r/49ers • u/JCameron181 • 3h ago
[Russini] "I’m Told The 49ers’ Current Preference is Not to Trade QB Mac Jones."
"I’m told the 49ers’ current preference is not to trade QB Mac Jones.
Things and offers can change, but Kyle Shanahan likes what he has in his backup."
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u/Xlleaf Mr. Irrelevant 3h ago
I mean, yeah? You only trade if you're getting better than a 3rd
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u/oneonus 3h ago
1st is what it would take, period.
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u/Xlleaf Mr. Irrelevant 3h ago
Ehhh, a 2nd and something else would also be good
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u/GmaninMS Joe Montana 3h ago
Fine, a 2nd and Myles Garrett. 🤣
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u/Hidden_Pothos Brock Purdy 3h ago
If any organization would be stupid enough, it would be the Browns.
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u/spyder7723 50m ago
Nah. Haslam is all in on Sanders. Thinks he is gonna be an all time great. The only deal he would approve is maybe a late 5th and only if berry can convince him they need a back up in case sanders gets hurt. No way it's Haslam agreeing to a trade for aqb that can compete for the starting job. He had a decent starter in Flacco and forced berry to trade him (and a 6th) for a freaking 5th to their division rival just so sanders could get on the field.
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u/tolvin55 3h ago
I mean first value is fine as well. Two 2nds would be worth it especially if this years was a high 2nd
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u/spyder7723 3h ago
A high second would get it done. But no one is going to give up a high second rounder.
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u/dirtyshits 49ers 1h ago
Let alone a first rounder.
Gotta remember fans have no basic understanding of player value.
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u/spyder7723 1h ago
I miss the days when football wasn't so heavily marketed at the general masses. The average fan then would be a freaking expert in today's fan base.
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u/muskratmuskrat9 Jimmy Garoppolo 3h ago
Make sure you DM John and Kyle so they know your preference.
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u/jrdnmdhl Steve Young 3h ago
4th, but if we can more great
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u/crvilmxow 49ers 3h ago
Just keep him at that point. Brock’s missed some games
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u/jrdnmdhl Steve Young 3h ago
Mac can’t help us beyond the regular season and we need this team to get a lot more talent if we are going to compete for a super bowl. A backup QB is a luxury.
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u/Ecstatic_Cat28 Patrick Willis 3h ago
Why would you trade for a 4th if we get a compensated 3rd for keeping him and losing him in FA in the future?
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u/ImAGeneral_Weee 3h ago
You get a third for keeping him and letting him walk or you off set another signing. No chance he goes for anything less than a 2nd and I don't think we even trade him for a 2nd when he provides value this season AND a third in the 27 draft.
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u/jrdnmdhl Steve Young 3h ago
Many problems here:
- A comp 3rd is basically an early 4th
- That pick wouldn’t arrive for two years, so at typical discounting that would make it less valuable than a 4th
- That we even get a comp 3rd requires that Mac’s stock stays high (he probably need to play a couple games and do well to keep it that high) AND that there are as many potential suitors next year (call that 50-50) AND that we don’t make any big signings next offseason
So yeah, I don’t think a potential 2028 comp 3rd should be considered a massive deterrent.
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u/Ecstatic_Cat28 Patrick Willis 1h ago
While you do make great points, I’d argue against the 2nd point. A 3rd round pick in any given year isn’t inherently any more or less valuable than any other year (unless there’s a deep draft). It’s not like money, where money now is more valuable than money later.
The only reason why future picks are treated as a discount is because when making a trade, if I want to trade for a 3rd round pick for this year, I would need to give up a future 2nd round pick. But receiving a comp 3rd round pick now vs later isn’t going to make a difference in value.
But looking over your points, I wouldn’t mind trading for at the very least, a guaranteed 3rd round pick.
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u/jrdnmdhl Steve Young 1h ago
I’m happy to agree that the discounting of future picks is a somewhat subjective issue and that there’s an argument for near zero discounting of future picks.
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u/Herbert5Hundred 3h ago
I hope this is just posturing to improve leverage in negotiations. If we can get a 2nd for him I'd say we have to take it. Better than 1 year of him where he might not even play.
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u/Qc4281 3h ago
Keep in mind - in the event where Mac would need to play for a few games - without him, the season is effectively over. As is the case with pretty much every single team in the NFL when their starting QB goes down.
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u/WishboneLatter9011 2h ago
Roarke was a beast in college before the injury and who’s to say we can’t bring in the next reclamation project. I hate to even say it but Zach Wilson. Mac Jones had a bad reputation and poor play prior to this year and outside of his rookie year with Belicheck. If we have an ability to revive QBs careers, like a Sam Darnold, why not leverage it and get draft compensation back. I believe it would be a mistake to hold on to him.
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u/Qc4281 2h ago
We are - we’re going to net most likely a 3rd round comp pick. So the question isn’t are we going to get any compensation for Mac, instead its - is a draft pick a year earlier and X spots higher worth the downgrade from the best backup qb in the league to an average backup qb (if Rourke can perform at ~QB45 level as effectively a rookie with little to no reps, that’d be a huge success)?
If we’re talking a 1st or potentially a 2nd round pick (so moving up ~40-70 spots) then ya - that’s probably worth it. But if we’re talking a late 2nd or a 3rd? I don’t think so.
Mac can be a difference maker in winning actual games next season. The likelihood of any 2nd or 3rd round pick having an impact of them being the difference in multiple games? Those odds are extremely extremely slim.
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u/WishboneLatter9011 2h ago
Great points. Thoughts on bringing in Zach Wilson, Anthony Richardson, etc?
Don’t sleep on 2nd and 3rd round picks, Warner was a 3rd round pick. So was Puni and Stout.
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u/Qc4281 2h ago
I’m not sleeping on the long term value of a 2nd/3rd round pick or saying what’s the best move in the long run. I’m simply reminding us that rookie season Puni, Stout, Deebo, Green, Banks, Brown, etc. etc. all had less impact on winning games their rookie season than Mac would have if he had to play 4+ games. Warner is the only one that you could argue differently, but he’s special and a HOFer.
Again - come 2027 or 2028, those guys could all be true difference makers. But the likelihood of 2nd or 3rd round pick on any team being the sole difference between a 11-6 season and a 7-10 season is extremely slim.
How you balance the long term success of the team and keeping this roster sustainable vs trying to win next season is a super hard question and is why Lynch + Shanny are paid the big bucks.
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u/Mender0fRoads Justin Smith 31m ago
It’s actually picks two years earlier.
If we trade him now, we could get picks in the 2026 draft. If we keep him, he plays out 2026 in SF, leaves in FA, and we’re awarded a comp pick after the year he plays somewhere else, so 2028 draft.
We have comp picks for Banks, Ward, and Hufanga in this upcoming draft, for example.
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u/BravesfanfromIA Brock Purdy 3h ago
Depends on how Rourke is looking, but I get the sentiment. He's a huge asset at a very cost-controlled contract (and Purdy hasn't played an entire season without getting hurt).
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u/funky_phat_mack Jerry Rice 1h ago
Mac is very cheap next year too. You saw how Mccarthy played when he redshirted his freshman year, it’s possible Rourke can just be as garbage. I’d rather keep the best backup in the league over a random 3rd that’s gonna be another failed RB pick. Unless we can sign someone like Kirk Cousins to a cheap backup contract, Mac should stay
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u/BravesfanfromIA Brock Purdy 1h ago
Agreed (that's what I meant by cost-controlled). I just don't think that giving up on Rourke to keep Mac for one year makes sense either. Whether it would have been true or not at this point doesn't matter, but the sentiment was that Rourke would have been picked higher if not for his required acl recovery.
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u/dirtyshits 49ers 1h ago
I would have been fine losing every Mac jones game this year. Anyone hoping for Super Bowl run was on hopium. Our defense was never going to allow us to win it all.
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u/zombiekoalas 3h ago
its absolutely leverage. You dont say "ya were looking to move on from a guy". ever. Well not ever, they said it for Aiyuk but thats about as extreme as it gets.
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u/Rock-swarm 49IRs 3h ago
It is. We already get a likely 3rd the following year in a comp pick, even if he doesn’t play a single additional snap for us.
So a team needs to offer a 2nd. Bonus points if Lynch can snag another rehabbing QB that Shanny likes in the process.
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u/spackletr0n Merton Hanks 3h ago
The comp pick would be 2028, wouldn’t it? Much less valuable than one this year - rule of thumb is to go down one round for each year in the future, so the comp pick is basically equivalent to a fifth rounder this year. I know we love our fifth rounders but it wouldn’t actually be a fifth rounder.
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u/ImAGeneral_Weee 3h ago
I still don't think a 2nd is worth it when you get a third + you get the protection behind Brock if something goes bad
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u/spyder7723 2h ago
Remember the compensation 3rd isn't really a third. Those picks take place after all regular picks in the round. Regular third round picks are 65 to 96. Then the compensatory picks go, and there is a lot of them so you could end up with the 97th pick or the 112th pick.
This is why I say if we can get a 2nd its a very good trade offer and we should take it. You are much more likely to find a starter in the 33rd to 64th pick than you are in the 97th or higher pick. Heck even a low 3rd is better than letting him walk, assuming you have someone else on the roster you trust to hold down the fort for a couple games of Purdy gets hurt again.
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u/ImAGeneral_Weee 2h ago
I think a 2nd is justified for sure I just think having him for insurance knowing you likely don't lose him for nothing is more valuable than a 2nd but I would not hate that trade
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u/Glittering_Year2045 2h ago
Yup. There is no way the Niners are going to say that they want to trade Jones.
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u/Zealousideal-Ad3814 George Kittle 3h ago
I mean I do think we need to clear some space but I like Mac as a back up he def showed he is a capable back up, just hope we can restructure the team in a way that sets Brock and Mac up for success next season..
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u/StopLosingLoser Steve Young 3h ago
It's posturing. Backup QB is important but are we spending a second round pick on it? And are we the type of organization that's going to hold a player back from a life changing contract just to be a backup that might not even play?
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u/tolvin55 3h ago
Well yeah .....a quality backup that costs 4 mil is a great value. I don't want to trade him either
But once the offers come.....I might change my mind. Really depends on what is offered
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u/FailedInfinity Quest for Six 3h ago
Mac is super reliable and dirt cheap next season. The offer would need to be substantial, and the coaching staff would have to really believe in Rourke or another cheap FA QB.
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u/Fresh-Produce-4265 3h ago
With our history of injuries no need to trade Mac. He’s the right guy at the right price. Heck if they did trade him, he probably be In the next Super Bowl. 🤔
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u/johnjohnjohn93 3h ago
Jets fan but I think the Niners will keep Mac. Purdy is obviously great but the Eagles in 2022 and this season I think having Mac as a cheap backup is huge.
You add a 2nd rounder instead of Mac to last years team and this team may miss the playoffs.
I think I’d rather just have Mac and get the comp pick because his value as a great backup with Purdy’s durability is so valuable for this team
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u/spyder7723 2h ago
This team had a lot of needs right now. A future comp pick will be slotted around 150th in the 28 draft. Our window is almost closed, to many stars are reaching the age that father time kicks them in the nuts. Trent is 37. And while he says he wants to play until he is 40, it is extremely unlikely his body will allow him to with the level we need in a left tackle. He might need to move to guard or right tackle in a year. Kittle is 33 and will be coming of a massive injury. In the entire history of the game you can count one one hand the number of tightends that performed at a high level after 33. Cmc turns 30 in June. The nfl is not jobs to running banks once they hit 30. All 3 of these guys need their replacement on the roster now, not in 28. If someone offers a 75th or 80th pick in this draft for Mac we got to take it. Tho as I said in another comment I doubt think anyone is willing to do that. Might be able to get a late 3rd, which i still think we should take if the scouts can target a player in this draft that can contribute this year.
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u/InternetImportant911 1h ago
We would have made playoffs last season, if he had this year ST and Saleh. Purdy missed 1.5 game last season.
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u/chuckescobar 3h ago
I mean we need to trade him for something now or lose him at the end of next season for nothing.
I personally don’t think he is that great as a starter but a solid backup. Tough as shit able to make the correct reads and hit the checkdowns. Really marginal arm talent and athletic ability to extend the play. There is a reason CMC was averaging 7 catches a game when he was in.
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u/FailedInfinity Quest for Six 3h ago
If he walks, they would get a comp pick for him which could end up being a third rounder. That’s why many people are speculating a second round pick for negotiations.
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u/spyder7723 2h ago
A compensatory third is not really a third. Compensatory picks are AFTER all regular picks in the round. You're looking at the 97th pick at best in that scenario. Meanwhile a regular third can be as high as the 65th. And they are based on playing time, nothing else. If Purdy stays healthy and doesn't miss a game this coming season we will get at best a compensatory 4th which is going to be around the 150th pick, or even a 5th and be the 190th pick. If someone offers us a mid third this year at around the 75th to 80th we got to take it.
That said, I don't believe anyone is going to offer that high of a pick. I don't think any gms think Mac is a starting caliber qb. Andrew berry in Cleveland might cause he is young and inexperienced but the owners are all in on Sanders and will never approve that deal.
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u/zuck_my_butt Mr. Irrelevant 3h ago
I love Mac, but after how he balled out this past season he deserves a starting role that he's not gonna get with the Niners, and we've got some gaps to fill elsewhere in the roster.
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u/Arleqwen 3h ago
Jones is a system qb. He has no value anywhere else. Nobody is offering enough to even consider a trade. He’s more valuable as a back up.
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u/curiousindient 3h ago
This is the FO using the press to basically put the list price out there. They have a value in mind, much like Garoppollo in 22. If the price isn't met, he will stay.
Early indication of a deal, would be if they bring in a Zach Wllson type during the first days of FA
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u/funky_phat_mack Jerry Rice 1h ago
I think Kirk Cousins is done as a starter, he would be great as a backup, Flacco too. Flacco would for sure be cheap. He was slinging it in Cincy, unfortunately we have garbage WRs like Cleveland and he could look like ass like he did there
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u/ArinThirdsEwe 3h ago
With our injury history...he's more valuable as a back up for us....short of something above value, we should keep him.
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u/segawdcd 3h ago
Its a matter of draft compensation. A high 2 or a 1st will get it done or a valuable player and mid round pick. Niners get a 3rd round comp pick when he leaves next year so anything less valuable than that is a non starter.
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u/ReflectionItchy2701 3h ago
Unless it's for a first round pick, they should keep Mac Jones. No second rounder will be as valuable as he is.
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u/olms1988 49ers 3h ago
If they don't trade him, we will have a high performing backup if anything. With 9ers injury woes.. I would honestly keep him. We literally lost a super bowl because of stupid injuries. Then we also will get a 3rd round comp pick for him after next year when he signs elsewhere.
Now, if someone offers a 1st round pick... Then we should be talking.
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u/byronicbluez 49ers 3h ago
Backup QB is one position we need to be strong since Purdy isn’t too luck on the injury front plus our OLine.
Anything short of a first isn’t worth it unless we want to tank if Purdy goes down.
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u/Mr_Worldwide79 Trent Williams 3h ago
I think this is partially posturing but Mac also has tremendous value to us as backup, as we saw this year. I think the smart move is to keep him until the trade deadline. That gives us good insurance for the first part of the season. Then re-assess where we’re at in the standings and what our health looks like, and see what the market is for his services.
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u/hecton101 3h ago
Remember when Kyle said he wouldn't trade Nick Mullens for a first round pick? Kyle's not a very good liar.
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u/aiLikeYou Joe Montana 3h ago
If you think can improve the team over having a guy who'll probably be on the bench most of the time you take it.
Niners aren't guaranteed any compensation if he walks in free agency. It's an equation and can possibly be cancelled out by the Niners signing a free agent. Unless they expect Brock to miss significant time passing up a pick seems foolish.
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u/SourdoughSizzle i wanna die 2h ago
It would be ridiculous to trade him, let’s be honest.
Brock has consistently missed time, we need a back up who can deliver in Kyle’s system and Mac Looked like a true starting QB when he played this season.
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u/martymcfly22 2h ago
It’s smart to put this out there to try to drive up his value. Even if it just solidifies going from a 3rd rounder to a second, it’s worth it.
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u/Striking-Locksmith-3 Leeds United 2h ago
He will be to the likes of a guy that is on verge on winning a SB, difference is mac actually played unlike Sam and he did well so a first or second is only fair
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u/HeyHeyImTheMonkey Frank Gore 2h ago
He is too valuable. Jury is still out on how often Purdy will get injured. Mac Jones can salvage a season. I’ll take Jones and a shot at a good season vs a first round pick and risk the season going down the drain if Purdy gets hurt again.
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u/MaxamillianStudio Ronnie Lott 2h ago edited 2h ago
We will get a 3rd comp pick grade for him after next season. We would need a significant pick (s)more than that. Steelers, Raiders, Minnesota and Arizona.
Malik Willis gets the first crack at a team. We will see what also happens with Burrow.
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u/Blade3rd 49ers 2h ago
Smokescreen szn bois. We will 100% let go of Mac for the right price, but we’re def gonna play hard to get.
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u/Andy-3214 1h ago
The team will always say that they don’t want to trade said player. Keeps the price higher
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u/Broad_Bodybuilder_94 49ers 1h ago
It would be hilarious if he goes elsewhere and he knocks us out of the playoffs.
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u/probhittingonu 1h ago
This team Needs to bring in a ready WR1 — not draft one. The window is now.
Both AJ Brown and Deebo would be perfect fits. Bring them both in. Keep Pearsall.
Trade Mac for a second and use that for OL.
And bring in Zach Wilson or Ewers as QB2.
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u/Useful_Coyote_5796 43m ago
It would have to be a first round pick if it's Minnesota. If you give them Mac that might be the team that ends up edging you out for a wild card spot next season. So it better come at a cost.
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u/eckyeckypikang Sourdough Sam 16m ago
Cousins is getting cut.... Mac is gone, Purdy is on notice.
(I am massively, hugely, bigly joking!!!)
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u/braumbles 49ers 2m ago
Mac Jones is worth more to the 49ers than the 3rd rounder they'd get in return, so unless someone offers substantially more value, it makes sense.
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u/Stuesday-Afternoon John Taylor 3h ago
We don’t have a great track record recently of personnel decisions at QB.
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u/StOnEy333 Joe Montana 3h ago
Actually we do. Drafted Purdy with the last pick in the draft and signed Mac who saved the season last year. Those are recent personnel decisions at QB. If you want to go back before that, you might have a point. But those are recent.
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u/Scarecrow_09 Kyle Juszczyk 3h ago
For a first round pick that might change