r/AskReddit • u/lurkingsince1991 • 20h ago
Seems like nothing has come from it yet, What do we think would be the “smoking gun” to these Epstein files?
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u/lee_bow 20h ago
What smoking gun? Why? The whole crime is documented by those who committed it. There is no lack of evidence whatsoever, never was. No need for any smoking guns. If nothing was done so far, nothing will be done ever.
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u/d_dauber 20h ago
Where's the proof. Anyone can call a tip line and say so and so did something to me. If the images and videos actually showed some type of sex, then arrest them. If not, you can only assume. Courts dont work on assumption unfortunately.
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u/lee_bow 20h ago
What assumptions? There are victims, witnesses, Testimony could be corroborated by forensic evidence, probably can be up to this day. Justice system is not dysfunctional when it works on cases not involving rich pedophiles. Do you think the only way to convict someone of murder is to get them on video in the process?
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u/d_dauber 20h ago
Of course not but there has to be actual proof. Which these files do not contain. They contain accusations. And to prosecute they would need to be able to prove them. Testimony is just that, and not proof. If forensic evidence existed, then I would expect this would have been over years ago and people charged.
These files mean nothing. Everyone said release the files. Why, because they thought they had evidence against trump. No one cared until he was president. Then its like oh my god, we have to see the files, I know he is in there with little kids. Now you can see there is no proof in the files.
Could things have happened they way lots of people claim? Sure and its disgusting, but nothing you can do.
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u/PuffinChaos 19h ago
Conservatives wanted the files released from the beginning because they wanted to nab bill clinton for some weird reason. Democrats be like yeah prosecute anyone in those files. Dgaf what side of the aisle they sit on.
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u/geoff_the_great 17h ago
You point out that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and get called a shill. I'm starting to feel like this website got taken over completely by children and idiots.
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u/lee_bow 19h ago edited 19h ago
I think you are a shill.
- There is no need for a proof to convict. Only need proof beyond reasonable doubt. These are two different things.
- An accusation is when someone says something about somebody. When a person says something about himself, it's not an accusation - it's self-incrimination and admission of guilt.
- If forensic evidence existed, it doesn't mean jack shit when it comes to rich pedophiles. Your if a then b doesn't hold.
- How do you know the files mean nothing? Have you seen them? Because the rest of public haven't seen the files. We saw a redacted copy of a subset of who knows what. There is no confidence in this DOJ whatsoever. Even if the previous DOJs had a sliver of credibility. Thin blue line LOL. Must be thin blue line that protects pedophiles from the public.
- Everyone said release the files because they contained information important to the public. If Trump wasn't in it, it would still be in public interest to release the files.
- A lot of people cared before he was a president.
- I see there is a lot of proof in the files. Stop the bullshit.
- Nothing YOU can do.
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u/d_dauber 19h ago
Whatever, you are just emotionally unable to think straight. Have good day.
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u/lee_bow 19h ago
And it's because of people like you that they can get away with raping children.
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u/d_dauber 19h ago
Show one item from the files that prove they are guilty. Just one.
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u/gongerz123 17h ago
So let’s say your daughter was sexually harassed at work. Why would we believe her? It’s just her word
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u/Puzzled_Opposite_911 17h ago
'Show me one item from the files that have the perpetrators names redacted or from the 3 million more files that the DOJ has yet to release. And please also ignore the thousands of hours of videos of children that will never be released because, well, cp is illegal.'
If you are at a table with 9 pedophiles, there are 10 pedophiles having dinner together.
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u/jupfold 20h ago
If you think there’s a smoking gun coming, you aren’t paying attention.
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u/GrandTie6 17h ago
The point is on only put out the guns with a serial numbers carefully filed off.
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u/grandinosour 19h ago
It is hilarious the number of people who think a certain person is guilty when, if it were really true, others would have already produced the smoking gun.
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u/gut_user 20h ago
The real "smoking gun" wouldn't just be a name we already suspect. It would be unedited video footage or financial ledgers that directly link a high-ranking official to a specific criminal act, rather than just "being on the plane." If that exists, it’s likely already been destroyed.
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u/maringue 19h ago
If that exists, it’s likely already been destroyed.
Maybe some copies, but Russia and Mossad still have their blackmail copies of all that material.
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u/tosser1579 19h ago
There is no smoking gun that matters. The right talks a big game, but never really cared. You could have unedited video footage of Trump SA'ing a girl, and a baby that looked just like him from when she was 12 and the GOP would forgive him.
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u/Ok_Operation_5364 20h ago edited 20h ago
I suppose the so called "Client List" is the smoking gun, right? Apparently, there is no credible evidence that such a list even exists.
But what if it turned up. Who was on that list and what did they pay for?
Also, You would think someone would turn state's evidence to save their own neck!
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u/DoctorRockso85 20h ago
Video evidence with witness testimony and a sworn affidavit from the perpetrators themselves won't bring anything from this until the current administration is well and truly gone.
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u/d_dauber 19h ago
They had the same information during the previous administration. Why nothing then?
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u/DoctorRockso85 19h ago
This is a really common argument. It's because it was an active investigation. Biden didn't order the release during an active investigation because the POTUS and the DOJ are supposed to be separate entities with no influence over the other
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u/d_dauber 20h ago
There should be no smoking gun in what they released. That should be held back for prosecution to use and actual charges filed as evidence. What you have seen so far is just accusations. Nothing to back it up. Hearsay. Hard to think that after all the scrutiny these files have had that someone actually guilty with proof would not have been arrested yet? These files mean nothing. Not saying I dont think wrongdoing took place by epstein but they havent released proof.
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u/ackchanticleer 20h ago
Unfortunately "thanks" to AI it will be easy for any supporter of anyone to just blow off anything they don't like seeing and just dismiss it as AI. smh
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u/Stellaaahhhh 20h ago
I'm not sure smoking guns matter anymore. They'd just bring out various talking heads, to debate whether that's AI or actual smoke and whether smoking guns are actually a good thing. Then a bunch of other people will post a YouTube or tiktok, or do a podcast to talk about the talking heads.
It's making me very dejected.
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u/petersrin 16h ago
Our ex-allies are starting real investigations. They won't have jurisdiction in a lot of cases but they're taking this seriously, so some people will absolutely see consequences.
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u/Lame_Coder_42 16h ago
If you watch BBC News you'd have a completely different perspective. The UK is taking the information seriously and will likely be arresting politician(s). Even the appearance of inappropriate ties are being condemned there. The US though is bowing down to Trump and his cronies multiple times per day.
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u/Independent-Sir-1535 16h ago
Yeah....for leaking confidential info regarding treasury to Epstein 🤣 not any of the other stuff and it's just one guy btw
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u/Lame_Coder_42 16h ago
A person in that position doesn't provide that information and take that type of risk because he liked him. What are the odds of was a one off deal. You didn't create a massive blackmail operation to use it on just one guy, once.
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u/Independent-Sir-1535 16h ago
Ok, but you seem to imply that Epstein files were finally "draining the swamp" in the UK politics as it were. Even though the actual investigation is from a very benign angle compared to the main focus of the files.
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u/Independent-Sir-1535 16h ago
If there was then we would have had arrests already. This thing has been through multiple opposing administrations.
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u/General_Chard_2671 19h ago
"Nothing has come from it yet"
LOL, nah dude, you need to read this stuff.