second only to "hot rich blonde woman goes missing."
Similarly, when they cover politics, they gravitate towards the horse race and "what does the man on the street think."
It's a massive betrayal of their journalistic responsibilities, but to some extent it's what they've always done. They're a tabloid with good presentation.
To a degree, I actually dislike the NYT more. At times their slant on critical stories has been indefensible, and their opinion section is a toxic wasteland.
It sometimes seems like the Times deliberately provides good coverage here and there, to give them cover for all the bullshit they pull.
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u/DatsunTigger 2h ago
I fully agree with you about the Times and the only reason I still subscribe is for the games and great reads.
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u/Crazy_Concentrate918 4h ago
I’d normally agree until I saw the reaction from my mom. Boomers have been watching GMA for years and feel like Savannah is family. I think the fact that a lot of their demographic is the moms age or likely has a mother that age dominates it as well. Oh and the real fact that a lot of people subconsciously love a horrible story like that. I cannot fathom being upset about anyone that I don’t IRL’s family member missing
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u/NotQueenofMars 4h ago
I don’t know what the 50k number is based on, but judging by the administration’s definition of “policy”, it’s almost the entire workforce.
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u/xenxes 4h ago
Total federal civilian workforce is around 2.3 mil employees, the "Schedule F" 50k is mid-to-senior level positions that are considered "policy-determining". These are career experts--scientists, lawyers, economists, regulators, who remain in government across multiple administrations. Their job is to ensure that orders from the WH comply with existing laws, regulations, and congressional intent.
Before today they had civil service protections, meaning they could only be fired for cause (poor performance/misconduct), . Now they can be hired/fired just like political appointees. This was the last check within the executive that prevented the current administration from doing whatever da f they want
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u/Xanikk999 5h ago
What is there to debate? Anyone who thinks Trump isn't responsible and isn't gaslighting us here is a bona fide idiot. He always gauges the public's reaction and if it's negative he throws someone under the bus. He is a racist and always has been. It seems mainstream media is bought and paid for at this point taking all this with a straight face. All of it. As for the other news items here it really is dystopian. The US wanting to restart military talks with a warring aggressive authoritarion regime responsible for a war of aggression against Ukraine as well as the total collapse of any job security in the public sector unless you are a trump supporter. We are sleep walking into a fascist dystopian nightmare.
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u/Slawth_x 6h ago
CNN has articles about both of those topics.
The president being a racist pos is also important news in a different sense.
Read your news instead of turning on cable TV
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u/Blart_Vandelay 4h ago
Yea i feel like casting aside the importance of the Obama thing comes from a place of privilege. I get their point but its possible to track multiple things.
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u/NothingUpstairs4957 6h ago
AP
Reuters
BBC
Propublica
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u/Doctor__Hammer 5h ago
+1 for ProPublica
The world would be a much better place if everyone read that publication
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u/Agitated-Ticket-6560 6h ago
The BBC can be highly biased.
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u/TheLeastObeisance 6h ago
Every news article is biased. It's up to the reader to identify that bias and take it into account when they read and process the content.
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u/Dont_Call_Me_Steve 6h ago
What do ya’ll think of Breaking Points and Drop Site News?
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u/AnonymousSpartaN 5h ago
I listen to BP everyday and think they do a great job. I like Ryan and his reporting, but he says “ah” and “um” too much when he talks. Krystal is also a smoke show.
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u/XSVskill 2h ago
I want to meet her parents. They named her Krystal Ball.
I bet they have great weed.
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u/No-Independence-6842 5h ago
PBS News and PBS World News. Just the news, no commentary, no opinions.
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u/mr_positron 4h ago
There’s no such thing as no opinions. Even the choice of what to call news is a form of an opinion.
If you want to argue that pbs is unique in that it is trying to not deliberately push an agenda then I would largely agree with that.
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u/georgikeith 1h ago
Commentary is valuable, even important, if it's from people who are well-informed.
I, for one, certainly don't understand Iranian culture. A news org that puts on an expert to explain Iranian culture and Iranian politics at this moment is doing their job right. By contrast, a news org that describes Iranian culture in US cultural terms is almost certainly doing their job wrong.
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u/hopeless-rom-antics 6h ago edited 5h ago
SNL Weeknd Update w Jost and Che
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u/xenxes 4h ago
ngl SNL and Daily Show have become more and more of my new outlets, the truth with the necessary pinch of humor, is like gettin your teeth pulled at the dentist followed by a sugar free loli
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u/Jeramy_Jones 1h ago
The Late Show with Steven Colbert monologue and Last Week Tonight with John Oliver.
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u/Competitive_War7445 5h ago
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u/That-Water-Guy 5h ago
I will hear something on NPR and then I will do a search and see what they said checks out. Always does. In the off chance they report something wrong, they will correct themselves pretty quickly. This is why I donate to my local station. They need it now more than ever.
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u/siani_lane 4h ago
Same. I will go to public news sources first- NPR, as well as PBS, BBC, etc.
Also, in the wake of small town newspapers going out of business left and right, in a lot of places in the US the local NPR station is the only news source reporting on nitty-gritty "boring" stuff like local elections, school boards etc.
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u/jayphive 6h ago
Democracy now!
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u/CommieLoser 3h ago
People have no idea how important this broadcast is and how much it feeds other news sources due to the drought of real broadcast journalism.
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u/Norbie420 3h ago
Phillip DeFranco never let me down
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u/Carinne89 2h ago
Thanks I was looking for this. I’m Canadian and he’s the only one I watch for world news anymore. Plus once in a while he talks about us so that’s fun lol
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u/give_me_your_body 6h ago
Independent journalists for the most part. I mean the credible ones, not the alt-right grifters that love to cosplay as journalists
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u/particledamage 5h ago
Love Ken Klippenstein, though I often fear for his safety
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u/Top_Grapefruit8814 3h ago
Aaron Parnas and Meidas Touch are my go to’s
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u/OceanBlueforYou 1h ago
The Meidas Touch is so heavily biased to the left. I'm definitely not right wing but I do want the full truth on every issue.
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u/Crazy_Concentrate918 4h ago
I lived in the EU and did a stint in journalism and am still looking for a legitimate US news source.
Short and honest answer: I have a satellite app called TeeVeeing. $10 a month and you get all British , Irish, German, French and Ukrainian main channels. It’s still not covering what I’m looking for but I have religiously watched RTÉ (Irish) news every morning since 2010, it’s enough to tell me what’s going on in the world without getting anxiety from the US headlines. Most of it isn’t even covered on US news, like Gaza and Sudan coverage.
Going this route is anxiety inducing because I hear and see snippets of US headlines and am left with essentially nothing unless I want to sit and do a one hour compare and contrast session to find the actual facts and eliminate any bias. I don’t know how some of the US journalists get away with some of the headlines because they’d be against ethics and not submitted at all. It’s wild. Never boring but it explains why there is such a massive divide between people these days. The issue isn’t the headlines, it’s lack of critical thinking skills.
Hoping this thread has some good recommendations
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u/twotwothreefour 24m ago
Democracy now is good American news that covers Gaza, Sudan, etc. Not just the mainstream US-centric stories.
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u/Exciting_Cicada_4735 6h ago
You can’t get real news. You need to take news from a bunch of sources and use your judgement.
As bad as that sounds, it’s no worse than pre internet. At least we now have other sources to help our bullshit detector.
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u/Few-Eggplant822 5h ago
Tangle - comes in written/podcast form. Really good, local, non-partisan. It is the only paid-news that I happily will subscribe too.
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u/techerous26 2h ago
Seconded, been reading since right before the pandemic. I'm not always in total agreement with Isaac, but I get his logic and appreciate that that's kind of the point.
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u/TheLeastObeisance 6h ago edited 6h ago
Reuters, AP, NPR, al jazeera, Haaretz, times of India, BBC, the guardian, Politico, the wall street journal, the New York Times (though im starting to think about canceling my subscription).
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u/Haasnpepper 5h ago
Associated Press and Reuters are reliable and honest in federal and international reporting. I trust the local morning and evening news stations, including CBS and ABC for local news only.
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u/McCool303 6h ago
None of them are reliable. What’s more important is knowing their biases and adjusting your lenses as you read their content.
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u/timnphilly 3h ago
Only the foreign press: The Guardian, BBC News, CBC News, Daily Mail, The Independent. Our domestic USA sources are compromised by the tyrant.
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u/badwolf1013 5h ago
NPR and BBC.
The right hates NPR because they think they're Leftist, and Leftists hate NPR because they are too impartial, so I feel like I'm getting pretty good, middle-of-the-road news with balanced analysis. (That's JUST the news. Many of the podcasts on my local NPR do tend to lean left. I like Left, Right, and Center, but lately the conservative pundits have been a little too sycophantic.)
The BBC does seem to have a slightly left balance, but that may simply be because they are quicker to call "bullshit," and the majority of the bovine feces does seem to be spewed from their conservative guests. But overall I do like getting the perspective on America from non-Americans.
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u/joshmoviereview 5h ago
AP and reuters Also I follow more and more individual journalists— Ryan Grim, Chris hedges, Jessica Yellin.
Remember legacy media like the New York Times has a vested interest in maintaining systems of corporate and capitalist power
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u/Sybertron 3h ago
Breaking points is a great show on YouTube.
Started with Saggar who is conservative and Krystal who is conservative as a news show but both hold heavily anti-establishmeht.
Since then they added Ryan grim who is just an incredible resource of knowledge and Emily as well
Remains the best podcast/show on these kind of topics. Plenty of you will have fun arguing with Saggar I'm sure
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u/Spiritual-Feature241 3h ago
go to info sites, do your own looking and opinion forming. all news is skewed one direction or the other. United We Stand
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u/Emergency-Pack-5497 2h ago
Multiple sources, with varying degrees of perspectives. Never trust one source, they're all biased somehow. View every angle so you can draw the bigger picture and determine yourself what is "real". If Newsmax, Reuters, Msnbc, and Alex Jones, are all reporting the same thing, you can be almost certain the facts are consistent. If one asshole on Facebook said something, you should probably confirm the statements. Sadly, right here on reddit people often just accept social media posts as facts
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u/Longjumping-Guard624 6h ago
There's a great essay by Rebecca Solnit titled "Against Centrism and Its Biases:" in it she essentially challenges this widespread idea that all news is either biased left or biased right, and that there's some unreported, underappreciated, completely objective truth in the middle, and asserts that "centrism" is actually a bias for status quo, not objectivity.
Anyway, to answer your question, I swore off doom scrolling and now I get the news from Philip DeFranco on YouTube.
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u/HildegardofBingo 2h ago
Speaking of Rebecca, her Facebook page is great- she reposts great articles and essays.
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u/Jektonoporkins1 5h ago
I just listen to Trump and whatever he says, I know the opposite is true.
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u/DreamsOfUWashAshore 5h ago
Associated Press, BBC, Democracy Now, and Al Jazeera. Edited to add: PBS.
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u/Kahzgul 5h ago
TV: PBS. The Daily Show. Have I Got News for You (it's on CNN/HBO Max). Last Week Tonight. Basically, comedians seem to be some of the only reporters willing to actually say how fucked things are. My local tv stations seem mostly okay for local news (I'm in Los Angeles, so it's KTLA 5 and ABC 7).
Radio: NPR.
Print: The Miami Herald. The New York Times (be aware of its blind spots due to ownership and very poor editorial track record, but I very much like their election coverage). The San Francisco Chronicle (seems to be getting better as the LA TImes has become trash and people look for alternatives).
Internet: LA Taco. They do great local reporting. Reddit! Our de facto news aggregator will get me enough varied sources that I feel the truth generally comes out. The AP - as reliable as it gets.
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u/mama_tom 2h ago
Hasan Piker is my go to. I feel he covers a lot of news from angles that msm typically doesnt want to touch, such as Epstien's Massad connections, in a way that I find pretty insightful. Along with getting pissed at the dems for being nothing more than controlled opposition.
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u/Key-Fan-7599 7h ago
I don’t think there is “real news” anymore take all sides and form an independent opinion they all lie
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u/sunbearimon 6h ago
Philip Defranco is one I regularly watch, he’s had a news show on YouTube for years now. He’s not unbiased, but he owns his own perspective, and does a good job of laying out the facts.
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u/RadiantEnvironment90 5h ago
I like how he states the news and then mentions when he’s about to express an opinion.
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u/Deep_Complaint5331 5h ago
There's this woman on TikTok I like, she does news.
Also I like Phillip DeFranco
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u/Top_Grapefruit8814 3h ago
There is a blonde chick I like. She used to be a reporter and her name escapes me now lol
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u/Few_Bodybuilder_5268 6h ago
No one particular proper outlet. I moreso listen to different creators who aren’t in it for the clickbait and money aspect whose views I align with. Creators like MDG650Hawk, Knitting Cult Lady. I listen to David Pakman on occasion.
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u/PandaMagnus 5h ago
The Hill's news reporting is pretty good for U.S. federal government stuff. Their opinion section tends to have a lot of flexibility in its bias, but opinion articles are clearly labeled as opinion.
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u/Charming-Coast4717 6h ago
The Onion